O299 - dh's mafia game of fun amazingness, for real (gaem)

[Nobody Special]

Sadly, Reality has reared its ugly head.

@Mod: Please replace me.

[Thor665]

1. LOL

??

Defending an RVS wagon by the time people are starting to make scum/town calls is lolworthy, because at the very least you should be doing something to get yourself into a point where you are making town/scum reads. Failure to do so doesn't help town and looks scummy. Hence - LOL.

and what?

And draw some conclusions now that you know I called him a town read. IIoA isn't a town tell y'know.

its an rvs vote. not sure what you do with yours, but i am sufficiently satisfied with the game state at the moment. if

you

want to pressure ddd then join the wagon...

Herp - DDDP is a town read - derp.
I use my RVS to get reactions and catch scum. You apparently use it as justification for doing nothing with your vote. Whassup wit dat?

it would help if you phrase your answers in the form of answers. making them questions is not helpful to the communication atmosphere.

Seriously dude? It's called restating the question. Since I quite

literally

followed this restatement by answering the question and you quoted and responded to that answer the purpose of this was...???

my bad. i thought you were voting sparx.

No. And just in case you missed it I've also called DDDP and ThAdmiral town. I've called Jakalope, Sparx, and Elsa scum. And now I'm calling you scum based simply on a policy lynch decision. You're not helping town, so I'd be fine with you being dead at this stage as at least an alignment flip might serve a purpose. You can go just a skintch above Jak and Sparx on my scum list. Say hi to them when you get there.

not "obvscum". i thought the fact that i was inquiring as to "whats with the sparx wagon?" was kind of a giveaway that i didn't get it. i'll try to be more clear for you.

Okay...so now that the SParx wagon has been explained to you how about you react to it now as opposed to giving me a past tense answer. Do you find the wagon good/bad/burrito/what? What do you like about it, what do you hate. Go for the gold and comment on how other people are reacting to it too if you feel ambitious.

And get your vote off DDDP unless you are honestly calling him scummiest person in thread. If you want to keep your vote on him, claim that as so and offer whatever evidence you have (maybe at least assault other wagons as to why they aren't scummy/good). He's posted multiple times since you voted him without responding to that vote which proves the vote is about as useful as a one-legged man in the butt-kicking contest and looks like you're basically sidelining both your opinion and your vote.

[DemonHybrid]

Nobody Special requests replacement.

[ThAdmiral]

Guys, let's devolve in to quote-pyramid arguments!

Anyway, thor, if you are pushing the sparx wagon so much why don't you jump on it?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Incidentally, I think VCA is junk analysis and no more reliable than taking a diving rod, pointing it at the screen and letting it point to scum posts. Just as a for example, the last time I was scum we were all on the first lynch and all three of us within four spaces of each other. I have yet to see evidence that it work any more successfully than random chance.

[don_johnson]

Defending an RVS wagon by the time people are starting to make scum/town calls is lolworthy, because at the very least you should be doing something to get yourself into a point where you are making town/scum reads. Failure to do so doesn't help town and looks scummy. Hence - LOL.

i don't recall "defending" an rvs wagon. what i do with myself is my business. i don't feel like i've "failed" at anything.

and what?

And draw some conclusions now that you know I called him a town read. IIoA isn't a town tell y'know.

ok. i conclude that you are an overzealous douchebag.

its an rvs vote. not sure what you do with yours, but i am sufficiently satisfied with the game state at the moment. if

you

want to pressure ddd then join the wagon...

Herp - DDDP is a town read - derp.
I use my RVS to get reactions and catch scum. You apparently use it as justification for doing nothing with your vote. Whassup wit dat?

really? your rvs vote was on jakalope. then you moved it to iam without reason. what exactly did you accomplish with this? i already explained how i felt about rvs. i find it to be a better scumhunting tool in hindsight after a couple flips have occurred. going back and reading interactions is more helpful than trying to "catch scum" with an rvs vote.

Seriously dude? It's called restating the question. Since I quite

literally

followed this restatement by answering the question and you quoted and responded to that answer the purpose of this was...???

again, you make no sense. not sure what you are getting at here.

my bad. i thought you were voting sparx.

No. And just in case you missed it I've also called DDDP and ThAdmiral town. I've called Jakalope, Sparx, and Elsa scum. And now I'm calling you scum based simply on a policy lynch decision. You're not helping town, so I'd be fine with you being dead at this stage as at least an alignment flip might serve a purpose. You can go just a skintch above Jak and Sparx on my scum list. Say hi to them when you get there.

ok. you have called ddd town. which is entirely consistent with my "policy" regarding him. but whatever.

Okay...so now that the SParx wagon has been explained to you how about you react to it now as opposed to giving me a past tense answer. Do you find the wagon good/bad/burrito/what? What do you like about it, what do you hate. Go for the gold and comment on how other people are reacting to it too if you feel ambitious.

burrito. i like that it exists. i hate that i don't get it. i haven't noticed anything peculiar about the reactions to it. if she flips scum then i guess you could point to the players avoiding it as possible scum partners. kind of difficult to analyze on page 4 though.

And get your vote off DDDP unless you are honestly calling him scummiest person in thread.

thats silly. firstly, you're not the boss of me. second, calling him "scummy" in any way would completely contradict the "policy" to which my vote subscribes. oh mighty god of thunder, simmer down please.

If you want to keep your vote on him, claim that as so and offer whatever evidence you have (maybe at least assault other wagons as to why they aren't scummy/good). He's posted multiple times since you voted him without responding to that vote which proves the vote is about as useful as a one-legged man in the butt-kicking contest and looks like you're basically sidelining both your opinion and your vote.

this is a vicious attack on the handi-capped.

mod: requesting modkill on thor for insensitive comments regarding the physically disabled.

[DemonHybrid]

Seeing as how I'd pay to see something like that, request denied.

(No; it breaks no rule.)

[Thor665]

Anyway, thor, if you are pushing the sparx wagon so much why don't you jump on it?

Um...well;

1. Because I have a stronger scum read on Elsa.
2. Because my strongest scum read supports that wagon.
3. Because part of the support for the Sparx wagon comes from a theory about chkflip also being scum and I have a townish read on him.

I'm not fully against the Sparx wagon, and he is in my second tier suspects. But I'm not likely to go over there unless the Elsa wagon becomes dead in the water or I get a flash of town energy for her. Do you see some brilliant reason I should shift? I don't see Sparx as any more functional at a strategic level.

@don - the douchebag comment was uncalled for and strikes me as more personal than game related, which is uncool. The rest mostly doesn't seem worth replying to - you can stay on the scum list for the nonce. I look forward to you doing any scumhunting whatsoever and proving me wrong. Give me a call when it happens. Until then I'll keep mentioning you as a viable lynch every page or two.

[DemonHybrid]

TheJakalope prodded.

[TheJakalope]

Ok, I'm going to share my thoughts on most of the people right now. I'm getting a town read from Thor and DDP. I'm getting a null read from ThAdmiral, chxflp, and Elsa. I'm getting a Null-to-scum read from Sparx. I'm getting a Scum read from don_johnson. Everyone else hasn't posted much for me to get a read from.

I know I've been saying I'm going to do things, and not following through, but I'm doing my best, sorry. I plan to do an ISO on don, either in a few hours, or tomorrow.

[Elsa von Spielburg]

ok. you have called ddd town. which is entirely consistent with my "policy" regarding him. but whatever.

Okay, now that we've slipped out of the RVS, I'm going to have to go back on what I said about your policy lynch. I was okay with that being a BS reason for "LOL RVS Vote," but actually sticking with that vote when there's plenty of content now is a horrible, horrible reason to vote for someone. Isn't "Too Townie" one of this game's basic a fallacies?

Also, note that Sparx has dropped his vote on me then contributed nothing of value after. Lazy scum is trying to ride out the biggest opposing wagon by just going "I agree with Thor".

[Quaroath]

The question posed was: "Who is scum and why?" as opposed to "Who do you think is scum?" or "who is scummy?" Far too direct language for my liking.

And heck, the 4th vote on an early wagon is as good of a reason as any at this point in time, so my vote stands.

Yuck. What chk meant was obvious, or should have been. Way to overcomplicate it, and avoid the question.

My answer is Elsa - Elsa and TheJakalope.

Reason for Elsa - 'woe is me' post after having some votes on her. As though ending the RVS ever doesn't involve either starting a wagon on somebody or on yourself.

Reason for Jakalope - avoidance on commenting on anything worthwhile, he just looks too buddy buddy to Elsa, and despite his interpretation of chk's question he declines to answer it.

KA-POW!!!

That's 5 votes, right? In that, Sparx distances himself immediately from chkflip when DDD brings those two up. Sparx throws some vague suspicion chkflip's way (leaves his options open) and jumps on the biggest, most obvious wagon. Best reason for me to vote so far.

Unvote; Vote: Sparx

Sparx, what post of mine are you referring to as "defensive mode"? I'd like to know.

Good post.

chkflip is quite obviously scum with Sparx; see how he sprints away from that vote to kill the wagon at first opportunity. This game is too easy sometimes.

unvote:DDDP
Vote:Elsa

I am with Thor on Elsa. She seemed to jump quickly to defensive mode.

BUUUUUT

I am I think chkflp is still to be suspected.

This game is too easy sometimes.

KA-POW-POW!

I am with Thor on Elsa. She seemed to jump quickly to defensive mode.

I'm not so sure about this any more. I don't think she really was too defensive or "woe is me" on reread.

unvote

I like the sparx wagon though.

vote: sparx

Me 2!

Elsa, you took chkflip's comment personally. That comments was directed towards everyone. I thought I explained my reasoning in my previous post.

My apologies.

Didn’t look directed at everyone.

Apologizing is something scum do a lot of.
I like Thor and Don going at each other. MOR PLZ, MAKES ME LAFF!

Guys, let's devolve in to quote-pyramid arguments!

Anyway, thor, if you are pushing the sparx wagon so much why don't you jump on it?

I AM SO THERE!!!!

Anyways, the sparx wagon seems really good. His vote on elsa was very opportunistic, an I don't eally get a scum feel from Elsa

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SparX

CHOO CHOO!!

L-2, sparks is in the lead!

[TheJakalope]

Well at this point as if it's between an Elsa wagon or a Sparx wagon, and I find Sparx wagon much more logical right now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sparx

That's L-1, no one hammer until he gets a chance to defend himself and maybe claim.

[Quaroath]

Well at this point as if it's between an Elsa wagon or a Sparx wagon, and I find Sparx wagon much more logical right now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sparx

That's L-1, no one hammer until he gets a chance to defend himself and maybe claim.

Ooh someone took the bait, and

GUESS WHAT!!!

it's the person I thought would!
UNVOTE:
VOTE: TheJackalope

Too early in the day to be between else and sparx. Way to put the hook in your own cheek. This vote is scumtastic.

[TheJakalope]

Well at this point as if it's between an Elsa wagon or a Sparx wagon, and I find Sparx wagon much more logical right now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sparx

That's L-1, no one hammer until he gets a chance to defend himself and maybe claim.

Ooh someone took the bait, and

GUESS WHAT!!!

it's the person I thought would!
UNVOTE:
VOTE: TheJackalope

Too early in the day to be between else and sparx. Way to put the hook in your own cheek. This vote is scumtastic.

How is it scumtastic? I suppose I didn't supply my reasons, but if you look over the last 2 or 3 pages, you can see many reasons provided. I just find it redundant to repeat things that a couple people have already said.

[Quaroath]

Well at this point as if it's between an Elsa wagon or a Sparx wagon, and I find Sparx wagon much more logical right now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sparx

That's L-1, no one hammer until he gets a chance to defend himself and maybe claim.

Ooh someone took the bait, and

GUESS WHAT!!!

it's the person I thought would!
UNVOTE:
VOTE: TheJackalope

Too early in the day to be between else and sparx. Way to put the hook in your own cheek. This vote is scumtastic.

How is it scumtastic? I suppose I didn't supply my reasons, but if you look over the last 2 or 3 pages, you can see many reasons provided. I just find it redundant to repeat things that a couple people have already said.

Or you know, you just want to push a mis-lynch without putting your own thoughts and stances out, allowing you to weasel out of it. Oh yeah, you are saying with over a week left to deadline, "well if it's Else of Sparx, Sparx it is!". That and the wording of "Well at this point as if it's between an Elsa wagon or a Sparx wagon, and I find Sparx wagon much more logical right now." to be wafflish as all hell. And it's scummily phrased for this point in the day. You are lightly suggesting that these two ARE the two lynch possibilities.

[TheJakalope]

Ok, I'm going to share my thoughts on most of the people right now. I'm getting a town read from Thor and DDP. I'm getting a null read from ThAdmiral, chxflp, don_johnson and Elsa. I'm getting a Null-to-scum read from Sparx. Everyone else hasn't posted much for me to get a read from.

I'd like everyone to disregard everything in my previous post except for what I left in the quote above. I mixed up don_johnson's posts from this game with his posts from another game, completely sorry.

Preview Edit: At this point sparx is the best lynch possibility IMO. Many other people have found cases on Elsa that I don't agree with, but there is definitely a group that believes Elsa is scum. Besides your newfound case on me, are there any 2 that seem scummier

to you

? Fair, there is over a week left and I didn't realize it, and if it wasn't for you unvoting, I would unvote , but I do want to keep some pressure on him to defend/explain himself.

[Quaroath]

Ok, I'm going to share my thoughts on most of the people right now. I'm getting a town read from Thor and DDP. I'm getting a null read from ThAdmiral, chxflp, don_johnson and Elsa. I'm getting a Null-to-scum read from Sparx. Everyone else hasn't posted much for me to get a read from.

I'd like everyone to disregard everything in my previous post except for what I left in the quote above. I mixed up don_johnson's posts from this game with his posts from another game, completely sorry.

Preview Edit: At this point sparx is the best lynch possibility IMO. Many other people have found cases on Elsa that I don't agree with, but there is definitely a group that believes Elsa is scum. Besides your newfound case on me, are there any 2 that seem scummier

to you

? Fair, there is over a week left and I didn't realize it, and if it wasn't for you unvoting, I would unvote , but I do want to keep some pressure on him to defend/explain himself.

Honestly, nope. just really don't like what you did with 9 days to deadline and the tone of the post.

FYI



!!!

[iamausername]

Quaroath, stop being dumb. It doesn't matter how many days there are left to deadline, Sparx is scum and should be lynched. We don't need to wait another 9 days just because that option is available. We can lynch Sparx right now and still have time for tea and biscuits.

Jakalope, what's the difference between a null read and no read?

[DemonHybrid]

VOTE COUNT

Day 1 Vote Count (#4)

Sparx - 5 (iamausername, Debonair Danny Dipietro, Elsa von Spielburg, ThAdmiral, TheJakalope) L-2
Elsa von Spielburg - 4 (Nobody Special, Thor665, chkflip, Sparx) L-3
Debonair Danny Dipietro - 1 (don_johnson)
TheJakalope - 1 (Quaroath)

Not voting - 1 (Cmpukahi)

The deadline for Day 1 is April 23rd, 6:00 PM EDT. With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch and 6 to No Lynch.

[Quaroath]

Quaroath, stop being dumb. It doesn't matter how many days there are left to deadline, Sparx is scum and should be lynched. We don't need to wait another 9 days just because that option is available. We can lynch Sparx right now and still have time for tea and biscuits.

Jakalope, what's the difference between a null read and no read?

It's hard to not let the dumb out. I'm also pretty wired and in a whacky-fun type mood. If you really want to craziness to stop fine. Some of you hav eplayed with me before and know it's not how I normally am. Grain of salt, etc. Trying to expand my gameplay style.

aka: Been reading Guillotine mafia, GreyICE, VP Baltar, Fate, and a few other guys are not good for you in large doses.

I have no real issue with the sparx wagon. I think he's probably the best lynch right for the day. There were things in Jacalopes early play I didn't like, so when he put sparx at L-1 I baited him for a reaction. I was't kidding when I said I thought he'd be the L-1 vote. I was more interested in drawing a reaction by overreacting to the vote.

I got one, and I'm satisfied with him right now.

I'm a big big believer in not rushing a deadline. Anything before a week before the deadline is a rush too me. Yes I know you feel differently. I have a right to my opinion.

[Quaroath]

Oh yeah since you know, yadda yadda, reaction yadda

unvote:vote Sparx

lol@self

L-1, i just did what I crapped on Jakalope for.

[ThAdmiral]

I'm not fully against the Sparx wagon, and he is in my second tier suspects. But I'm not likely to go over there unless the Elsa wagon becomes dead in the water or I get a flash of town energy for her. Do you see some brilliant reason I should shift? I don't see Sparx as any more functional at a strategic level.

*shrugs*
Seemed like you were more for it than you actually are.

Ok, I'm going to share my thoughts on most of the people right now. I'm getting a town read from Thor and DDP. I'm getting a null read from ThAdmiral, chxflp, and Elsa. I'm getting a Null-to-scum read from Sparx. I'm getting a Scum read from don_johnson. Everyone else hasn't posted much for me to get a read from.

Dude! If you have a scum read on someone

vote them

!

Well at this point as if it's between an Elsa wagon or a Sparx wagon, and I find Sparx wagon much more logical right now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sparx

That's L-1, no one hammer until he gets a chance to defend himself and maybe claim.

Now you are voting your "null-to-scum" over your "scum read".

vote: jackalope

[ThAdmiral]

Oh yeah since you know, yadda yadda, reaction yadda

unvote:vote Sparx

lol@self

L-1, i just did what I crapped on Jakalope for.

You're on drugs aren't you?



(not that there's anything wrong with that )

[Quaroath]

Oh yeah since you know, yadda yadda, reaction yadda

unvote:vote Sparx

lol@self

L-1, i just did what I crapped on Jakalope for.

You're on drugs aren't you?



(not that there's anything wrong with that )

No but I probably should be.

Seriously, don't read a game with Fate, GREYIce, AGM, and VBP. it screws with your head having so many ragers.