Newbie 1116 -- Game Over

[Nobody Special]

Wait.

You were upset?

I had

no

idea.

[VisceraEyes]

Thanks for going the extra mile to ensure that we had, in fact, derped n2 (n3? JESUS this was a long game...) NS...you're a good host.

[The Fonz]

That was NOT a gambit.

Cymru didn't send in the kill. I couldn't because of the fear of a Jailkeeper and my early d2 hammer. -.- If you get a look at the QT, you'll see that our PLAN for d3 was....very different from what happened.

I was going to say... if it were a gambit, it were incredibly ballsy, and incredibly dangerous considering there would be at least two players out there they couldn't have rolecopped. But it makes a ton of sense as a save tactic, since Viscera was pretty much number one on the likely to be lynched list as a result of him throwing everything under the sun at Zach for hammering Cobbler 'prematurely' then doing the same to BigAl. But man... you just don't expect scum to be that incompetent.

[VisceraEyes]

I was as surprised as you guys. Our plan was PERFECT....HAD there been a NK. lmao

[The Fonz]

Having read it, actually, VE, your plan completely sucked balls. There is no way, like literally none, that anyone would have believed that a cop got a guilty n1 and then not only didn't announce it, but voted for the wagon pushed by the supposed guilty. That plan was beyond stupid. Pretty much the only way it could have worked is if people assumed that it was so dumb, it must be a bus or something.

[Zachrulez]

I'm just annoyed about how close I was to the scum before I decided to flush it all away on day 3.

[VisceraEyes]

Nonono...the plan revolved around not getting a guilty until n3...that he checked you n1, innocent, checked me n2, innocent and checked Workdawg n3 and got a guilty.

[VisceraEyes]

I know it reads differently because the guilty changed after I'd thought about it for a minute...but the n3 guilty was supposed to be Workdawg. At any rate, it's all speculation because that's not what happened. What happened was I fucking SMOKED you. I kid I kid...you and Zach are WAY better than me...I just lucked into some really good posts from the rest of town (for us)

[cymru96]

It's fair to say that I need more newbie games!

I screwed up loads so fair play to VE for saving my ass.

[cymru96]

So can

[cymru96]

So can I join the newbie queue as a newbie again?

[Zachrulez]

You can if this was your first game. If you've played another game, you can in to the queue as an SE.

[bigAl]

Bah, I played terribly, sorry town. VE sure had me convinced though - and I only started to suspect cy near the end. A deserved win.

[Grimmjow]

Bull. Shit. The most inopportune time ever. Of course this game would end like this when I have been moving/working/packing/unpacking/had no internet. I hate you, Viscera. I hate you, sir. (Just kidding. But not really. But really I am.)

Anyway, I have to go back and read D3 since I didn't get the opportunity to until game over.

I thought for sure I was going to get lynched D3 for "lurking." But it was legit. I just had shit to do and no internet.

Bullshit, sir.

[Grimmjow]

*facepalm*

What.

Ok, I stepped back from the knowledge that Cy and VE were scum, and re-read D3. If I had internet, I would have picked them out immediately, and made sure that VE was lynched today and Cy tomorrow.

I also just read the Maf QT... VE, you thought I was a PR? lulz

[VisceraEyes]

I had toyed with the notion, but you were playing pretty solid vanilla. And no, in the end the only reason I considered it even possible was because I claimed and you still voted me. By N3 it was pretty obvious it was just me and cym and a bunch of vanilla townies.

GG sir. We'll play again.

[Tomie Uzumaki]

Congrats to Viscera and Cymru. It's a shame that nobody saw the connection between them
More detailed post to follow later on.

[Workdawg]

FUCK

You were solo scummy ve, how souls the rest not see it? Great gambit though. Gg

[Workdawg]

Wow, my phone autocorrect slaughtered that last post. I think you get the gist of it though.

[cymru96]

Adios amigos. Good game. I've replaced into a day 1 newbie game so this is me signing out from this game. Hope to play with y'all again.

[Workdawg]

I was just pondering this game again... kicking myself for letting VE pwn us like that when I remembered this draft I had saved... dated July 12

God damn it.

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VE and Cym

Post 67 - Coaching about switching votes... meh
post 85 & 93 - reaction to Cym's "scum slip"... as MissJJ mentioned, seems a bit like coaching here too. Why would you hope he doesn't make a scum slip? You should be hoping he DOES.
VE votes for Cym twice (156, 460) - Both times he gets a typical response from cym, and then unvotes within 24 hours. Cym doesn't really defend himself in either case, but VE unvotes anyway. Smells like he's just prodding his scumbuddy.
Post 700 - coaching

The wagons

Cym joins my wagon and then VE jumps off. Cym then starts talking about how he's going to hammer, but he never joins cobbler's wagon (I already posted my thoughts on this). As a team, are they REALLY trying to avoid being on the same wagon? Why did VE abandon my wagon in favor of cobbler's right after cym joined it? I know Zach's post and vote against VE occurred, but cym had just evened out the wagons to 3-3.

[VisceraEyes]

OMG Workdawg that was EXACTLY the post I feared, but never came. LMAO

Dude, that's hilarious. If you'd have posted that, I honestly don't know how I would have responded, because that's EXACTLY what was happening.

[VisceraEyes]

/confirm

This is a good read. But please keep in mind I'm on page 9. Reads so far:

PAGE 9 READS

TOWN
VE (If you are scum you deserve to win for working so hard.)
Workdawg (A voice of reason.)
Cymru (Newbie. But not scum.)

SCUM
Miss JJ (Overly defensive even in passing:)

And then there's the game with me - sure, I was mafia but that alone is no reason to think I am in this game.

PROBABLY TOWN BUT MY PARANOIA WILL ALLOW ME TO COMPROMISE FOR THEIR LYNCH TODAY
BigAl
Grimmjow

EVERYONE ELSE
I haven't gotten to where you're in the game yet.

Just finished my read.

TOWN
VE
Grimmjow
Bluepokemon (Officially takes my one "sympathetic newbie" slot from Cymru.)
Tomie (But this is my least solid.)

LESS SURE OF NOW
Workdawg (Tomie couldn't have put it better and it's the reason I think she's town.)
Cymru (My opinion has changed completely especially with his lack of activity. Plus I realized the AtE just now.)
Miss JJ
BigAl

(Oops, hit submit instead of preview. To continue my previous paragraph) I wonder if a Grimmjow/Workdawg scumteam would be too obvious/dangerous a play. Were I scum, I would separate myself from my partner more, but with such an inactive town, they probably could nearly pull it off. Kill VE today, me tonight and they would be the only ones voting tomorrow...

Maybe I'm getting paranoid

I don't like it. Call it gut.

I also have a gut feeling. Doesn't help that the IC in my newbie game ended up being scum. Bolded is mine for emphasis. I understand that an IC is just an experienced player is human like anyone else, but I don't that part one bit. IGMEOU

I want to wait for Miss JJ's replacement if she gets one before voting her. I'm willing to lynch anyone my bottom list.

Blue is still looking suspicious to me, because after all that he still doesn't seem to have any real thoughts on anything. He's posted up an extremely vague list of "prime suspects" but it consists of everyone who didn't post during that chatfest. I guess that means if you post a lot, you aren't scum?

If that's the case he's learning pretty quickly, I'd say. Lynch all lurkers and all that jazz.

Grimm and VE still seems like town on town to me. They're getting along better, so that's good I guess. FWIW, my initial vote on VE was a pressure vote, and when he flipped his shit, it didn't help AT ALL. Am I convinced he's scum, no. Do I still think there is a chance he is, sure. I don't like my vote sitting idle on no one though, so it stays where it is for now.

*my computer is now awashed in a mist of orange juice*

What? You do realize how suspicious that sounds don't you?

Welcome cobbler

Thank you. This is the first time I've replaced in and the first time I'm not a complete wreck of nerves.

Now, more in-depth thoughts after I've had a while to simmer them over:

BigAl

Seems to be wary of using IC things to get town cred, putting "but that would be WIFOM" every third post.[/hyperbole]
This sounds like IC-scum that doesn't want to get in trouble, and if it wasn't for the not knowing how the QTs work to balance it out I'd have him as a total scumread.

Miss JJ

Yeah, ain't got much to say. Seems to be going for the "easy pickings" of Cymru, plus the apparent overdefensiveness. Even though she wasn't

actively

defending herself that quote of hers in my first post rings alarm bells.

Cymru

Yeah, hard to read. But lurking more often after getting attention is not a good sign, if nullish.

but also because town shouldn't want to know if they exist or not.

But, I never said that they should reveal themselves. EVER. That wasn't even what the disclaimer was about. It was about who I think they should target. I think bigAl is the best investigative and imprison choice. Why? Because he's the IC and people seem to not be trusting him because he seems suspicious, but they also don't seem to be that keen on lynching him because he's the IC. Therefore, no matter what read the Cop gets, if there is one, it's a win-win. The problem would of course be how the cop is supposed to communicate an innocent result. sigh. If the cop ever gets a guilty they should of course vote for the guilty party. And maybe, claim depending on how surprising the result is.


Does anyone else think Workdawg's vote is oppurtunistic? He was defending Cymru earlier but now he votes for him after Cymru gets three FoS and one vote.

No pressure or anything....le sigh

Towniest townie that ever towned a town!

So yeah, I've been reading through ISO's and while I do believe I now more fully understand everybody's positions, it hasn't given me any additional leads on scum. It has given me a headache though. I've read:
Miss JJ + The ISO's of her previous games (Just now)
Workdawg (just now)
Tomie (just now)
Cymru (earlier)

I'll reread bigAl's later.

Okay everyone, please open your textbooks (spoiler) and note the differences in tone from the posts I've quoted and the posts in this game. Cobbler was town in this game, but due to his poor logic I was able to get him lynched d2. In Newbie1116, he was unafraid to give his reads (that is, until his neck was in a noose...that tends to frighten even the most bold townies,) and was very actively trying to hunt scum the whole game. In this game he's been content to just sheep behind his 'town reads' and go with the flow.

Cobbler is obvScum to me guys, and based on A) my case and B) meta, he should be obvScum to you too.

And, as I stated, there WILL be punch and pie.

[VisceraEyes]

Whoops. lol

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

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