Mini 1195: The Beehive Mystery (GAME OVER)

[Captain Spoon]

RVS has ended (which I never said it hadn't). You should still have a vote

which part of you should nearly always have a vote do you not understand? Have your migraines addled your thinking again?

and I have an excellent point to make but I can't make it yet until Acro posts

[SleepyKrew]

It's RVS

and there is nothing more useless than an unused vote. You don't need a solid scumread yet. In fact, not voting is anti-town.
VOTE: Acro

[SleepyKrew]

It was page 2 ; RVS wasn't over then

[Captain Spoon]

that was the this is now

and it doesn't matter anyways. My point as that not voting is inherantly anti-town

I have a conclusion to make but I need an Acro post first

[SleepyKrew]

I'm talking about the that was then. You scum, Spoon?

[subgenius]

@Sungenius: Do you still like your Beck vote? I feel like pressure on him will get us no further and his joking was probably more town in hindsight. I can't see scum wanting to draw attention to themselves unless it's for a pro- town reason. What do you think of Acro?

No, my vote is still on Beck because I haven't decided on a better place to put it at the moment.

What do I think about Acro? Well, I had to pull up his ISO to even remember what he had posted, and that's because he's made four posts with no information except that he doesn't want to vote yet. His only questions to others have been about Beck's previous mafia experience and a request for clarification from confid about his vote, which seems like a defensive move rather than an attempt to put pressure on Confid. In short, he's posting, but has avoided voting or letting any opinions be known. I can excuse a refusal to vote if a player compensates by actively pressuring players through pointed questions and provides interesting analysis, but Acro is not doing this.

You thinking Yank was scum until post 49. Why the sudden change?

I thought I explained myself pretty fully in Post 53. Prior to Post 49, I read Yank as fence sitting and hesitant to state firm opinions, which I consider scummy. In post 49, he came out of his shell a bit and took a firm stand. I don't think it was necessarily a good one, but I don't think it was a scummy one either. It looked like a jumpy newbie defense, which lessened my suspicions of Yank.

@CS
RVS is OVER. Acro did the right thing not slapping on a vote.
+5

I find Sleepy's support of Acro's refusal to vote a bit strange. I wouldn't vote someone for refusing to vote, but neither would I argue that it is a good move, and I certainly wouldn't assign someone "vollkan points"© for calling someone out for refusing to vote.

A trait I've noticed in various mafia games throughout the interwebs is that scum, more specifically newer scum, tend to want to make sure that everyone knows why they are doing what they are doing, so that they won't get suspected for it. Your [Acro's] statement seems to fall in line with that.

I find this argument plausible.

In conclusion, my vote isn't doing much on Beck, and it looks like Acro might need a few votes on him before he decides to contribute. I'm less concerned by the fact that he's not voting than the fact that he's not voting OR contributing much in other ways. This is troubling to me.

Unvote

Vote: Acronach

[Captain Spoon]

^The only winning move is not to play

Don't make me have to explain this. I've had enough explaining already with telling you what AtE is and how not voting is poor town play

[Captain Spoon]

above post was for sleepykrew

[Captain Spoon]

I find Sleepy's support of Acro's refusal to vote a bit strange. I wouldn't vote someone for refusing to vote, but neither would I argue that it is a good move, and I certainly wouldn't assign someone "vollkan points"© for calling someone out for refusing to vote.

indeed

SK's white-knighting is very suspicious regardless of Acro's alignment

[SleepyKrew]

I want to give him a chance. If he gives a shitty response, then make room for me on the badnwagon.

[Twistedspoon]

the problem is if you want to see someone's true alignment, you gotta pressure them

no point saying, "go ahead and act pro-town from now on. I'll pretend that you've done nothing suspicious"

[Captain Spoon]

the problem is if you want to see someone's true alignment, you gotta pressure them

no point saying, "go ahead and act pro-town from now on. I'll pretend that you've done nothing suspicious"

anyways, like I say, I'm waiting on an Acro post right now because I think it might indicate something else....

[SleepyKrew]

Because I disagree that it's suspicious.
PEDIT: Agreed.

[Captain Spoon]

Was not voting good play? No.

you say it's suspicious here

and do I have to call Hoopla in and get her to explain why not voting is bad indeed if I haven't stressed this point enough?

[SleepyKrew]

Bad play =!(or is it !=?) suspicious
Spoon,do you realize that you are the only one using that logic?

[Captain Spoon]

I jolly well find bad play suspicious

If you're happy to see anti-town things and keep walking head in the clouds then you're welcome to do so padré

are you seriously telling me you don't find bad play suspicious?
and I've already explained why there is no town motivation for not voting. You should always have a scummiest read and if not then slap it on anyone. Pessure is always good as it helps separate the townies from the mafioso

[SleepyKrew]

Acro is a VI. Of course he'll do anti-town things.
But I want to see him post before this convo continues.

[Captain Spoon]

what makes you say Acro is a VI?
Why didn't you mention this before when you said he had bad play? Otherwise I end up drawing the conclusion that you find him scummy >_>

you're concealing information here. Alarm bells should be ringing

[SleepyKrew]

The game I played with him. He also gets OMGUSy under pressure. How is this concealing info? Anyone can check it.

[Captain Spoon]

I'm not in the habit of checking if every player is a VI

I assume they aren't unless someone tells me so as we're not in a newbie game

The game I played with him. He also gets OMGUSy under pressure.

and was he scum?

that doesn't make him a village idiot either way

in my game with Acro I didn't find him as a VI at all.

You're white-knighting here.

[SleepyKrew]

No, he was town.
Interesting, it was the There Will Be Brawl game. He wasn't as blatant a VI as nintendoaddict, but he got pretty bad later on.
Again, if his answer is not satisfactory, I'll gladly hop on the wagon.

[Beck]

I personally don't like anything captain has been saying, he seems to be flailing a little bit.

The fact that it was pretty obvious RVS ended as soon as people reacted to my comment, he later claims it hadn't ended.

I also disagree about your comment about there not being a reason to not vote as town, I also don't like how you bring in these names of other mafia players to add credibility to that statement, because there is no way we can actually ask these people if they agree with that logic.

If you honestly believe that statement, you best find a game where these guys were town and essentially said it, right now I read it as a statement you are throwing out there to seem towny

Captain, your vote on Arco seems to make no sense at the moment but I do want to hear from him, right now i'm looking at this as a possible bussing attempt but we will see how the game progresses.

I also like the point that somebody made (can't remember who) that the jester comment definitely could have come from scum who knew I wasn't scum, and if that is the case that is one of the accidental benefits from making a statement like I did.

final note, Captain, people don't need votes on them to scum slip, there are other ways to get people to scum slip, there are other ways to scum hunt, just cause somebody isn't voting it doesn't mean they are automatically anti-town

you seem to be trying to hard to look like you are town by pointing all these things out that people at town should be doing.

Vote Captain

oh and just a note for the mod

MOD- I personally think all hydras need to out who their heads are, it's bad enough to be playing with ore than one, keeping it a secret just makes it worse

i'm running errands with the kids today, hopefully will be on later

oh and I am east coast time zone

[Captain Spoon]

I personally don't like anything captain has been saying, he seems to be flailing a little bit.

it looks that way when one has to do this tedious talking to SK

I also disagree about your comment about there not being a reason to not vote as town, I also don't like how you bring in these names of other mafia players to add credibility to that statement, because there is no way we can actually ask these people if they agree with that logic.

There is no motivation to not vote as town

that is mafia 101

The vote is the town's greatest weapon. You should know that

Captain, your vote on Arco seems to make no sense at the moment but I do want to hear from him, right now i'm looking at this as a possible bussing attempt but we will see how the game progresses.

It makes perfect sense because he's done zilch and isn't voting

what makes you say this is bussing?

I'm looking at you right now and thinking 'chainsaw'

final note, Captain, people don't need votes on them to scum slip, there are other ways to get people to scum slip, there are other ways to scum hunt, just cause somebody isn't voting it doesn't mean they are automatically anti-town

like what?

scum need pressure to make mistakes

i.e. votes

I'm trying to talk to my other head right now, but He's not here at present

[Captain Spoon]

scum need pressure to slip

this is basic mafia

[SleepyKrew]

I'm trying to talk to my other head right now, but He's not here at present

What does this have to do with anything?