Mini 1195: The Beehive Mystery (GAME OVER)
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Yeah, we're a hydra
As we're both strongly inspired by Napoleon we decided to team up for the greater good.
VOTE: beck
If you're town there was no logical motivation behind that post. If scum, then you probably should have just kept quiet or gone for miller :/
either way, this is a good wagonCaptain Corporal and Twistedspoon hydra-
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who do I know...
Sleepykrew? eh..
I've played with Marble before.
Acronach was a fun scumpartner to have until He replaced out of the game we were in. I look forward to this
and I know Confid from double day mafia
this looks set to be.... interesting
@To my other head: we can use our QT now. Fun fun fun
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I disagree with your conclusion on yank, Ivan. Though he might have been saying the obvious slightly, It's a null-tell at worst. The fact that Jesters are outlawed is Irrelevant, although why would scum point that out? Why would they want to reduce the lynch fodder?
Also, are you going to reveal your heads, or are you not in that business?Captain Corporal and Twistedspoon hydra-
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Acronach wrote:Captain Spoon wrote:
Sleepykrew? eh..
Acronach was a fun scumpartner to have until He replaced out of the game we were in. I look forward to this
you're forgetting the game you screwed up and then replaced out of.
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=17550
your fail reaction test coupled with the face that GreyIce was your replacement messed up my reads and almost screwed the town over.
it wasn't a fail reaction test. I have stern words reagrding that and I'm not going to mention it. I replaced out as soon as i saw vezok.
Besides this is a hydra. We are one
also, you should really have more to say than that. Opinion on beck's pots for example.
Beck wrote:
But that being said, the reactions it generated will prove to be useful.
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Tommy wrote:
Beck's joke seems harmless enough to me, given its timing. Captain Spoon's attack on it therefore seems a bit over the top, but I guess it helps to get some substance in early and he seems sincere.
I like to put... conviction into my RVS votes to add that extra bit of pressure. Pressure is certainly useful as scum and town have different responses to pressure
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Really can't see where Spoon's vote comes from in post 24. Certainly he isn't providing any explanation himself (care to do so, Captain?); but I like that he called Acronach for lurking, and I distrust Ivan's attempt to invoke RVS long after it's gone.
I think Beck's town at this point, so why not slap an RVS vote on Ivan. He's said 'This is a serious vote' twice now. I find that slighty odd.
Acronach wrote:because i don't have a solid scumread on anyone ATM. once i get one, i'll vote it. simple as that. not really brain surgery here.
(inb4hepullsanoppratunistic-scumandsaysi'mBeck'sscumbuddyfornotvotinghim)
I don't like this at all compadré
It's RVS and there is nothing more useless than an unused vote. You don't need a solid scumread yet. In fact, not voting is anti-town.
VOTE: Acro
Other comments:I'd have called ICE out for opportunistic wagoning, But If anything I don't find the way he's wagoned yank scummy. I mean he did the opposite of what I'd expect from scum, which would be just sheeping a vote and citing a past case. The fact that ICEninja got his own little case together is town indeed
Also, I like the path Confidanon is taking. Sharing my mindset is usually a town tell for me, and there are bigger fish to fry than Yank right now.
Early reads (note: This is just the Twistedspoon head talking. Once Captain corporal gets on the reads may change after we discuss)
Probtown
ICEninja
Confidanon
Beck
SubGenius (I like his conclusion of Yank)
Need to hear more
Marble (I like his one post though)
Tommy (I like his one post though)
Rblinker
Those who've yet to post (sleepykrew, The kool)
Slightly suspicious
Yank (marble's post is a new way of looking at the situation I didn't see before)
Ivan
Scummish
Acronach
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one more thing
@Sungenius: Do you still like your Beck vote? I feel like pressure on him will get us no further and his joking was probably more town in hindsight. I can't see scum wanting to draw attention to themselves unless it's for a pro- town reason. What do you think of Acro?Captain Corporal and Twistedspoon hydra-
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SleepyKrew wrote:@CS
RVS is OVER. Acro did the right thing not slapping on a vote.
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this is awful
voting is the town's greatest weapon
Not voting is nearly always anti-town. You shouldalwaysbe applying pressure. How else are you suspposed to make the scum slip?
FoS: Sleepykrew
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SleepyKrew wrote:You accused him of not RVSing. Why? Like I said, RVS is OVER. And he doesn't want to use his vote now, don't make him. It was only page 2.
It was page 2 ; RVS wasn't over then
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SleepyKrew wrote:
And the town motivation is he didn't have any clue who scum were. Agree t disagree?
nope
you should always vote. If you have no clue who the scum are vote your gut scum read or a random player
Having played with Papa zito, Hoopla and other veterans, one of the thing's I've been taught is that not voting anyone is near always anti-town and there is no town motivation for itCaptain Corporal and Twistedspoon hydra-
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if RVS is over then something has happened to make it so
RVS just doesn't end for no reason
the act of ending RVS usually causes you to have developed reads from RVS and thus don't need to make a random vote but can vote a scumread
in other words, RVS isn't when random votes are, but Random votes are in RVS
we only RVS at the start of a game because we have no reads at the start and when there are no developed reads then RVS is the only way to goCaptain Corporal and Twistedspoon hydra-
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RVS has ended (which I never said it hadn't). You should still have a vote
which part of you should nearly always have a vote do you not understand? Have your migraines addled your thinking again?
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subgenius wrote:
I find Sleepy's support of Acro's refusal to vote a bit strange. I wouldn't vote someone for refusing to vote, but neither would I argue that it is a good move, and I certainly wouldn't assign someone "vollkan points"© for calling someone out for refusing to vote.
indeed
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Twistedspoon wrote:the problem is if you want to see someone's true alignment, you gotta pressure them
no point saying, "go ahead and act pro-town from now on. I'll pretend that you've done nothing suspicious"
anyways, like I say, I'm waiting on an Acro post right now because I think it might indicate something else....Captain Corporal and Twistedspoon hydra-
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I jolly well find bad play suspicious
If you're happy to see anti-town things and keep walking head in the clouds then you're welcome to do so padré
are you seriously telling me you don't find bad play suspicious?
and I've already explained why there is no town motivation for not voting. You should always have a scummiest read and if not then slap it on anyone. Pessure is always good as it helps separate the townies from the mafiosoCaptain Corporal and Twistedspoon hydra-
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I'm not in the habit of checking if every player is a VI
I assume they aren't unless someone tells me so as we're not in a newbie game
SleepyKrew wrote:The game I played with him. He also gets OMGUSy under pressure.
and was he scum?
that doesn't make him a village idiot either way
in my game with Acro I didn't find him as a VI at all.
You're white-knighting here.Captain Corporal and Twistedspoon hydra-
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Beck wrote:I personally don't like anything captain has been saying, he seems to be flailing a little bit.
it looks that way when one has to do this tedious talking to SKBeck wrote:
I also disagree about your comment about there not being a reason to not vote as town, I also don't like how you bring in these names of other mafia players to add credibility to that statement, because there is no way we can actually ask these people if they agree with that logic.
There is no motivation to not vote as town
that is mafia 101
The vote is the town's greatest weapon. You should know thatBeck wrote:
Captain, your vote on Arco seems to make no sense at the moment but I do want to hear from him, right now i'm looking at this as a possible bussing attempt but we will see how the game progresses.
It makes perfect sense because he's done zilch and isn't voting
what makes you say this is bussing?
I'm looking at you right now and thinking 'chainsaw'Beck wrote:
final note, Captain, people don't need votes on them to scum slip, there are other ways to get people to scum slip, there are other ways to scum hunt, just cause somebody isn't voting it doesn't mean they are automatically anti-town
like what?
scum need pressure to make mistakes
i.e. votes
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well I can't tell you, obv, or else Acro will change his post to appear more town which I will not want if Acro is scum
If i explain what the towntell is I'm looking for, then it would be useless as Acro will just purposefully include it
If I'm keeping something secret, it's for a reason. Trying to get me to spill it does town no favours
Incidentally, was there any reason why you joined this game late?Captain Corporal and Twistedspoon hydra-
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VOTE: SK
reasons
1) comes up with this "oh, I didn't suspect Acro because... uh.. He's A VI?" theory to save himself from a contradiction
2) sheepy sheeps onto my wagon
3) Sleepykrew tried to loudly justifiy his lack of voting and continued doing it for a long time, until he could safely sheep onto a wagon. Town players told they are playing poorly (and not voting is exceedingly poor town play) will quickly re-engage with the game. Good scum will do the same. But bad or simply absent-minded scum are overly concerned with saving face - they'd rather JUSTIFY their inaction instead of RESOLVING it.Captain Corporal and Twistedspoon hydra-
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I'll give an updated list of reads shortly. I'm discussing them in the hydra QT but in brief, Beck and ICE have become more town to me. I think I found a towntell from beck
ICEninja wrote:
I feel like this whole Sleepy vs Spoon thing is town on town. They're both trying to find scum,
sleepy is faux scumhunting
you even said
ICEninja wrote:A lot of the things you gave someone scum points for didn't really merit the scum points.
So yeah. I see no reason to think SK is truly scumhunting. Tunneling and giving no reasons for the player he's voting might count for something...
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And Spoon, how does that give you any indication that he is scum?
The VI loophole was very bizzare and very convenient for him to get out of a tight corner
I don't remember or think that Acro is a VI
ICEninja wrote:
While I think pressure is a great way to induce scum slips, I disagree that they need pressure to slip. Scum makes bad votes, bad cases, lousy bus attempts, and get themselves outed in VCA all the time.
I see what you're saying here
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Scum make bad votes
like sleepykrew
ICEninja wrote:
Scum make bad cases
like sleepykrew
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SleepyKrew wrote:"I'm not concealing anything." "I'm hiding my secret towntell."
"Not voting = scum." "Tommy's not voting. That's okay."
AD HOM AD HOM AD HOM
i never ad hom'd
I could make a nice montage of you doing it though padré
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Well, I just finished reading through the 8 pages of posts, and I'm inclined to agree with Da Koolzzy - it gave this head an ache, after a couple of tiring days, too.
From what I've seen so far, I don't really like the way Sleepy seemed to be chainsawing when we had our vote on Acro, then says "I will jump on the wagon if necessary", or something like that (on a mobile device, sorry). If you're so convinced our case is wrong, then you shouldn't really be jumping on thee wagon without thinking. Sounds like a bus to me.
So, I'll go ahead and FOS you both. (I have no idea where our vote is right now. I should go check).
Still need to get posting in my QT and get up some notes.
Next up on my list: read some ISO.
My bad.
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Sleepy, answer me this.
You said "I'll jump on the bandwagon if he doesn't give a satisfactory response".
1. What entails a "satisfactory response"?
2. A response to what?
3. If you disagree with the case made on Acro, why would his next post change anything when you claim he's VI?Captain Corporal and Twistedspoon hydra-
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Beck wrote: if im town and SK is maf, why would he defend me?
buddying and whit-knighting are great reasons why SK would defend you
we still think Sleepy is scum and we have very strong town reads in ICE, beck and (to a lesser extent) subgenius
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Beck wrote:
1. I was quoting acro, just didn't use the quote tag cause I was on my phone
2. The original question from acro was directed at Subs, why did you answer it
For him?
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Acronach wrote:
Captain spoon - my impression, for lack of a better term, is noob town. i know he's not exactally new, but there's a saying i go by: a new player is someone who doesn't yet know how to play. a noob is someone who chooses to not know how to play. so essentially, it fits.
If I chose not to play what would the point in me playing be?
anyways, I know one of the GreyMarble heads and I've seen him around. Maybe he forgot about the game?Captain Corporal and Twistedspoon hydra-
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