Mini 1202 Smalltown Mafia (Game Over!)

[Budja]

Honestly Charter, not much. Your all a pretty homogeneous lot right now.
I only bothered meta-ing Panacea because of the smilies. If she is scum, shes pretty damn relaxed about it. (i.e town)

[Panacea]

That was not a rebuttal. It was a blathering mixture of sarcasm and attempts at irony and cutesiness.
If you want me to take a "rebuttal" seriously, trying being slightly more dispassionate.

1) "Rebut:
— vb , -buts , -butting , -butted
( tr ) to refute or disprove, esp by offering a contrary contention or argument."
(World English Dictionary)
2) This game needs sarcasm and attempts at irony.
3) I don't give a Rat's ass if you take what I say seriously, so we're all good there.

Mafia is serious business.

To

you

. It's fun to

me

. Usually. Seriously, in every game I've played, I either indirectly or explicitly say that what matters to me is having fun. It is a game after all. But I'll tone down the impulse to make it less monotonous if it bothers you so much.

Protip: Post restrictions aren't allowed in Mini Normals so if you are faking one it's simply dumb.

Juls, what did you mean by this?

On my "fluff": I come from games where we all joke around a lot. I guess I just got lucky in that. I can only get to my computer late at night, so the majority of my posts are from my iPhone. I can't get too involved posting that way. Anyway, I guess this is just a Newbie-to-non-Newbie culture shock. I'll work on it.

Speaking of, something Hiplop said about charter never playing this nitpicky prompted me to do some meta of my own (ugh... though I hate meta). I found that out of a few of his games, his play here seemed to most resemble (in my opinion) his play in Mini 1152, wherein he was Town.

It's too late tonight to do too much more of this, but I'll make a point to finish Phoebus's M95 Quick and Dirty when I'm more alert and have the time.

[Beck]

Agreed on the fluff part. Nothing else though

+1

So despite agreeing with him on a part of his problem with Panacea, you still think he is worthy of your vote? IDGI

Just because his observation is correct, doesn't prove anything. Scum or town is likely to make the same sort of observation.

The bigger issue I am having is with hiplop, he seems to be trying to make mountains out of molehills.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Charter. Nitpicking way too much for page 3. From what i remember; he never played like this, grasping for too many straws, too quickly.

Charter made an observation, he wasn't being nit-picky nor do I think he was grasping at straws

The same could be said for a few. But he's going too hard for such a small thing. Its not a big deal, warrants a vote, for me at least.

I didn't feel charter was going to hard at all

We're still early on. It was more-or-less a RV, but tacked on with something i noticed that could be an early scumtell. No need to get angry, i just don't want to bring soeone to L-1/ go on a wagon i don't think is needed (phoebus)

I do agree that shes active-lurking too hard, but it gained steam really fast. You're going just a little too tough.

This is merely a compromise.

hate this post, horrible reaction post after charter calls hiplop scum

now this is something with more bite than what VP was doing, I feel more comfortable with placing my vote on hip

vote hiplop

but on a side note

Budja - why did you decide to meta just Panacea and can you point me to the game you feel supports her behavior in this game?

[VP Baltar]

Can anyone tell me how to make the hr tags work?

Code: Select all

 [hr]value less than 100 (I commonly use 90)[/hr]

yields:

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[VP Baltar]

Pappus Rat - how much of the panacea wagon do you think is your doing? What exactly are the suspicions you see about me regarding her?

[Zachrulez]

2nd Vote Count of Day 1:

Panacea - 3 (Phoebus, Charter, pappums rat)
Phoebus - 3 (VP Baltar, Juls, Budja)
Hiplop - 1 (Beck)
Charter - 1 (Hiplop)

Not voting (Panacea)

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch.

Day One will end no later than Monday July 25th at 6:30PM CST

[Beck]

I seriously lol'd at the vote count. Not sure I ever seen 2 people tied at l-2 before.

Will re-read the thread again at lunch to see what these wagons are based on, right now though I feel my vote on hip, is solid, no need to change ATM.

[Juls]

Alright, alright, I have to abandon my buddy VP for a minute...

I think you're

[Panacea]

scum. I think Balter is your buddy. Discuss.

No vote

Anyway, VP is town.
...
I think these people need more votes: Panacea, hiplop, and Budja.
Hiplop, you're scum.

No vote

So charter, put your money where your mouth is. Let me demonstrate:

Unvote, Vote charter

- for calling half the game scum on page 4 with only a random vote.

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Juls, what did you mean by this?

He/she was just "+1"ing everything and not speaking as if it was a post restriction.

[Beck]

This is really funny

Phoebus votes pan, and quickly 2 people hop on

Vp decides Phoebus is following charter and votes him, juls follows and Budja comes out of the blue and joins.

So we have a wagon, and a counter wagon. Each dead locked.

Charter first calls VP scum
Vp doesn't really call charter town, but excuses his accusation as accepted meta
Charter later flips and calls vp town.

I want to hear more from charter, I really want to hear more from Budja

And Juls, why do you think VP is town? I don't see anything he has done to earn a town read, what am I missing?

[Beck]

P.edit, i guess with the unvote by juls, 1 wagon isn't deadlocked anymore

[VP Baltar]

Phoebus votes pan, and quickly 2 people hop on

Vp decides Phoebus is following charter and votes him

I think you missed some stuff.

You keep saying you want to hear from charter...what exactly are you wanting to hear from him? Why do you still have an RVS vote out? At what point are you going to seriously vote, or are you scared to vote me now that I've called you on your bullshit?

[Beck]

Phoebus votes pan, and quickly 2 people hop on

Vp decides Phoebus is following charter and votes him

I think you missed some stuff.

You keep saying you want to hear from charter...what exactly are you wanting to hear from him? Why do you still have an RVS vote out? At what point are you going to seriously vote, or are you scared to vote me now that I've called you on your bullshit?

Want to hear his reaction to juls's post
Want to know why he flip-flopped his view on you so quickly

Also learn to read cause my serious vote has been cast already

[Beck]

I also wanted him to respond to your statement that he always calls you scum but I guess a no response on that is probably a response. if it was BS, he would have said so already

[VP Baltar]

Oh right, hiplop vote. Rescind that part of the post.

[Panacea]

(Mobile and short, but not without content.)

Bujda, do you really think that I use more smilies as Town? I second Beck's request for examples.

[charter]

I think Juls is delusional. I voted Panacea in my first post, and I thought everyone realized it was serious when I gave my reasons in my second post. So, she's saying I'm not putting my money where my mouth is, but I only have one vote, and it was on who I thought was most suspicious. Don't see what she's getting at. Bad vote.

We're still early on. It was more-or-less a RV, but tacked on with something i noticed that could be an early scumtell. No need to get angry, i just don't want to bring soeone to L-1/ go on a wagon i don't think is needed (phoebus)

I do agree that shes active-lurking too hard, but it gained steam really fast. You're going just a little too tough.

This is merely a compromise.

How is thinking Panacea is active lurking, and voting her for it, a scumtell when you agree that she posts fluff?
Why are you now adding 'not wanting to put someone at L-1' as a reason for voting me after your crummy initial reasons were called out? Was that an actual initial reason?

Beck: I flipped on Balter, because I remember him being more appeasing when I call him scum. He does something like "Hmmm, that's an ok point, but here's why it's not good" or something like that. What he did here was "No, you're wrong, and being a wimp about it", which I see as town.

Anyway,

unvote, vote Hiplop

He tried to give some serious reasons to a self admitted RVS vote, and when called on them, backtracked and changed them.

[Beck]

Can you link me to a game(s) you have played with him?

[hiplop]

Anyway,

unvote, vote Hiplop

He tried to give some serious reasons to a self admitted RVS vote, and when called on them, backtracked and changed them.

It twas as serious as RV's come. At this point, you're my only scum-read. Not liking the OMGUS either.

[charter]

Anyway,

unvote, vote Hiplop

He tried to give some serious reasons to a self admitted RVS vote, and when called on them, backtracked and changed them.

It twas as serious as RV's come. At this point, you're my only scum-read. Not liking the OMGUS either.

How is my suspicion of you OMGUS? I said you're suspicious because your reasons for suspecting me keep changing.

Beck, I don't remember game numbers off the top of my head. You're free to look through my completed games, but good luck, there's a few of them.

[VP Baltar]

The last game I played with charter was an Open game. I can't remember the number either. It's in my (very outdated) wiki I believe. I was scum.

[Beck]

When I get to a pc, I'll check it out.

[pappums rat]

Pappus Rat - how much of the panacea wagon do you think is your doing? What exactly are the suspicions you see about me regarding her?

I think Phoebus and I have about equal responsibility for the Panacea wagon. I've been on her since my first post and Phoebus made a good long post about her when he put down his vote.

I find your interactions with her appear like you were subtly trying to steer her away from the way she was acting. Your questions to her appeared to me to be an attempt to right the sinking ship that was Panacea, the same way CML tried to with Amrun in Mini 1120. And regardless of whether I am comparing you to one person in one game, it still looks exactly the same, and I still have my suspicions about it.

2nd Vote Count of Day 1:

Panacea - 3 (Phoebus, Charter, pappums rat)
Phoebus - 3 (VP Baltar, Juls, Budja)
Hiplop - 1 (Beck)
Charter - 1 (Hiplop)

Not voting (Panacea)

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch.

Day One will end no later than Monday July 25th at 6:30PM CST

I really do not like the Phoebus counter wagon at all. The Panacea wagon was serious, while the Phoebus wagon appeared to not be. When there is a serious wagon on someone, I think it is detrimental to have an RVS counter wagon to it. Upon looking back at it, I think Budja looks the worst for it.

Quick meta check and smiley-filled posts seem to be a playstyle thing for Panacea. So it's null.

vote: Phoebus

RIght there he piles on the lolcounterwagon and defends Panacea. His only other post of the game:

Honestly Charter, not much. Your all a pretty homogeneous lot right now.
I only bothered meta-ing Panacea because of the smilies. If she is scum, shes pretty damn relaxed about it. (i.e town)

Is another defense of Panacea, claiming that he meta'ed Panacea and said that using smilies is a town-tell. I forget exactly what it is called, but using excessive smilies can be a tactic used by scum to soften up townie's impressions of scum. So at this point Budja is also on my scumdar, probably surpassing VP due to the fact that VP's questions have a little more pro-town potential than Budja's crappy meta/smily defense.

Also, I second the request for Panacea's meta that supports her using more smilies as town.

[VP Baltar]

Unvote, vote: pappums rat

You really set off my scumdar when you implied that you were a significant mover on the Panacea wagon, and you just confirmed those suspicions with that last post. Looking at your iso, you've done pretty much nothing to move the Panacea wagon. You joined with a "wagon ho!" post and then you tried to make a point against her because she accidentally wrote VT instead of VP, which was clearly her intention. I think you're trying to make it seem like you're actively scumhunting when you really are not. You've literally made zero points against her as far as I can see, and yet you are claiming credit for the wagon.

Also, I don't think there was anything to indicate that the Phoebus wagon was RVS, so trying to discredit it as such is disingenuous.

[pappums rat]

Yeah, I was third on the wagon and no one else has voted, so obviously I haven't "moved" the wagon, but I have done a lot of arguing to pressure Panacea and have probably brought forth the most reasoning why she is likely scum. I never even said I was a "significant mover", I said I shared with Phoebus responsibility for her, meaning we have both done a lot to push this wagon.

And you could have fooled me with the Phoebus wagon, he hasnt done a damn thing worthy of being wagoned.

[Beck]

You dirty rat...

Always wanted to say that.