Double Vote Mafia -Mini 1239- Over

[killerjester]

Kj: Yes, and people just HAVE to vote when they suspect someone, right, right. You just sit alone in that opinion corner of yours, 'kay?

Righto. Who are you voting?

[killerjester]

lurklurklurk

Hi, make yourself useful.

Who are the 3 scum?

[Hiraki]

lurklurklurk

Hi, make yourself useful.

Who are the 3 scum?

Maybe when something useful happens.

or i get more pressure. either or.

[AurorusVox]

Oh lord we're only on page two and there's ad hom...

vote killerjester

^ OH HEY! A VOTE! I mean SURE it didn't count since it was pregame but at least he VOTED me when he thought I was scummy.

The fact he placed it pre-game but not after the game had begun actually damns you more.
He had declared an intent to vote you but never followed through on it.
Why? Town should lynch the people they find scummy. Therefore, he is not scum.

Why would scum not follow through on a justified vote against a townie? Esp. if other people had indicated support?
Because it's on their scumbumbuddy. Therefore, you are scum.

Whisker is independently scummy of you two. Doublevotes are awesome as we can explore two avenues at once.
D-d-d-d-d-doublevote!

[Christine]

"EBWOP:" What does this mean?

[AurorusVox]

Why aren't you voting me then?

I'm not allowed to have a joke vote?

Given your previous RV on me, can you see where I got confused? =3

[Nobody Special]

"EBWOP:" What does this mean?

Edit By Way Of Post -- since we can't edit, it refers to the edition of a post by way of another post.

[killerjester]

Why? Town should lynch the people they find scummy. Therefore, he is not scum.

Yeaaaahh I'm going to go ahead and call this a scumslip.

Confirm vote

[Hiraki]

Unvote, Vote: killerjester

You need to be eliminated.

[Whiskers]

Why? Town should lynch the people they find scummy. Therefore, he is not scum.

Yeaaaahh I'm going to go ahead and call this a scumslip.

Confirm vote

Um, how do you figure?

[killerjester]

He just called nintendo not scum.

[Hiraki]

DAMN.

HE MADE A STATEMENT THAT IS PURELY OPINIONATED.

TOTALLY SCUM.

[Hiraki]

Let me edit that actually.

HE MADE A CONCLUSION THAT WAS BACKED UP BY HIS OWN EVIDENCE.

You're nitpicking to the max and pretending that that's the only thing he has said.

[killerjester]

Why do you get that impression?

[Nobody Special]

Whiskers, serious question: Is English your native language?

[Hiraki]

Why? Town should lynch the people they find scummy.

Therefore, he is not scum.

You read the bold and disregarded the unbolded as anything.

You know. Like the rest of the post.

Like

He had declared an intent to vote you but never followed through on it.

hmm.

that does change the shape of table a little, doesn't it.

hmm.

Also, let me just make this clear.

Unvote, Unvote

Vote: killerjester, whiskers

[Alnara]

Ohhey, game started.

Vote: hiphop

because the interaction with whoever he was bitching at early is odd from a town PoV.

Vote: malpascp

because one post.

I'm a hydra. I think this is a worthy early topic of discussion. Does anyone have any questions about my being a hydra?

[nintendoaddict1]

nintendoaddict is scum for having a legitimate reason to vote killerjester pre-confirmation and then dropping it to RVS.

Obv. either killerjester is scum and this was done as light bussing before the votes counted: or killerjester was mislynch material and nintendoaddict forgot to follow through.
Despite the fact I dislike Hiraki stating his intent to lurk, I actually feel the scenario with kjscum is more likely, esp. given hiphop's points against him.

Unvote: Hiraki;
Vote: killerjester

@mod: Just had a thought. You say we have to cast both votes at the same time, but if we're unvoting one person to vote another, do we also need to re-vote the person we wish to remain voting? So in the above example, do I also need to re-vote nintendoaddict?

I pointed out he was using ad hom. How is that a legitimate reason? It was RVS.

[AurorusVox]

*I obviously meant to call him "not town"

I thought you were using ad hom as a scumtell?

[Friend Mairsil]

I'm a hydra. I think this is a worthy early topic of discussion. Does anyone have any questions about my being a hydra?

im not exaexactly fond of hydras but dont have anything against you so i dont care at the moment. however your voting someone for only having one post...while i only have one post. why him over me?

unvote Nintendo. vote Alnara

[Alnara]

Friend Mairsil, that was your fourth post. Learn to count, and come back.

[Alnara]

My vote on malp was mostly a placeholder for my other head; the nice thing about hydra'ing in this game is that we have one vote apiece. My other head would prefer a Christine vote because she has yet to post anything but fluff.

I'll be trying to keep my tone and actions as consistent as possible as though I were one person, in order to not fuck up everyone's scumdars, so I woin't be signing my posts or anything, but little moments of "other head disagrees" like this will happen.

Vox and Hiraki, reread the early interplay between hiphop and killerjester. hiphop more-or-less freaks out over being voted and his "okay, so you're not being town at all? got it" post feels scummy to me. If he really thought killerjester was scum, he'd have immediately started pushing a lynch rather than trading insults with someone he thinks is scum. So if he is town, I can only assume he's the kind of person who really believes arguing with scum is worth it because if you snark hard enough they'll admit it. I like that vote where it is.

Then look at it from killerjester. Scum tend to weaken just a little bit under pressure, and killerjester's attitude was basically "come at me bro." He did not seem fazed at all by the scum accusation, which tells me he's either good scum being attacked by a scummy-looking townie, one scum being lightly bussed by another (Vox's theory, I believe), or just a townie. I find the third most likely. Either way, if killerjester is scum, hiphop is also likely to be scum.

I'd like everyone's thoughts on this but most notably hiphop's (on the killerjester bit), killerjester (on the hiphop bit), and Vox and Hiraki (on both bits).

UNVOTE: malpckawhatever
VOTE: Christine

[killerjester]

I find hiphop being overly defensive as slightly scummy. I RVS'd him for the confirmation tell and to see if he would OMGUS me like he stated. So at least he's being consistent in that aspect.
@Alnara, who are your heads? And can you indicate which head makes each post? Those are my main concerns when playing with hydras.

[Alnara]

I'll tell you who my heads are.

One of them is Phate, who has played at MS off and on (with a few alts) since 2008, and who plays as Phayt on the GlobalGamers #mafia IRC channel. Phayt is the best player in the channel, an honor some on MS would compare to being the smartest kid on the short bus, but nevertheless IRC mafia taught him to read people quickly and well, primarily based on cognitive dissonance.

The other head is SFG, who has also played a few games on MS (incomplete record along with a set of rules for townies can be found on her wiki page), and has played as SFG on the GlobalGamers #mafia IRC channel. SFG is very analytical and good at taking objective views to reduce tunneling.

I'm not going to sign posts, because it's my belief that playing a hydra as two disjointed players makes it much harder to read the player slot. What if you find one head scummy and one not at all? Instead, we're endeavoring to keep the tone of our posts consistent and conferring with each other before we post to keep the content consistent also, when we can.

[Alnara]

EBWOP: Phate actually has been playing on MS since 2007, and feels old.