Newbie 310: It's All Over -- WOO-HOO!

[Fircoal]

Feels like a "safe" post. Random.org to not be held responsible and the ultra-townie smilie with enthusiasm and reassurance that scum is the enemy.

Unvote: Seol,
Vote: Azkar

Based on very little, but it's a start.

Well, I guess if you really want to grasp at straws .. *shrug*

Seriously, though, is random.org any more a suspicious reason for voting someone than any of the other reasons offered, so far?

I guess I'll try to curb my excitement about the next game I play . I admit it, I'm an impatient person. I waited through the queue, I waited through the confirms stage, and I was just happy about getting into the game.

It is pretty much just grasping at straws.

But also to test reactions, like Fircoal stepping up to defend you. That could at some point become useful information.

THe only reason I defended him, was because it didn't seem like a scum post. Just what I think.

[Avinyl]

I am sorry about not posting very much, but there's something wrong with my internet connection, it should be fixed on Monday.

[VitaminR]

(I am going to reduce the quote size a bit to make this more readable.)

But also to test reactions, like Fircoal stepping up to defend you. That could at some point become useful information.

The only reason I defended him, was because it didn't seem like a scum post. Just what I think.

It certainly isn't something that'll really count against you in my mind. I'm just explaining why I voted based on something that is not really concrete evidence.

[MeMe]

Vote Count

:

Azkar

(2):

Fircoal, VitaminR

Seol

(1):

Avinyl

Thesp

(1):

Seol

theopor_COD

(1):

Thesp

Fircoal

(1):

Azkar

Avinyl

(1):

theopor_COD

not voting

(0)

Four to lynch.

[Thesp]

THe only reason I defended him, was because it didn't seem like a scum post. Just what I think.

Unvote: theopor_COD, Vote: Fircoal.

Methink he doth protest too much.

[Fircoal]

THe only reason I defended him, was because it didn't seem like a scum post. Just what I think.

Unvote: theopor_COD, Vote: Fircoal.

Methink he doth protest too much.

How is my defense protesting to much? I only said it didn't seem like a scum post, to me.

[VitaminR]

I think it is to do with the fact that your defense is "the only reason I defended him, was because it didn't seem like a scum post." That is what you can assume about every townie.

Your defense comes down to reasserting the fact that you're pro-town. That doesn't mean much as a defense, which is why it can be seen to reveal a need to re-affirm the underlying assumption that everyone is pro-town. Basically, stating that you're pro-town reveals a guilty conscience, and the possibility in your mind of it being untrue.

[Azkar]

Your defense comes down to reasserting the fact that you're pro-town. That doesn't mean much as a defense, which is why it can be seen to reveal a need to re-affirm the underlying assumption that everyone is pro-town. Basically, stating that you're pro-town reveals a guilty conscience, and the possibility in your mind of it being untrue.

This line of logic is really starting to get at me. I mean ... it's just too convenient, don't you think? Fircoal said the post didn't seem like a scum post, and that casts a suspicious light on him, because it asserts pro-townieness? Well, really, who

isn't

going to assert a pro-town inclination? I don't think we'll see many people here trying to say they're pro-scum.

unvote

vote: VitaminR

Not much to go on, but it's a start.

[VitaminR]

Erm... I didn't actually say anywhere that I thought it was suspicious, just that it could be seen as suspicious.

I don't really see it as a significant tell.

[Thesp]

Your defense comes down to reasserting the fact that you're pro-town. That doesn't mean much as a defense, which is why it can be seen to reveal a need to re-affirm the underlying assumption that everyone is pro-town. Basically, stating that you're pro-town reveals a guilty conscience, and the possibility in your mind of it being untrue.

Quoted for truthery.

This line of logic is really starting to get at me. I mean ... it's just too convenient, don't you think? Fircoal said the post didn't seem like a scum post, and that casts a suspicious light on him, because it asserts pro-townieness? Well, really, who isn't going to assert a pro-town inclination?

Most people don't state that they are pro-town, because they presume it (particularly newer players). Scum are more likely to insist they are pro-town as a (crude) way of trying to convince the town that they are.

[Azkar]

Blech .. I'll

unvote

, for now. There really isn't much to go on here, it seems. It would be nice if some of the other players dropped in to offer their perspective .

Right now, we've got VitaminR voting for myself, based on a perhaps overly enthusiastic first post, and we have Thesp voting for Fircoal over .. his defense of his defense? The rest, I think, were random / joke votes.

[VitaminR]

My vote is now also based on:
1) Your defense of Fircoal.
2) Your eagerness to vote me.

[theopor_COD]

unvote, vote Azkar

[theopor_COD]

As for the reasons behind my vote, his defence of Fircoal and weak attack on VitaminR then subsequent unvote just convinces me of his scumminess.

[Fircoal]

unvote: Azkar
Vote: Theopor_COD

You put Azkar at -1 lynch, that's a newbie game scum tactic.

[theopor_COD]

Trying to save your buddy now?

[Azkar]

My vote is now also based on:
1) Your defense of Fircoal.

Did I really defend Fircoal? I thought I was more defending myself, by speaking out against the sort of logic that was being used against both of us. Honestly, Fircoal hasn't really said much in the game to make me think much, either way.

2) Your eagerness to vote me.

Because you're innocent, obviosly, right?

As for the reasons behind my vote, his defence of Fircoal and weak attack on VitaminR then subsequent unvote just convinces me of his scumminess.

I'm still new to this game. I'm trying to get a feel for the right directions to take. Maybe my attack on VitaminR was weak. I still think his attack on me was weak. At least I'm willing to admit it, and back down for the moment.

[VitaminR]

Did I really defend Fircoal? I thought I was more defending myself, by speaking out against the sort of logic that was being used against both of us. Honestly, Fircoal hasn't really said much in the game to make me think much, either way.

Could you show me how is it the logic that has been used against you?

Because you're innocent, obviously, right?

Well, yeah. 8)

I'm still new to this game. I'm trying to get a feel for the right directions to take. Maybe my attack on VitaminR was weak. I still think his attack on me was weak. At least I'm willing to admit it, and back down for the moment.

More than anything, I'm keeping my vote on you and picking at your actions to see how you respond (and others). I'm not anywhere near convinced that you're scum. Honestly, your posts seem pretty transparent and helpful overall. I am definitely re-evaluating my suspicions.

The thing that is keeping my vote on you at the moment is mostly the strong sense of connection between Fircoal and you.

This, I'm afraid, is just strengthening that:

unvote: Azkar
Vote: Theopor_COD

You put Azkar at -1 lynch, that's a newbie game scum tactic.

While I don't think theopor_COD's conviction is warranted, putting Azkar at -1 is not really all that significant. One of the votes on him was a random vote by you, who has clearly stipulated that he does not agree with the suspicion on Azkar (and therefore would not support a lynch). Also, anyone hammering Azkar this quickly would come under close scrutiny. It is not all that dangerous.

[Azkar]

Did I really defend Fircoal? I thought I was more defending myself, by speaking out against the sort of logic that was being used against both of us. Honestly, Fircoal hasn't really said much in the game to make me think much, either way.

Could you show me how is it the logic that has been used against you?

Your first comments about me:

Feels like a "safe" post. Random.org to not be held responsible and the ultra-townie smilie with enthusiasm and reassurance that scum is the enemy.

And your later explanation of Thesp's probable motives in voting Fircoal:

Your defense comes down to reasserting the fact that you're pro-town. That doesn't mean much as a defense, which is why it can be seen to reveal a need to re-affirm the underlying assumption that everyone is pro-town. Basically, stating that you're pro-town reveals a guilty conscience, and the possibility in your mind of it being untrue.

Maybe it was a more tenuous link than I thought it was, at the time. But that's the only point I remember saying much of anything about Fircoal.

The thing that is keeping my vote on you at the moment is mostly the strong sense of connection between Fircoal and you.

This, I'm afraid, is just strengthening that:

unvote: Azkar
Vote: Theopor_COD

Thanks for explaining your current reasonings. I can see how the perceived connection between two players can be seen as suspicious. It seems a pretty obvious tell, though, and a really poor strategic move to show that much public support for a scum-buddy. It was nice having at least one person sticking up for me, but I don't pretend to know his motivations. I'm sure Fircoal can provide more insight into his thought processes than I can.

[VitaminR]

Maybe it was a more tenuous link than I thought it was, at the time. But that's the only point I remember saying much of anything about Fircoal.

I do think you're right in that they stem from the same tack of reasoning. I definitely see them as separate, though. Firstly, intuitions about the sincerity of a post play an important role. Secondly, Fircoal's comment was different. It was unprompted and defensive and it stood out. Your first post was essentially the perfect townie post. They are both falling back on what is "safe," but in ways that I think should be distinguished.

That's all fairly irrelevant, since I do see how you would not have necessarily been defending Fircoal in attacking that.

Thanks for explaining your current reasonings. I can see how the perceived connection between two players can be seen as suspicious. It seems a pretty obvious tell, though, and a really poor strategic move to show that much public support for a scum-buddy. It was nice having at least one person sticking up for me, but I don't pretend to know his motivations. I'm sure Fircoal can provide more insight into his thought processes than I can.

It is a poor strategic move, but I have (or had) no way of gauging whether or not you or Fircoal are sound strategic players. In any case, the connection seems so obvious that I find it difficult to come up with another explanation. There is a tendency for suspicions to polarise a group of players, but, even if that is the case, a great deal of useful information can be gleaned from encouraging that process. I would definitely like to hear more from Fircoal about his theopor vote, though.

I would also like to hear from Avinyl and Seol.

[Thesp]

While I don't think theopor_COD's conviction is warranted, putting Azkar at -1 is not really all that significant. One of the votes on him was a random vote by you, who has clearly stipulated that he does not agree with the suspicion on Azkar (and therefore would not support a lynch). Also, anyone hammering Azkar this quickly would come under close scrutiny. It is not all that dangerous.

So...tempting...must resist...hammer of doom...

[Fircoal]

I voted Theopor_Cod, because he put Azkar at -1, and a newbie, but to you it may not seem like much of a problem but it stood out more to me. If we allow people to put someone at -1 lynch, the scum can lynch that person, making in 2:3 on the 2nd day, I don't want that to happen. Like your vote on Azkar, I am picking straws. As I said before I only defended him because it didn't seem scummy to me. It really wasn't really a defense, but more my opinion on the case. I didn't seem that defensive when I typed it out.

[Fircoal]

While I don't think theopor_COD's conviction is warranted, putting Azkar at -1 is not really all that significant. One of the votes on him was a random vote by you, who has clearly stipulated that he does not agree with the suspicion on Azkar (and therefore would not support a lynch). Also, anyone hammering Azkar this quickly would come under close scrutiny. It is not all that dangerous.

So...tempting...must resist...hammer of doom...

either that's sarcasm, or it proves my point.

[Azkar]

I would also like to hear from Avinyl and Seol.

I was going to say pretty much the same thing.

I'm pretty sure I saw Seol posting in another game, earlier today. I hope he hasn't forgotten about us .

[Fircoal]

I would also like to hear from Avinyl and Seol.

I was going to say pretty much the same thing.

I'm pretty sure I saw Seol posting in another game, earlier today. I hope he hasn't forgotten about us .

MAybe he has no comments.