<Mini 435> Julius Caesar Mafia, Player Abandoned

[Miztef]

I agree that Miztef

made a mistake on the

first post of the game, but I believe that mistake is incriminating and that at best he is a power role who stupidly revealed himself, so I

unvote vote: Miztef

.

Actually, I just assumed that in all themed games, the character names are revealed. Our mod did not reveal them this game, and I was wondering if he made a mistake. I don't think that wanting to know everyone's character name is imcriminating in itself.

[Guardian]

I continue to get the impression that he is scum as claiming a role name

makes no sense as town

, I don't buy his explanation, and I

unvote vote: Miztef

because I believe voting him is the best action to take at this point.

[Eteocles]

I agree that Miztef

made a mistake on the

first post of the game, but I believe that mistake is incriminating and that at best he is a power role who stupidly revealed himself, so I

unvote vote: Miztef

.

Actually, I just assumed that in all themed games, the character names are revealed. Our mod did not reveal them this game, and I was wondering if he made a mistake. I don't think that wanting to know everyone's character name is imcriminating in itself.

I'm not making much sense out of this. The characters would most likely be from the play, and most people know what happens in it. So why would the mod tell us everyone's name? You could probably infer everyone's role from that information.

[Sarcastro]

Sarcastro, why are you arguing against Guardian, when you were voting for miztef too?

There is a difference between a random vote (or an arbitrary vote, since it wasn't technically random) and a real vote. My vote on Miztef had nothing to do with actually thinking he was scum - in fact, I thought that he was probably town as soon as I saw his first post. I didn't feel the need to point this out, though, until Lawrencelot and Guardian started talking about it seriously.

You voted him yourself, at this point he needs to convince us

that he is not scum

, and he seems just as good a vote as any; would you rather I

unvote vote: Sarcastro

?

Why does he need to convince us that he isn't scum? Why is he as good a vote as any? I just provided what I think is a good reason that he is more likely to be town than scum. And yet your response is to ignore my arguments and OMGUS me. Excuse me if I don't rush to change my vote.

[Eteocles]

There is a difference between a random vote (or an arbitrary vote, since it wasn't technically random) and a real vote. My vote on Miztef had nothing to do with actually thinking he was scum - in fact, I thought that he was probably town as soon as I saw his first post. I didn't feel the need to point this out, though, until Lawrencelot and Guardian started talking about it seriously.

If you were fairly sure he was town, why would you vote for him in the first place, and then feel the need to confirm your vote?

[Guardian]

I need to know how

unvote vote: Miztef

mentioning role names is anything but

WIFOM

- I see no reason whatsoever for a town power role to bring up role names, especially since the mod did not list role names in the first post; you confirm a vote on Miztef and really commence a nice tirade onme now, you look suspicious.

[VanDamien]

Guardian, everything else aside, the constant unvote/revote of the same guy is particularly strange behavior. Care to explain why you find it necessary?

[Sarcastro]

If you were fairly sure he was town, why would you vote for him in the first place, and then feel the need to confirm your vote?

Eteocles, are you being deliberately obtuse? Do you think I actually wanted to lynch him for

being from Ontario

? I don't have any particular problem with random-voting someone who I think looks pro-town, because I'm obviously going to unvote if I feel that the game is getting serious.

I need to know how

unvote vote: Miztef

mentioning role names is anything but

WIFOM

- I see no reason whatsoever for a town power role to bring up role names, especially since the mod did not list role names in the first post; you confirm a vote on Miztef and really commence a nice tirade onme now, you look suspicious.

What? I don't even understand your train of thought. Miztef thought that

the mod

was going to reveal everyone's rolenames. I can only assume that he's used to mods doing that wherever he's played before. The fact that he expected the mod to do it in this game - where I think the scum would be likely to stand out - demonstrates to me that he is probably pro-town. Of course he could have been insincere or have a scum role that looks pro-town, but you haven't argued for either of these possibilities - you just keep asserting that what he said was scummy for no discernable reason.

I look suspicious for random-voting Miztef and then pointing out that you're behaving in an incredibly scummy fashion? Yeah, somehow I don't think that's true.

[Guardian]

VanDamien is perceptive; Sarcastro, I thank you as you have summed up many reasons for

unvote vote: Miztef

quite nicely, but I think your confirming a vote on him

was going beyond random voting

, whatever reasons you attributed to it.

[Eteocles]

Eteocles, are you being deliberately obtuse? Do you think I actually wanted to lynch him for being from Ontario? I don't have any particular problem with random-voting someone who I think looks pro-town, because I'm obviously going to unvote if I feel that the game is getting serious.

I'm just saying that if you thought you could count on miztef not being scum, why would you vote him of all people? It just sounds kinda made up, thats all.

[Miztef]

VanDamien is perceptive; Sarcastro, I thank you as you have summed up many reasons for

unvote vote: Miztef

quite nicely, but I think your confirming a vote on him

was going beyond random voting

, whatever reasons you attributed to it.

Sarcasto explained reasons why I am

not

mafia, so I don't even know what you are talking about. I have no idea what to think of your unnessary "unvote vote:miztef" you seem to put in every post lately, expect that I find it annoying.

his confirm vote has absolutely no real reasoning behind it, so I have no idea how it "goes beyond random voting". The exact reasoning in his confirm post is "I just noticed you're from Ontario. Ergo, you're probably a Leafs fan. Die scum die."

Your flawed logic seems to me like your just clutching at straws. Why are you even going after Sarcasto when your vote is on me?

Lastly, in light of Lawrencelot's post 19, I must say I made a big mistake.

I do have a pro-town power role

, and due to my ignornace I thought everyone had gotten a character name. I'm sorry I have to claim it so early, but I believe it better to come clean then let the mafia take cheap shots at me about it.

[Guardian]

I want to hear more from you,

unvote vote: Miztef

, did you not imagine that in a Julius Caesar mafia themed game,

rolenames might reveal something substantial

about the alliance of a player, especially considering that such a mechanic occurs in many of the themed games on this site?

[Miztef]

I want to hear more from you,

unvote vote: Miztef

, did you not imagine that in a Julius Caesar mafia themed game,

rolenames might reveal something substantial

about the alliance of a player, especially considering that such a mechanic occurs in many of the themed games on this site?

Actually, I made 2 mistakes that made me state the rolename question.

1) I thought the 50% chance power thing meant

all pro-town players

have some sort of power. I did not even notice my mistake until recent events.

2) I assumed all theme games have randomized names to roles, as to not reveal anything about a character. That's how I'm used to playing themed games on a different site I played on. (I haven't even completed 1 game on this site yet)

[Sarcastro]

VanDamien is perceptive; Sarcastro, I thank you as you have summed up many reasons for

unvote vote: Miztef

quite nicely, but I think your confirming a vote on him

was going beyond random voting

, whatever reasons you attributed to it.

What are you talking about? I've demonstrated exactly why you should

not

vote for Miztef. Your apparent restriction does not relieve you of your responsibility to explain yourself. Please answer my questions and explain why you feel that he's scummy. You can't just assert it over and over again.

I'm just saying that if you thought you could count on miztef not being scum, why would you vote him of all people? It just sounds kinda made up, thats all.

Well, I would like to clarify that I'm certainly not completely sure Miztef isn't scum - I simply think that he looks pro-town and that Guardian's case against him makes no sense.

What sounds made up? My reason for random-voting him? It was made up, obviously - it was an arbitrary vote. I wanted a clever reason to make a random vote, so I was originally going to vote for you, making a comment about how Greeks are enemies of Rome. Miztef beat me to it, so I decided to vote for him instead. I later noticed he was from Ontario, and I regretted missing the opportunity to vote for him based on that. It's all so meaningless, and I don't see why any of it matters. It didn't matter to me that I suspected Miztef to be town, because I never had any intention for my vote on him to be taken seriously.

[Sarcastro]

I want to hear more from you,

unvote vote: Miztef

, did you not imagine that in a Julius Caesar mafia themed game,

rolenames might reveal something substantial

about the alliance of a player, especially considering that such a mechanic occurs in many of the themed games on this site?

But Guardian, why does that make Miztef look scummy? So he made a mistake - so what? It looks more like a town mistake than a scum mistake, and that's the vital thing. Right now you look like you're simply looking for a reason to vote someone. You saw that Miztef made a mistake, and so you voted for him, not thinking about whether scum or town are actually more likely to make that particular mistake. You look opportunistic and scummy.

[Illumina]

I agree, it makes much more sense as a town mistake than a scum one. Something to note, but not vote-worthy.

To me, Guardian's behavior is the most interesting aspect of the game so far.

[Eteocles]

To me, Guardian's behavior is the most interesting aspect of the game so far.

It looks like some sort of post restriction. Red text and all the voting, unvoting... Guardian are you allowed to tell us anything about this?

[Miztef]

To me, Guardian's behavior is the most interesting aspect of the game so far.

It looks like some sort of post restriction. Red text and all the voting, unvoting... Guardian are you allowed to tell us anything about this?

A post restriction makes alot of sense. The weird way of confirm voting and the red text are very odd, and a post restriction would definately clear up the reason why guardian does so.

Not scummy in itself, but based on post 39 by sarcastro, I do agree that your voting for me based on only a single mistake, which I have explained clearly now, is scummy.

I unvote

vote: Guardian

[TBuG]

Are you going to reveal our character names? Or is that for when we die only?

When you die; such is the norm in

all

incarnations here, save a few.

[Miztef]

Are you going to reveal our character names? Or is that for when we die only?

When you die; such is the norm in

all

incarnations here, save a few.

Thanks. I found that out after I posted the question unfortunately .

[Illumina]

It looks like some sort of post restriction.

Wow, I totally missed that -- I assumed the red text was simply for emphasis. You're right, it seems like he has to vote for someone in every single post. The red text appears random, though, just something he has to include.

[TBuG]

The theme of this game is NOT Julius Caesar the play, it is Julius Caesar the person. Do not attempt to base any arguments on the play.

[Sarcastro]

It looks like some sort of post restriction.

Wow, I totally missed that -- I assumed the red text was simply for emphasis. You're right, it seems like he has to vote for someone in every single post. The red text appears random, though, just something he has to include.

Yes, and all his posts are exactly one sentence. He obviously has (or is faking, I suppose) a restriction. I don't really think it matters, though, because there's no point in speculating on it right now.

[Guardian]

I

cannot adequately respond to all

of Sarcastro's questions though I thought in post 32 he summed up a few of the basic points of my logic as to why revealing that you have a rolename is anti-town when he chastised me for not bringing them up myself; however, for now I will

unvote vote: Patrick

as he is experienced, knows lurking is scummy, and yet has posted in other threads while ignoring this one.

[Lawrencelot]

Sarcastro, I think you're right: maybe I shouldn't have mentioned Miztef's mistake, as it let's the mafia know that he has a power role, but I thought I had to protect Miztef and I think the mafia would have found out anyway.

For me, 2 things are not suspicious but weird: Guardian's posts all have the same features (one vote, one sentence, red text), I agree that it's probably a post restriction, but I don't know if that's scummy or not. And Sarcastro still didn't unvote if I am right. It was a random vote, I understand that, but now that you think Miztef is town shouldn't you unvote?

Although these things are strange, I don't feel much suspicion for Miztef, Guardian and Sarcastro. Well actually I'm hesitating about Guardian: he was keeping his vote on Miztef too, but altough I didn't agree with him I did understand his logic.