<Mini 435> Julius Caesar Mafia, Player Abandoned

[Patrick]

Out of random voting stage early. Nice.

I agree with Sarcastro that there is nothing scummy about Miztef's mistake. He feels pretty genuine to me at this point actually. I also don't have a problem with Sarcastro confirming his vote on Miztef for obviously jokey reasons, and it seems weird that two people wanted to make something out of it. Personally I could even see a strategic reason why someone would confirm their vote on Miztef at that stage, though it seems Sarc was just being random.

Guardian has been pretty wishy washy in his reasoning for attacking Miztef. Even now I don't think he's really answered anything, he just repeats that he thinks Sarcastro is bringing up points that support his case, when they are arguing against him. Happy to

Unvote, vote: Guardian

seems slightly better than a random vote.

Guardian - you've said that you think bringing up rolenames is an anti town action and that Miztef wouldn't have done so if he was a protown powerole. Explain what reason you think scum would be more likely to bring it up. My feeling is in a theme game, scum may be more insecure about their role names, and that a newbie playing as scum in a theme game wouldn't be especially likely to bring up the topic in his very first post.

[Miztef]

@Lawrencelot: It's not your fault I choose to reveal my power role status. I made the mistake and the scum would have picked up on it sooner or later. Also, Sarcastro did switch his vote to guardian in post 22.

My vote is also on guardian and for good reason. I would really like a better explination of guardian's thoughts. unless someone else becomes really suspicious or guardian explains himself well, I think my vote stays.

[Lawrencelot]

You are both right. I can see why you would vote Guardian, obviously, but I can also see a reason why not to vote him. Although his posts look really strange, that has nothing to do with his alignment I think (or at least we can't say that red letters are scummy). He thought mentioning power roles is scummy, and although I don't agree with it I can understand his logic. But I do want him to explain himself, and his behaviour, and thus I will threaten him with voting, but I'll save my vote for later.

FOS: Guardian

[Guardian]

Keeping my vote on Miztef seemed preferable to vote hopping at the time because outing yourself as a power role is very foolish, anti-town, or even scum WIFOM and I am still very interested in his role name now that he’s claimed one as knowing the role name can’t hurt the town while it

could help the town greatly

, thanks for the OMGUS vote Patrick, and there aren’t any great scum candidates at this point so maybe if I

unvote vote: EmpTyger

he’ll check the thread and throw a vote on me also.

[Phoebus]

I don't know about EmpTyger but I'm happy to oblige.

Vote: Guardian

Obviously blatant post restrictions are something that make me itch and so, i take them with some itching powder.


Give me a reason to put my vote elsewhere.
I don't care to metagame this early on and the red text plus lack of period pauses is distincly annoying.

[Patrick]

Guardian, my vote on you had nothing to do with your vote for me.

[Guardian]

Patrick, that’s not that reassuring as it came two posts after I voted for you, though you did have some logic behind it;

unvote vote: Phoebus

, in part you are my hero for doing what EmpTyger could not, but on the other hand it seems you would rather I

fit even less substantial content

into my posts.

[Illumina]

Guardian: Do you really think Miztef is scummy, or did you vote him mainly because of your post restriction?

[Guardian]

Illumina, I don't think

unvote vote: Miztef

is that terribly scummy, though I still would like to see a

role name claim from him

or at least an explanation of how him giving up his role name could hurt the town; Nightfall, EmpTyger, and ryan, find the thread and post please .

[Miztef]

If more people believe it valuble for me to say my role name, I will. For now though, I don't see how it could help the town a heck of a lot if I claim my exact role, but the scum may be able to make a more informed decision to kill me or not. I'd rather keep them guessing.

[Guardian]

unvote vote: Miztef

, you make a good point about how your role name could help scum, but if your role is a scum role then revealing it would help the town a lot - I would like to hear people's thoughts

about whether him giving up

his role name would be a good idea.

[Eteocles]

I don't think Miztef should give up his role name. If Miztef is a power role, I think that could only help the scum.

Also I've noticed that Guardian always has exactly five red letters in his posts. I wonder what significance that has to julius caesar? I will poke around on the internet and see what I can find.

[Eteocles]

EBWOP: Five red

words

rather than letters...

[Sarcastro]

Miztef is absolutely correct - revealing his role name would, in all probability, help the scum far more than it would the town. Guardian, you need to think about what you're saying a little bit more carefully. If Miztef is scum, I very much doubt that he'd reveal his actual rolename. Scum don't generally turn themselves in, and randomly making people claim in case they're scum forced to fakeclaim is generally not an efficient scum-catching technique. The only time it would be beneficial to reveal his role is when he's about to be lynched, and I really don't see that happening anytime soon.

Eteocles, if you want to do your own research I can't stop you, but I'd really urge you not to try to speculate on Guardian's role right now. In my experience, that sort of speculation is more likely to help the scum. If we get to the point where Guardian claims, then we can speculate on whether he's telling the truth, but until then, speculating about Guardian's restriction is probably not going to help us.

[Guardian]

Eteocles, I like red text as it often brings other things into focus; Sarcastro, you may indeed be right about Miztef revealing his role name, did you notice how

unvote vote: Lawrencelot

claimed not to have one?

[TBuG]

A Godly Interpretation of

What Might Be Going Wrong

Guardian

[4] Patrick - Sarcastro - Miztef - Phoebus

Eteocles

[1] VanDamien

Sarcastro

[1] Eteocles

Patrick

[1] ryan

lawrencelot

Guardian

7 to make my life slightly more difficult

[Miztef]

Eteocles, I like red text as it often brings other things into focus; Sarcastro, you may indeed be right about Miztef revealing his role name, did you notice how

unvote vote: Lawrencelot

claimed not to have one?

So, your now voting Lawrencelot because he claimed not to have a rolename (implying that he is a vanilla townie). It would be risky for a mafia to state this claim, as the mafia would not know if vanilla's had rolenames or not. To me, this is very pro-town of Lawrencelot, not scummish. If vanillas do have rolenames, I'm pretty sure they would have voted Lawrencelot a while back.

(I'm a power role, so I don't know if vanillas got a rolename or not, just to clarify)

[Lawrencelot]

Good logic, Miztef, at first I thought you were a bit dumb because of your mistake, but hey.. everybody makes mistakes, your posts do make a lot of sense now. I didn't even know there were rolenames in this game, until after your first post.

By reading Guardian's last post, we can conclude that he is also not a townie. However, I have a theory: why would the mod give guardian a post restriction if he's scum, because this post restriction is attracting votes (there are people who vote guardian ONLY because of the weird posts, not everybody of course). I think this posting restriction and the votehopping is a disadvantage for him, as it attracts votes and makes him look scummy to some people. So: could he have this disadvantage because he also has a really helpful power role? He could be a protecting investigating roleblocking vig who has to look scummy as a disadvantage. (just a theory, and an exaggerating one, but I would like to hear others opinions on this)

And Miztef, don't give your rolename, as it would ony help scum indeed.

[Lawrencelot]

Sorry for double post, but Guardian did NOT have 5 red letters in his last post. However, the mod did. What could that mean? And eteocles, how is your research going on? I might look around on wikipedia or so too when I have time. But let's not reveal anything that might help scum.

[Patrick]

The alledged post restriction doesn't do much for me with regards to alignment, he could have it as scum or town, or be faking it I guess.

Phoebus - please clarify what your reasons were for jumping on the biggest bandwagon at that point.

[Miztef]

congratz on your scumday patrick.

I agree that it is possible guardian has a good power role. This does not excuse his faulty logic, but that could just be bad play, not nessisarly scummy. More input is needed at this point it seems.

[ryan]

Phoebus: Was wondering if you could give any new imput to your vote selection?

[Phoebus]

Read my last post. Read it. And you will get my reasons for voting.
If you think I was being flippant there. I was not.

[ryan]

Annoying yes, but enough to vote somebody? Are you still in the "not sure" stage and sticking with it due to the red posting OR are you lurking and only replying when somebody calls you out? (which is a little strange you came out so quick after my post)

[Guardian]

I fail to see significance

in the color red specifically in history, maybe 50 BC is relevant but if it was actually relevant then things would be different;

unvote vote: Phoebus

, your two posts in the game have been voting me for bad reasons .