<Mini 435> Julius Caesar Mafia, Player Abandoned

[ryan]

Mod can we get another vote count?

[Guardian]

I don’t want a confirm from another vanilla at this point, but it seems that

unvote vote: Lawrencelot

has, for better or for worse,

proven himself to be vanilla

, I would like to say happy scumday Patrick, and I would like to let you all know that if I find someone scummy I will

FOS

them or say it.

[Phoebus]

I fail to see significance

in the color red specifically in history, maybe 50 BC is relevant but if it was actually relevant then things would be different;

unvote vote: Phoebus

, your two posts in the game have been voting me for bad reasons .

Then why don't you keep your vote on me?

Seriously.

You also missed one post back there with the red text.
No penalty. Makes me think you're full of it...

[ryan]

If Guardian is a townie he is sure going about proving it the wrong with with all the red posts that seem to be annoying people

[Guardian]

unvote vote: Phoebus

, just because I disagree with your reasons

does not make you scum

, my votes hardly reflect who I think is scummy, and I would really like to respond to you thinking I'm full of it but I cannot.

[Sarcastro]

By reading Guardian's last post, we can conclude that he is also not a townie. However, I have a theory: why would the mod give guardian a post restriction if he's scum, because this post restriction is attracting votes (there are people who vote guardian ONLY because of the weird posts, not everybody of course). I think this posting restriction and the votehopping is a disadvantage for him, as it attracts votes and makes him look scummy to some people. So: could he have this disadvantage because he also has a really helpful power role? He could be a protecting investigating roleblocking vig who has to look scummy as a disadvantage. (just a theory, and an exaggerating one, but I would like to hear others opinions on this)

It's possible, but I'd be wary of trying to outguess the mod. It's far from impossible for scum to have a post restriction like this, and while it might suggest that he's town, it's ultimately better to evaluate him based on his behaviour. We shouldn't give scummy players passes based on post restrictions. It is something to think about, perhaps, but again, only once we're at the point where we're evaluating Guardian's claim.

FoS: Phoebus

I think Guardian is scummy, too, but you seem more sure than I think the evidence justifies at this point. How do we know that Guardian won't be penalised for not including red text in that post? For all we know, he'll lose some ability. Or perhaps he has to make a certain number of mistakes before he's punished.

Guardian, unless your restriction also states that you must make everything you say as confusing as possible, I don't appreciate how cryptic and unhelpful you're being. I'm sure it's frustrating only being able to write one sentence per post, but you don't have to try to jam a hundred thoughts into each sentence.

[Eteocles]

I did not find anything significant just searching online, but I'm not convinced that he still does not have a post restriction. He might have a certain number of slip-up posts he is allowed to make. I think it would be a risk to lynch Guardian today, as there is a good chance he really has a power role. There also may be a chance that he is a jester, or somthing of that type that actually wants us to lynch him.

[Guardian]

unvote vote: Sarcastro

if I don't

jam in lots of thoughts

into each post, how could I conceivably ever reach out and get anything across?

[Phoebus]

If Guardian is a townie he is sure going about proving it the wrong with with all the red posts that seem to be annoying people

Am I missing some sarcasm there?

my votes hardly reflect who I think is scummy,

Why should I even bother listening to you anymore?


Lawrence - giving a "really helpful power role" such a crippling restriction is silly.

Same with Sarcastro's point. We don't know if there is a punishment?
Well...with a blatant restriction/requirement, I would expect a blatant punishment also.
Otherwise the person would be tempted to use this leeway to an advantage not intended by the mod.

I mean PBuG *is* weird, but I don't think he's entirely stupid.
So, I can't credit him with either of the above possibilities.
Hopefully, I don't have to amend my opinion of our mod at the end of this game... =/

[Guardian]

unvote vote Phoebus

, I said earlier that you should listen to my

FOS

s not my votes; I don't think anyone is

scummy enough at this point

to merit constant voting.

[Phoebus]

then what's to stop you from posting at all until you have an FoS ready.

Are you implying your votes don't count at all?

I'd be OK with you not speaking until you have something to say.

Mod:

Vote count please

[Guardian]

Phoebus, if you think

it is a good idea

for me to lurk and the town agrees, then that is almost fine with me; I'll

unvote vote: Guardian

for now to remove any confusion in the vote count.

[Phoebus]

hmm.

why? leave your vote where it was. then we'll see what the mod does with it and then it can be decided what to do with you.

[Guardian]

unvote vote: Phoebus

, ok, I

will do as you request

even though I am not at all confident that you're scum as your reaction, while frustrating, is an understandable response to my actions.

[Illumina]

Well...with a blatant restriction/requirement, I would expect a blatant punishment also.

I disagree, I think that's a weak and risky assumption. Also, the mod posted "What Might Be Going Wrong" in red the next post after Guardian failed to do so, and he had never used red text previously. That could have been a reminder, an indication that he has one less free slip-up, an actual role penalty we'd be unaware of, or a combination of any of those. We have no way of knowing in any case, and trying to play wifom with the mod isn't all that prudent.

I agree with Sarcastro on this, let's look at behavior and speculate more when the time is right.

[TBuG]

Mod can we get another vote count?

I don't see the point where there are no notable changes since my last post a page ago.

[Sarcastro]

Same with Sarcastro's point. We don't know if there is a punishment?
Well...with a blatant restriction/requirement, I would expect a blatant punishment also.
Otherwise the person would be tempted to use this leeway to an advantage not intended by the mod.

I'm sorry, but I just think that you're assuming too much. I can think of multiple scenarios that would not include the mod revealing that Guardian was being punished for failing his restriction. Why does the punishment have to be blatant? Why can't it have to do with some night ability we don't know about? What advantage exactly is Guardian getting? I just don't understand why you're so quick to assume these things, and quite frankly it seems like you're just pursuing Guardian because he's an easy target.

[Lawrencelot]

Vote: Phoebus

I'm not 100% sure about Guardian, but I find my own theory more likely to believe for now. Phoebus seems to be the only one who is sure Guardian is scum, and the reason he gives is the annoying posts. Why didn't you look at other posts of Guardian? I looked at one other post of him in a game and it's without 5 red words, one sentence and a vote.

Guardian: I'm ok with you posting less, I won't vote you for lurking. Just post when you find someone suspicious, or when people want you to post. Or when you have something to add to the discussion. Well nevermind this, just post unless it would confuse town.

Eteocles does have a good point though, I didn't think of the possibility of a Jester. However, Jesters want themselves lynched, and Guardian seems to try to help the town, although he failes sometimes.

[Phoebus]

Mod can we get another vote count?

I don't see the point where there are no notable changes since my last post a page ago.

I will get snippy here.

I really think that is a ridiculous answer when a vote count has been requested. Vote counting is one of the mod's duties.
I'm trying to follow a certain line of thought and I don't wish to backtrack in order to verify.

How is that difficult?


Sarcastro and Illumina-
OK. I concede that I am making assumptions.
My views are coloured by what I would do as a mod.
Until further notice/information, it will likely remain so.
And yes, my irritation is exacerbated by the annoying red.

Do with this what you will.

[Phoebus]

Phoebus seems to be the only one who is sure Guardian is scum,

Oi!
back the truck up!

Phoebus is annoyed with the restriction.
Phoebus does not like blatant restrictions.
Phoebus thinks there should be blatant punishments for missing such a restriction.
Phoebus could do without the annoying red all the time.
Phoebus can envision a scenario where such a restriction is faked.
Phoebus does not care to read red all the time and not find period pauses.
Phoebus is fine with getting rid of annoying requirement guy.

Phoebus is

not

sure

Guardian is scum.


Put things in perspective there.

[Guardian]

If I

unvote: vote Phoebus

, who likely wants a vote count to see if my vote is counted,

will that confuse the town

?

[Miztef]

So, it seems we have a Guardian vs. Pheobus situation here.

why vote Guardian

- annoying post restriction
- thoughts are rarely helpful to the town
- thoughts are confusing
- blatent vote hopping

why vote Pheobus

- a little too sure that guardian is scum
- less risk of him being a jester
- is adament on getting Guardian lynched

I think I've convered the basics here. I don't see either as being exceptionally scummy, and I think lynching either right now is

not

the best course of action.

I will

unvote

for now.

noted

: In Illumina's post 89 it is pointed out that the mod did use red text right after guardian failed to do so. Intriging to say the least.

[Patrick]

So how many people think we should be voting someone because he has an annoying post restriction, out of interest? That is, other than Phoebus.

[TBuG]

A Sign That Jupiter Has No Idea What He's Doing

Guardian

[3] Patrick - Sarcastro - Phoebus

Phoebus

[2] lawrencelot - Guardian

Eteocles

[1] VanDamien

Sarcastro

[1] Eteocles

Patrick

[1] ryan

7 to get a special visit from Mr. Lightningbolt

[Guardian]

Patrick, you apparently agree with

unvote vote: Pheobus

, at least in that

you are voting for me

.