Mini 470 - Some Guys Are Trying To Kill You (done)

[Gatorguy91]

Nevermind, I have internet in this hotel/condo

[Niv]

well, in that case, Soup, feel free to question Gator. also, it seams like he did have a legit reason, unless he would lie about that in thread, which i doubt

[Jenter Brolincani]

I see soup's reasoning on this...

[Niv]

care to do more than barn Jen, its good when people contribute their own ideas, even if it is just rewording somethng else

[Jenter Brolincani]

Yeah, sorry, I'll post something wednesday as I'm busy at the moment.

[Gatorguy91]

vote: gatorguy91

we just lost our cop on the first night. why you so anxious to hold onto your place in the game despite being gone for 5-7 days?

Woah, call off your dogs, dude. I came to this site to play mafia, isn't that

what I'm supposed to be doing?

FoS: Soupfly for having a dumb reason for a legitimate vote.

[Maz Medias]

@ mod did gatorguy91 tell you anything he didn't tell us and are you planning on relacing him? this is a hot topic right now so....

My personal conversations with players are not public.

[Niv]

@ mod. sorry.

also, with gator guy now posting, i feel that when soup checks in, he will want to say something, but from an early game standpoint, spou is stillthe best move

[Erotomachia]

I think that from an early game standpoint no one is really a good move yet. Some players still haven't even posted! (Langley, zakk_status)

[soupfly]

what people discuss with the mod via PM is their business. what people post on this thread is open for interpretation. there was nothing illogical or dumb about my analysis despite what others may say to the contrary.

and quite frankly i don't know why i have to keep justifying this. i'm not casting the deciding vote nor am i trying to convince anybody that gator is guilty.

[soupfly]

unvote: gator

FOS: gator, niv

[Erg0]

I can see where you get the suspicion of Gator from, and in fact I think it's a decent meta argument. It was really just the "go town" speech that you made that I found to be a minor scumtell.

[Oman]

Vote: Soupfly

I'm back, and I have the philosophy of jumping on the earliest scummy thing i see (Romanus taught me that ) so soupfly gets my attention. You were way to upset about the cop kill, a cop wouldn't have been that much help, he has a 3/12 or 4/12 chance of hitting scum and a 1/9 or 1/8 chance of being NKed night 0(wait...how many scum are in here, do we know?)

[soupfly]

hmm, 4 votes for soupfly on page two: thai boxer shorts, niv, erg0

and this based on:
-my logical analysis of something posted on the thread.
-a questionable scum tell. town IS at an early disadvantage because of lost cop. that is a fact.

its funny cause i'm among the only people who has been posting trying to get discussion going which is pro-town. if i were mafia i'd be laying low like most of the people on here.

Vote: Soupfly

I'm back, and I have the philosophy of jumping on the earliest scummy thing i see (Romanus taught me that ) so soupfly gets my attention. You were way to upset about the cop kill, a cop wouldn't have been that much help, he has a 3/12 or 4/12 chance of hitting scum and a 1/9 or 1/8 chance of being NKed night 0(wait...how many scum are in here, do we know?)

"way too upset"...where? I missed that part. cop not important? incidentally the cop investigated a bad guy but got killed before he could play. i'll leave it up to you guys to decide how impt/unimpt the cop is in these games.

if you're gonna vote against me then at least find a better reason. vote #4 for someone on middle of pg2 is not very town friendly.

/sigh

[Oman]

Okay, we have 6 to lynch, vote 4 does nothing other then pressure. however, you responded to that in a very protown way.

UNVOTE

This game is about pressure and how people respond to it. You had quite a pro-town response, not explosive, not aggresive.

Also, chances that bad guy was investigated night 0 and cop killed are 3/12 * 1/9 which is 0.0277 (four dec. places) Day one a cop can only confirm a townie, and they wouldn't claim for an innocent (or probably a guilty) as they'd be NKed night 1.

Vote #4 is extremely town friendly, bandwagons only HELP the town and the sooner we have real discussion instead of stupid random vote the better.

[Oman]

EBWOP: Happy scumday

[ThaiBoxerShorts]

unvote: soupfly

for now. I'm downgrading it to an

fos

. I still find soupfly's defensiveness mildly scummy, but my initial vote was essentially random, and the bandwagon is moving a little too fast for comfort.

[Jenter Brolincani]

FoS; Gator

for not defending himself properly and just calling fly's question dumb.

[Niv]

soup is still feeling over defensiver to me, and for this reason, i do leave my vote on soup

[Oman]

Vote: Gatorguy

I'd like to hear a little more from you especially in defence of soup's attack on you.

[Gatorguy91]

My Defense is that Soupfly had no evidence to Go on and just decided to say i was
scum. I saw that as dumb, and stated as so, and that's scummy? Then Again, What's not scummy theese days?

A little bit of anaylasis:

Soupfly is obviously eager to point his finger at someone, however he seems to be playing not too well. I'll keep my FoS on him.

Jenter Didn't like my reasoning, his points seem to be short. I'm not very suspicious of him.

Oman Pressure voted me, which wasn't very scummy and is a nice routine for finding scum. After he unvoted Soupfly, which seemed to be a popular thing to do at the point.

Niv has been protecting me, which is part of certain scum strategy (Befriend a townie) But I'm not all that suspicious of him.

Thaiboxershorts quickly jumped on the bandwagon and quickly jumped off after Oman. Fos: Thai for bandwagoning.

Erecthomania has not made any contributations to the game townwise, yet has posted.

Erg0... I'm sorta confused about him.

Zakk_status and Langley haven't even posted, yet I'm not suspicious.

[Oman]

Indeed, well pressure no longer needed

Unvote

and in fact I think it's a decent meta argument

I don't think it was a decent meta argument at all, I think it was an early attack to root out scum. Meta arguments on page 1-4 don't work to well. Especially with more then 10 people.

[Oman]

Also gator can you explain this:

FoS: Soupfly for having a dumb reason for a legitimate vote.

What do you mean by "a legitimate vote"? That soup's vote against you was legitimate, as in, you are scummy?

[Gatorguy91]

Legitimate=not random

[Oman]

ah i see Gator, thanks for that.

and quite frankly i don't know why i have to keep justifying this. i'm not casting the deciding vote nor am i trying to convince anybody that gator is guilty

Firstly, you should have to defend every action you make, and you should have a defence for it if you’re town. Trying to get out of the spotlight by claiming that you were not doing anything (i.e. “not casting the deciding vote” or “trying to convince anybody”) looks scummy. Town are ALWAYS doing something, or, should be.

Also, you unvote Gatorguy right after this, as in “I’m not trying to convince anybody, otherwise I would have voted him....uh I mean Unvote” (Note to all: He didn’t really say that, it’s my dramatic interpretation of his speech)

if i were mafia

stupid phrase...really stupid. Aside from the whole WIFOM argument, it’s also pointless.

incidentally the cop investigated a bad guy but got killed before he could play

Did I miss this somewhere?

mod

vote count please. Thank you.