Mini 497 - Game Over

[destructor]

I think that anything that will spark a decent discussion is helping the team. I wonder if Dusterham is helping himself though. His post #45 does make him seems scummy.

Hinting that you're scum can onl

So I'll keep my vote on him for a while. At least until someone else is acting more scummy.

I think that's a typo there. Can you clarify what you were trying to say?

Also, sure, decent discussions are good, but in this case, it could easily be the Townies that doing it all, in which case we're not really getting much info from the Mafia. What I'm seeing from dusterhan is that he's causing confusion for the sake of confusion, which is terrible for the Town but great for the Mafia.

Which is why I want to try and get this sorted out as soon as possible. dusterhan, if you're not scum, I'm hoping you'll change the way you're approaching this game.

On the other hand, can you explain why you would want to confuse us?

[kabenon007]

I don't know if this type of character cxan exist in a mini normal, but I have seen a character called the Jester or something like it, I think. And his win condition is to have the town lynch him. I doubt dusterhan is a jester, that doesn't seem to be likely in a mini normal. But his playing has been odd. None of his posts have been clear in any way, almost every one has some sort of enigma in it. He plays almost like he's trying to get us to believe he is scum or something, which, even if he is town, is extremely unhelpful to the town as a whole.

[Cavane]

VOTE COUNT

Sephiroth: 3 (Nekka-Lucifer, destructor, dusterhan)
dusterhan: 2 (Silver Phoenix, joost,)
joost: 1 (Nirp)
Nekka-Lucifer: 2 (kabenon007, Aimee)
kabenon007: 1 (Sephiroth)
Aimee: 1 (Knuck)
destructor: 1 (Atticus)
Knuck: 1 (-TinVision-)

Not Voting: 0

12 Alive, 7 to lynch.

[Aimee]

I don't know if this type of character cxan exist in a mini normal, but I have seen a character called the Jester or something like it, I think. And his win condition is to have the town lynch him. I doubt dusterhan is a jester, that doesn't seem to be likely in a mini normal. But his playing has been odd. None of his posts have been clear in any way, almost every one has some sort of enigma in it. He plays almost like he's trying to get us to believe he is scum or something, which, even if he is town, is extremely unhelpful to the town as a whole.

As a mod and game balancer, having a jester in a mini normal is highly highly unlikely.

[destructor]

I'd like to see more posts from Sephiroth, Silver Pheonix, Aimee and Knuck. They seems to be the players who've said the least so far.

[Nirp]

Agreed. While we have little to go on (as usual on a day one with no night), discussion is key to finding scum. As far as I can tell, the only thing that stands out at the moment is dusterhan's post, so an explanation from dusterhan about his somewhat odd behavior would be appreciated.

[destructor]

Hmm, I'm not going to hold my breath on that one...

joost, could you explain you FOS on Nirp? That seemed unfounded.

[Aimee]

Vote: Aimee

Also Dusterhan why are you trying to get rid of Sephiroth, you have a reason right?

This is quite clearly an exaggeration.

Dusterhan only voted for Sephiroth - there was basically no danger of him being lynched.

Hey people!!!!

Vote: Sephiroth

cos he's got the most vote so far.

8)

What is the reasoning behind your vote for me? What do you hope to gain by voting as you are?

I'm curious about this reply, since Sephiroth here seems far too defensive about a random vote.

[-TinVision-]

Vote stands til Knuck posts something of content.

[Atticus]

I don't know if this type of character cxan exist in a mini normal, but I have seen a character called the Jester or something like it, I think. And his win condition is to have the town lynch him. I doubt dusterhan is a jester, that doesn't seem to be likely in a mini normal. But his playing has been odd. None of his posts have been clear in any way, almost every one has some sort of enigma in it. He plays almost like he's trying to get us to believe he is scum or something, which, even if he is town, is extremely unhelpful to the town as a whole.

We shouldn't be speculating roles this early in the game.

[Sephiroth]

I'd like to see more posts from Sephiroth, Silver Pheonix, Aimee and Knuck. They seems to be the players who've said the least so far.

Apologies. I've been busy.

I'm curious about this reply, since Sephiroth here seems far too defensive about a random vote.

I my intent was not to make a defense. I intended to pressure Duster with my questions, and it seems to have worked.

I voted Sephiroth cos everyone was voting and i was just going with the flow... or was i?

This post is ridiculous...First, going with the flow is scummy on it's own (and I think that

was

why he voted as he did). Second, saying something like "or was I?" Is simply confusing to the town, and therefore, anti town. I'm liking Duster less and less every time he posts.

Im also *slightly* suspicious of Tinvision, because I thought his posts thus far were a little bit too random, in my opinion, for I feel that the game has moved past that stage at this point. Though, I will freely admit that the brightline between random stage and actual discussion is very debatable, so I'm not going to press the point.

-Mod Edit- Fixed Quote Tags

[Atticus]

[quote="Atticus']But mod! It's so much funner to look at people's bad tags and laugh at them![/quote]

-Mod Edit- Hey, you're right!

[-TinVision-]

I agree that dusterhan needs to stop acting absurd for the sake of it. It's not a pro-town tactic (my best recent example being Dr. Blackstrike's play in Newbie #411) which resulted in a townie getting lynched D1.

[joost]

I think that's a typo there. Can you clarify what you were trying to say?

Oh I see I wasn't completely focused when I posted that... I don't remember exactly what I was going to say but I think it was something like this: Hinting your scum can only perhaps be a good idea if you yourself are scum. It's basically what everyone else has said about it. Causing confusion is a scum tell.

joost, could you explain you FOS on Nirp? That seemed unfounded. [/joost]

It was unfounded and maybe it was a poor attempt to get this game out of the random stage. We are definitely out of that now. But as it, in my opinion, still was the random stage I didn't see any harm in being random.

[Knuck]

Sorry was out of town for a couple of days, will be back on a normal schedule from now.

As far as the posts go I agree that Dusterhans posts are odd because of the confusion and suspicion he puts on himself which really doesn't help the town, although from his other games this seems to be the norm. And my question I asked him was just to get a response from him to see if he would actually answer it or not, there's no real suspicion on his vote.

Also my vote was just in the random stage so for now

Unvote: Aimee

[SilverPhoenix]

I agree that dusterhan needs to stop acting absurd

What? You FoSed dusterhan because your games were slow and you random voted Knuck saying you wanted to fight him... TBH you the one acting the most absurd. And I agree with Nekka that the random voting stage is important. So

Unvote; FoS: -TinVision-

[Nekka-Lucifer]

Hey. Noting I'm here and not away. I've been watching the thread pan out over abit, but unfortunately not found a place to post yet!

Can someone put a single post about why dusterhan is so scummy. Include quotes, and attacks made on him please. I can't make much of it

[-TinVision-]

Phoenix, there's a difference between random voting and blatant/baseless bandwagoning. If I post that I'm voting for someone because of a silly or arbitrary reason, that is pretty much the same as going to random.org and generating a random number and voting for the corresponding person.

On the other hand, voting someone who already has multiple votes and obfuscating your reasoning later with a "I was just going with the flow... or was I?" brings us closer to a quick lynch and confuses everyone about whether it is a random vote or not.

Note that I have no reason to think that dusterhan is scum at this point. In fact, given my experience in Newbie #361, I've gotten a strong newb town vibe. All I am saying is that his behavior is not pro-town, and that he should rectify that.

[Sephiroth]

Can someone put a single post about why dusterhan is so scummy. Include quotes, and attacks made on him please. I can't make much of it

I would prefer that you read the thread and decide for yourself who is scum. Duster has posted twice and I found both posts suspicious. That is as much of a case as I'm going to make at this point, because I have no intention of voting him based on that alone. Though your attempt to get a gift wrapped reason to jump on a (dying) wagon is noted.

I agree that dusterhan needs to stop acting absurd

What? You FoSed dusterhan because your games were slow and you random voted Knuck saying you wanted to fight him... TBH you the one acting the most absurd. And I agree with Nekka that the random voting stage is important. So

Unvote; FoS: -TinVision-

Likewise, SP's defense of Dusterhan is noted. This post is suspect, because you call a random vote absurd. I will agree with you that the FoS "because the game is slow" is odd.

[Nekka-Lucifer]

No... I meant that I didn't understand it and so if the people suspecting him would give reasons to why he is being suspected, then I can make up my mind about him. Personally, I don't see anything that striking

[SilverPhoenix]

IMO, you really one get one random vote, not three and a FoS. Hopping for no real reason is confusing in the early game to all players and I felt he warranted his FoS on himself.

[SilverPhoenix]

EBWOP: the first "one" is meant to be "only"

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TinVision's vote on Knuck stood out to me, too. He'd already voted SilverPoenix, then unvoted before placing his new vote on Knuck. Was there something about Knuck that made him a better random vote? If so, this would seem to defeat the notion that Tin's votes were actually

random

at all.

This is compounded by Tin's FOS on dusterhan. Again, he's claimed that this is 'random', but provided a 'joke' for an explanation.

I also noted this posts:

Vote stands til Knuck posts something of content.

It seems superfluous. Almost like an attempt to legitimise his change of vote. Knuck had already been named as a a player who had not said much, so there was no need to single him out in particular. No one had yet bought attention to Tin's vote, and when Poenix did, Tin suggested that it was as good as a random vote.

I disagree with this in two ways. Firstly, random.org/dice roll will give you a truly random vote, no strings attached. Even by giving a jokey reason for your post, you open up the possibility that the vote actually

isn't

random but has a particular motive behind it. Secondly, Tin's vote clearly

wasn't

random. He even implicitly admitted this when he noted that he was using his vote to get Knuck to speak, and the fact that he changed his vote to Knuck brings its randomness further into question. Yet TinVision says his vote IS random, or as good as.

Sounding like lies to me.

Unvote
Vote: -TinVision-

And,

FOS: Sephiroth

For spinning words so well. First Nekka's then SilverPheonix's (though I may agree that you didn't have to spin so much with Nekka). Also, in light of my analysis, I find the fact that he called Tin's votes random suspicious.

[destructor]

EBWOP: "Even by giving a jokey reason for your

vote

...

and apologies for mispelling "Phoenix" twice. =D

[Sephiroth]

And,

FOS: Sephiroth

For spinning words so well. First Nekka's then SilverPheonix's (though I may agree that you didn't have to spin so much with Nekka). Also, in light of my analysis, I find the fact that he called Tin's votes random suspicious.

Hrm. Could you elaborate some? It seems to me that you agree with me on both of my points...and I'm not sure what you mean by "spinning words". I'm interested in discovering why it is suspicious.