Gistou (Over!)

[Salt Squad]

Wayward Thinker - 8 (

dramonic

,

Tim

, rb,

Salt Squad

, davesaz,

Heartless

, Nosferatu,

BBMolla

)

There im coloring my townreads on the wagon.
I usually have a hard time scumreading people, which is why i usually operate by townhunting, making it hard to me to find accurate townreads in multiball, one of the reasons i singed here was to try to overcome that weakness but it isnt going very well so far ^^;;

Wayward Thinker - 8 (

dramonic

,

Tim

, rb,

Salt Squad

, davesaz,

Heartless

,

Nosferatu

,

BBMolla

)

here let me help you Luna

[Salt Squad]

~Bee

[Luna Fox]

Thing is im townreading WT because that felt like town frustration, and i dont like voting ppl im townreading.

[Titus]

Nor do I. I am not 100% on WT town, and they feel more Sudoken like as time passes. I still think they are town, but what are we willing to risk here? This is far from my first rodeo with joint wagons. Pretty soon apathy sets in among the smaller wagon out of the face off. Then the larger one. No one talks because we cannot meet in the middle.

No one will crack this day 1.

[Wake1]

@Everyone

When Titus is Town, is she more calm and passive... or aggressive and stubborn?

[Wake1]

Because I am no better than everyone else. They can be right and I can be wrong. The game is going on long enough. Decisions have to be made.

...

...

...

[Heartless]

Shut up dram.
I feel like his frustration is genuine.

So do I, but I still think he's scum.

^^

the lq meta point i think titus (and someone way earlier, i forgot who) is attempting to make is kinda baffling me, b/c i get that he has a wacky style i saw it in strangercoug's game but comparatively his stuff here looks downright tame. i'm not seeing anything way out in left field

[Expedience]

VOTE: Klingoncelt

[Klingoncelt]

You're a cruel bastard.

I'm sure I am. I don't really like how you are name calling here to gain sympathy like I'm somehow being mean to you for suggesting that you are scum. Its mafia, I'm scumhunting. Like I said earlier maybe you going V/LA and being mafia were just a coincidence. I don't know whats gong on, if you are sick or whatever is going on I hope you feel better or the problem fixes itself.

However

I have serious reservation about your slot. You sorta cherry picked my review of your iso. I don't understand why you pushed for an Exe lynch with the reasoning that it would help you read Titus when you were already town reading her. And I'm not sure why you didn't address this unless you are flat out ignoring things and hoping they go away.

Your post about me not listing WT as a town or scum read is balls and totes ignores the fact that said list did NOT contain several players so it feels off and scummy.

I'm not trying to gain anyone's sympathy.

If you knew anything about my private life you'd know better than to say that.

Speaking of private life, I checked everywhere that I could think of, there's no rule that compels players to disclose why they're V/LA. That you're so interested in my whereabouts, I have to think you're stalking.

You're either stalking me or accusing me of cheating.

Both offenses can get you banned.

You should be policy lynched at the very least, Creep.

Beyond that I don't give a flying fuck, a rat's ass, or a tinker's damn how you feel about my slot.

VOTE: No Retreat

[Klingoncelt]

These two things conflict. You say you know that these three people are Scum, which is lawl, cuz I think we are all town, but before that you say "don't expect to be impressed before day 3." So either your reads are shit here and you are telling the truth about having a good game by day 3 or you're reads are right (but they aren't) and you are impressing us right now with your for sure scum reads day 1. So which is it? Should we trust your Scum reads now or are these reads shit now?

You're right.

I usually can't get it together until Day 3.

But once in a while, it's like it was handed to me on a silver platter.

You, Expedience, and No Retreat have interacted as a team. A Scum team.

I am 100% sure of this.

You guys here that? She's 100% sure.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

I want this dead more than anything right now.

I bet you do, Scum.

[Expedience]

Unfazed

[Klingoncelt]

Not liking you more Klingon. This looks like you are picking a lot of low hanging fruit and bundling it together.
Furthermore if you think Titus is scum then in your world she is either A) bussing Kuroi which is not Titus scum meta. Titus would probably not bus in D1 28 player multiball. Or B) You have a scum team with Titus, no Retreat, WT, and Expedience. Titus wouldn't risk so little interaction with WT and No Retreat as scum. Or C) Titus is on a third scum team. This is unlikely as mod confirmed 5 factions. Luna is probably on one with this "win with humans" stuff same with BBMolla. This means likely at most two scum teams and maybe a cult faction.

So the world you are pitching I don't think can exist and somewhere your reads are wrong. It just becomes a matter of why and I think it is to butter people up.

Now I know my post has a lot of "if then else" in it and we can see which but I completely understand that certain things will change those associatives and make the game clearer.

My read on Titus isn't solid.

My read on Expedience, No Retreat, and Wayward Thinker is.

[Wake1]

Guys, may I please have your input on 3330?

[Titus]

Shut up dram.
I feel like his frustration is genuine.

So do I, but I still think he's scum.

^^

the lq meta point i think titus (and someone way earlier, i forgot who) is attempting to make is kinda baffling me, b/c i get that he has a wacky style i saw it in strangercoug's game but comparatively his stuff here looks downright tame. i'm not seeing anything way out in left field

Not the point I made. I feel WT is town because I see good content and the absence of what is scum WT. I just am not balls to the wall ready to against half my townreads when its based on weak feels.

[Klingoncelt]

Don't think Nero would of forgotten WT if WT was his buddy. Is that what you're implying? I'm not really sure what you're implying.

It depends on how one lists players in their notes.

One wouldn't have to list Scummates because one already knows their alignment. But one would be careful to list other players.

So yeah, it's possible for two teammates to each leave a teammate off their list.

[Klingoncelt]

I have changed my mind on Kuroi and Expedience. I still have Kuroi on my Scum list, but

he''s not paired with Expedience, WT, and No Retreat.

He's on a different team.

Kuroi still looks like the counterwagon to Wayward.

VOTE: Vote: Wayward Thinker[/vote ]

this

And how the fuck can you have Kuroi on your scum list if you're saying this?

You're just making it up as you go along.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

I really wonder what goes on in that head of yours.

Who me?

Or Expedience?

[Wayward Thinker]

Shut up dram.
I feel like his frustration is genuine.

So do I, but I still think he's scum.

^^

the lq meta point i think titus (and someone way earlier, i forgot who) is attempting to make is kinda baffling me, b/c i get that he has a wacky style i saw it in strangercoug's game but comparatively his stuff here looks downright tame. i'm not seeing anything way out in left field

Not the point I made. I feel WT is town because I see good content and the absence of what is scum WT. I just am not balls to the wall ready to against half my townreads when its based on weak feels.

Honestly, I don't think I can blame you for that. Even if I didn't know a thing about you I would prolly be Town reading you for this post.

[Klingoncelt]

... my VLA starts soon.

Hopefully no one will accuse you of going V/LA so you can cheat in the game.

[Wayward Thinker]

These two things conflict. You say you know that these three people are Scum, which is lawl, cuz I think we are all town, but before that you say "don't expect to be impressed before day 3." So either your reads are shit here and you are telling the truth about having a good game by day 3 or you're reads are right (but they aren't) and you are impressing us right now with your for sure scum reads day 1. So which is it? Should we trust your Scum reads now or are these reads shit now?

You're right.

I usually can't get it together until Day 3.

But once in a while, it's like it was handed to me on a silver platter.

You, Expedience, and No Retreat have interacted as a team. A Scum team.

I am 100% sure of this.

You guys here that? She's 100% sure.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

I want this dead more than anything right now.

I bet you do, Scum.

You are Scum. there are plenty of reasons to think so as well. Doing pre-flip, saying you have a Scum team nailed on top of saying "don't expect much from me until day 3" yeah, just not gunna buy that.

[Wayward Thinker]

You're a cruel bastard.

I'm sure I am. I don't really like how you are name calling here to gain sympathy like I'm somehow being mean to you for suggesting that you are scum. Its mafia, I'm scumhunting. Like I said earlier maybe you going V/LA and being mafia were just a coincidence. I don't know whats gong on, if you are sick or whatever is going on I hope you feel better or the problem fixes itself.

However

I have serious reservation about your slot. You sorta cherry picked my review of your iso. I don't understand why you pushed for an Exe lynch with the reasoning that it would help you read Titus when you were already town reading her. And I'm not sure why you didn't address this unless you are flat out ignoring things and hoping they go away.

Your post about me not listing WT as a town or scum read is balls and totes ignores the fact that said list did NOT contain several players so it feels off and scummy.

I'm not trying to gain anyone's sympathy.

If you knew anything about my private life you'd know better than to say that.

Speaking of private life, I checked everywhere that I could think of, there's no rule that compels players to disclose why they're V/LA. That you're so interested in my whereabouts, I have to think you're stalking.

You're either stalking me or accusing me of cheating.

Both offenses can get you banned.

You should be policy lynched at the very least, Creep.

Beyond that I don't give a flying fuck, a rat's ass, or a tinker's damn how you feel about my slot.

VOTE: No Retreat

So... is this a PL or do you think NR is Scummy for these reasons? Its not clear.

[Wayward Thinker]

@Everyone

When Titus is Town, is she more calm and passive... or aggressive and stubborn?

She is a bit more passive as Scum I think. aggressive and stubborn is totally Town!Titus.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon : I believe 2804 is correct, and you never made any post connecting Expedience to Kuroi. What do you mean when you say you changed your mind about them, given that you had never shared an opinion regarding a connection between those slots?

-Cerb

When I see players as scummy, I tend to lump them all into one basket, at first.

Usually it's Day 3 before I can get everyone somewhat sorted and separated, and get my if/then's organized.

I saw them both as Scum, and auto-lumped them together at first.

I'm still not nuts about Kuroi, but he's higher up the food chain that Expedience and those other two.

[Klingoncelt]

It means that I liked Klingoncelt's confidence this game (that's why I was initially townreading her). But I checked her ISO in BLOODBORNE MAFIA, a recently completed game in which Klingoncelt was scum, and saw similar kinds of posting.

Whut?

Lemme get this straight, as Town I'm supposed to be confident, but as Scum I'm supposed to be something else?

I don't have Multiple Personality Disorder, I'm me no matter what alignment I roll.

Outside of year 1 noobs, most players are consistent.

[Heartless]

I'm not trying to gain anyone's sympathy.

If you knew anything about my private life you'd know better than to say that.

Speaking of private life, I checked everywhere that I could think of, there's no rule that compels players to disclose why they're V/LA. That you're so interested in my whereabouts, I have to think you're stalking.

You're either stalking me or accusing me of cheating.

Both offenses can get you banned.

You should be policy lynched at the very least, Creep.

Beyond that I don't give a flying fuck, a rat's ass, or a tinker's damn how you feel about my slot.

VOTE: No Retreat

/low groan

if you're scumreading wayward why arent you voting them?

[Klingoncelt]

What I am getting is that rude Kling is more likely to be town Kling, that is likely what she means about Titus lying about her meta.

Maybe? She wasn't very rude in BLOODBORNE MAFIA, but she was at times kind of snappy / blunt in a way that I would usually associate with town. I did find a counterexample in another game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p7455498.

I wasn't being rude there, I was being annoyed.

Not

alignment

indicative.