Dice Random Voting

[Trojan Horse]

I wonder how ABR would've voted if the die came up a 1.

Probably would've voted the same way

[The Fonz]

I think voting for someone based on who they choose to randomly vote because it *might* not actually be random is retarded. Therefore, until someone comes up with a reasonable replacement for the random voting stage to start off a game, I'm going to keep using dice to start off the game.

It is mildly scummy to vote with dice because the "Don't vote with dice" meta helps the town.

How?

[Prof. Guppy]

Whether it's arbitrary, or truly random, random voting is always useless.

A:

Vote: B

B: OMG why are you voting for me?
A: No reason, it's a random vote.
B: Oh, okay.
(50 years of silence)

I rest my case.

[Simenon]

Whether it's arbitrary, or truly random, random voting is always useless.

A:

Vote: B

B: OMG why are you voting for me?
A: No reason, it's a random vote.
B: Oh, okay.
(50 years of silence)

I rest my case.

No.

[Yosarian2]

Whether it's arbitrary, or truly random, random voting is always useless.

No, arbitrary voting at the start of day 1 isn't totally useless. Will a mafia member arbitrarily vote his scum-buddy, or not? Will you vote for the same person the last guy random voted, or vote someone with no votes on him? Pro-town roles with some information (masons, cops, ect), will vote slightly-better-then-random. Or you might want to vote someone at the start of day 1 for meta reasons, or because you expect them to react, or because of something about their playstyle, or whatever. It's not much, but arbitrary voting can start the game rolling because it does start to involve choices and behavior that can give (subtle and obscure) clues to someone else's alignment; purely and provably random votes won't.

That being said, it's good to switch it up a bit. Sometimes I "random" vote (almost never really random, of course), sometimes I random vote in my second post or something, sometimes I don't vote, and sometimes I manage to find some minor scumtell-like-thing in the second post and go after that with my vote instead.

[Seol]

Random voting isn't the issue here, sometimes you don't always have a reason and if your vote

is

arbitrary, it's not necessary to make up a "joke reason". Dice tags are different, you're saying in public "here is my vote which I

guarantee

has no basis for reasoning behind it and is therefore meaningless". It's distancing yourself from your actions before you've even taken them.

[Yosarian2]

I agree with Seol.

[Grek]

How?

Voting using dice makes for less discussion because people can just claim it was how the dice came up. Discussion is good for the town, less discussion is good for scum. Doing something that is bad for town and good for scum is scummy.

[Adele]

I agree with Seol.

I agree with Yosarian2

[somestrangeflea]

Doing something that is bad for town and good for scum is scummy.

I'm having difficulty deciding whether to post this or this...

[Seol]

Doing something that is bad for town and good for scum is scummy.

I'm having difficulty deciding whether to post this or this...

Except it's not necessarily true.

[somestrangeflea]

Doing something that is bad for town and good for scum is scummy.

I'm having difficulty deciding whether to post this or this...

Except it's not necessarily true.

I know, I know...
[/arrogancerepentance]
[/fakebbtags]

[Thesp]

Random voting isn't the issue here, sometimes you don't always have a reason and if your vote

is

arbitrary, it's not necessary to make up a "joke reason". Dice tags are different, you're saying in public "here is my vote which I

guarantee

has no basis for reasoning behind it and is therefore meaningless". It's distancing yourself from your actions before you've even taken them.

Agreed - sometimes you can get a sense (albeit a slight one) of someone's townness/scumness based on how they random vote at the beginning. (Most frequently, it's a sense of town-likeliness.) Dice voting prevents this potential read, and it is decidedly anti-town to negate a possible (even if slight) town read on yourself.

[IH]

How much are you going to actually decide on their alignment on the end of day one based on if they gave a joke reason, or if they used dice? Personally, even if I'm scum I have not motive if I vote. I usually just pick a name I like or don't like if I don't know anyone in the game.

ect ect.

[Grek]

If they put a second vote on someone or vote for someone with no votes is a bit of a clue. Also allowes for some minor distancing by voting for eachother.

[Seol]

How much are you going to actually decide on their alignment on the end of day one based on if they gave a joke reason, or if they used dice?

Who said end of day 1? It's relevant to the

beginning

of day 1, when you're looking for something - anything - of substance, regardless of magnitude, to kickstart discussion.

Nine times out of ten, the point that was originally raised is irrelevant to the eventual substance of a day 1 argument. That doesn't mean that original point was unimportant, or shouldn't have been raised.

Personally, even if I'm scum I have not motive if I vote. I usually just pick a name I like or don't like if I don't know anyone in the game.

You have factors which influence your decision (considerably moreso if you're scum). That alone means it's more useful than a randomly generated vote.

[Oman]

Dice voting is good.

If someone dice votes, I wagon on that vote. If they don't, I wagon somewhere else.

Whats the problem? Random votes don't do shit, random wagons do!

[Brother Fingers]

Dice-voting is absolutly pointless, since you may as well not have voted. On another forum, I "randomly" lynched one of my mafia buddies (He was an idiot and would probably give us away, but that's beside the point.) which later gave me away as mafia. Dice-voting doesn't give anything away, other than perhaps an eagerness to get the day over with.

[Mr. Flay]

I will vote dice-voters from now on.

[gorckat]

I will vote dice-voters from now on.

Me, too.

I have Seol's post 30 linked in my Notes for reference, and I'll add IH's and Seol's response for Fair and Balanced coverage.

[bigAl]

I will vote dice-voters from now on.

This sounds like a good idea - if we can get enough people together to lynch dice voters, then it will turn into something as commonly accepted as lynch all liars.

[Thesp]

Dice voting is good.

...

Whats the problem? Random votes don't do shit,

I don't think you've been reading, and/or you have yet to grasp the subtle nuances of mafia tells and townie tells.