Mafia 74: Minimally Flavoured - Game over!

[OhGodMyLife]

Unvote, Vote: Mills

Like I already said, waiting for DS to at least say something in his defense before you bring out this rhetoric against him would be a good idea. I'm really uncomfortable with the way you're talking about going after him at this stage in the game for what you perceive to be bad play in other games.

egruntz is trying very hard to be helpful to the town.

Sometimes a player that appears to be trying too hard to help the town, actually

is

trying to help the town. I get the feeling this is the case with Egruntz.

QFT. I imagine egruntz is trying to use his mind and his vote to help the town in the way he thinks is best. It just so happens he has a different view of how day one should go down from the majority here.

[Mills]

I'm not sure if I have chimed in on the egruntz issue (I believe I haven't), but I get a pro-town vibe from him personally.

[Xylthixlm]

egruntz is trying very hard to be helpful to the town.

Sometimes a player that appears to be trying too hard to help the town, actually

is

trying to help the town. I get the feeling this is the case with Egruntz. There has been much make of his seeming "newness", yet he tells us he has played before. Mafia playing up newbie tells to gain a bit of FoI is ploy that has been used before.

Currently my highest suspicions are Disciple Slayer and Egruntz.

So in summary: You think egruntz really is trying to help the town, but you also think he might be mafia.

[liamcool]

Sometimes when two players take opposing veiws other players assume that one MUST be a mafia and one MUST be innocent.

You forgot the possibility they might both be mafia and appear to have differing opinions in order to distance themselves from each other.

Unvote

Vote: Disciple Slayer

the Village Idiot

I refer you to his generally unhelpful posts in this thread and this game (http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6636) where he manages to also be a retard. Also he seems to be lynched a lot on Day One so let's not break the trend!

This is jumping out at me. The way a player plays in one game doesn't neccesarily reflect the way they play in another. Someone who is very aggressive in one game might take a backseat in another. I would throw a vote on, but DS is admittedly playing fairly stupidly for now, just randomly throwing votes on people for the sake of "bandwagoning". This might be as a result of the Chrissie holidays but it is still just plain annoying when you're trying to get a hold on who is mafia.

FOS: Mills

FOS: DS

[liamcool]

Bah, my tags are awful. The first thing in that post is a quote from Snaps, the first thing in quotes is my comment, and the thing under Mills is Mills' quote. Apologies.

[Xylthixlm]

Fixed:

Sometimes when two players take opposing veiws other players assume that one MUST be a mafia and one MUST be innocent.

You forgot the possibility they might both be mafia and appear to have differing opinions in order to distance themselves from each other.

Unvote

Vote: Disciple Slayer

the Village Idiot

I refer you to his generally unhelpful posts in this thread and this game (http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6636) where he manages to also be a retard. Also he seems to be lynched a lot on Day One so let's not break the trend!

This is jumping out at me. The way a player plays in one game doesn't neccesarily reflect the way they play in another. Someone who is very aggressive in one game might take a backseat in another. I would throw a vote on, but DS is admittedly playing fairly stupidly for now, just randomly throwing votes on people for the sake of "bandwagoning". This might be as a result of the Chrissie holidays but it is still just plain annoying when you're trying to get a hold on who is mafia.

FOS: Mills

FOS: DS

[Snaps_the_Pirate]

egruntz is trying very hard to be helpful to the town.

Sometimes a player that appears to be trying too hard to help the town, actually

is

trying to help the town. I get the feeling this is the case with Egruntz. There has been much make of his seeming "newness", yet he tells us he has played before. Mafia playing up newbie tells to gain a bit of FoI is ploy that has been used before.

Currently my highest suspicions are Disciple Slayer and Egruntz.

So in summary: You think egruntz really is trying to help the town, but you also think he might be mafia.

Fair enough, that post does seem to be saying two differnt things. We start the game knowing only are own status. (Assuming towieness) There fore everyone else is viewed with the same amount of suspicion. As the game progresses our suspicion of certain players raises or falls based on what we read. Being day one, everyone seems normaly suspicious, except Disciple Slayer who I am very highly suspicious of, and Egruntz who has only a wee bit more suspicion because he MAY be playing up newbie tells, but I am not convinced he is. Basicly what I was trying to say is that I feel he really is tring to help the town, but his actions bear watching. What I should have said in the above post is:

My highest suspicion is Disciple Slayer, and I will be keeping a close eye on Egruntz to see is he continues to play the clueless newbie

[egruntz]

I'd like to point out that just because I'm new to this site, doesn't mean I haven't played this game before. Sure, other sites discourage the act of not lynching on the first day as well; it's just what I

personally

think is best. As I've said before, lynching could easily go against the town.

However, seeing that intelligent and interesting discussion has stirred, I don't feel that there's a reason to vote for no lynch

at this point

. I was simply stating that no lynching is a good option (imo) if we don't get any valuable information out of the first day.

[Dark Ermac]

I'm not sure whether to vote for Disciple Slayer for saying something I found completely ridiculous in an earlier game (ie. he's either scum which is bad for us or he's a liability in general as town which is bad for us) or to vote for Dark Ermac for saying

"Consider it this way.In any mafia game where the mafia aren't retarded, there's going to be a townie lynched on the first day. We might as well random vote rather than not vote at all."

which suggests that he is happy with a completely random lynching on Day One (ie. he's either scum which is bad for us or he's a liability in general as town which is bad for us).

Oh, the great quandaries of Mafia!

Normally a townie is lynched on the first day, except in the case of this mafia, where I can find a couple people worthy to lynch. The point is, even if they are townie, and get lynched, it won't secure the win for the mafia, but it will check off another name on our list of suspicious people. Eventually I may come up with such a list, but for now I will see what goes on next.

[curiouskarmadog]

Please quit referencing on going games...I assume everyone read the global rules, right?

[Elias_the_thief]

The Fourth Official Flavorless Votecount:

Snaps the pirate - 2

(Thedragonsprincess, liamcool)

The Fonz - 2

(panzerjager, Disciple Slayer)

egruntz - 1

(Xylthixlm)

Bookitty - 1

(the fonz)

Disciple Slayer - 1

(Mills)

Mills - 1

(OhGodMyLife)

liamcool - 0

panzerjager - 0

Thedragonsprincess - 0

OhGodMyLife - 0

MariucciFamily - 0

Sangy - 0

Xylthixlm - 0

curiouskarmadog - 0

Phate - 0

SensFan - 0

Dark Ermac - 0

patch15 - 0

Nobody - 9

(egruntz, Bookitty, MariucciFamily, Sangy, curiouskarmadog, Phate, SensFan, Dark Ermac, patch15)

With 18 alive, it will take 10 to lynch.

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The votecounts will from now on be done in this fashion to give the players a more complete sense of the game as well as make my job much easier. No, you can not lynch "Nobody".

[Disciple Slayer]

I did a quick reread, and I'm not happy with how Bookitty jumped on egruntz for mentioning the term "No Lynch". egruntz wasn't really pushing for one, he just mentioned it. It seems like the sort of thing scum would do on day one: push for a mislynch on someone for nothing at all, really. So therefore,

UNVOTE

VOTE: BOOKITTY

[Xylthixlm]

Bandwagoning is a null tell until we know some alignments.

[Xylthixlm]

By the way, where did the other votes on egruntz go?

[Elias_the_thief]

Unvote

Vote: Disciple Slayer

the Village Idiot

I refer you to his generally unhelpful posts in this thread and this game *EDITTED OUT* where he manages to also be a retard. Also he seems to be lynched a lot on Day One so let's not break the trend!

This may be entirely my fault, as by some slip of the mind I forgot to include in the game rules that referencing ongoing games is strictly forbidden. I am also aware you made another post quoting yourself. Do not make any more posts referencing any ongoing game, or I will be forced to modkill you.

[Disciple Slayer]

Thank you, Elias. We need to keep these idiots in line.

[Mills]

LOLOLOLOL BURNT

[Disciple Slayer]

Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to present Exhibit A: numbskull at work.

LOLOLOLOL BURNT

These lesser individuals are quite fond of the word "lol" and have a habit of chaining them one after the other, in capital letters. Excessive use of "lol" is a clear sign of inferior mental capabilities. We really can't do much other than pity the fools.

[Mills]

Help, I'm being trolled.

[The Fonz]

I stated this:

In addition, if the only reason for a vote, in your view, is to cause someone to be lynched, that's a pretty odd belief in itself. I don't agree at all, and I doubt many players who engage in scumhunting tactics would agree either.

In response to this:

Surely. Do you think that the only use of a vote is to cause someone to be lynched?

Surely.

Ah my bad. That's a messed up quotation, I guessed I musta somehow quoted you twice and left that one word undeleted somehow. My response was simply the question. I can totally see how you drew that conclusion now. I was really pissed at what i saw as being attacked for an argument that wasn't mine. My defence of egruntz was not based on agreeing with him, but on not believing him to be scum trying to gain an advantage by forwarding the ideas he was.

I

don't

believe the only reason to vote is to lynch. I never have. Though without the ultimate threat of lynch behind it, a 'pressure' vote is pretty worthless. (I've been attacked from both sides on this in the past- from the 'there are reasons to vote other than to lynch' and the 'claiming not to desire the lynch of someone you're voting is fundamentally dishonest' crowds. Contra to your argument above, I've seen significant support for both amongst MS vets, but that's by the by).

[Xylthixlm]

DS and Mills, stop fighting each other and vote egruntz.

[OhGodMyLife]

Xylthixlm, any reason for your desire to always be bandwagoning somebody?

[Xylthixlm]

We have a fixed deadline and I really don't want to rush a lynch in the last week before it hits.

[Bookitty]

These questions open to anyone:

Do you feel egruntz' comments more reflect on his inexperience on this particular site, or on his probable alignment?

@Disciple Slayer: Why were you voting for The Fonz, when your later post and vote argues that you agreed with his reasoning?

[Xylthixlm]

Oh, and I'm also really curious to see if DS and/or Mills will do what I tell them.