Mini 617 - Scottish Mafia, Game Over

[starkmoon]

Could I request that no matter how annoyed you get, you don't swear. I am pretty sure there is no age limit to joining this site, and many parents prefer that thier children are not exposed to such language.

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[Cephrir]

You've been making these two points against me all day: One, that all people who assume three scum are always scum, and two, that I assumed three scum. How in the hell can you claim those two points to be true without also concluding that I am 100% scum? What other possible conclusion can you derive from those two points?

Stop being intentionally dense.

And to any townie giving so much as a modicum of serious thought to the "anger = scumtell" non-logic, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY MAFIA. Of god damn course I'm upset at the prospect of my lynch! My lynch decreases my chances of winning, re****inggardless of my role!

Yes, but scum are likely to get pissy if they get caught for reasons they think are stupid. And sometimes those reasons

are

stupid. I know, I've done it.

[dcorbe]

dcorbe, next time you say that nobody is trying to lynch the guy who's been wagoned to lynch-2, go dunk your head in cold water and realign your conceptions of reality. i for one never vote for someone outside of random voting that I don't want to see lynched.

Maybe "nobody" is a bad choice of word, but you obviously don't wagon for information much if you don't understand the difference between a vote with intent to lynch and a vote with intent to pressure.

I now know that having tunnel vision is more of a play style thing with you than a tell but quick lynches are bad. Maybe you need to be wagoned a few more times yourself before you're going to realize that.

[Lowell]

You've been making these two points against me all day: One, that all people who assume three scum are always scum, and two, that I assumed three scum. How in the hell can you claim those two points to be true without also concluding that I am 100% scum? What other possible conclusion can you derive from those two points?

Stop being intentionally dense.

And to any townie giving so much as a modicum of serious thought to the "anger = scumtell" non-logic, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY MAFIA. Of god damn course I'm upset at the prospect of my lynch! My lynch decreases my chances of winning, re****inggardless of my role!

Yes, but scum are likely to get pissy if they get caught for reasons they think are stupid. And sometimes those reasons

are

stupid. I know, I've done it.

Agree 100% with bolded part.

[Cybele]

You've been making these two points against me all day: One, that all people who assume three scum are always scum, and two, that I assumed three scum. How in the hell can you claim those two points to be true without also concluding that I am 100% scum? What other possible conclusion can you derive from those two points?

And also, since you brought up past games, I should point out that in MY experience, 100% of the people that have been called out for knowing how many scum there were in a closed setup have been scum.

I'm not saying it's a bulletproof tell--- indeed, the sample size is too small

--- but it's been fairly reliable thus far!

Seriously. This is not true. Read the bold to kuribo's post.

FoS Erratus

dcorbe's q21 vote is OMGUSy and not particularly well-founded. His EA vote was actually based on a tell, not an "anti-scumhunting attitude", even if EA's "slip-up" isn't the greatest tell ever.

And I just can't see why dcorbe would jump it so quickly. Dcorbe, why did you vote q21? Did you think him to be more likely to be scum?

[Erratus Apathos]

Could I request that no matter how annoyed you get, you don't swear. I am pretty sure there is no age limit to joining this site, and many parents prefer that thier children are not exposed to such language.

I'm sorry, I simply cannot continue the current conversation using shall we say pleasant language. Please replace me.

[kuribo]

I'm sorry, I simply cannot continue the current conversation using shall we say pleasant language. Please replace me.

:rolleyes:

[starkmoon]

Request for replacement in. Sorry guys.

[Empking]

I find it hard to believe that you'd ask to be replaced just because you can't swear. I still think Dcorbe is more likely and that the original argument was terrible, absolutely terrible, but he quickly rose on my scumdar.

[kuribo]

See, I think that a guy that finds himself backed into a corner from which he cannot extract himself--- and then asks for a replacement--- is far more likely to be scum.

This is a game where, at its core, we basically argue over who's lying, so to get all irritable just because someone thinks YOU'RE the one lying, maybe mafia isn't the game for you.

[Cephrir]

Wow, that is incredibly immature of you, EA.

[roflcopter]

unvote

i'm trying to decide if that replacement request is a towntell or a scumtell. i've never been replaced so i have no frame of reference.

in the meantime i'm not going to lynch the empty player slot

[dcorbe]

*sigh*

Let's hear what his replacement has to say *grumbles*.

[kuribo]

"I have no counter-argument so I quit" is one of my biggest pet peeves on this site.

[CoheedCambria09]

Ok, back from the parties and readt to post

EA- wow, he got extremely angry over having that bandwagon on him for his 3-scum tell. 1) I wouldnt be suspicious of him if he had kept his anger at being bandwagon controlled, and gave good reasonsd as to why he shouldnt be lynched, a townie who gets BW day one usually does get mad, but 2) he got too mad, so I'm thinking he's scum, that, and the fact the he decided to get replaced instead of not swearing and just claiming his role. That makes me think he has a role he doesnt want to claim.

Waiting to see the replacement.

[roflcopter]

i'm still in support oF a lynch of erratus/replacement at this point, but its unsportsmanlike to lynch the replacement before he even arrives. perhaps he can be more civil and give us a new perspective.

[starkmoon]

Still looking for a replacement..

[massive]

Let's relieve the mod of the pressure of replacing our current lynch target and just lynch him.

[Cephrir]

It's tempting. If only he could claim somehow.

[CoheedCambria09]

I know, is there anyway the mod can claim for him, or get him to come back just to claim?

[Lowell]

"I have no counter-argument so I quit" is one of my biggest pet peeves on this site.

I very much agree.

And to answer whoever's question it was: it's a scumtell. He's scum, got caught for a "bad" reason, and now wants to quit and go home so he doesn't feel like a loser.

Let's get our lynch on, save the replacement for someone who'll remain alive.

[kuribo]

I agree somewhat, but then I've always hated "pausing" the game to wait for replacement, especially when one leaves just because they're acting like a baby.

[massive]

And I think it's very suspicious to see two people demand roleclaims from Erratus before being willing to lynch him ... especially CC09, who isn't voting for him at this time.

[roflcopter]

i believe lowell is right about erratus' quit being a scumtell.

and that we should just lynch him instead of making some poor replacement read up and then get lynched.

vote: erratus apathos

[Lowell]

^^^^ smart

We need one more, I think.