Newbie 2114: Life Imitates Art...in Memes! -- End

[Kanna]

wait pls no, i'm onto something elpis

[Elpis]

Actually perhaps not...we have a lot of time and want to be certain...sorry, drunk brain isn't thinking enough

[Elpis]

Yeah no worries I wouldn't vote unless you agreed

[patchwork]

are you scumclaiming? bewo is on e-1 and the game is still ongoing, we would've hammered LONG AGO

unless you're scum toying with me
wait shit it's probably dragon/bewo

[patchwork]

yeah im just tinfoiling here lmao

[Kanna]

dragon/patch -- i did think this very likely before, but i don't anymore. since elpis you and i did not hammer bewo on e-1, we are confirmed not to be scum with dragon. bewo is also very unlikely to be scum with dragon due to interactions. in the event dragon is limmed and flips scum, his partner is very obviously patch. so that means the only way a dragon/patch team wins if we lim bewo. HOWEVER seeing how strongly i was pushing for dragon, do they really put all their eggs into 1 basket and bank on me not being able to convince you to vote dragon? that seems like a massive risk and i don't think scum would ever put themselves in that kind of position.

maybe i was thinking too much and this isn't something that people actually plan out during elo? %_%
i think the key might be to solve dragon's slot who i'm willing to consider is town. so maybe we wait for the replacement?

[Kanna]

i am still leaning towards bewo/patch though

[bewolkt]

i think i gave bewo too much credit for doing the bare minimum tbh. in general, i am more likely to fos stronger players due to paranoia if people with a low-post playstyle aren't pinging me too much. but that doesn't mean i am more likely to be right that way.

in a vacuum, it's not like bewo has towntold enough that he couldn't be scum

i think yeah, dragon's case was too nitpicky because he was trying too hard to be convincing that it actually made bewo look better, however what dragon did still makes sense as town because he already knew bewo was scum. i would rule this 1v1 out as being particularly conclusive either way.

the scumteams

dragon/patch -- i did think this very likely before, but i don't anymore. since elpis you and i did not hammer bewo on e-1, we are confirmed not to be scum with dragon. bewo is also very unlikely to be scum with dragon due to interactions. in the event dragon is limmed and flips scum, his partner is very obviously patch. so that means the only way a dragon/patch team wins if we lim bewo. HOWEVER seeing how strongly i was pushing for dragon, do they really put all their eggs into 1 basket and bank on me not being able to convince you to vote dragon? that seems like a massive risk and i don't think scum would ever put themselves in that kind of position.

dragon/bewo -- very very unlikely due to interactions. that d1 readlist debacle, dragon's super willingness to lim them at other points during the game, and today's 1v1 are genuine to be staged. if it was, then cool, they deserve the win, but i won't vote them just for to that 1% probability.

patch/bewo -- this is probably what's happening. objectively speaking, these two have contributed the least today and a very likely explanation is that they're scum who are happy with the way town is eating itself. this is also really pingy

Would you guys be willing to vote Dragon? I also feel quite unsure of any solve but out of all possible scumpairs that I’m considering Dragon is in most of them

Can we vote Kanna they’re more influency

in both cases, dragon and i presented our scumteams and said that we'd be fine voting for either. in a patch/bewo world, i can definitely see these quotes being a way to subtly push the vote onto a townie instead of their partner for a faster win. the reasons themselves are very vague -- bewo's being "most of my teams have dragon in them" but they haven't expressed any of their teams/thought process so this could just be an excuse. patch's reason is also sort of a cop-out reason i can see being an excuse. lastly, i feel like patch bussing bewo here seems to be the kind of move scum would make to make them seem unaligned. it's a good move and it makes sense.

why not? Please I have already said that if you need more info from me you can ask me. I want to engage and to convince you

I would say you should not make reads based on activity because that's basically what Dragon wanted to do when he shifted to do a push on me mostly but also on Elpis at some point. I didn't make a big case to convince you about Dragon because I am busy and you already went through it at the beginning of D3, so I thought it was not necessary but I can do it if you feel you need it.

Regarding why I wanted to go for Dragon: I think I already said that I didn't think Kanna/Patch and Elpis/Patch were possible scumpairs but I thought it was possible that Dragon was scum with every other player and also I thought a Kanna/Elpis pair was a possibility, so I preferred to go for Dragon not really because I believed in your solve, but because I thought he was most likely scum. It's not that I believed in your solve at the moment (because I thought it was quite possible you and dragon were together) but that it was really what I would have voted at that stage. I also thought it was good to test the reactions of the other players to a possible Dragon push so I made the question. Then Elpis was the only one to show true willingness to vote for Dragon, so that made him less likely to be paired with him to me. But then the whole change from Dragon came and everything opened.

And yes I am sure now that it's a Patch/Dragon team so I would vote whoever of them you want me to vote

[bewolkt]

Why do you think Dragon made such an effort to convince you if he thought you were scum? His solve on 1554 wasn't that *I* was scum, but that 100% sure *you and I* were scum together. I was much more reluctant with him because I thought his defense of Patch was ridiculous so then he went for me anyway. He knew he just needed one more lim so he kept his options open with both of you and Elpis.

He also wasn't town for not waiting for your reaction before putting a potentially game-ending vote on me. If he had been town he would have waited to be sure because if he had been wrong, scum would have eliminated me, but he knew that wasn't happening

[bewolkt]

Also, can someone explain to me what happened for Dragon to ask for a replacement? Honest question

[Kanna]

why not? Please I have already said that if you need more info from me you can ask me. I want to engage and to convince you

I would say you should not make reads based on activity because that's basically what Dragon wanted to do when he shifted to do a push on me mostly but also on Elpis at some point. I didn't make a big case to convince you about Dragon because I am busy and you already went through it at the beginning of D3, so I thought it was not necessary but I can do it if you feel you need it.

Regarding why I wanted to go for Dragon: I think I already said that I didn't think Kanna/Patch and Elpis/Patch were possible scumpairs but I thought it was possible that Dragon was scum with every other player and also I thought a Kanna/Elpis pair was a possibility, so I preferred to go for Dragon not really because I believed in your solve, but because I thought he was most likely scum. It's not that I believed in your solve at the moment (because I thought it was quite possible you and dragon were together) but that it was really what I would have voted at that stage. I also thought it was good to test the reactions of the other players to a possible Dragon push so I made the question. Then Elpis was the only one to show true willingness to vote for Dragon, so that made him less likely to be paired with him to me. But then the whole change from Dragon came and everything opened.

And yes I am sure now that it's a Patch/Dragon team so I would vote whoever of them you want me to vote

do you think you have? but sure, i'm open to talk.

can i ask why you didn't think patch/elpis was likely? and can you expand on why you thought dragon was most likely scum? iirc, you came into the day thinking it was me/patch

and ok cool. i was tentatively thinking limming patch might be the move today because i'm having trouble being able to tell who's town between you/dragon but i don't think you can be scum together -- your interactions were too genuine. so that makes patch lockscum fmpov. i'm not planning on doing this just yet though, it's just an idea.

[Kanna]

i don't think i need a case from you btw, just like dragon, it'll come from a place where you supposedly 100% know someone's scum and it'll be super biasy. and i am aware of most of the things dragon has done. it is true dragon has done a bunch of questionable things (rushing the vote, being so sure on it, the patch read) etc but stepping back, i don't know if i can say for certain those come from scum #_#

[Kanna]

Also, can someone explain to me what happened for Dragon to ask for a replacement? Honest question

we shouldn't talk about it. for the sake of the game, he's just gone

[Kanna]

can i ask why you didn't think patch/elpis was likely? and can you expand on why you thought dragon was most likely scum? iirc, you came into the day thinking it was me/patch

sorry, i guess you must've changed your mind about me/patch after seeing my post, but you thought patch was very suspicious from yesterday's events no? why is dragon scummier?

[bewolkt]

why not? Please I have already said that if you need more info from me you can ask me. I want to engage and to convince you

I would say you should not make reads based on activity because that's basically what Dragon wanted to do when he shifted to do a push on me mostly but also on Elpis at some point. I didn't make a big case to convince you about Dragon because I am busy and you already went through it at the beginning of D3, so I thought it was not necessary but I can do it if you feel you need it.

Regarding why I wanted to go for Dragon: I think I already said that I didn't think Kanna/Patch and Elpis/Patch were possible scumpairs but I thought it was possible that Dragon was scum with every other player and also I thought a Kanna/Elpis pair was a possibility, so I preferred to go for Dragon not really because I believed in your solve, but because I thought he was most likely scum. It's not that I believed in your solve at the moment (because I thought it was quite possible you and dragon were together) but that it was really what I would have voted at that stage. I also thought it was good to test the reactions of the other players to a possible Dragon push so I made the question. Then Elpis was the only one to show true willingness to vote for Dragon, so that made him less likely to be paired with him to me. But then the whole change from Dragon came and everything opened.

And yes I am sure now that it's a Patch/Dragon team so I would vote whoever of them you want me to vote

do you think you have?

but sure, i'm open to talk.

can i ask why you didn't think patch/elpis was likely? and can you expand on why you thought dragon was most likely scum? iirc, you came into the day thinking it was me/patch

and ok cool. i was tentatively thinking limming patch might be the move today because i'm having trouble being able to tell who's town between you/dragon but i don't think you can be scum together -- your interactions were too genuine. so that makes patch lockscum fmpov. i'm not planning on doing this just yet though, it's just an idea.

I think I have?

If anyone wants more info from me they can ask

But if anyone wants me to address anything I can do it tomorrow

But please, if any of Kanna, Elpis think they need more info from me, please ask away

Regarding the other points: I thought Elpis/Patch was not likely because when you were offering Elpis the Dragon/Patch solution, he wanted to go for Patch more than for Dragon, which made me think that if he was aligned with any of them it was Dragon.

Why I thought Dragon was the most likely scum: out of all the possibilities I was considering Dragon was in 3/4 (a bit the same that you were doing before with Dragon/Patch/me):
- Kanna/Elpis
- Dragon/Elpis
- Dragon/Patch
- Dragon/Kanna
That's what I meant with that out of all my possible solves Dragon was in most of them

[Kanna]

misunderstanding sorry -- i meant do you think you've towntold enough that you can't be scum? because i don't think so. although tbf i don't think everyone does that in every towngame they play.

i see, thanks for that. i'll think bout things and let you know if i need more from you. please can you actually vote patch though

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[patchwork]

hi malakirrwna

[patchwork]

did nto type that right

[patchwork]

ill be so fucked up if its bewo/dragon like goddamn

[Elpis]

misunderstanding sorry -- i meant do you think you've towntold enough that you can't be scum? because i don't think so. although tbf i don't think everyone does that in every towngame they play.

i see, thanks for that. i'll think bout things and let you know if i need more from you. please can you actually vote patch though

Wait...now? Are you saying you want to vote patch currently?

[Kanna]

misunderstanding sorry -- i meant do you think you've towntold enough that you can't be scum? because i don't think so. although tbf i don't think everyone does that in every towngame they play.

i see, thanks for that. i'll think bout things and let you know if i need more from you. please can you actually vote patch though

Wait...now? Are you saying you want to vote patch currently?

no, i won't vote. i just want bewo to vote patch. doesn't hurt, right?

[Kanna]

elpis, i will also not vote unless we've discussed things! and i will always declare "intent" if i ever want to vote

hi mala! 70 pages is a lot to catch up on... how will we do this?

[Malakittens]

Hi

I just want to say I’m town

I’m also kinda Mia today as it’s my day off and I’m taking it easy

I’ll be catching up tmrw tho!!

[Elpis]

elpis, i will also not vote unless we've discussed things! and i will always declare "intent" if i ever want to vote

hi mala! 70 pages is a lot to catch up on... how will we do this?

Okay, sounds good