RED CROWN TOURNAMENT DAY ELEVEN: The Contest of the Princes
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Player refers to the now locked-in users with the 11 highest point scores listed above.
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Ok, so we actually do need a mod to play along to generate infinite points to fill the leaderboard with Misters 11th-Hour.In post 23, Aureal wrote: Oh, well, if we're trying to get people to actually pay attention and do things in a complex order then it's plenty doable since apparently infinite points can be generated with Power of the 11th Hour. Heck bianco, you technically should be able to do it yourself since it just says "a player of your choice" but doesn't rule out giving them to yourself.
And even if AniX ruled against giving points to yourself, it would just take two people working in tandem giving each other points and creating Mr. 11th Hours with them and point boosting them/taking points from leaders and boosting each other as needed.
Question is, does AniX have to approve the transactions before more can be made with the newly generated points? Because I just don't think there's nearly enough time for a long chain of transactions like that unless AniX is spending the next 12 hours staring intently at this thread constantly refreshing it.
The worst can do it, otherwise I can spend 2*3+10 to bring T-Bone down from the list of players and then he can do it
@T-Bone, @worst, are any of you willing to do this?Last edited by biancospino on Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:32 am, edited 1 time in total.-
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"Player" is undefined but as used in "You may also pool your points with as many players as you’d like to go for bigger and bigger impacts" it definitely includes people who are not top eleven. Perhaps it even excludes top eleven ("contestants" seems to be the word used to mean "everyone with points") but that seems like a needless complication but it should definitely include you. There's also "non-player users" which I take to mean any forum users who didn't earn points."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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I am defining it now as above and any text in contraction to this errata should be considered constructively edited.Official Gimmick List:
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Wait. @AniX, do you count as a mod?-
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It feels a little off that now only moderators can be awarded points to join top eleven but it's probably for the best. Don't you love trying to balance games?In post 28, AniX wrote: I am defining it now as above and any text in contraction to this errata should be considered constructively edited.
Didn't answer whether you need to authorize the point expenditure/boost though or if some moderator like T-Bone can just post a long sequence that modifies their own points repeatedly."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Ok, so, here'sIn post 31, AniX wrote:Yesaplan. I'll transfer 22 points to you via the [0] cost option; if you then promise to do the following in this order:- buy [8] targeting you six times in a row. You'll have 912 points after that.
- For each player, buy [2] targeting them enough time that their score becomes 0.
- buy [22] 11 times.
This should bypass the need to authorize payments, since the buyer is also the authorizer-
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AniX can't do the first step that many times or else AniX ends up on the board and unable to spend points."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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No, since AniX doesn't get on the board since the top11 is fixed, unless [10] is bought-
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This is not technically correctIn post 32, Aureal wrote:
It feels a little off that nowIn post 28, AniX wrote: I am defining it now as above and any text in contraction to this errata should be considered constructively edited.only moderators can be awarded points to join top elevenbut it's probably for the best. Don't you love trying to balance games?
Didn't answer whether you need to authorize the point expenditure/boost though or if some moderator like T-Bone can just post a long sequence that modifies their own points repeatedly.
I do not need to explicitly authorize point spending, no.Official Gimmick List:
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Well then the last step should be buying 10, shouldn't it?In post 35, biancospino wrote: No, since AniX doesn't get on the board since the top11 is fixed, unless [10] is bought"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Well no, since then AniX would most likely get on the board at first place. Note that [22] explicitly put Mr. 11HIn post 37, Aureal wrote:
Well then the last step should be buying 10, shouldn't it?In post 35, biancospino wrote: No, since AniX doesn't get on the board since the top11 is fixed, unless [10] is boughtontothe board-
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So the plan is simple, the top 3 don't try to gain any more points. We then need someone to buy At the Last Minute, this kicks off TBone who can buy it again. Then we rinse and repeat until the board is only Mr. 11th Hours except the top 3, then we need people to boost all of those Mr. 11th hours above the leader, then buy a new one, boost that, etc... until the board is only Mr. 11th Hours.George Bailey-
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Okay,
technically0 could still be used to give non mods points. It's not very likely to be too relevant though.
What, are you saying you didn't calculate the points for doing all that in order to keep AniX under 111?In post 38, biancospino wrote:
Well no, since then AniX would most likely get on the board at first place. Note that [22] explicitly put Mr. 11HIn post 37, Aureal wrote:
Well then the last step should be buying 10, shouldn't it?In post 35, biancospino wrote: No, since AniX doesn't get on the board since the top11 is fixed, unless [10] is boughtontothe board
I guess that makes sense though. Darn cheaters Mr. 11th Hour and his special board-busting privilege."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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I mean, if AniX rebels and try to get on the board it suffices for a user with >=19 points to buy [9] targeting Anix, then [10]. So it's not a concernIn post 40, Aureal wrote: What, are you saying you didn't calculate the points for doing all that in order to keep AniX under 111?-
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If every player agrees, yes.In post 39, VashtaNeurotic wrote: So the plan is simple, the top 3 don't try to gain any more points. We then need someone to buy At the Last Minute, this kicks off TBone who can buy it again. Then we rinse and repeat until the board is only Mr. 11th Hours except the top 3, then we need people to boost all of those Mr. 11th hours above the leader, then buy a new one, boost that, etc... until the board is only Mr. 11th Hours.
But if T-Bone agrees, at that point we can just be collectively lazy and have him do all the work via the infinite points cheat-
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Oh no, rebellious mods? They could just sequence things to keep everyone else under 19 points to prevent us from stopping their rampage, though.In post 41, biancospino wrote:
I mean, if AniX rebels and try to get on the board it suffices for a user with >=19 points to buy [9] targeting Anix, then [10]. So it's not a concernIn post 40, Aureal wrote: What, are you saying you didn't calculate the points for doing all that in order to keep AniX under 111?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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They can't since, say, you are not a player, so not a possible [2] target.
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Users, even those not in the top 11, are not forbidden from earning points through the methods that have been used to generate points throughout the tournament.In post 40, Aureal wrote:Okay,technically0 could still be used to give non mods points. It's not very likely to be too relevant though.
But the rest of you still have your parts to play. You have points burning a hole in your pocket. It is time to spend them.Hell, you might even want to earn more to spend more.Please note that all active Contests are STILL active.While users who are not in the top 11 are NOT eligible to win, they can still earn more points to spend.Official Gimmick List:
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I expect it's possible through the right combination of reducing points of current players to put lower-point users on the board and then reducing their points as well; though tricky since the mod would have to avoid being on the board themself when activating 10 but retain enough points to keep giving themself points afterwards. They probably would want to hit everyone with 3 as well, to make sure any remaining points couldn't be pooled.In post 44, biancospino wrote: They can't since, say, you are not a player, so not a possible [2] target.
(There is a way to work around that, but I'm not elaborating)
Yeah but that's not beingIn post 45, AniX wrote: Users, even those not in the top 11, are not forbidden from earning points through the methods that have been used to generate points throughout the tournament.awardedpoints here, that's the old-fashioned way ofearningthem.
That actually makes this a lot more complicated though since it's not defined when points are earned through contests. Presumably when the post documenting it is made. That makes for hella complicated interaction with a point list that can constantly change through point expenditure, but doesn't refresh itself without someone explictly spending points to make it do so.
Also that seems to mean that someone could go earn like 165 points from updating the wiki today to move into the points lead if nothing else changes, but would have to spend 10 points to actually be put onto the player list. And would thus then only be at 155 points and no longer in the lead.
(I think if you're going to do this again, maybe this phase should be after other point earn opportunities have closed. )"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Mr. 11th Hour spam also would be a good way to do that tooYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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we should give 19 points to vash and 25 points to aureal so we're tiedYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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