Shell Game (Day 3)

[Sunflower]

Is there anything noteworthy in the neighborhood that doesn't have to do with neighborhood mechanics or roles?

not really i think. marci's mindset generally tracks with outside the thread, and STD shows what feels like a towny one to me

marci put me and klick and herself in the mean girls car which made me laugh. pretty noteworthy

[Sunflower]

as for main thread, crab and oblivion probably the biggest winners from this for me. both feel solidly town

dunnstral also i think felt pretty towny to me in his reactions to all this

pooky feels pretty on his own and i think the frustration over wasting thread space feels towny. a lot of the stuff with oblivion i think is pretty nai although i think sitting down and trying to sort things out was pro-town

spiffeh i think has been scummy

morph im not really at all sold on but if they're right on spiffeh then they're probably town i guess idk

luke i don't think has been exceptionally towny but i think it feels like he is trying to figure things out and approaching with curiosity rather than wanting to control things and that's enough for a townlean

firebringer posts have made very little effect on me and im not sure what that means for his alignment

[morph the cat]

as for main thread, crab and oblivion probably the biggest winners from this for me. both feel solidly town

dunnstral also i think felt pretty towny to me in his reactions to all this

pooky feels pretty on his own and i think the frustration over wasting thread space feels towny. a lot of the stuff with oblivion i think is pretty nai although i think sitting down and trying to sort things out was pro-town

spiffeh i think has been scummy

morph im not really at all sold on but if they're right on spiffeh then they're probably town i guess idk

luke i don't think has been exceptionally towny but i think it feels like he is trying to figure things out and approaching with curiosity rather than wanting to control things and that's enough for a townlean

firebringer posts have made very little effect on me and im not sure what that means for his alignment

Tell us more.

[Sunflower]

i also would just like to state for the record that given the theme of this game i do not trust that we can predict how things are going to play out mechanically and i also think 1020 feels like a very forced read on things and potentially an agenda'd push to downplay concerns about the shell game aspect

[Cat Scratch Fever]

AD i am like a little wary that his signaling to me/townreading to me was strange given his apparent mindset that scum would also be informed.

I'd be interested in hearing from Dan about this but from everything else you've described, I'm not sure scum would be the first one to propose that everyone has the same role

[Sunflower]

Tell us more.

i had the same read on the cred trade AD post which like mildly annoyed me lol

i think in general it felt like he was trying to insert himself into the conversation and have reactions to the things that were happening but it didn't feel like a natural town approach

i do not think i have more detailed analysis at this time it's kind of a vibe thing

[morph the cat]

morph im not really at all sold on but if they're right on spiffeh then they're probably town i guess idk

So you mind meld with our spiffeh take, but we're town only if it's a correct take? Nothing else coming from our slot has been indicative one direction or the other?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

morph you know what would really annoy me

is if this game wasnt a dethy and it was just 5 random sanity town cops thrown in a hood and you just decided it was a dethy and the real shell game was the scum conning us into thinking this is a dethy and its not really a dethy

viewtopic.php?f=90&t=84557

cuz like im looking back at fakegod's dethy and its pretty explicitly stated that its a dethy but here we don't actually have an explicit statement that we're playing dethy.

and if the entire scum team is laughing at you doing this and we're going down this rabbit hole I'm gonna be so annoyed.

[Klick]

What makes you think that I have any scumreads aside from Sunflower?

In post 371 you agree that strikethroughs are your townreads and bolded names are your scumreads/concerns.

You also clearly split up your list.

Additional context that readers might want to know:

I find value in it being ambiguous. I like to experiment with different methods of expressing my thoughts on the game. I also enjoy extracting information out of how people engage with different levels of ambiguity vs straightforwardness. I often find that some people's assumptions about things like that are pretty closely attached to alignment.

I'll occasionally shift how willing I am to highlight someone in one direction or another just to try it out and see what will happen

And it's that way in part to avoid people trying to get little gotchas by interpreting things however suits their agenda, instead of trying to understand.

[Sunflower]

morph im not really at all sold on but if they're right on spiffeh then they're probably town i guess idk

So you mind meld with our spiffeh take, but we're town only if it's a correct take? Nothing else coming from our slot has been indicative one direction or the other?

the first of those statements is accurate

you're somewhat more likely to be town if spiffeh is scum. you're very likely to be town if spiffeh and AD are both scum

you have over 200 posts. many of them have been indicative in one direction or the other

[morph the cat]

morph you know what would really annoy me

is if this game wasnt a dethy and it was just 5 random sanity town cops thrown in a hood and you just decided it was a dethy and the real shell game was the scum conning us into thinking this is a dethy and its not really a dethy

viewtopic.php?f=90&t=84557

cuz like im looking back at fakegod's dethy and its pretty explicitly stated that its a dethy but here we don't actually have an explicit statement that we're playing dethy.

and if the entire scum team is laughing at you doing this and we're going down this rabbit hole I'm gonna be so annoyed.

Based upon summary of the hood by sunflower, they've all declared it as such.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

just because they all decided its dethy doesnt mean it has to be dethy

there is no explicit moderator statement in that hood that its a dethy

[Sunflower]

we don't know anything, we're not authorities on whether or not it's a dethy, why make that appeal?

[Klick]

klick has just felt kinda positional play in response to all of this and is just not approaching things in the way i tend to expect him to solve. i think he tends to feel really pretty measured and reasonable and confident in his ability to read people and here he feels put on the back foot and the reads don't feel like they're coming naturally

1. I am always positional
2. I am almost never confident

[Sunflower]

also we didn't decide it's a dethy we were like "hey this is kinda like dethy". which. it isn't dethy. can we stop pretending it's dethy im so tired

[Spiffeh]

people keep being overly eager to paint meta reads off incomplete/inaccurate data with no shame or concern whatsoever and the fact that some of them are doing it as town is annoying

Who are you sub tweeting here?

spiffeh and morph mostly

i think there was a third that made it feel like a pattern but idr who

@Sunflower I asked this earlier but didn't see a response, who were you referring to when you said that some of them are doing it as town?

[Sunflower]

klick has just felt kinda positional play in response to all of this and is just not approaching things in the way i tend to expect him to solve. i think he tends to feel really pretty measured and reasonable and confident in his ability to read people and here he feels put on the back foot and the reads don't feel like they're coming naturally

1. I am always positional
2. I am almost never confident

1. i don't agree at all, at least in the way i was using the term. i used it to mena that your reads felt like they were being made in order to put yourself in the place you needed to be rather than coming naturally from posts

2. confident isn't the right word exactly, i think self-assured is better? not that you are sure your reads are correct, but that you tend to seem unbothered by outside forces and content to solve in your own way

[Klick]

I'm concerned about Sunflower too. Would very much like to conclude at least one of Klick, Sunflower are town before much longer.

Hello, it's me

I don't understand the scumreads on me further than 'these are things that are surface-level scummy that I also do frequently as town, and people have to tie themselves to what they recognise regardless of context'

Sunflower is actually scum but posts in a less scumread-able way

[Spiffeh]

Lol @ how controversial my ActionDan post was when I am ISO'ing myself during my high era and think it's my most coherent post during that time

I also stand behind it 100%

[Cat Scratch Fever]

also we didn't decide it's a dethy we were like "hey this is kinda like dethy". which. it isn't dethy. can we stop pretending it's dethy im so tired

I'm kind of confused. do you not think there's 1 scum in the hood anymore?

[Sunflower]

people keep being overly eager to paint meta reads off incomplete/inaccurate data with no shame or concern whatsoever and the fact that some of them are doing it as town is annoying

Who are you sub tweeting here?

spiffeh and morph mostly

i think there was a third that made it feel like a pattern but idr who

@Sunflower I asked this earlier but didn't see a response, who were you referring to when you said that some of them are doing it as town?

it felt in the moment like a lot of people were doing it (too many for all of them to believably be scum) and i don't remember who else was if any and i don't really care

[Sunflower]

also we didn't decide it's a dethy we were like "hey this is kinda like dethy". which. it isn't dethy. can we stop pretending it's dethy im so tired

I'm kind of confused. do you not think there's 1 scum in the hood anymore?

i didn't ever think it was a for sure thing. i said it was the most elegant. but i am not particularly willing to take it for granted that we can make assumptions here

[Sunflower]

I'm concerned about Sunflower too. Would very much like to conclude at least one of Klick, Sunflower are town before much longer.

Hello, it's me

I don't understand the scumreads on me further than 'these are things that are surface-level scummy that I also do frequently as town, and people have to tie themselves to what they recognise regardless of context'

Sunflower is actually scum but posts in a less scumread-able way

if you're actually saying that you are confident that im scum here that's fairly outing. are you committing to that read?

[Spiffeh]

- spiffeh whose recent posts after interacting with me were strange to me he felt defensive over being questioned about how he engaged with me

Can you elaborate on this? Which posts specifically make you feel this way?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

also we didn't decide it's a dethy we were like "hey this is kinda like dethy". which. it isn't dethy. can we stop pretending it's dethy im so tired

I'm kind of confused. do you not think there's 1 scum in the hood anymore?

i didn't ever think it was a for sure thing. i said it was the most elegant. but i am not particularly willing to take it for granted that we can make assumptions here

What do you think Klick?