Newbie 2056: Forkula - Game Over

[Enchant]

I am a vengeful one.

VOTE: Enchant

Oh, hi.

VOTE: unwnd

[Enchant]

What is IC system?

[Enchant]

I suggesting murdering anime avatars first.

[Enchant]

I suggesting murdering anime avatars first.

Luckily my picture is just from an artist and not depicted in an anime

I'm safe

No.

[Enchant]

I suggesting murdering anime avatars first.

Luckily my picture is just from an artist and not depicted in an anime

I'm safe

No.

I won't pay for your therapy for having differing tastes than you

No.

[Enchant]

I am a vengeful one.

VOTE: Enchant

Oh, hi.

VOTE: unwnd

Nice to see you here, just don't suicide, okay?

Not promising anything.

[Enchant]

That's not suicide, that's tactical batman gambit.

[Enchant]

Well, let's hope it's not a scumread on the shiny townread that ~I~ have and am keeping warm by hatching it, or we're gonna have to slap fight.

I don't like this. You either know each other, or I can't understand that. Or "Joke" mode of game not passed yet.

Side note, Enchant, are you going by "she/her" as one of the above posts noted? I didn't see a preference set on your profile, so I don't want to assume.

I don't care. You can use if you want.

I'm also intrigued as to BBmolla's insistance on Salsa- Which one of her opening posts seem scummy and how?

Salsa not voting me, that's strange indeed.

[Enchant]

*Put here joke about anime*

[Enchant]

Anime hydra born, run for your lives.

[Enchant]

I still think some credit should be given due to offering some insight as to what those two were blathering on about and clearing up the confusion.

Nah that's nothing at all actually, even Cabd recognizes he shouldn't get towncred for that measly amount of homework

I think you're misinterpreting.

After Cabd admitted to being the backup mod to the game being referenced, it became obvious how he gained that information was NAI. I agree he shouldn't get credit for happenstance.
Instead the subsequent credit was not for how he got aforementioned info, but for putting it out in the thread in a prompt, no bullshit fashion and making it evident to everyone how and why Enchant and Salsa were having that chat about suicide.

Or would you have preferred it if he stayed silent and wasted other players time by forcing them to go through all Enchants games trying to find one that she potentially committed suicide in?

Why this is ever reason to townread. Being helpful is not same, as being town.

[Enchant]

What reaction you expected?

[Enchant]

No reaction is reaction too.

Bone voted me, because i was mafia in last game.
You because of "Murder is mafia thing".


And. Like... What reaction you expect.

[Enchant]

As I said a reply, no matter how silly the reason for voting on the first day.
If town is silent, scum can hide in silence too. So I would guess no reaction would be more scum-like, don't you agree?

I don't agree. You can't accuse people, just because they passive in game. While silentive people is harmful for town, it's not really point at mafia.

[Enchant]

I don't agree. You can't accuse people, just because they passive in game. While silentive people is harmful for town, it's not really point at mafia.

I am afraid I do not understand your point, you seem to be contradicting yourself, could you please tell what is the difference here between passive (no reaction?) and being silent?
Also, shouldn't we accuse each other to try to get reads (and maybe mistakes)?

I see this as same thing.

[Enchant]

From what I've gathered so far Enchant, you're saying being helpful doesn't mean they're town and being passive and silent doesn't mean they're mafia. Can you please post something of substance instead of being the antithesis?

Well, i played 4 games already, two as town and two as mafia.

Two as mafia won. In our first game, where we meet, only one mafia member executed, because, well, he just blatantly hammered, claimed Cop and said real Cop is "Innocent".
Second game, i just hammered and town not was active enough, scumreading town-lurkers for lurking.

In my first town game i was Jailkeeper, forced to claim because of some "scumreading" and die after from nightkill. Mafia lost, because they both claimed tracker, and remaining one made mistake with setup.
In my second town game, i was vanilla townie, again become target on first day and selfhammered to not disrupt town in next.


As i see, scumreading never catched mafia in my games at all, and even throwing dice is more reliable. Probably, that's because i have different expierence, but it really makes me sceptical. Numbers not in town favor, and that's reason why mafia win often.

[Enchant]

From what I've gathered so far Enchant, you're saying being helpful doesn't mean they're town and being passive and silent doesn't mean they're mafia. Can you please post something of substance instead of being the antithesis?

Well, i played 4 games already, two as town and two as mafia.

Two as mafia won. In our first game, where we meet, only one mafia member executed, because, well, he just blatantly hammered, claimed Cop and said real Cop is "Innocent".
Second game, i just hammered and town not was active enough, scumreading town-lurkers for lurking.

In my first town game i was Jailkeeper, forced to claim because of some "scumreading" and die after from nightkill. Mafia lost, because they both claimed tracker, and remaining one made mistake with setup.
In my second town game, i was vanilla townie, again become target on first day and

selfhammered to not disrupt town in next.

As i see, scumreading never catched mafia in my games at all, and even throwing dice is more reliable. Probably, that's because i have different expierence, but it really makes me sceptical. Numbers not in town favor, and that's reason why mafia win often.

I don't understand the bit in bold, can you please rephrase?

Also, scumreading never caught mafia- I disagree, I've seen it happen. Besides, what's the alternative? Townreading and using PoE?
How's that possible when scum can be helpful and town can be passive and silent?

Townreading is good alternative, yes. I actually using it.

Yes, it sometimes works, because you have 2/8 chance to point at mafia. But i never saw it.

[Enchant]

It's hard to understand Ahri, but did she just say Salsa is confirmed mafia for OMGUS vote?

[Enchant]

It's hard to understand Ahri, but did she just say Salsa is confirmed mafia for OMGUS vote?

oh sweetie...

this one is town i guess...

and no i said salsa is confirmed mafia because their posts are essentially openclaiming mafia

Ahris reads are good I agree on Face town

BBmolla town bc salsa/bbmolla doesn't read w/w and salsa is confirmed mafia ty ty

confirmed mafia: salsa
near-locktown: endless/face/bbmolla

probably mafia but cute enough to leave alive: Ahri

Irony.


I will read Salsa ISO before say anything more.

[Enchant]

how is that ironic?

You claimed "probably mafia" for yourself.

[Enchant]

They have.

[Enchant]

Atleast in newbie games.

[Enchant]

also, given you think that "scumreading" is useless, why are you reading salsa's iso if it won't help you win the game? (as town)

are you PERHAPS a MEMBER OF THE MAFIA?

and you want to see why your partner is confirmed mafia? ;-;

Yes. I can be.

I played with Salsa two games already, and can't really notice difference from her play as townie.

I didn't say scumreading is useless, i just think we are doing wrong or something and probably should think in other way.

[Enchant]

Ahri is annoying.

I'm not sure if this town behavior, or just mafia who trolling us. I place town for a now.


So here we go again. Why you voting Cobd this night, well, expect he is anime of course.

[Enchant]

Ahri is annoying.

I'm not sure if this town behavior, or just mafia who trolling us. I place town for a now.


So here we go again. Why you voting Cobd this night, well, expect he is anime of course.

please quote which post you think is annoying ty

also we're in day iirc?

and i sr them

I can, but quoting all your posts is even more annoying.

[Enchant]

that's not very nice...

what did your dice tell you about this game btw!!

Well, 1d9 got result as 7, which means MrSunrise

Yes, i would reroll if it pointed on myself, it's not cheating because i'm town.

[Enchant]

I think second dice is pointless, because on 2 day i think here will be more information.

Spoiler:

But it got 3, which means Cabd

Mafia team Cabd+MrSunrise confirmed, game can be closed.

[Enchant]

It means dice diced.

Well, we have 2/8 chance to roll mafia for each one.

[Enchant]

I'm not spectator.

"we" i mean all game overall.

[Enchant]

in all seriousness,
assuming you're town
dice gives:
2 town: 47.6%
1 town 1 mafia: 47.5%
both mafia: 4.8%

so it's actually favoured to contain mafia

(the 0.1% i left out is the possibility that i'm mafia and I read my role pm incorrectly)

Indeed.

VOTE: MrSunrise

[Enchant]

Spoiler: They all yeet at us for using dice.

why not cabd first?

sure i'll vote this it's a town liability anyways if he's going to parrot mafia wiki / mafia textbook XD
i read the section on scumclaiming and blockposting and i wonder what he must be thinking of now...
Professor: if a player claims mafia, jokingly or otherwise, you should IMMEDIATELY lynch them.

VOTE: MrSunrise

Because Cabd is second dice.

[Enchant]

Out of curiosity, Ahri, what made you call Salsa the mafia rolecop, explicitly? As opposed to any other mafia role?

Ahri claimed Mafia Rolecop, not called Salsa one.

[Enchant]

Also how is it hard to understand me :p

here's the condensed version of my posts:

v towny: bb, unwnd, enchant, face
null: mrsunrise, endless
w scummy: cabd
confirmed mafia: salsa

cutie mafia rolecop: Ahri

[Enchant]

Eh, it was undermeant what I stood.

What? Rephrase please, it's hard to understand.

[Enchant]

1. Ahri - Sana
2. BBmolla - Momo
3. Cabd - Tzuyu
4. Enchant - Dahyun
5. endlessdark - Chaeyoung
6. Facebones - Mina
7. MrSunrise - Nayeon
8. Salsabil Faria - Jeongyeon
9. unwnd - Jihyo

Can you please give translation from anime language?

[Enchant]

Hello.

Half of day just passed, so probably time to start think who we execute. Or not. We need enough time just in case of someone claim, so we don't need to pick new target in haste.

And yes, again. Don't put anyone on E-1, unless we decide kill 100%. It's not hard.

I start. I still want vote Sunrise out. Not only because my dice say that, but because his game looking manipulating.

I saw his suggestion to "You can vote, it will not be OMGUS" for unwnd, which look something off for me. I only see this as town as part of tricking mafia to vote, which is specifically ugly looking.

[Enchant]

You will be surprised (no), but i think Ahri is town.

This chaotic gamestyle is very risky and it's not like she even think what she write. Problem is, imitate this behaviour is not like too hard.

But i really can't see negative for town behaviour, and she looks like searching for mafia.

Also game will be boring without memers. So i think, we can wait with Ahri for a bit.


We have pretty low chances to execute mafia on first day, so i think we should execute someone to gain as much information as possible. I still can't look at Sunrise posts without thoughs of him being disguised robot.


About others really nothing to say. Well, one question exist, like why you townread me, as well as Endless. I want know reason why i get these tickets.

[Enchant]

We will know his role. It's not like we have so many targets with more gain.

In most cases we just get faction of two people, which will help later to check, who accused who.

Who you want execute then, and why?

[Enchant]

@Enchant: You do not have anyone on your suspect list that would be a better elimination than me, is that correct?

Yes. Maybe Cabd as well, but it can wait.

At this point in time I'm undecided. There's a few players I'm suspicious of, but I want to see how everything plays out through the next coupla days before I make my decision.

Well, too bad, because we have 3 days left, because in case anyone who we vote will claim PR, we need think about replace. Even better if we have one target and one "backup" in case of that.


Also yes, i actually don't see better target, unless killing some townreads just in case. Because if someone townreaded by almost everyone, they are probably get nightkilled/mafia themself, which honestly happens really often. That's also why i asking reasons for townreading.

Oh wait i get nightkilled, bruh

[Enchant]

I never said he would be a bad flip. I never said he would be a good flip.

Enchant was saying chances of hitting scum on D1 was low and as such we should eliminate someone who would give us the most information and that player according to her was Mr. Sunshine.
I was wondering why she thinks flipping Mr. Sunshine would gain more information than anyone else?

When i say that, i supposed someone will give alternative.

I don't see any, you protect him just because you can, but doesh't want offer someone.

[Enchant]

So try not to take what I said completely literal. My point about Enchant there is that I don't like that they seem much capable of more but chooses to not do it.

What you mean?

[Enchant]

Did you just say he is mafia, and unvoted him?

[Enchant]

These are my impressions/guesses

Town: Endlessdark (all reads point to town), unwnd (could be scum being towny and eloquent, however I find this way less likely), Facebones

Neutral: Arhi (very anti-town behavior but I think that is how she plays), Salsa (hopefully her internet is fixed and she comes back and I can bump her to town)

Scum: Enchant (I flip-flop between neutral and scum for his arguments), BBmolla (I found forceful on his arguments, but I would gladly hear what others think), Cabd (1 useful post for this game making very hard to try to read anything from him)

eh

unvote MrSunrise

idt i can get this but w/e I'm relatively sure this one is scum

if for some reason y'all decide to elim me get this one tmro

VOTE: Cabd

This one.

[Enchant]

Cabd you told me to expect disappointment but I at least have to know why you townread Enchant. Is it just because they're a bit more catty? I've found myself reading some of there posts and cross-checking the MrSunrise talks and they aren't too far away from each other.

What can I say I have a fetish for petulant children.

Just what.

[Enchant]

No. It's fully random. Any team possible.

Also. Ahri, what the hell is "If we execute your suggestion, you also need agree to get executed next".

That's most dumbest thing we can do. Do you really think townie can detect mafia on 100% probality, and if not, he is mafia?


Also yes. I find "manner speech" more strange than strange behavior. Reason is simple: People in internet who too official, when that's unneeded i always though as someone who have something to hide. Maybe it's your style but still.

About memers, well. You probably should know, how idiotic can i be sometimes, so it's not hard to understand Ahri behaviour. She can imitate it, but i feel it's not imitation.

[Enchant]

Anime fights with other anime, enjoying to watch.

Let's kill Facebones, sure, why not... Hold on, i really wish to know why.

[Enchant]

No.

VOTE: unwnd

[Enchant]

Only because you asking nicely.

VOTE: Cabd

[Enchant]

:/

My heart, it is torn to pieces.

You'll note that I never actually voted facebones lol.

Don't lie, you don't have heart.

You know Cabd she is like Cakez in more ways than one

who is this "Cakez" character

+ Interested

[Enchant]

Where is your scumreads btw?

[Enchant]

I need think about it.

[Enchant]

I counterclaim Cross-timeline neighborizer.

[Enchant]

Alright, no anime jokes for a bit.

But right now, i feel best elumination is Salsa or Sunrise still.


About Cabd. I find it extremally strange, how easy everyone agree just jump on Cabd. Like... Literally. Number of players thinking he is mafia almost same as Sunrise. But while Sunrise got protected, Cabd ish't. After this i remember all my games here and there's simple fact. Mafia either sitting back, when townie accuses townie, fabricate accusations (which not really hard) if game stalling, and somehow protect partner when he is accused. Common sense.

I don't see any case on Cabd. I have strong feeling Cabd is targeted, simple because he is not very active in the game and also expireinced. Because i really-really don't see how he acting like mafia in any way. Can you point exactly? No, "No free townread" don't count. You need understand jokes.

Salsa on other hand just vote everyone who dare to accuse her, and SOMEHOW become townread for unknown for me reasons. I see tryings in balance, not to draw attention to self, but also don't be completly silent. That's reason why she somehow silentive when there's need in silence.

Remember my words about information? Well, Salsa is good variant, because even if she flips town, we can consider her words like from confirmed townie and follow up. And she indeed say interesting things, but just agrees and follows.

So i suggesting break from these winds and gone wild. Because i really think i get manipulated.

VOTE: Salsa i challenge you.

[Enchant]

Mafia of course never frustrated if voted.

It's really reason?

[Enchant]

You really should consider some of your townread may be mafia.

Using smart logic, when there's scummy scum on 1d and he is too easy to lynch, that's means we got shapegoat.
Because mafia will rarely accuse themselves and become suspicious at first place and it's unlikely for townie push mafia, especially bizarre reasons for "scumreading" and "townreading", which really makes me wondering, why don't kill one of "Townie as hell townies", because right now on this day, mafia will most likely appear as town, because no one going shade him (mafia wouldn't accuse self, and townies too big in numbers), unless mafia do blatant shit.

So yes, i still suggesting Salsa for "She is town because we said so".

[Enchant]

Yes, especially if Sunrise mafia.

Or who they will push? Ahri? Bruh.

[Enchant]

Because almost everyone suspect Ahri or find her behavior highly anti-town.

[Enchant]

Bruh?

Hold on. BB, who are you?

[Enchant]

VOTE: BBmolly

I think BBmolly has more fake today. Plenty of AtE going on.

They both claimed PR and then Masons. It's kinda obvious after BB say "I don't want reveal other PR"

Obviously, one of them is mafia, so asking who their parnter is maybe worthy to be sure. Don't speed up, i don't want kill PR. Thank god we have many time!


So i suggesting this plan: More scummier one say who his partner, and if he confirms masonry, then we eluminate other. Because mafia have no point at revealing their partner, and townie doesh't confirm that, fake mason will be revealed easily.

[Enchant]

Hold on. BB, who are you?

If we can elim Cabd without me hardclaiming it's better but I will if it's entirely necessary, I'd rather not out the other PR

If you are not Mason, that's information what YOU can't know.
You can know who may be other PR in means of role, but even if Cabd get eluminated, you get nightkilled and this information become public anyway, so i wish ask you to stop hiding information.

So, who are you?

[Enchant]

I don't know WHAT the other PR is I just know there is one

It's dumb.

Mafia already know 1/3 chance of setup, and they will nightkill you, making information public.

So can you please make more chances to not get eluminated instead?

[Enchant]

Here's no point with him not claiming it either. Fine.

VOTE: BBmolla

[Enchant]

I'm not sure, how to react. Either mafia imcompetent, which is possible, or for some reason, they fear unwnd more.

Plottwist, Cabd is not mason, he is mafia bussed his partner. Other PRs too busy to react on game.

[Enchant]

Still have feeling Ahri is not our mafia.

[Enchant]

Also.

Who pushed BB for death? Who started it i mean.

[Enchant]

Anime Tyrant.

What next?

[Enchant]

I checked page 23. Facebones pushed BB which is... Unlikely for mafia.

[Enchant]

I will place my vote here

VOTE: Salsa

[Enchant]

Honestly, i more think that's Salsabil.

She probably doesh't have too many time to chooce nightkill.

I don't think Ahri would do that mistake.

[Enchant]

I'm not sure, is this really good to eluminate Mason, even if he get maf with self.

[Enchant]

Exactly.

Listen (or read), I'm not against execution of Ahri, if it helps to narrow down mafia. But i simply can't believe Ahri is one.

Of course, i will not fight mason mind and truly believe if you think Ahri is mafia, it deserved. Like really, you catched BB, not me.

So i will hammer Ahri, if need arise.

[Enchant]

I see.

That's reason why I'm not against execution. If she flips mafia, well, i suppose i need still play newbie games.

[Enchant]

Kinda. I still want read Salsa mind though.

[Enchant]

Two years later...

[Enchant]

Openwolfing is acting scum on purpose.

Well. She claimed Mafia Rolecop, so it's like... Yeah.

[Enchant]

Yeah, Cabd is confirmed town, who shouldn't live, but somehow does.

So, the more game goes, more i think mafia is either smart or Ahri. If Ahri is town, this nightkill certainly place suspiciouns on her, because her Chaotic Playstyle would allow to kill someone else, disregarding logic.

Unless Ahri is mafia. Then that's was not best one move from ya, and game will soon end.

So if Ahri suddenly flips town, search expirenced one. Or chaotic.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Ahri

Boring.

[Enchant]

Why you not hammer yourself?

[Enchant]

Go ahead.

Kill, destroy.

[Enchant]

+500 Stylish points if mafia doesh't kill mason next night.

[Enchant]

Voting Salsa when?

[Enchant]

Honestly, now i understand why mafia avoiding killing masons.

I suggesting break and vote by dice rolls. We have 66% to cover mafia, seems fine.

[Enchant]

Oh. Well.

Salsa, i can only wonder, but most likely mafia leave masons just to confuse us. Well, it kinda worked, because these days i watching game, eating popcorn, without thinking at all. Sorry for that. Good thing we need just found one townie.

Would Facebones to bus his partner like that? At this time, they didn't know setup of the game, and they had mafia roleblocker, which kinda points on possible setup.

I also don't believe on Bus. Because, well. Why sacrifice Roleblocker? What if here Cop+Doc setup (which not, but mafia didn't knew that), and mafia just sacrifice roleblocker for... Sake of what? Same with tracker. It's so risky.

[Enchant]

Still think Salsa is better vote.

Reason is simple. She said how BB are suspicious, but never voted him. Like, if you accuse someone, why don't vote?
Facebones on other hand pushed him for real, which doesh't like makes sense at all.


So i want follow this path: Salsa, Sunrise. I think about it more though.

[Enchant]

Cabd, Enchant

....

It's not haste yet.


I still think path Salsa>MrSun will bring win. Otherwise... Well. Why so blatantly bus?...

Eh. Like really, it could be bus, but with what chance. Yes, i want hear answer from all to you:

Is this possible for Mafia Goon bus Roleblocker in this scenario, like Facebones did?

Also, while you claiming like you voted BB from start, it doesn't mean anything for me, because first persons accused rarely if ever eliminated, so mafia loses nothing from vote on thier partner of start of day. Even more i would susrprise if they suddenly won't.

But!
At the end, any accusation may end in rapid success. That's simple reason: Facebones had almost no reason to kill his teammate in 9player game, especially in setup with dangerous Cop+Doctor and Tracker+JAILKEEPER possible combo. Even if plan was to trade roleblocker to one of PRs... Why? Simple why, that's suicide and not worth it.


Of course, it's depends if common sense can be used here, because Anime still breathes, but i strongly consider Face as town and that's means, if he is real town, we win. Otherwise... Well.

[Enchant]

I want as well.

[Enchant]

The way each of you decided to play will lead to one miselimination and give mafia one night-kill.

You think Facebones is mafia?

[Enchant]

I wish Masons would perform nightkill like mafia.

[Enchant]

It highlights flipped player's posts so when you're re-reading anyone confirmed scum or town's posts show up in red/green and you can read only the unknowns.

Wow, that's cool! You made the code?

He openly linked wiki page with name of author. Do you read?

[Enchant]

We made our decision.

VOTE: MrSunrise

[Enchant]

Listen other mason, when one get nightkilled.

[Enchant]

Lurkers won't prosper.

GG town.

[Enchant]

You can open Mason thread i think.

[Enchant]

The brutalism Hydra will probably have all sorts of feedback for individual members that want it You're welcome to ask and I'm officially signing him up for it

Go ahead, give feedback about me.

[Enchant]

The brutalism Hydra will probably have all sorts of feedback for individual members that want it You're welcome to ask and I'm officially signing him up for it

rate my anti-town level from 1 to 100

999