Mewbie 2094 -- GAME OVER

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Looks like we are back for another cat themed mewbie game, with my buddies Malakittens and Cat.Jpeg. The members of the Anti Cat Pun Alliance are gone, and nobody ever joined my Goldfish revolution against the cats so I'm not sure I'll try my luck here given the large proportion of cat based avatars (4/10 people in this thread) (This is all a reference to mewbie 2092 btw.)

Cat.jpeg, goodmorning and malakittens all have avatars of black cats, which is very appropriate for the flavour but is going to make it confusing to follow the game.

VOTE: Goldfish Puns are bad but cats are great so overall catpuns are good. Your anti cat pun alliance has fallen to shambles for good reason you blasphemer.

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VOTE: goldfish

A better vote.

I just want to repeat this early: a newbie game day one shouldn't last much more than ten pages :)

The more we talk the more information we get though.

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I don’t think day one should be the longest day because we don’t have any flips to base things off but I still think it can be useful.

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I've played with Goldfish for a while elsewhere, she just plays like that. So far I don't have a read on her. I'm not saying she's town but this isn't a good reason to vote her. All her other games on this site so far she has been town and people always sus her for stuff like this.

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What is up with that cake that is on some posts, I had a cake on my first post too, why?

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Do you think I was expecting that my vote would bother you in some way?

I think you were expecting some form of a reaction from me. *shrug*

And they were right, that was a reaction. Not sure what it means but hopefully they do.

@goodmorning I get why you responded to peoples question about your vote with asking them to try and answer the question themselves but I do hope after you see their reactions and responses you do eventually answer the question yourself.

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As per the actual question, I think its not so much as real vote as a reactionary test. You're testing the waters to see who cares, and why they do.

You shouldn't have said this. I'm pretty sure its a reaction test too but reaction tests lose their effectiveness if everyone is aware of them so I came up with another reason why goodmornign would be asking that question.

Guess you could say the

CAT

's out of the bag hehe. Though I think even without mentioning it everyone knew that it was a reaction test so not much harm done, maybe ppl would have answered slighlty differently.

UNVOTE: Goldfish Because I don't actually think she's sus (yet?!)

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As per the actual question, I think its not so much as real vote as a reactionary test. You're testing the waters to see who cares, and why they do.

You shouldn't have said this. I'm pretty sure its a reaction test too but reaction tests lose their effectiveness if everyone is aware of them so I came up with another reason why goodmornign would be asking that question.

Guess you could say the

CAT

's out of the bag hehe. Though I think even without mentioning it everyone knew that it was a reaction test so not much harm done, maybe ppl would have answered slighlty differently.

UNVOTE: Goldfish Because I don't actually think she's sus (yet?!)

What kinds of reaction tests do you all see people making??????

Isn't every post a reaction test at the end of the day? (commence the x-files theme)

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Okay, I think they are asking what are the normal types of reaction tests I see are because asking ppl to answer their own questions was too obvious 'I feel like I should be offended that you think I'd be that obvious with a reaction test'. but the answer is idrk if i can give a textbook version of a reaction test. As mentioned previously they work best when ppl arent aware that it is a reaction test. stuff like voting for someone or saying a comment you dont 100% agree with just to see the reaction, usually targeted at a specific player.

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I should've added more grammar

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I also think the question was rhetorical in the first place

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I'm sad noone has asked me who I was previously but am now not town reading. Or guessed.

If you wanted to tell us why didn't you say it earlier? Also like catboi I too assumed it was goodmorning.

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Actually have time to focus my attention on this game now.


VOTE: cat.jpeg


I think she's playing it a bit safe so far.

I was just being happy seeing I was the only one not voting or being voted, why you gotta ruin it like that?
I feel like a lot of the votes right now are unjustified and all over the place.

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syugar seems like obvious town though, so that's a start. Bringing the jolt this game needed.

I wanted to respond to this saying I strongly disagreed with them being obvious town but I see its already been resolved, kinda sucks rarely being active at the same time as others. But in reference to me playing too safe, a lot of the questions/accusations I have are said by someone else before I can answer. Also I still dont have any clear scumreads rn.

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I think I need to read some ISO's but right now tentative TRs on Goldfish, Goodmorning, and Notajumble (though i would like them to post some more)

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I think I need to read some ISO's but right now tentative TRs on Goldfish, Goodmorning, and Notajumble (though i would like them to post some more)

to elaborate, Goldfish seems town to me due to how little she has posted, as town and mafia she usually posts a lot so its odd in general she isnt posting as much but I do feel its a town thing because as mafia she would probably be trying control the game a bit more and subtly buddying people.

goodmorning combatively pointing out how being combative isnt a town tell seems townie though might just be a play. Also something about their wallposting feels towny

With NotAJumble honestly i just have a vague town vibe so far.

So I know this isnt very solid but oh well.

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GOldfish just posted a bit but still

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She has also been budding ppl (kinda), i removed that but then didnt copy the version with it gone

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GOldfish just posted a bit but still

Full disclosure I was just prodded

HAH

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Although having said what I just did, I kind of agree with cat boi here, cat.jpeg, it feels like you've been playing a bit safer than usual, and I'm getting very null vibes which worries me. Another thing is you saying the votes seem random immediately after someone votes for you, which feels like a scum tactic, trying to invalidate votes on you by saying there isn't much reasoning behind them.

I have been 'playing it safe' because i cant get any good reads because theres barely anything, we are only already on page 5 because everyone has been quoting stuff. I'm not saying I want a huge string of meaningless posts but I would like some more from some people. I just looked at activity and my town reads are all people who havent posted very much so, um, post most more so i can see if i still town read you even then.
I was gonna say all the posts were random and unjustified after I saw how many people had just one vote, and Syugars quick 2 votes. As for invalidating catbois vote, lets be honest, 'playing it too safe'

is

pretty unreasonable. Especially since they never asked me anything or tried to interact with me.

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typed that before i saw ur posts, we must be on the same wavelength.

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She has also been budding ppl (kinda), i removed that but then didnt copy the version with it gone

Who is it you think I've been buddying?
I haven't even shared any townreads I don't think.

All your early posts have some buddying type thing, maybe your just being nice idk
Also no town reads?????? sound kinda safe to me /j

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Are u going to?

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Cat boi is also null, they've made some posts I agree with and some I definitely don't so I'm not sure.

Agreeing with someone does not equal them being town and disagreeing with someone doesn't make them scum. Also you literally have the exact same reasons as me for not having strong reads so you better not keep useing the playing safe argument against me.

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Sorry for not posting for a while. I will start contributing to the game again in 11 hrs. Goldfishes reads are kinda like nothing but i dont blame her.

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1. If you disagree with syugar being obvious town, do you not scumread them?

still null

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I assume so

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Sorry for not posting for a while. I will start contributing to the game again in 11 hrs. Goldfishes reads are kinda like nothing but i dont blame her.

How long will we say this?

I'd like to suggest that everyone might consider posting a readslist in their next post, by which I mean, post a readslist in your next post or post a good reason why not. Don't make me sad. Make a content happen instead of bemoaning that it's not.

Point taken.
I will make a readlist.

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From town to scum (but imagine catboi and GM are tied)

Ash towny posts 29 34 59

NotAJumble, need more, could be scumbuddies with GoodMorning because GM is townreading them a lot for very little but seems too obvious, still town vibe kinda

Goldfish, stop referencing what you would do normally as scum, showing your so aware of it and telling people means you actually wouldnt do that as scum unless you were trying to lose.

Bella 26, 27, 28 arent scum/scum interactions. Post 140 and 163 in regards to goldfish (and me) completely go against 182 and 3 most recent posts which i dont love, not finding much AI stuff, do you scumread t02?

Syugar, im kinda lost on u

t02, hmmmmmmmmm

Goodmorning, has been voting for Catboi since their second post, dont know how to read that, I know how catboi would tho. Also post 62 'That said, while I was going back and checking votes, I noticed something mildly interesting about catboi's voting pattern, if you can call it a pattern yet.' what? (sorry if i missed where u answered) Also shoulda asked earlier but what is the beetlejuice tell, its not on the wiki. Post 157, who was i buddying. You and syugar did a 180. Especially you. You gave reasons but eh feels weird when ur sticking to the catboi scumread so hard.

Catboi do you still townlean t02? also you seem to avoid being aggressive in newbie games because 'it's prone to be misinterpreted' but you have townread t02 and Syugar (89, 90, 96) for being aggressive why? (with syugar u said in 110 the early aggressive posts may not have actually been that townie but in 147 you went back to saying it was)

Most ppl are town reading bella
Most ppl are scumreading ash
catboi and gm are heavily scumreading each other and voting for each other and i think everyone else is kinda split on them

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Tell me this isn't polarized from Aspho, I think I'm good here

I dont wanna read anymore, pls give specific examples. my head hurts

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Also to be clear i dont like the three posts of ash's i thought were townie i just didnt see scum making them.

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this game will become a lot clearer with flip info, mafia is playing pretty well.

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@mod, jumble needs a prod
@catjpeg, have you got any questions for me? You seem a bit muddled on me, I tend to prefer to chat things through.

Can you explain any opinions you have about t02?
I think catboi didn’t specifically try to pocket you. After other ppls responses to your question do you still townread him?
I think you are probably town but wouldn’t be too surprised if you weren’t.

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I don't know if I understand the ordering of this 100%, another note to self to come back later and take another look.

At that time I didn’t know any of Ash’s normal play style I just thought in general she looked like town. Now I’m not as sure so I would probably put her just above u and catboi. The rest of the order I still agree with.

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Didn't realize how close we were to deadline. If I had to choose

right this instant

I'd vote asphodelus's slot over T02 but hopefully the replacement can give us a little more.

I share the same sentiment. Is it possible or likely to get a day 1 extension to help read these slots. I dont really want to vote for one without allowing the replacement to really say anything.

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In post 216, catboi wrote:

In post 181, goodmorning wrote:
Reads, since I asked, on a spectrum from most Town to least (gaps indicate gaps in level of seriousness):

syugar

Numbers

Bella
(1/2 gap)
Goldfish
T02
Cat

Ash

catboi

Feel free to ask about any of these.

If I'm your strongest scum read you should probably be putting words to that.

Probably!

I don't like this. I just looked through GM's ISO while searching catboi. Most of the stuff they said about catboi was just disagreeing with things they said. At the start they scumread the manufacturedness of post 17, which i kinda get but I dont think that's a great reason. The response of putting out welcoming and friendly vibes in a newbie game made sense to me. Since then you havent actually pointed to catboi being scummy just them being wrong. Please put words to it.

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I think a lot of the game feels fragmented for this reason - T02 and Numbers are each almost a party of one, and Cat and Goldfish feel like a party of two, plus the limited interaction from Ash, so really there are only 4 slots interacting with other slots regularly.

I think this comment is good and like its from a town perspective, or well emulating a town perspective, would like peoples thoughts.

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I really don't like the way you position things in 'either/or' 'probably town' but wouldn't be surprised if I wasn't, 'any opinions" feels weirdly shady.

That's just how I talk, especially when im not sure, which

i wouldnt be suprised if

im

probably maybe and potentially

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I'll be honest: I'm not particularly interested in haranguing you for justification for your scumread of me. If you're going to be tight-lipped about it I'm just going to move on.

I would like to know why. Out of curiosity and to see if its justified. Catboi idk why you are so apathetic to this, i know some people dont question scumreads on themselves because it can make them seem overly defensive and nervous but it cant be good for town for GM to have what seems like a strong scumread but not explain it. They should want to convince other people and get you voted out.

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Goldfish I still need to see a scum game for (which nobody has shown/linked me, unfortunately) but without meta I assume that slot is also a likely hit.

She has no scum games on this site. I have played with her when she was scum before but I cant send you a link. What I can say is one time (in a closed game) she and her mafia partner pretended her partner was a detective who had detected her as anti town. Then she claimed survivor and asked town to not vote for her. It didn't work but I believed them. They didn't really need to do this though because she wasn't about to be voted out or being heavily sussed anyway, at least that i can remember. (we played very casual games) That might give you an idea of what scum her is like? She would have definitely changed how she plays on this site though.

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Scumreading Bella, Syugar, and t02 tight now for not having cat a pfp. YOU MUST CONFORM /j

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I think I need to read some ISO's but right now tentative TRs on Goldfish, Goodmorning, and Notajumble (though i would like them to post some more)

pretty keen to hear more on why you townread any of these 3? I can see one of them kinda

I think I need to read some ISO's but right now tentative TRs on Goldfish, Goodmorning, and Notajumble (though i would like them to post some more)

to elaborate, Goldfish seems town to me due to how little she has posted, as town and mafia she usually posts a lot so its odd in general she isnt posting as much but I do feel its a town thing because as mafia she would probably be trying control the game a bit more and subtly buddying people.

goodmorning combatively pointing out how being combative isnt a town tell seems townie though might just be a play. Also something about their wallposting feels towny

With NotAJumble honestly i just have a vague town vibe so far.

So I know this isnt very solid but oh well.

what are you seeing in goodmorning which makes you think their motivation is to find town and not to undermine people accurately townreading each other? There's a dissonance between "I'd expect goldfish to be trying to steer this game" and "goodmorning is town for the way they're steering this game" - I'm not sure I see why you think the way goodmorning is tackling this game is towny?

I also kinda like goodmorning btw I'm just left a bit confused by your townread there

NAJON + goldfish reads are fine

I don't have the same opinions anymore but I still think goldfish's slot is town. I townread GM for steering the game but also townread goldfish for

not

steering the game because i know goldfish. I dont think steering the game is scummy in general unless it seems forced which GM didnt.

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The beetlejuice tell is not a thing, but.......... then the OMGUS??? And those were the only 4 things deemed relevant for discussion??????

@syugar: RE: 80:
1. You literally quoted, in the same post, catboi admitting that I was at least correct that the helpfulness/friendliness was at least partially manufactured, so clearly my read did have some actual substance to it.
2. Speaking of actual substance, how much of that do you actually expect to see in literally post 21?
3. Are you saying that your feelings are, in fact, facts? Because I can definitely tell you that's not how that works.
4. Consider this me defending your pushback, which is clearly based on

lies and slander.

There's nothing substantive about pointing out random posts as being manufactured. I wouldn't even consider it something that helps people get out of RVS, because you inevitably fall back on "it's the VIBES" so discussions cannot go anywhere. I don't really like the approach.

Which parts were lies and slander? You're admitting that your read is thin in this very post in point #2 which confirms everything that I said.

Literally point 1 demonstrates that my read has been admitted to contain at least one accurate component but go ahead and keep not reading I guess! It's a lie to say there was nothing to it and it's also a lie to say discussion about it can't go anywhere because I feel like this one sure is! If you have a better page 1 approach than just saying "here is a thing I found mildly scummy" then I would sure love to hear what it is!

What makes you think I was making a deliberate move to exit RVS rather than, I don't know, maybe trying to establish some reads for myself?

The beetlejuice tell is not a thing, but.......... then the OMGUS?

The progression to voting me doesn't make sense. There's nothing being said, so you vote the person who has not and shows no signs of coming to the thread? Why?

Why did it take you this long to come up with an explanation for your naked OMGUS vote?

syugar seems like obvious town though, so that's a start. Bringing the jolt this game needed.

Strongly disagree. Some people are just combative, and frankly this looks to me like combativeness just for the sake of it rather than any attempt to actually solve the game. syugar appears to be trying to take on the "I'm right and everyone should follow me, do not question me at any time, I am the town leader" role, which I strongly distrust,

especially

in the context of a Newbie game, where people don't necessarily have any experience of this kind of playstyle. It's also just obnoxious tbh, there's only one player I've ever enjoyed seeing do anything like this and he doesn't play here anymore.

Hard to put myself back into what I was thinking at the time. I didnt have a lot to base stuff off but the wallposting after at the start catboi said wallposting gets scumread I thought was townie because why would scum want to do that. Pointing out that being combative isnt towny and some people just play like that i though was townie because combativeness being townread would benefit GM this game so why would they do that as scum. These arent great reasons though and if I was scum I would probably be aware that doing that, although risky, might get me townread so thats why later i didnt townread them. Just seemed like scum would be more cautious but I probably need to read a GM scum game to see what they are usually like.

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I don't have the same opinions anymore but I still think goldfish's slot is town. I townread GM for steering the game but also townread goldfish for

not

steering the game because i know goldfish. I dont think steering the game is scummy in general unless it seems forced which GM didnt.

Steering

the game where and how? Did you see #294:

Tl;dr: I only push a wagon hard if 1. I think it will go through or 2. I have a ride or die scumread that I'm 100% on.

This game is not those atm.

Felt GMs excuse a bit of cop-out but they did give a summary of their catboi case so i will leave it. They seem to have become less combative. I used the term steering because the worst did but i think they were leading the early game, not trying to push for votes but definitely being very vocal about their opinions.
Appreciate the cat pfp even though its kinda confusing!

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actually maybe they arent less combative

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i wonder if i'm better tackling this a different way - who do you think we should be eliminating in the next 48 hours?

I dont have many strong opinions on this. I'd be fine voting bella, the worst, and catboi or gm (though I think we could leave those 2 for later). I'm

okay

with voting for tidus but if they flip town its not gonna be very helpful and im pretty much null on the slot (and would feel bad because its his first game.)

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I havent had time to read this today but I will do it tmr morning. This is me just avoiding getting prodded, sorry.

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I have gotten to Tidus's rep in, and I have found an equally bad reason to think that Tidus is town as that reason that I thought that cat.jpeg was town. These are the posts that caught my attention.

Spoiler:

What is up with that cake that is on some posts, I had a cake on my first post too, why?

Also, what's this ISO option on posts?

They both read as genuine curiosity to me that pings me as town.

Like, newbie scum, generally self conscious, sees something that they don't understand - I picture them seeking refuge in their PT where they would feel safe, and they can ask their partner, to avoid possibly looking dumb in the main thread.

I don't think this is a reason to townread someone at all. Didnt think about it when i asked but I would have definitely asked still if i was scum, probably even more so because of how innocuous it would make me look.

Also what does maj mean, i have guessed from context but would like to make sure I have the correct definition. I will be making a lot of posts soon, it will take a while though but most of you are sleeping so its fine.

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I have gotten to Tidus's rep in, and I have found an equally bad reason to think that Tidus is town as that reason that I thought that cat.jpeg was town. These are the posts that caught my attention.

Spoiler:

What is up with that cake that is on some posts, I had a cake on my first post too, why?

Also, what's this ISO option on posts?

They both read as genuine curiosity to me that pings me as town.

Like, newbie scum, generally self conscious, sees something that they don't understand - I picture them seeking refuge in their PT where they would feel safe, and they can ask their partner, to avoid possibly looking dumb in the main thread.

I don't think this is a reason to townread someone at all. Didnt think about it when i asked but I would have definitely asked still if i was scum, probably even more so because of how innocuous it would make me look.

Also what does maj mean, i have guessed from context but would like to make sure I have the correct definition. I will be making a lot of posts soon, it will take a while though but most of you are sleeping so its fine.

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Huh, it was ash, and their weird vote made me rethink but in hindsight I don't think it's that scummy. Maybe I should've explained more, but I find it interesting to see if other people can interpret others' responses/if they'd seen something 'scummy'.

I'm not tr-ing GM yet, which is weird, as they were lock town by page two last time.

@catboi, that post was plucked out of a hat: they all feel a bit like that. But thank you for considering it anyway, i have really liked your last few posts. I'm starting to agree that the game needs some impetus anyway.

@cst, do you have any town reads? Everyone is a weird pile of null for me but I think it's because people are being a bit cautious.

Cats iso about Bella

I'm sad noone has asked me who I was previously but am now not town reading. Or guessed.

If you wanted to tell us why didn't you say it earlier? Also like catboi I too assumed it was goodmorning.

suggests a slight scum read. I answered, no follow up

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Bella 26, 27, 28 arent scum/scum interactions. Post 140 and 163 in regards to goldfish (and me) completely go against 182 and 3 most recent posts which i dont love, not finding much AI stuff, do you scumread t02?

Again, a bit of a vague scum read but only one question. Doesn't want to find out why I've made what looks like a contradiction.

I really don't like the way you position things in 'either/or' 'probably town' but wouldn't be surprised if I wasn't, 'any opinions" feels weirdly shady.

That's just how I talk, especially when im not sure, which

i wouldnt be suprised if

im

probably maybe and potentially

not

Just a response. Im not seeing a desire to work anything out, or anything concrete.

1. does not suggest a slight scumread (on you) (on GM if thats who you meant then it

kinda

does.) You did answer why you didnt say who you werent townreading anymore and i was satisfied with that answer as I could see you were trying to create discussion and see what other people were thinking and what other people thought you were thinking. I did not ask anymore about that point.
However I did answer the question you had for me at the end, you possibly didnt find it because i did not quote the question because i was responding immediately after you.

2. I do want to find out why you made a contradiction, that's why i pointed it out, i will ask directly in future. Why did you make, what looks like to me, a contradiction?
Also not a scumread, rather a complete null. Which it still is.

3. As mentioned in the post that's just how I talk, what do we work out? how i should convey the fact that im not sure about something or that i want any opinions without using the words 'probably' and 'any' as to not seem

shady

? There is nothing concrete to take from this. Also slightly hypocritical posts 183 and 231 have you talking similarly. As you can see I have omitted the word 'kinda' above to not seem shady, hope you are appeased. Sorry if that was petty.

Early in the game i was wary of you being widely townread and coasting by the rest of the game.

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I don't think I like, quite get the cat.jpeg townreads if I'm honest? they do feel lost and they are posting a fair bit but like. i feel like what they are posting is kinda mostly safe. town is incentivised to find scum, and i'm not sure what they have been posting really does anything to accomplish that? on the other hand, i feel like cat feels like a lot of what cat is posting

looks

good. I think cat's exchange with goldfish felt really dissonant - for a convo where neither party was meant to townread each other, it felt like they found each other very quickly without anything really.. advancing at all.. i just feel like cat's entire read on goldfish has been quite surface and hard to align with how confident cat seems.

i feel very strange that it feels like so many people are quite comfortable on cat being town and i'm just.. not sure i see it? i just feel like cat is just kinda floating thru the game and i am aware that is consistent with lost town but i also don't really see the "town" part of cat's iso so far?

if i'm right on cat or if i'm wrong on cat, i still think tidus is independently scum. maybe vanity voting is the best move for me.

I was townreading goldfish at the time IIRC. I have no idea why people have tried to glean so much from my conversation with goldfish, it was inconsequential to me. I was confused when Catboi suddenly turned around and townread me but I knew others would question it. I dont know if its just me but i prefer analysing people from afar and their interactions with others, rather than with me.

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@catboi, that's really not what I'm saying? I feel their whole vibe just lacks direction The stuff you occasionally pick out from him as being 'towny' doesn't actually feel like content at all. I guess I can see that pointing out that you are doing a thing you maybe identified as scummy at least looks like critical thinking but ....so what? To what end? Is there any follow up to see if you wall post more as town than scum? It lacks drive.


P-edit.... I kind of get what you two are saying but like....you seem to be holding fairly high standards for 'newb scum woukd do this' and letting a lot go under 'newb town'. *Shrug* maybe I'm a dick though.

It's possible I'm incorrectly making a lot of assumptions, but it's a really inefficient and un-intuitive angle to take as scum, and as a rule of thumb the population as a whole rarely does this when they're scum (lists like 5 people to vote)

If Tidus isn't scum, the worlds I think are viable at the moment are worst/goodmorning, worst/catboi, or one of worst/catboi/goodmorning being partnered with Lukewarm

Would like to put these posts next to each other (i know its not quite the same thing but still, 5 people possibly scum). Ftr I townread syugar right now (not exactly for what is above), i showed some resistance to them earlier because like bella I didnt like the widely accepted unjustified townread that was forming. Their posts make sense, come from a town perspective, and are helpful.
As for me listing 5 people who I didn't mind get getting out, i stand by that post, bella, GM, and catboi were nulls but would give good info, tidus and the worst i thought were likely to be scum. That's a lot of people but this game, as mentioned by many, is a lot of null.

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oh no now I think you're town too

The toxoplasma gondii effect

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Just know that you probably won't get very much information if I am eliminated, if we eliminate T02 or Cat.jpeg, even if whichever one is eliminated isn't scum, we get some information out of it due to their reads, and I would say there may be a good chance of either of them being scum

Information out of the flip, you know, like discrediting townreads if they flip mafia and strengthening them if they flip town

I do think after someone flips scum something can be gained from their reads, but if they flip town i dont think you should strengthen townreads or hold their opinions as more correct. I dont want to be the one to hammer you but

intent to hammer

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:lol: I remember reading about toxoplasma gondii, great call.

it would be really weird to suddenly yeet catboi at the 11th hour right? Tidus is the right yeet right?
.....right?

didn't see this, I dont love the tidus push as much as i wish i did and think they might be town although there are good reasons for the scumread. Though if no tidus i would prefer to go for you...

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Just know that you probably won't get very much information if I am eliminated, if we eliminate T02 or Cat.jpeg, even if whichever one is eliminated isn't scum, we get some information out of it due to their reads, and I would say there may be a good chance of either of them being scum

Information out of the flip, you know, like discrediting townreads if they flip mafia and strengthening them if they flip town

I do think after someone flips scum something can be gained from their reads, but if they flip town i dont think you should strengthen townreads or hold their opinions as more correct. I dont want to be the one to hammer you but

intent to hammer

I plan to wait on the hammer for 22hrs ish, to be clear.

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Why don't you want to be the one to hammer?

because I would have felt bad as its his first game on this site and also I was not convinced he was scum. I was still willing to do it though because unless we voted someone else who flipped red then day 2 we would probably have voted tidus anyway and ended up in e-lo.

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VOTE: catboi

nvm I dig this

VOTE: cat.jpeg

VOTE: Tidus

VOTE: cat.jpeg

Thoughts on Tidus in that case? Goldfish' slot? This isn't my exhaustive POE but I'd rather not be vanity voting this close to deadline.

VOTE: Tidus back to my vanity vote ~~~ !!!

it would be really weird to suddenly yeet catboi at the 11th hour right? Tidus is the right yeet right?
.....right?

I maintain Tidus very likely flips town

still no idea why you maintain this btw

VOTE: Lukewarm good counterwagon, thanks.

naw nevermind
VOTE: catboi

i have no words.

VOTE: Tidus

I really dont know enough to determine if this is scummy or not. The Worst seems very comfortable with joining whatever wagon is going, which is what they did in their first vote (and they said so but i cut out quite a bit so this wouldnt take up so much space). They flip back and forth and have been riding around the cat.jpeg, catboi and tidus merry-go-round.
I dont love 403 and 405. They say they are pretty confident with voting for me, get voted by catboi for that, and then retreat and go back to vote titus after saying they would not. (I dont know what a vanity vote is). The Worst clearly has the main goal of not getting voted out, which they have been self aware of, again idk how to read that.
Also in 539 they question if tidus is the right yeet, implying they think he might be town, and then have no idea why catboi is still saying tidus is town afterwards.

I feel like i have no idea what their actual reads are.

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the worst
Bellaphant
syugar
goodmorning probably?
catboi - town or cat.jpeg partner if powering thru
Takemi
Goldfish, cat.jpeg has one and I think it's cat.jpeg
tidus slot is probably just scum

Do you still think this?

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RE: the worst 370: do not like. "The consensus is ok voting Tidus so me too"! Pretty much directly opposed to some of what I liked about their entrance.

This is the opposite of what that post says. :P Nobody seems ok voting Tidus, which is why I think it needs to be done.

I think cat.jpeg is pretty townie. I very slightly have a good gut feeling about Bella. We're making progress.

ah sigh. I like the fish but I think cat.jpeg has been looking for allies rather than looking for alignments.

VOTE: cat.jpeg quite comfortable going here. I am a little nervous that I'm likely to be a default elim, probably largely based on my pred being busy irl, which is like fine. Just please keep a counterwagon going, and please do not hammer me until I've had a chance to check in.

So, again: maybe you're just seeing things that I am not but I don't really get how you're scumreading cat.jpeg here?


VOTE: the worst

Thoughts on Tidus in that case? Goldfish' slot? This isn't my exhaustive POE but I'd rather not be vanity voting this close to deadline.

In this post you forget you are voting me and not tidus, so shortly after you vote tidus, then you see bella voting me so you join that, then catboi goes against that so you go back to tidus. I didnt look at just your votes but they are important and they make no sense.

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Like, I push on jpeg, catboi chimes in sayingns very basic statement is town - no, catjpeg checking meta and backing themselves up would be town, and then misreps my issue with him entirely. Jpeg doesn't think my issue is him having a 'disagreeable idea'. If jpeg flips town this feels really white knighting.

You have called me he/him a couple of times. It doesnt bother me that much but when i first read this I got confused because I didnt think you were talking abt me when you said he. My pronouns are they/them or she/her.
As for the post I do think Catboi has been a little too defensive of me and tidus. I think its better to let someone defend themselves so you can keep developing your read off of that. (although tidus would probably never have responded himself) However I see that catboi was later getting scumread for doing this, town can white knight for each other. I see the point in the TMI thing, it makes sense, but i feel like as an experienced player scum catboi would expect that having such a strong townread on tidus would be seen as TMI.

My reads right now
syugar
catboi, lukewarm
bella

t02, goodmorning
the worst

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If both prs claim neither of them will definitely die (because we have a protective role) unless we have a mafia roleblocker which is a 2/5 chance. If there isn’t a roleblocker then I think its still unlikely doctor/jailkeeper will save the nk and it will be wifom thing. Bit better chance if it’s a jailkeeper though but still not good odds. I think the prs should claim tmr. If one of the prs dies sure we miss out on a potential conf town that they could of told us of, but on day 3 we can just look at their biggest townread from today. As for if a jailkeeper dies well yea their info will be lost.

About jailkeeper, obviously a conf mafia is more useful than a conf town but is a 'either mafia or nightkill' more useful than a conf town? im not sure but if we had a jailkeeper they probably picked someone with the intention of protecting them or stopping them from killing so they likely have an opinion about whether their target is town or not. I'm opposed to mass claim today unless we have a jailkeeper with somebody they think is scum (or a different role with a guilty but obviously you should always claim if ur that). If thats the case then the jailkeeper should claim then we should start popcorning after that. I don't think its good to have only one of the prs claiming, it should be all or none based off of what happened in my last game where scum claimed tracker, a role that was compatible with both real prs so neither counterclaimed. Anyway if none of the prs claim we can just assume they only have conf towns. (i guess if somebody had a conf townread on the worst or GM or something that would be useful too, up to you if you want to claim on that)

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Also I figured out what I didn't like about Cat using the same words as me - mirroring can be used to buddy (& is the most common method of irl buddying, intentional and otherwise). Whether that means anything here is still undecided.

I am also mirroring your pfp. Anyway I had no idea you used 'I don't love' so much until I checked your iso, it was completely subconscious. My scheming is no where near the purposefully copying mannerisms level yet. Also hate to say it but you townreading me probably wouldnt help me too much this game.

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I don't get how voting many people is a soft pr claim either.

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Im also pretty split right now between the worst and GM but im pretty confident at least one of them is scum. I will iso them tmr and figure out which one is more sus. Also im assuming at this point we arent going to mass claim.

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Im also pretty split right now between the worst and GM but im pretty confident at least one of them is scum. I will iso them tmr and figure out which one is more sus. Also im assuming at this point we arent going to mass claim.

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Votecount 2.03

Goodmorning: (3) catboi, the worst, Takemikazuchi02
The worst: (2) goodmorning, bellaphant, syugar

Not Voting (2): cat.jpeg, Lukewarm

With 8 alive it takes 5 to Eliminate.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2022-05-19 08:00:00)

Not to jump the gun but right now I feel like the people voting for either the worst or GM aren't scumbuddies with who they are voting for because is they were they could very easily make the vote 2 to 4 without looking sus. I honestly have no idea who their partners might be among the remaining people though. I dont think they are paired with each other because even though in this situation they would be trying to distance themselves as much as possible so the other one would get towncred if one flipped red but even at the start of the game Ash and GM didn't seem paired. Right now I feel like GM is the best vote but im hesitant to put them at E-1.

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We can still stop it for now. I think most people assumed the worst would claim vt after they ignored the talk about them soft claiming.

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I feel like the worst is almost too scummy to be scum though. (sorry for being inactive)

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Damn the prs pulled through. Okay now we can popcorn. GM should obviously start. Should keep the 'town or pr' thing or just say the role because the prs might have good info by now.

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hey im finally back. Sorry if some of u are already sleeping. Im a VT :). Basically T02 must be Jailkeeper to stop the kills.

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Kinda sad we cant get any definite info from this but its also very fun. I think the fact that whoever you jailed both days was either mafia or the nk should be enough for us to figure it out.
Can i make a guess that at least one of the days Bella was jailed?

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Nights*

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We are in C2 to directly say it.
Right now i think to2 and catboi are definitely town. Lukewarm I still think is town just went down the wrong track a little. Syugars probably town too. GM and bella looking sus.

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Also I want to pint out mafia would have known we had just one pr and it was a jailkeeper from the start of day 2 because they knew we were in the C column and there was a protective role. Idk if that helps with anything but im glad we didnt claim yesterday.

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We are in C2 to directly say it.
Right now i think to2 and catboi are definitely town. Lukewarm I still think is town just went down the wrong track a little. Syugars probably town too. GM and bella looking sus.

As for the post I do think Catboi has been a little too defensive of me and tidus. I think its better to let someone defend themselves so you can keep developing your read off of that. (although tidus would probably never have responded himself) However I see that catboi was later getting scumread for doing this, town can white knight for each other. I see the point in the TMI thing, it makes sense, but i feel like as an experienced player scum catboi would expect that having such a strong townread on tidus would be seen as TMI.

My reads right now
syugar
catboi, lukewarm
bella

t02, goodmorning
the worst

Why do you think those people are town?

- Takemi is conf town.
- I've been townreading you for a while now after the tidus thing and because you just seemed very townie to me. I also think GM is scum and don't think your interactions are S/S.
- Lukewarm has been trying to solve and I could easily see the reasoning coming from town. I also townread the slot from Goldfish, not definite tho.
- With Syugar they just seem too open to be scum I also can't see posts like 720 coming from scum because if they were they would be fine with what was happening and The Worst being voted, instead they voted the worst, then Luke, then back to the worst. This is purely off of vibe so Im less sure than the others. Also some their posts simply dont make sense to me, sometimes because grammar, sometimes because logic.

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i am partial to elimming jpeg first for a possible jk clear

We may be able to more or less "automatically" win if we just elim catjpeg here if it isn't but I dunno

pls explain

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I can't squint and understand the progression on the gm, looks almost random and every post is wishy washy

Looking at this it might seem like I scumread GM the townread them then scumread them again. I actually just lightly townread them early in the game then scumread them for the rest of it.
348 and 352 might look like im saying why I townread GM but english sucks and 'read' present tense and 'read' past tense are spelt the same. I was actually explaining my past logic and at the time of both those posts I didn't townread them. You also said my iso looked partnered with GM, any examples? Also why are you more confident I am scum than GM when ur case on me is that I look partnered with GM!?

Anyway VOTE: GoodMorning

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I think that the scum team would hope that the jk could be night killed without outing their target - which coincidentally, is something that cat.jpeg said explicitly "As for if a jailkeeper dies well yea their info will be lost."

I also noticed that cat.jpeg spent a lot of time talking explicitly about the jailkeeper possibility. Like says doc exactly once as part of a "doctor/jailkeeper" and then proceeds to talk about jailkeeper for the rest of the post.

I also highlighted goodmorning's comment about cat.jpeg, which feels awkward? And also surprising that goodmorning is now walking into day 3 with a cat.jpeg town read.

I am feeling a lot better about the gm+cat.jpeg solve atm. They both walked into day 2 against the mass claim, because they were worried about a guilty on one of them. Goodmorning's comment also looks like an awkward attemt to distance from cat.jpeg - which would make sense if GM is worried about having a guilty on them.

Okay but why does this make me scum (and not the other people who didn't want to massclaim)?.

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U stole my 1000'th post :(

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There's no point in protecting bella, just gives the mafia impunity to kill you while we don't realistically learn anything because bella is never being voted off

Also, if you have gut suspicion of Bella that nobody shares, keep in mind that you will be the one dying tonight so if your guess is wrong it doesn't really help anyone else. We're left with basically nothing different than the previous day as we're unsure about very many other suspects

cat jpeg voting gm is a bit weird for my view of this table but idk whats going on

Do u even read my posts? I scumread bella. I have also been scumreading GM for basically the entire game. For those who townread Bella, why?

For the record I'm fine with being jailed because im either cleared or theres a no-kill. I would prefer Bella but whatever.

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I scumread bella because of process of elimination. She and GM are the only people who dont seem towny to me. There's not a lot I can point to and say look at how scummy this is but theres also nothing that I feel she would say only as town and not as scum. Thats why I asked people why they townread bella but no one responded. I also scumread her as shes the only person I can partnered with GM. I scumread GM more than anyone right now though.

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I saw that Bella also prefered to start with jpeg, and syugar+bella+me is enough to put jpeg to e-1, so it can be done - and was considering if it was worth it to see what goodmorning would do if jpeg was at e-1 since we cant see what jpeg would do with goodmorning was at e-1 since his vote is already there.

If Goodmorning was on e-1 and I wasn't already on the wagon I would hammer them.
The idea of putting me at e-1 to see what GM does is stupid. If they hammer they are sus for hammering a townie when they apparently townread them. If they don't hammer then they are sus because we are paired.

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I scumread bella because of process of elimination. She and GM are the only people who dont seem towny to me. There's not a lot I can point to and say look at how scummy this is but theres also nothing that I feel she would say only as town and not as scum. Thats why I asked people why they townread bella but no one responded. I also scumread her as shes the only person I can partnered with GM. I scumread GM more than anyone right now though.

What led you to guessing that Bella had been jailkept?

Well if she was indeed town then mafia would probably want to kill her at least one of the two nights for how much she was townread. If she was mafia then I also assumed she would've been doing the kill on night 2 after most people said it's either the worst or GM and I feel like mafia would have assumed GM might've been jailed. Since both kills were blocked and she was likely to be involved in a kill either way then I thought she was likely jailed.

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hi

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Reads, since I asked, on a spectrum from most Town to least (gaps indicate gaps in level of seriousness):

syugar

Numbers

Bella
(1/2 gap)
Goldfish
T02
Cat

Ash

catboi

Readslist, very generally:

Town
T02- confirmed by un-cc'd claim
Bella - has shown clear and transparent thought processes throughout the game, none of which seem manufactured
Luke - has been obviously attempting to solve the game, particularly today; minor issues regarding the massclaiming stuff but I think it was well-meant
Cat - started to drop some newbTown tells, including the one I pointed out earlier; while their wishy-washy reads tend to look scummy, those also can be an indication of lost newbTown
catboi - I don't know anymore; I think one way then I think the other way. Fairly sure we've been of opposing mindsets and moods throughout
syugar - has a lot of posts but not a lot of content; as soon as he started being widely townread, he stopped trying altogether. His early posts today looked very much like someone trying to set up against a soft guilty
Scum

There's not much change in these reads except people died and TO2 was made conf town. Except syugar who it looked like they were confident in being town above everyone else. Now GM has a vote on Syugar and is scumreading them while suygar was trying to kill me before GM for, what I consider to be, nonsense reasons. They could be paired but I think bella is likely too.

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okay

do you have thoughts on syugar hammering after i said i wanted to wait for t02

When I first read that post I didn't realise you were saying Take as in Takemikazuchi02 i thought you were saying take, the english word, so I was kinda confused. Maybe that's what happened to Syugar too.

I feel like it's easy to see what you want to in this situation though because you could argue that the change in GM's reads is too blatant for them to be partners, maybe a misdirect, and that even though GM was gonna die anyway partnered syugar would want hold off voting for them, or at least not just come into the thread, hammer, then leave.

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Yea, if GM's red and you die we need a clear.

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I still think its bella, need to reread, don't have time right now. I don't think it's luke.

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Bella, throughout the game and more at the start mentioned that it was weird they didn't TR Goodmorning yet and weren't so much on the same page. This feels not paired to me but could be faked.
Some of Bella's reads on me are sus, others seem towny.
The recent post feels like town. Idk.

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Right now I don't feel like anyone is scum :/
Luke has had some bad takes but it feels like it's coming from town

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I will ISO suygar tmr, ive been putting it off because of how long it is.

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I want to vote bella too despite my recent posts I feel like she's the best choice and if i do change i will regret it later. I will not make it e-1 quite yet though.

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I'm probably getting NK'd if it's not Bella and idk who i would want voted out then.

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Okay, I've been trying to read posts only to realise I haven't actually processed any of the words, im exhausted right now. I know I haven't contributed much after being cleared. I have a feeling Syugar is town. He keeps saying he's gonna leave and then coming back. I know there's a thing where its assumed mafia care more about winning and might be more likely to do this but it feels not like that.

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Spoiler:

VOTE: goldfish

A better vote.

I just want to repeat this early: a newbie game day one shouldn't last much more than ten pages :)

I don't love this - D1 should last until it runs out of steam or until deadline, whichever comes first. Sometimes that's page 10, sometimes it's page 25. I suspect this might be one of the longer ones but maybe that's just me.

And at both of you: Why’d you assume I was talking about scumreads first? It’s not an unreasonable assumption to make, but it is a (slightly) unnecessary one. I already know about the importance of both townreads and scumreads.

Most people mean "scumreads" when they say "reads", but you're not wrong.

I rather not bring up past games, that was weird.

This is... interesting when you immediately afterwards post 34. Granted the contexts are slightly different but it's an interesting dichotomy of thought.

@GoodMorning, why is your vote serious?

Why do you think?

VOTE: catboi

This is a serious vote.

I'd like to hear the reasoning behind this.

What do you think the reasoning is?

VOTE: catboi

This is a serious vote.

I am unfazed.

Do you think I was expecting that my vote would bother you in some way?

I sort of agree, that you need 'more info' but I think everyone has this weird double think where we know a day 1 elim is probably town and then I think sometimes momentum gets lost. I tend to find day one much easier to look back on with the Info about flips. But yes, w need some content to look back on.

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It's a very nai statement to make though. Scum!Bella is happy to speed through day one and elim a townie ;)

So you do think that 10 pages may be speedy? What makes you think momentum gets lost from second-guessing the wagons more than other factors?

I would also argue that if one's preferred wagon loses momentum, then one should consider pushing harder, but that may also just be me.

Oof, quotestriping on mobile is tedious.

I hate this post from GM.

Taking a break:

Currently don't want Bella, cat.jpeg, catboi, or syugar to be the elim.

I have possibly the most thoughts on Goodmorning of literally any slot in the game, but they are conflicting thoughts so I am having a really hard time sorting her

I would not stand in the way of any of Tidus, the worst, Takem, GM

I am probably done for the night (off to see my mom lol).

At this point, if gth I had to pick the elim it would be between goodmorning or T02.

I won't be mad about the worst or tidus going through, but I would prefer one of the other two.

I have finished my catch up.

VOTE: Tidus

The thing that I like about the ISO comment was a nice ping when I reached that point in the thread, but I did not realize that they literally fell off the face of the thread afterwards, which is definitely not a good look, and makes their in 462 worse.

I also have a worry that would be anti-town to voice currently if we were to start exploring alternative wagons.

This is what I was getting into earlier - Luke is essentially keeping GM at arm's length for all of day 1, mentioning her as a suspect and even suggesting her as a preferred elim, but never exerts any significant pressure there and winds up landing on Tidus for the elim instead. It's basically exactly how I'd expect a scum partner to handle GM.

This was an argument used against me earlier, I don't think it's inherently scummy

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Where are you at with your other reads, though?

Scum to town
I still want to elim Bella, at this point 75% confident although she's playing well and some of her posts are very towny I just think it's the only thing that makes sense. ]I plan on reading her full ISO again before I commit. I want more posts from her
If its not her I think it's you. Idk how I feel about 'I know I will convince Catboi I am town because of how much we have played with each other.' and then when Catboi arrives they give a response that isnt even specific to you, you are playing very differently than earlier with long posts despite implying you were going to put less effort in. First game i played on this site scum did this where they were very casual early on then in elo started wallposting and controlling the thread (they won). It might a personality thing though also its not exactly the same.
Lukewarm, I stand by what i've said before although it wasn't much. I can see what they have said as coming from town.
catboi Right now i don't even want to consider catboi being scum, although maybe you should if it's elo tmr, still very unlikely. Maybe give more thoughts on Syugar?

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I will probably hammer bella, not now, soon

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Someone who knows Catboi (syugar but also anyone else), tell me, ignoring everything else from this game, would catboi be open to doing a crazy bus at the start of this game if he and GM were partnered?

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Yea, probably

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Catboi could have definitely hammered syugar, for quite a long period of time, so could I

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In a catboi, luke, bella elo tho I'm not sure he would win if he was scum.

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@Cat.Jpeg

What do you think about this?

You know if I was maf I could hammer here and win??

Luckily cat is clear and Luke won't self vote but jfc.

No, wait, that isn't how numbers work! But still, that vote feels Hella Risky

In regards to 'you know if I was mafia I could win here but im not gonna do the thing', I think about stuff like that a lot as town and sometimes consider posting something like this, but never do, but I also don't post that as mafia. I don't have any read based on that.
Similar to if catboi elimmed syugar, I don't think scum Bella would want a Bella, Syugar, Catboi elo.
As for the 'thats not how numbers work' I agree with the sentiment of it being risky, not reading it for anything

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i know it's a weird spot for you, jpeg, but if I'm not scum who is it? Honestly.

I don't think it's luke, i dont think its syugar, i guess that leaves catboi but that's an unsatisfying conclusion. if we get a catboi, luke, syugar elo I agree with you that syugar and catboi shouldn't just vote Luke. Im not going to say im 100% confident on luke being town but I would amend my last readlist to put luke as most likely town right now.

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Bella can you give me a readlist. Dont even bother with reasons im tired of reading them, just a list

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it removes the syugar/catboi pairing

Pairing? do you just mean an alliance because there is no role pairing right now, just one mafia goon and 4 townies

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Why is that unsatisfying? Can you explor this a little more with me?

I just think it's catboi. I don't think scum Luke and syugar act like this as scum.

Daystart catboi at the bottom, then for a while it was catboi. Although I disliked Luke's responses to syugae, I still wouldn't call him a scum read: I opened the day saying id probably not vote this slot and that didn't change. But I don't think syugars scum.

I need to read the start of the game again. Unsatisfying in that this whole game one of the only things I was sure of was that Catboi and GoodMorning weren't paired.

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Intent to hammer

even though I have kinda already said this

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That's fine, but it's the little words that matter. You said is 'suddenly' had this read on catjpeg, but it's not new at all - words like that feel very scummy to me. You call it 'suspicious' but I've just shown to what my progression is and you haven't really responded, just defended yourself.

I don't know that I actually have a comment, lol - I appreciate the clarity? I think it generally makes sense and is plausible you're town just getting paranoid here.

I was only going to respond to questions/requests directed at me/everyone, but I really don't like this post. It very much feels like a setup for the "I forgive you for scumreading me, I know you have to (because you're scum and I'm now scumreading you)".

Hm

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@Numbers: not what I expected you to say, but yes, that sounds like a decent idea. It's normal to have more scumreads than there are scum in a game, so some would necessarily be wrong, just by...

the numbers

[insert that ancient meme here]

I do agree with Bella that townhunting can be as important as scumhunting, though I'm a lot more hesitant to "locktown" people because of my terrible paranoia.

@Goldfish: Arrrrrrrr you sure about that?

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VOTE: catboi

This is a serious vote.

VOTE: goldfish

A better vote.

I just want to repeat this early: a newbie game day one shouldn't last much more than ten pages :)

Would scum both have a 'serious vote' based of very little this early in the game and right next to each other? im still probably gonna vote bella, no one seema paired at all with gm

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I knew that would happen if I waited and I didn't know if i should. I won't be active for about 10 hrs and wont be active for a long period of time for 18 hrs, I don't want to be too close to the deadline

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I will check this again before I go to sleep tho

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Damn, you had me fooled, although a lot of my read on your slot was from Goldfish leaving the game which I didn't think she would do as scum. Didn't mention that though because that is a horrible reason and I think you aren't supposed to use that as a reason anyway. In prior days I also thought you were very much town in your own right. I don't think you would've been able to eliminate syugar though. Look at the bright side, maybe you just saved yourself some suffering?

You also probably could've won with a Me, Lukewarm, Bella elo but that would need syugar/catboi eliminated today

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Cats are great, if some lesser animals perish, then we must accept that's just the way it is.