Newbie 2098 | Manila Sound | Day 4

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I'm not saying it trumps their partners but I am saying there would have been a better choice that wasn't detrimental to one of them surely?

I'd still assume me or froggodoggo get Night 1'd.

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Because Take had Alex as a low-key scum read almost all game and he is taking away a potential mislim for himself by killing him.

Why would he do that?

Sara Wizard and Rat exist.
Hammer 1, leave the other 2 for Day 3.

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Truth be told I don't think it makes sense for Night 1 to NOT be myself, froggodoggo, or BlueBloodedToffee, as the main 'town reads', for a lack of a more accurate description.

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I'm inclined to agree with BBT here but that also just makes me think BBT is scum. Which makes sense as to why they would think I'm scum. So uhh... I dunno. I really want to just flip wizard. They are outed mafia now.

Just wait for Sara to claim, to also tell us where they visited if they did visit anyone.

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And you realising I am making a lot of sense but still trying to scumread me for (reasons?) is funny.

Honesty is the best policy! Especially as town <3

Don't say claims like that people are suspicious of me when I do it.

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And you realising I am making a lot of sense but still trying to scumread me for (reasons?) is funny.

Honesty is the best policy! Especially as town <3

Don't say claims like that people are suspicious of me when I do it.

Wdym?

I just didn't get positive reception to things like More Info = Town, think back to the nonsense weird thing Rat did after Prismo replaced in and announced a secret instead of saying the secret.

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Ah.

I don't see the issue with rigid views to do with town actions vs scum actions, Alexcellent didn't seem to approve of it.

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will no roleblocker at least

This though.
Plus the also voted RR despite the claim/

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I want Sara to claim and I want RR to answer my question.

So do I.

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Scizard and scake, sitting in a tree. K I L L I N G!

Let's not get overzealous, let's just wait for a Sara claim.

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Not yet.

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Still got one or two wrinkles to iron out then I'll join the hammer.

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Neato. Now can we lim wizard?

How would wizard know for certain that Sara visited somebody?
As Roleblocker / Goon they have absolutely no way of knowing that Sara was a PR nevermind that they voted somebody.
So how can Scum know who a PR is, and that they voted somebody, in Cop/Doctor vs Roleblocker/Goon?
I'm just confused by this.

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I'll be entirely honest, I would not be surprised if we were in C1. With a wizardastronaut/Sara team.

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I'm pretty sure wizard got hammered a while ago actually

I have counted a couple of times to make sure, he got to E-1, I unvoted taking him to E-2, then froggodoggo voted for him twice.

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I am 100% willing to hammer wizardastronaut but I need to know why it can't be Sara/Wizardastronaut before I make us waste many real life days worth of finding the partner.

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Who wizard accused was irrelevant. He got lucky and hit the Doc, but by making an impossible claim he was hoping someone else would claim to disprove him. It never had to be Sara.

The other 6 of us would mass claim VT in that situation, I don't think he just balls to the wall'd it.

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Who wizard accused was irrelevant. He got lucky and hit the Doc, but by making an impossible claim he was hoping someone else would claim to disprove him. It never had to be Sara.

The other 6 of us would mass claim VT in that situation, I don't think he just balls to the wall'd it.

Not mass claim, but insta claim.

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- Even then, you just claim you didn't as town. Always. You don't say you did visit or who you visited, if you're Doctor you just fake claim VT, heal Cop a bunch and voila.

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Well, Radical Rat, I would advise you to hide somewhere so that you don't get roleblocked, and/or Night Killed.

VOTE: wizardastronaut
(Pretty sure this is

E-1

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Good luck y'all! (Not you Rat.

The saltiest ocean is the Atlantic but apparently there's a saltier one in outer space.

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^ that post carries no ill intent.

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At least he went out the way he likes to play, confusing mechanics.

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While we are waiting for the mod, what is everyone's favorite pokemon? Mine is currently oshawott

But. Your Profile.

- was brought up on Digimon.
Yes Digimon > Pokemon.

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Just to get it out of the way.
- Claiming Vanilla Townie.

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While we are waiting for the mod, what is everyone's favorite pokemon? Mine is currently oshawott

Alakazam

Zam is pretty cool. very fun to use in gen 3 since all the elemental punch moves are special attacks. I think it gets them all

Is stoutland the dog? The one with the extremely majestic pokemon facial hair?

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^ I also will be doing the same, as mechanically it could be any of us.

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Wizardastronaut's votes.

Post 7: froggodoggo
Post 51: Alexcellent
Post 116: Sara
Post 357: Radical Rat
Post 950: froggodoggo
Post 1034: Radical Rat

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From a quick skim of VC history, Frog is scum.

More to come later, that took a long time.

Can you tell us what you think the VC means about Sara?

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I'll be honest, my current pool is looking like a Takemikazuchi02/Zara/froggodoggo hammer. As to why I'm not including BlueBloodedToffee, is he's dying N3. Assuming Sara is indeed town, scum roleblock Sara and kill BlueBloodedToffee, they kill BlueBloodedToffee because they'd then get the 'easiest' 1 vs 1 Day 4. It's just a shame the win will likely be decided by a lurker.

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I'll be honest, my current pool is looking like a Takemikazuchi02/Zara/froggodoggo hammer. As to why I'm not including BlueBloodedToffee, is he's dying N3. Assuming Sara is indeed town, scum roleblock Sara and kill BlueBloodedToffee, they kill BlueBloodedToffee because they'd then get the 'easiest' 1 vs 1 Day 4. It's just a shame the win will likely be decided by a lurker.

Given this, my gut says the best mechanical decision is hammering Sara Day 3, so we can get as much discourse as possible Day 4.

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VOTE: Sara

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You’re right but also Sara is town so just vote out Take

You yourself said you have no way of proving this isn't a set up in the C column. Why are you claiming for certain Sara is town?

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Nobody here can say for certain that anybody else here is town. It'd be in your best interest to not do so. Confirmation Bias is deadly late in the game.

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You’re right but also Sara is town

Sara is town, she is either a Doctor is a lying VT if she is town. VT has absolutely no reason to fake claim Doctor, they can claim VT and just naturally get rid of wizardastronaut.

Thus Sara is the Doctor if she is town. So froggodoggo. Why did she not vote wizardastronaut, yet vote (I know it was retracted) Radical Rat?

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Pretty sure it was an honest mistake. Sara does not strike me as the type to fakeclaim Doctor here. Also, I believe it was RR who said that wizard’s tracker claim was an attempt to get a PR to out, and we know that PR could only be Doctor. Why make the play if there is no second PR to be outed?

I guess the answer is to setup Sara to look town. But then why would Sara vote with wizard after that? It doesn’t align with a coordinated play from scumchat and so I think it was just an honest mistake from town Sara.

Being told by Sara that there's no roleblockers, voting for a cop but not an outed scum, claiming Doctor instead of fake claiming VT. A player does not get town cred under the grounds of a mistake.

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Also do you really think their VC history is townie?

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Foyt you cant convince me to vote outside Take.

Why are you being so stubborn? Doing so is anti-town, regardless of your alignment.

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Not to mention if you had grounds to actually town read Sara and shared them with me, you'd be able to increase how scummy Takemikazuchi02 does by process of elimination, yet you don't seem to want to do that. Are you pocketing Sara?

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Not to mention if you had grounds to actually town read Sara and shared them with me, you'd be able to increase how scummy Takemikazuchi02 does by process of elimination, yet you don't seem to want to do that. Are you pocketing Sara?

I'm giving you a full stage to make your cases on Sara and Takemikazuchi02.

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We have only one miselim left and I’m really confident that Take is the mafia here.

Explain where you got one from.

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You’re not under the same pressure because I don’t think anyone intends to vote you.

Is it not the case that town would be okay being hammered if it lead to a win?

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VOTE: Sara

This is in the wrong place.
UNVOTE: Sara
VOTE: froggodoggo

E-1

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Cant lie that’s a weird jump. What changed?

You acted anti-town.

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What do YOU think about Sara's voting history?

Wizard's weird hovering around it I dislike. I don't think any of the votes are authentic either, many of them feel like a name chosen out of a hat. I do not see town voting the way Sara did.

Having said that, that also applies for Takemikazuchi02 regarding Sara and un-E-1ing, and froggodoggo un-E-1ing Prismo. I don't see town doing either.

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I also realize that BBT living N1 could be due to thinking Take is town. I had you two paired for a reason.

Come again? I don't get this.

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BBT ended D1 thinking Take was town. It’s incentive for scum Take to not kill BBT because BBT is a vocal player who I could argue has been leading this game. Having BBT on your side is a good thing and having BBT be right is scary.

Then why kill Alex?

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From my perspective, you were the main person trying to push solving from the N1 kill as soon as it was done. Which, in its own way is kind of scummy. Assuming scum has an agenda for a night kill, being to push player X, naturally, the first thing they'd do is push player X. You were the main one pushing for a solve from Night 1.

I'm strangely confident in you not being town the more I think about it.

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Don’t know if you ever addressed this Foyt but why do you think you lived N1?

I don't know.
I've said this before but I thought one of us would be dying N1.

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BTW, don't end this day until Sara gives concrete thoughts on every player here.

Sara pls come back to us

Just if prodding was closer to 24 hours instead of 36.

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Explain the difference between a Cop hiding and a Tracker hiding in this setup and why one is throwing and the other isn't.

doggofroggo would you, as Cop, prefer to out 1 Mafia, or wait a Night phase and potential reveal 2 Mafia, or at least go into the Next Day phase with 2 Conf Town 1 Mafia? That was why Radical Rat didn't instantly reveal and he did tell us that. I don't like it either but it is what it is.

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Froggo I think his reaction when I voted him look townie

You mean the vote from around 10 days ago? Why only bring this up now?

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We should have just policy hammered Sara Day 1.

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UNVOTE: froggodoggo
VOTE: Sara

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We should have just policy hammered Sara Day 1.

I agree with the sentiment but do you have more conrete reasons to for voting her out?

Being told by Sara that there's no roleblockers, voting for a cop but not an outed scum, claiming Doctor instead of fake claiming VT. A player does not get town cred under the grounds of a mistake.

This.

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I also quickly ran through her ISO, what is this?

hammer wiz
Alex is hot unFoy

hammer wiz

Yet she stays on no vote instead of voting for anybody, including the person she says to hammer?

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Further inspection into Sara's ISO...

If she's actually a Doctor why did she ask if Masons were in the game?

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sorry thought I died
doctor
Night 1 target unFoy
Night 2 target Radical Rat

I also don't buy the "sorry I thought I died".

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Sara is either Scum who misplayed by claiming Doctor, or is a town sabotaging town purposefully.

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Also for what it's worth, the game is down to basically 4 VT vs 1 Goon. If Sara actually is a Doctor, the last Mafia member is a roleblocker who will always roleblock Sara. If Sara isn't a Doctor then we have 4 VT vs 1 Mafia. This means from this point on Lurking is exceptionally more anti-town than any other phase, as the only way to increase our chances of winning 4 VT vs 1 Goon is with input from

everyone

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However, I really struggle to believe Wiz decided to bus his partner so heavily straight away in the early game. Imagine the wagon had gone through (Sara was at E-1 twice I believe and Wiz was aware of this); scum would have just killed any chance they had of winning the game. Wiz would not have been able to ride that cred out the entire game - it was only D1.

Nobody responded to this.

I understand the want to elim Sara as an ELo with her alive sounds horrific if she is town, but I would really like to win this game while I am alive (selfish, I know) and I still don't see how she makes sense as scum with Wiz.

I don't think anyone was ever actually going to hammer Sara Day 1. The first time it got close was 'just' an early E-1, the next times there was any pressure heading that way, it was always overshadowed.

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I'll be honest, this will likely end up a Takemikazuchi vs froggodoggo Day 4.

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He was saying if frog is scum, frog vs take day 4 is unlikely.

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BBT please don’t kill Sara. This is such an obvious newb town claiming Doctor. Sure their lack of gameplay sucks but that doesn’t make them mafia. Lurkers are lurkers regardless of alignment.

Why would Doctor ask if masons were in the game?

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BBT please don’t kill Sara. This is such an obvious newb town claiming Doctor. Sure their lack of gameplay sucks but that doesn’t make them mafia. Lurkers are lurkers regardless of alignment.

Why would Doctor claim that there are no roleblockers when there clearly is one if there is also a Doctor?

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BBT please don’t kill Sara. This is such an obvious newb town claiming Doctor. Sure their lack of gameplay sucks but that doesn’t make them mafia. Lurkers are lurkers regardless of alignment.

Why would town not hammer an outed scum? Sara said "hammer wiz", while they weren't voting for them themselves. They weren't voting anybody.

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Pedit: look at Sara’s all site ISO. they asked the same question in both games they were in at the exact same time. no clue why but it’s only coincidence that this could be 2 goons.

You'd make more of a case if you said Sara has an S therefore they can't be Scum because S is round, like town. That argument has more substance than a meta argument.

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The last scum is froggodoggo / Sara.

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NO THEY ARENT

Stop flailing. You can't answer why Sara is town without insulting them by repetitively calling them newbie. Being new does not mean they are town.
They did inherently anti-town and scummy things.

If they are Doctor, they have no need to ask about Masons as they know there aren't any.
If they are Doctor, they can work out there has to be a roleblocker very easily, they wouldn't then say there is none.
If they are Doctor, they can work out very easily wizardastronaut is scum, they did so, they told us to hammer wiz, and kept there vote off of everybody. Any town would hammer themselves.
Not to mention coincidentally, in 1240 BBT gets a town pass for being aggressive? by posting a big VC list, yet weirdly myself who's playing more aggressive by pushing Sara gets a scum arrow placed on my head by her?

We are ignoring your cases because they have absolutely nothign on how scummy Sara looks.
I'm not going to insult them by giving them town cred under the pretense of being new.

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Not to mention, the only reason Sara townreads you froggodoggo is for a reaction from a vote 700 posts ago.

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I didnt say you are scum unFoy

Sara, can you give some thoughts on the players in the game?

Who do you think is scum and why?

unFoy
Froggo I think his reaction when I voted him look townie
BBT maybe town because aggressive play
Take look like defending wiz (is this Alignment Indicative?)

You did.
They can't even remember their own read list because it isn't genuine.

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Genuinely thinking about voting myself out so y’all will kill Take but that won’t even convince you at this point

Stop flailing for 5 minutes, read my case on Sara, and tell me you don't see why Takemikazuchi02 moved from you to Sara. If you can see something so obviously wrong with my thought process, tell me before we hammer Sara.

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i didnt put anything

Sara, can you give some thoughts on the players in the game?

Who do you think is scum and why?

unFoy
Froggo I think his reaction when I voted him look townie
BBT maybe town because aggressive play
Take look like defending wiz (is this Alignment Indicative?)

You did.
From your own posts.
BBT = Town.
Froggodoggo = Town.
Takemikazuchi02 = Neutral.
UnFoy = scum, your message was in response to "who do you think is scum", and you answered with myself.

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Sara didn’t even say you’re scum dude. They wrote your name down. I don’t care if it looks like they might’ve been replying to your question. They just said they weren’t.

Stop pocketing/buddying.

Stop flailing. You can't answer why Sara is town without insulting them by repetitively calling them newbie. Being new does not mean they are town.
They did inherently anti-town and scummy things.

If they are Doctor, they have no need to ask about Masons as they know there aren't any.
If they are Doctor, they can work out there has to be a roleblocker very easily, they wouldn't then say there is none.
If they are Doctor, they can work out very easily wizardastronaut is scum, they did so, they told us to hammer wiz, and kept there vote off of everybody. Any town would hammer themselves.
Not to mention coincidentally, in 1240 BBT gets a town pass for being aggressive? by posting a big VC list, yet weirdly myself who's playing more aggressive by pushing Sara gets a scum arrow placed on my head by her?

There's my case on Sara, if you have issues with it, bring it up. What you're doing right now isn't accomplishing anything.

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HOW CAN YOU ASK ME TO PROVE TO YOU THAT SARA IS TOWN AND THEN CALL ME POCKETING???
IMPLYING THAT YOU THINK IM SCUM WHICH STILL MEANS ITS NOT SARA

It's one of the 2 of you, I don't mind who goes first but we can all agree it's more likely to be Sara. Once again. I have presented why I think Sara is scum. Your response is Sara is new. If you want me to consider her not as scum, you need to tell me what is wrong with my case against Sara. If something is so obviously wrong with it, then my mind will change, because something is obviously wrong with it. However, you just saying she is new and caps locking all of your messages, is doing nothing but stalling out the game and making you look less townie.

If my cases are wrong, tell me. This is a team game, and if we're actually on the same team, you have to work with me so I can work with you, yet you're showing no interest in doing so.

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Hmm, hold on.

Sara called UnFoy scum and then UnFoy wanted to elim Sara?

Is that what happened?

The end of page 50 was my progression from froggo to Sara.

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I'm telling you you're wrong. You ignore it again and again. You act like I haven't been telling people Sara is town this entire day. You don't agree with my arguments so you tell me that I'm not working with you. I don't care if I look less townie, this is mindbogglingly frustrating and the fact that you're telling me that myself and another person who I practically know is town are one of the mafia is frustrating.

If you don't mind who goes first then vote me out.

I'm giving you, a very easy way to convince the majority of us Sara is town. Take it. I think my justification for scum Sara is strong, clearly so does Takemikazuchi02. BlueBloodedToffee doesn't disagree with it either. So just tell me what is wrong with my case, and all 3 of us will likely move off of scum Sara, because my case would happen to be wrong.
It also doesn't matter how long you've been saying Sara is town. Not a single person here can be 100% certain of a person's role outside of the scum team. You have made no actual case for town Sara other than Sara being new.
BlueBloodedToffee has made more of a town Sara case than you have, and he has declared intent to hammer.

If my justification for Sara is wrong, tell me why it's wrong, and you'll stop a Sara hammer today, because I won't end up hammering Sara, nor will you, nor will Sara. You can work with me here, its in your interest if you truly think Sara is town.

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I'm telling you you're wrong. You ignore it again and again. You act like I haven't been telling people Sara is town this entire day. You don't agree with my arguments so you tell me that I'm not working with you. I don't care if I look less townie, this is mindbogglingly frustrating and the fact that you're telling me that myself and another person who I practically know is town are one of the mafia is frustrating.

If you don't mind who goes first then vote me out.

I'm giving you, a very easy way to convince the majority of us Sara is town. Take it. I think my justification for scum Sara is strong, clearly so does Takemikazuchi02. BlueBloodedToffee doesn't disagree with it either. So just tell me what is wrong with my case, and all 3 of us will likely move off of scum Sara, because my case would happen to be wrong.
It also doesn't matter how long you've been saying Sara is town. Not a single person here can be 100% certain of a person's role outside of the scum team. You have made no actual case for town Sara other than Sara being new.
BlueBloodedToffee has made more of a town Sara case than you have, and he has declared intent to hammer.

If my justification for Sara is wrong, tell me why it's wrong, and you'll stop a Sara hammer today, because I won't end up hammering Sara, nor will you, nor will Sara. You can work with me here, its in your interest if you truly think Sara is town.

If you and Sara are both actually town, you're making it so town will lose. You're guaranteeing a Sara hammer Day 3 and a froggodoggo hammer Day 4. If you actually think Sara is town I'm giving you the option to stop that way of losing.

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Sara is our only hope

In what world? We have no confirmation at all she is a Doctor. If Sara is a Doctor, she gets roleblocked Night 3. Sara should not be treated as more than a VT. The majority of players are suspicious of Sara, you can change that. So why aren't you?

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Sara is our only hope

In what world? We have no confirmation at all she is a Doctor. If Sara is a Doctor, she gets roleblocked Night 3. Sara should not be treated as more than a VT. The majority of players are suspicious of Sara, you can change that. So why aren't you?

What the hell even is this argument? Free thought isn't allowed? I can't have my own opinion?

Stop flailing, you're making it painful to read.
You made a statement, I showed the obvious flaw in it. Your response has absolutely nothing to do with the original statement, or the flaw pointed out.

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I don't care if froggodoggo is town, he's sabotaging on purpose if he is. I'm not budging off of Sara and I'm hammering him Day 4 if Sara is town.

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I say there is no roleblocker
I am not beliving BOTH RR and wiz

But RR has been confirmed

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but you keep saying I say
there is no roleblocker

will no roleblocker at least
VOTE: RR

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Take. The answer to this will determine if I think you're Scum or not.

Who would scum Take kill AND why? (Most important)
Who do you think me and BBT would kill and why?

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BBT, who do you think scum me, and scum you, respectively, would have night killed and why?

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NK analysis is WIFOMy though so I'd rather take a good look through the thread and the things I noted before making a final decision.

I'd agree most of the time but if you assume each of us as scum, none of us kill froggodoggo. Takemikazuchi02 would kill you N2, and I'd probably end up tunneling froggodoggo to a mislim.

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Why does Take kill me N2?

To get an easy froggodoggo hammer considering we both were suspicious of him at the end of Day 3.

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UnFoy, you're assuming Take is confident that he can win vs Froggo.

Not the case, rather I would have tunnelled froggodoggo if he were alive Day 4.

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UnFoy, why aren't you trying to solve?

You think because I'm being quieter in a hammer or lose situation, that that equals not trying to solve?

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I think your posts in ELo show no indication of trying to solve, yes.

Apart from a basic NKA question, how are you trying to solve?

There are 1400 posts I have to filter through. Do you not think I'd be reading them?

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I'd think if you were you would be providing some thoughts in thread?

It was a while ago, but what do you think of the wizardastronaut / Sara day 1 shenanigans?

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Also I won't be taking wizard's votes into account because I don't think they help.
There are some potential 'slips(?)' made by wizard elsewhere that I need to rationalise in my head, because the logic doesn't quite add up.
Sara's weird wagon Day 1 gives us the most info about the both of you to work with, it's just a shame it was 2 and a half weeks ago, and I know whichever of you is town is not necessarily likely to remember all of your reasonings regarding that wagon.

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One question for Take, if you don't mind rereading over some of wizardastronaut's day 1 posts, especially towards the end of day 1, do you think he is hinting at suspicions of anybody in particular? As in do you think his plays and reasonings hint a fake read or anything like that?

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There are some potential 'slips(?)' made by wizard elsewhere that I need to rationalise in my head, because the logic doesn't quite add up.

This points to a BBT partner, but I want to hear both of your answers first, to make sure my logic for thinking it's a slip adds up, if it doesn't, I'll tell you what my logic was regardless, but naturally I'd prefer for it to be correct.

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If you're reading the game I would assume you will come to the conclusion that I simply don't make sense as partner with Wiz.

That should be obvious.

Not particularly.

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For example, it could easily be interpreted from your entry and the proceeding posts, that you were trying to question wizardastronaut into a logical scapegoat off of the Sara wagon (onto myself for clarity). That's just one thing I've considered which is pretty useless sharing, as I have no reason why it can't be the other way just yet.

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Wait, what?

Why is that scummy?

It's scummy due to hindsight really. The first main thing, in my opinion, you did upon entry was try to move wizardastronaut from Sara to myself, but not really trying to debunk the Sara wagon so much.

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I'm actually going to have to town case myself aren't I?

This is hilarious

You're in a Newbie, as an SE, in a hammer or lose, with a new player and a semi-new player. Drop the arrogance we aren't perfect.

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Sorry I was busy these last few days so I couldn't focus on the game.
I have given up on trying to make sense of the night kill, its complete wifom so let's talk about other stuff.

The only conclusion I can come to, is that whoever scum is, made a suboptimal night kill, no matter what me or BBT should have died Night 3, but, we move on.

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UnFoy, talk to me about your unvote on Prismo early game (he was at E-1, you wanted to avoid 'hammer nonsense') and then your subsequent scum read on Take for being overly cautious on an E-1 vote.

You mean post 43 where I took Prismo off of an RVS E-1 because I thought froggodoggo was scummy?

[UnFoytunate]

504

UnFoy, talk about this vote on Furtive please? I can't see any progression for this vote at all? Almost comes out of the blue?

503 and 506.

[UnFoytunate]

I'm sorry?

506 is retrospective and in no way can act as reasoning for your 504 vote given it happens afterwards.

Why does RR doing something that is not 'pro-town' force you to vote for Furtive?

If someone does something scummier than another person what do you do? I feel like you're really grasping at straws here. If you've actually read through it all, you'd have your answers already because they've already been answered. Not to mention, are you trying to claim you've never done a vote and justified it 3 votes afterwards?

[UnFoytunate]

EBWOP, 3 posts afterwards.

[UnFoytunate]

UnFoy, who do you think is scum and why?

Is this a gun to the head question? I don't have the confidence to vote for the person yet.

[UnFoytunate]

I wanted to see if Takemikazuchi02 also noticed something, hence why I asked him this:

One question for Take, if you don't mind rereading over some of wizardastronaut's day 1 posts, especially towards the end of day 1, do you think he is hinting at suspicions of anybody in particular? As in do you think his plays and reasonings hint a fake read or anything like that?

Give me 2 minutes to fetch the 2 posts that have made me suspicious.

[UnFoytunate]

EBWOP it's more than 2, I'm just gonna lump it all together.

[UnFoytunate]

There's 7 or so wizardastronaut quotes here:

Spoiler:

Hmmm...I'm thinking this as my current ranking. But also I think there's too much recency bias / OMGUS in this because I'm annoyed at UnFoytunate, BlueBloodedToffee, Alexcellent for trying to weaken my train. I'll have to re-evaluate later.

Sara
UnFoytunate
BlueBloodedToffee

Alexcellent
wizardastronaut
Takemikazuchi02
Radical Rat

froggodoggo

Unranked:

Prismo

Prismo / Takemika, let's redirect our train to join the frogster in voting Rat. See 316 for their reasoning. On reflection, I think "Here's our D1 elim" is too obviously aggressive from Alex, so it makes more sense to focus on RR and BBT.

RR - Quickly jumped on the wagon, which I reed as scum trying to make it seem like everyone is on board with it so that others will join.
BBT - Third in the wagon. Somewhere in the wiki I read that scum like to be third. And they were suspiciously eager to push us off the Sara wagon. They never explained why. (They explained why I should back off, but not why you should.) So I don't understand where they were coming from.

Ultimately, I pick Rat because I want to vote with people who are town and I think frog is town.

UNVOTE: Sara
VOTE: Radical Rat

furtive/BBT/froggo: It seems to me that this is the perfect opportunity for us to all work together on the Radical Rat. If we get them out you'll know I'm not RR's partner.

froggodoggo, you gave a scum read of them back in 316.
furtive, you said yourself that your scum read on Rat was stronger than your read on me. Why not work against your strongest read?
BBT, I don't really know what you are thinking. But clearly you have some sus on Rat, I guess based on furtives arguments. And this'll help rule out the "wizard fake partner on furtive" world.

Time to come up with a new suspicion list (previously one from much earlier in the game in post 294):

Radical Rat
UnFoytunate

froggodoggo
BlueBloodedToffee
Takemikazuchi02
wizardastronaut

furtive

Unranked, not enough to go on recently (I 100% have recency bias):

Sara
Alexcellent
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Last time frogster was my most town because of their tiff with UnFoy, but now I realize I cannot base much on that because I think everyone sounds town to me when arguing with UnFoy. Froggo suspicious goes way up if Rat ever flips scum and down if Rat ever flips town.

An honest eval of how y'all seem to read me would place myself higher. But I just can't help but feel that so much of it is completely misinterprets/misunderstands me, so I refuse to incorporate it into my own self ranking. If furtive ever flips red, my suspicious does go up. (But with the asterisk that wizard so strongly and blatantly defending their partner requires then to be somewhat crazy.)

Also, I know I just put myself in my ranking after having been called out for it last time. But it's how I like to think and I have the receipts verifying that so I'm not going to stop. old ranking 1, old ranking 2, old ranking 3

Huh. Here I was expecting to come back and start discussion conspiracy theories of scum!BBT or scum!Take ending the day before everyone gave their two cents on the Alex train because Alex was their scum partner.

Rat voting me so quickly...I think is more town behavior than scum behavior?

Froggo I'm kind of surprised voted for BBT so quickly. Impressive to coalesce that theory so quickly.

Here I was expecting to come back and start discussion conspiracy theories of scum!BBT or scum!Take

Where did this thought process come from? The flip? I don't think you've mentions scum bluebloodedtoffee before.

This is a new theory I was pondering during the night. I was surprised the day ended before I (or several others) had the opportunity to react to the wagon forming on Alex. So was thinking there might be something nefarious in that.

I know this isn't an ideal situation to be in, or to come to a conclusion like this, but the vibes I've gotten over rereading BBT wizard interactions is along the lines of: wizardastronaut for some reason felt immune and calm when pressured by BBT but not from anyone else, his reads on BBT also seem made up and very forced. Then if we combine it with the weird BBT trying to get wizardastronaut off of Sara when wizardastronaut got scum vibes from somebody else, but complaining when I did so in RVS. Also I feel like BBT would opt for the BBT vs UnFoytunate Day 4, whereas Takemikazuchi02 would opt for the froggodoggo vs Takemikazuchi02 Day 4. Admittedly none of this is concrete nor particularly viable but I don't think much else stands out from either of you.
It's useless to say this but for some reason I can't particularly explain well, I feel like a BBT scum is more likely than a Takemikazuchi02 scum.
However this isn't Day 1, I can't go balls to the wall with weak reasonings because if I'm wrong scum wins.
I'm fully prepared for the 'OMG I can't believe I'm going to have to town case myself again this is absurd what is going on?', that will arrive.

[UnFoytunate]

I don't have an answer to that question unfoy. I've read his iso and I couldn't find any veiled suspicions. Why would wiz even do that?

The fact wizard proposed a solve of Alex/BBT after town leaning them at the end of Day 1, after scum reading them for nothing I find weird.

[UnFoytunate]

Why is Wiz scum reading me at start of D2 weird? He showed signs of it on D1 too?

This,

Huh. Here I was expecting to come back and start discussion conspiracy theories of scum!BBT or scum!Take ending the day before everyone gave their two cents on the Alex train because Alex was their scum partner.

and this.

Here I was expecting to come back and start discussion conspiracy theories of scum!BBT or scum!Take

Where did this thought process come from? The flip? I don't think you've mentions scum bluebloodedtoffee before.

This is a new theory I was pondering during the night. I was surprised the day ended before I (or several others) had the opportunity to react to the wagon forming on Alex. So was thinking there might be something nefarious in that.

[UnFoytunate]

Why in the flying fuck would I kill Frog? Like, Jesus. I just kill you and leave Take and Frog to fight it out. It's not rocket science.

As a group of 3, we've at least said that:
Takemikazuchi02 would have night killed me or you.
I would have night killed you.
You would have night killed me.

None of those happened, I'm simply going to interpret this as an insult to me and Takemikazuchi02. In the sense of this is basically saying you'd respond "Why in the flying fuck would you kill Frog? Like, Jesus. You just kill and leave ______ to fight it out. It's not rocket science."

You aren't above a less-optimal play because you're more experienced.

[UnFoytunate]

we've at least said that:

Phrased this way because 1 of us has made a play the other 2 think is sub-optimal.

[UnFoytunate]

Why is me trying to get someone off someone I'm town reading scummy? Why wouldn't I tell Wiz in the scum PT if I wanted him to move?

I'll start with the second question. Do you think a player would be under more suspicion if they randomly dropped a wagon, or if they were publically convinced to? It's rhetorical, it's the latter.

As to the first question, Sara was at E-1, the only person you tried to

convince

to unvote is wizardastronaut, yet don't make much of an effort with others apart from hinting at them not to do so. Then when Alex basically says he's staying on the Sara wagon it doesn't feel like you made any effort to actually move him you just asked for his reads. This all transpired around pages 9, 10, and 11.

[UnFoytunate]

I also read over the end of the BBT end of Day 1 ISO. Is it not kind of weird how your pool you state is RR/Wizardastronaut, then between you expressing hammer intent for furtive you don't actually say where it changed. Your justification is... "fuck it". You were definitely right that nobody would move a read when we had if I recall correctly 48-72 hours left of Day 1.

Not townie.

[UnFoytunate]

382 - Wiz actively tries to discredit town reads on me.

I'm assuming you're buying the scum read from wizardastronaut because you were third on the wagon then?

[UnFoytunate]

389 I call Wiz out on his scumslip - Scum!BBT just ignores it and hopes no-one else notices. And if they do, join them! Why do I actively point this out on my partner?

I don't see how it was a scumslip and not wizard just being weird. It's a scumslip for someone to class a town read as a mislim? Sure in hindsight we can say its weird because he flipped red, but under the situation he could be town (as in Day 1) it's not a slip.

[UnFoytunate]

558 Wiz actively appeals for me to help him. He did this with a fair few people, though I don't think he did it with UnFoy? Repeats in 611 It's highly unusual, though not impossible I guess, for scum to actively call out for help from their buddy.

Are you town casing yourself here?

[UnFoytunate]

As well as this, go back and check who was the main pusher of the Wiz wagon when it was the counter to the Furtive wagon. 545 onwards, please tell me how this makes sense from a scum!BBT perspective.

I need clarity on this, are you trying to imply you were the main pusher of a Wiz wagon from

545

onwards?

[UnFoytunate]

What does town casing mean?

Someone is town because X Y Z.

[UnFoytunate]

This post very clearly shows that I am the main driver of the Wiz wagon as a counter to Furtive.

What?
545 onwards you claim to be the main Wiz pusher.

First of all, it should be 547, that's when you actually voted for Wiz. However that vote was some awkward not sure about Rat moving to Wiz vote, not much oomph behind that on it's own.

548 says you don't mind a Rat/Wiz hammer.

The next post of yours, 597, is giving a potential town scenario for Wiz, really hammering the scum Wiz push there.

621 is your next mention of Wiz, and you push Scum Wiz

very

hard.

Hmm, Wiz looks like he is trying to solve the game. If I squint really hard past his posting style I can see him actively trying to sort and read players.

608 is a decent post as well and I was thinking along those same lines myself and wondering whether I just excused it because of an early town read and I generally like aggression.

The next mention of Wiz in any regards, was 669 where you scum case Wiz even harder:

Wiz's posting has hugely improved over the last 3 or 4 pages. Can both Furtive and Wiz be town? That makes my head hurt.

Alex and Frog, talk to me about UnFoy and RR?

The next mention of Wiz is 709.
"I don't like you putting your elim before Wiz."
Okay, so maybe that's a slight Wiz push, but only 5 real life minutes later:

VOTE: RR

No other mention of Wiz occured before the end of Day 1.

Active pushing? Active? Pushing?

I feel like you're really over-valuing how much impact your push had.
In 1445 you say you are not a scum pair because you voted him first?? When you had some awkward vote with RR immediately before it, end up with a pool of 4 people to hammer, and proceed to make no effort to push him?

PS- Please use quotes more I found it very hard at times to know what you were or weren't responding to in posts.

[UnFoytunate]

Just to point this out as well, the reason I was not on furtive at the end of Day 1 was because I wanted input from Sara, you don't like that I did that, yet:

I also want to wait for Sara to give some thoughts on some things. If you could really town it up while we wait for Sara then that would be fantastic.

[UnFoytunate]

As of this post we have 2 days and 10 hours left with some number of minutes. Odds are I'm voting at the end of this real life day GMT.

[UnFoytunate]

Zuchi02, if you were to vote right now, who would it be?

[UnFoytunate]

Given almost all of his questions/accusations have been directed towards me, you know full well the answer to this question.

You didn't, and consistently haven't, responded to my posts to you either.

Thank you for the response Takemikazuchi02.

[UnFoytunate]

Given almost all of his questions/accusations have been directed towards me, you know full well the answer to this question.

You didn't, and consistently haven't, responded to my posts to you either.

The random 1425 post of his was not directed against you, it was his most recent push, the other recent post was asking you to explain something. If he thought you were scum he would have been putting effort into showing it, he did none with either of us. You need to work on your ego.
VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

[UnFoytunate]

To whomever wins now GG.

[UnFoytunate]

Takemikazuchi02 conf town.
So I know I'm right, awesome. I can respond to stuff more aggressively now.

[UnFoytunate]

UnFoy just admitted to tonally changing his play in ELo by the way.

Ask yourself why he would do that.

You need to work on your ego, stop belitting us because we have less experience, it says in the post why I did it.

[UnFoytunate]

Wiz scum reading me D2 despite clearly shading me through D1 as well, he ignored this.

He also ignored me asking why getting someone to unvote someone I'm townreading is scummy.

These have been answered.

[UnFoytunate]

He ignored the question to show evidence of Wiz being calm under pressure from me but flailing under other people.

Not the wording I used in the slightest so that is disingenuous but:

Hmm, nope. I still want to vote out Sara.

The post above gave me that vibe the most.

[UnFoytunate]

Now show him flailing under pressure from others?

You're somewhat afraid of using quote tags, quote it.

[UnFoytunate]

wizardastronaut for some reason felt immune and calm when pressured by BBT but not from anyone else

This equates to - Wiz was calm under pressure from BBT but showed some other response when under pressure from other people.

I'm asking you to prove it.

I gave you the post that gave me that vibe.

[UnFoytunate]

He ignored the question regarding how Wiz's reads feel forced.

His first list, the coloured one. Scum reading for trying to weaken a wagon only? Yet he uses a neutral for Prismo, yet not what should have most likely been BBT or Alex? I also find the RR/froggodoggo weird in retrospect, outside of me tunnelling both very temporarily in Day 1.

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Which only shows half of what you're saying.

You're saying he reacts differently to me than to other people.

Prove it.

This is only a minor thing in the grand scheme of all of my questions and you're really struggling.

I got a scum read, for focusing on Wiz by Wiz, you got a town read despite in your eyes "being the driving force" (paraphrase) behind the wagon. Your first push on Wiz garnered a 'no'. You didn't find that weird at the time? You certainly didn't comment on how weird it was that you pushed and only got hit with a "no".

[UnFoytunate]

Wiz scum reading me D2 despite clearly shading me through D1 as well, he ignored this.

I'm gonna have to ask for a VAR quote on the continuous scum reading of BBT by Wiz, outside of the scum!alex scum!bbt post, I can't find anything.

[UnFoytunate]

This doesn't answer what I just asked you.

Wiz was scum reading me on D1, I have shown this multiple times. So what you just said was false.

I've shown you what things gave me a certain vibe. I have answered what you asked.

[UnFoytunate]

Already did it.

You're not reading very closely for what is a crucial part of the game.

Nor are you. You seem to completely ignore the quote I've provided a few times of:

Here I was expecting to come back and start discussion conspiracy theories of scum!BBT or scum!Take

Where did this thought process come from? The flip? I don't think you've mentions scum bluebloodedtoffee before.

This is a new theory I was pondering during the night.

I was surprised the day ended before I (or several others) had the opportunity to react to the wagon forming on Alex. So was thinking there might be something nefarious in that.

I'll do us all a favour and highlight via bolding.
If he actually scum read you (obviously not very useful now because he flipped red) during Day 1, as in genuinely (this is under the Day 2 assumption when he still could have been town), it makes no sense for him to say the idea appeared over the night. Absolutely none.

[UnFoytunate]

For Wiz to be scum with me, he would have to know I am scum because we would be scum together. So for him to 'forget' he ever had a scum read on me in the first place means the read was completely fabricated.

Cool so you just did some of my job for me also.
Fabricated == Forced, so for one you just shown how his reads are fabricated overall.
Not to mention, Fabricated can also mean not genuine. If Scum gives a random scum read on another scum, that's not really a genuine scum read, the reasoning will be off, it'll be an attempt at distancing etcetera etcetera.

PS- Hide reasonings in brackets BBT can't read them.

If he actually scum read you

(obviously not very useful now because he flipped red)

during Day 1, as in genuinely

(this is under the Day 2 assumption when he still could have been town)

, it makes no sense for him to say the idea appeared over the night. Absolutely none.

So, are his reads forced as in fabricated/ungenuine or not?
Additionally, if it was a fake read (as in assigning town as scum) why would he say he forgot it? He would just say it continued from Day 1 and push the hammer, yet he didn't. It makes completely sense as scum painting scum as scum, because the read was fake in Day 1 and he didn't want to actually push it.

[UnFoytunate]

If WizardAstronaut forgot he was pushing town as scum, that makes no sense, I really need to drive home that he would just use it to push them Day 2, but he didn't. So he didn't want you to be pushed, and why would wizardastronaut not want a way to push town to hammer? The fact he 'forgot' only makes sense under a scum pair.

[UnFoytunate]

I need to shower and such so don't expect a response for a while but, BBT you've just blundered by proving his reads are fabricated/forced, and into showing you're the partner.

[UnFoytunate]

Of course his reads are fabricated, he is scum! Scum fabricate all of their reads because none of them are genuine!

If I am scum, he knows I am scum with him. He wouldn't forget I was scum and he was scum reading me, because I would be scum with him. Whereas if I am town, because his reads are fabricated and therefore not genuine, he forgets who he scum read. It shows a lack of consistency in his reads because they're completely made up.

Scum forget who they're town reading and who they're scum reading a lot because the reads are not genuine.

It shows a lack of consistency and fake read progression.

If WizardAstronaut forgot he was pushing town as scum, that makes no sense, I really need to drive home that he would just use it to push them Day 2, but he didn't. So he didn't want you to be pushed, and why would wizardastronaut not want a way to push town to hammer? The fact he 'forgot' only makes sense under a scum pair.

[UnFoytunate]

Of course his reads are fabricated, he is scum! Scum fabricate all of their reads because none of them are genuine!

If he actually scum read you

(obviously not very useful now because he flipped red)

during Day 1, as in genuinely

(this is under the Day 2 assumption when he still could have been town)

, it makes no sense for him to say the idea appeared over the night. Absolutely none.

[UnFoytunate]

You are purposely ignoring the context behind the proof that you're scum here, as I've said in a post previously you don't read bracketed parts.

[UnFoytunate]

I've simply asked you to show me instances where Wiz has reacted differently to pressure from me and pressure from somebody else.

You don't seem able to do it.

You've been proven to be scum and the only thing you're doing right now is asking me to quote what's already been quoted, its 10 to 12 I'm not wasting my time like that.

[UnFoytunate]

I've simply asked you to show me instances where Wiz has reacted differently to pressure from me and pressure from somebody else.

You don't seem able to do it.

You've been proven to be scum and the only thing you're doing right now is asking me to quote what's already been quoted, its 10 to 12 I'm not wasting my time like that.

You could try and answer all the other questions you avoided if you can't answer that one?

[UnFoytunate]

1517 using new player confusion to argue new player = scum.
1515 is blatantly false.
1516 is blatantly false, considering more than one scenario isn't scummy.

Also why would I kill Rat BBT? If you assume I'm Scum, I spent Day 3 setting up a froggodoggo Day 4 hammer, tried to convince Takemikazuchi02 that Day 4 would be a froggodoggo 1v1, set up a very easy Takemikazuchi02 vs froggodoggo scenario. It makes the least sense for me to have killed him out of everybody here.

Then we consider Day 3 and Day 4. Your read on Takemikazuchi02 completely flips, and for no reason. Paraphrasing because I'm on my mobile 'Takemikazuchi02 would never have expected me to go 180 on my read on him''. You start off Day 4 by saying its Takemikazuchi02 do to the Night Kill. Takemikazuchi02 proceeds to explain the obvious reason he didn't Night Kill froggodoggo. You respond by saying 'the NK is just one of the reason that I think it's you'. Okay so you had reasons to scum read Takemikazuchi02 during Day 3. Awesome. The very next post: 'especially as I ended D4(meant D3 here) showing suspicion of UnFoy and town reading you.' Okay cool, you had scum reasons other than the Night Kill to suspect Takemikazuchi02... yet you town read him day 3? So you've gone from town reading to scum reading him, when over a period of time he said nothing and only potentially Night Killing. Yet Night Killing wasn't the only thing making you scum read him apparently.

What does this mean?

Assuming it is true, you did not town read Takemikazuchi02 Day 3.

Why would town lie about town reading Takemikazuchi02 Day 3. They wouldn't.

You claimed to have other things that made you think Takemikazuchi02 is scum. You did not reveal them during Day 3.

Why would town do this? They wouldn't.

You proceed to say you'd explain why later, and proceed to provide arguments? that full well could have been revealed Day 3.

[UnFoytunate]

We now know Zuchi is town, as he would just hammer you after I voted for you if he were scum, so we don't need to consider analysing his Night Kill options anymore.

I feel like it's pretty simply FMPOV - I just kill you because Take vs Froggo is easy.

Same for you. You kill me to set up Take vs Froggo but you have the addition of my suspicion towards you at EoD Yesterday as extra reason to kill me.

Like, Froggo was so locked in on Take it just makes 0 sense for either of us to kill him.

NK analysis is WIFOMy though so I'd rather take a good look through the thread and the things I noted before making a final decision.

As you've stated, it makes absolutely 0 sense for me to Night Kill froggodoggo. I set up a froggodoggo Day 4 hammer, set up a 1v1 between Takemikazuchi02 and froggodoggo, yet, instead of killing BBT, I Night Kill the Day 4 hammer I spent a while producing?

At the end of Day 3 you throw very slight shade at me. As you've said giving me even more reason to Night Kill you if I were scum.

Also as you've recently quoted, I was not confident at the start of Day 2 at all, why would I then force myself into a Night Kill that forces a 1 v 1 that includes myself?

I spent Day 3 setting up an easy Day 4, and I decide to go for a 1 v 1 instead? Do you really think that makes sense BBT? Why would I as a newbie opt for a 1 vs 1 when I can just win by Night Killing you?

However, an SE who threw slight shade at me Day 3, opting for a 1 v 1 with me? That's improbable? Regardless of whether I get hammered or you get hammered you killed froggodoggo because your ego says you can win a 1v1 vs me and Takemikazuchi02.

[UnFoytunate]

By the way, isn't it weirdly convenient that when you have to fake a scum read on me, you use something you previously assigned towniness for to do so?

Although on reflection, UnFoy actually showing confusion in thread is more likely to come from town.

[UnFoytunate]

They're scum together. UnFoy knew he wouldn't die and knew he could come into D2 saying 'Well, if I'm alive it mustn' t be someone I was pushing' and that explains the heavy bussing throughout D1.

The heavy bussing? I bussed heavily?
I tunnelled froggodoggo, tunnelled wizardastronaut, tunnelled rat, tunnelled furtive. I expressed intent to hammer furtive, and was on wizard at the end of day 1 because I wanted to hear more from Sara.

If we're talking about an attempt at bussing or weird vote shenanigans, just read Day 4's comments regarding your 'push' on Wiz, which you say you were the main pusher of, simply because you were the first one named on a Vote Count. You have been shown to have made no sizeable push against Wiz, yet stayed on it for a large portion of the day. A clear, clear, attempt at distancing.

[UnFoytunate]

unfoy explain why you're town.

I have no idea how someone is meant to town case themselves.

I tried my best to keep Day 1 going as long as possible, I voted when I found things suspicious regardless of how stupid it looked, I tried very hard also to give froggodoggo chances to explain why Sara wasn't scum in Day 3.

I don't know how I'm meant to answer this question, nothing was planned I just played how I thought I should.

[UnFoytunate]

Why would you kill Rat? Because he was cop? What an outrageous question.

I feel like its really easy to piece together I accidentsally said Rat instead of froggodoggo

[UnFoytunate]

How dare I respond briefly while on the bus. Dear Lord forgive me of my abhorent sin. I shall remember next time not to respond or to send the biggest wall the forum has ever seen.

[UnFoytunate]

You had the time to trim the quote down and everything.

Android prowess. Hold down, drag, click quote, done. No more than 5 seconds.

[UnFoytunate]

Can you vote by the way? We only have 2 and a half hours left.

Takemikazuchi02 ask yourself why would town not vote for scum? He ended Day 1 early because fuck it yet won't vote who he's pretending is scum before he wins by default Night 4.

PEdit - I didn't fabricate anything, I've proven why you're scum there's nowt else for me to do. False is False, they've been explained already.
You can't tell I put rat instead of frog.
Obviously your reads change you have to fabricate new ones so people don't realise your alignment, look at the bogus votes you did Day 1, especially the hammering Day 3 which felt weird considering you did it without letting froggodoggo explain why Sara could be town (extremely scummy by the way), we all told let him but you just hammered regardless, not showing interest in stopping a potential mislim in the slightest. Also what town ends a day early because "fuck it"? None of them.

[UnFoytunate]

how much time do we have left?

Around 70 minutes from this post.

[UnFoytunate]

I am voting you by the way? I voted as soon as Take was confirmed town.

Yep that's my bad, I read quickly through your ISO and missed the revote after the unvote.

[UnFoytunate]

I'm not bothered, BBT is scum, I know I'm right so I don't really care. The dude played with an ego and looked down on us to the point I lost interest.

[UnFoytunate]

I had fun before that so, thanks for the game 8 of the 9 of you.