Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[Churros]

In hindsight to rebalance the setup I would have chosen one of the following:

3 scum lynched instead of two, masons -> neighbors.
All scum lynched.
Return nsg's role to the original state (swap any two players in games every night, compulsive (Note: this change was to swap one player with self slightly before the review process started).

I think for a first run setup with this style, the first would be my preference, just because the game was more complicated than I expected even without swapping games.

I'd also like to congratulate the scum team for making it as far as they did when they were fighting against what was a pretty stacked town player list in addition to a ridiculous amount of town power. Even coming near the finish line was impressive as hell.

3 scum lynched/no masons would be very balanced as in 50/50 I think.

Maybe slightly scum sided given that you could completely win one game but it wouldn't be a town win yet.

I think that vanilla setup + you need to lynch the whole team in one game is even better balance, maybe.

[SirCakez]

Churros your first mistake was assuming people play to their wincon

[Jingle]

Out of curiosity, what did people think about the mechanics?

Was the mutual game thread idea fun?
Was the open thread during night fun?
I see the no deadline consensus seems to be antifun.

[Jingle]

I think that vanilla setup + you need to lynch the whole team in one game is even better balance, maybe.

Mountainous larges have, in my experience, always had incredibly demoralizing endgames that no one wants to play in.

[Auro]

BB was scum!!!!!

Great reads

[Auro]

My Cakez read was beyond saving this game though, I would never have believed he was town before the flip.

When I was considering my teams, I thought he wasn't likely partnered with NM but not sure if it was enough for me to override my gut there.

I guess if it was two different games, I lose Halloween and win Xmas.

I told you, he was town

Sigh was wrong on Eve though

[gobbledygook]

Oh my god RC was a cop that’s insane

<3 for NSG with the save though. I can see why she played the way she did

[Churros]

Out of curiosity, what did people think about the mechanics?

Was the mutual game thread idea fun?
Was the open thread during night fun?
I see the no deadline consensus seems to be antifun.

no deadline wouldn't be as bad if it was cleared from the beginning there was no need to pause one game to play the other one.

I thought the entire purpose of this game was to have both games played concurrently and you wouldn't create a mechanic which would counter the very spirit of the setup. That's why I never cared about the fearmongering on mechanics, but most people did.

[Churros]

RC was really a cop. What.

[Churros]

I thought NSG had been saved, not the other way around.

weird.

[Baezu]

Wow, really solid scum team

[Auro]

Hmm
N_M is really hard for me to read. Did anything ping you there aside from predecessor?

No, I'm just PoE-ing from there.
NSG and Gobble both feel town.
Wonderwall has weak reasons to be town.
Farside has reasons to be town.
I think Mastina is still town despite what she did.
Leaves Elmo,

Molla

,

N_M

.

Well, when Nancy begins to townread you when you're scum it's pretty convenient to try and pocket her
But yaa as long as I get personal cred for having {

Sushi

, SirCakez,

LyLo Ren

, RC} PoE I'm fine with it, if the other scum is indeed in there

-StonksNet

Gobbles can I redeem my cred now

[Auro]

Out of curiosity, what did people think about the mechanics?

Really sucked hard for scum, and no satisfaction on winning this one?

I feel like mechanics have to be good enough that scum aren't in the situation where they're not even willing to try, honestly.

[Auro]

I still think Yshtola could have masterminded a win here, that would have been fun to see!

[gobbledygook]

I think scum being able to save shots to blowup one game might have been balanced. It would introduce wifom with no kills. To be honest when I saw the motion detector and the roleblocker, I thought the block in our game was a gambit and that scum had a way to stock pile nightkills and then unload them where they saw fit.

I really thought that was the way to balance the two scum dead = loss

Auro, of course you may. The scum pt I mean mason pt may be revealed on my end

[gobbledygook]

Like I think a lot of soft investigatives with masons and then a lot of potential for kill blocking with a stock pile mechanic could have worked. Maybe make one of the mafia a delayed informed of a role. Only give the entire team night chat but each individual team has day chat.

I think there’s room to work with the mechanic

[Auro]

Gobble, this is also why I was saying game could be on Auto btw. Scenarios I was thinking of was the Doctor being cross and it being in one of {Cakez, Baezu, Eve} giving us a lynch chain.
That was under the assumption that Sushi was definitely town, though, so I was wrong on both counts

I really thought Jingle would be adding false positives in same-game while having *actual* scum roles be cross-game, allowing town to muddle themselves up with mechanics - as a counter to scum's super hard wincon.

[Churros]

Pilling nightkills is completely unpredictable and not what I would consider good design

I don't see Jingle doing that

[Trojan Horses]

Titus is GOAT!

[Auro]

I apologize, Eve!

Sorry about my attitude towards you Cakez but you kept throwing like level-0 reasons to call me scum, and kept calling me scum who wanted to mislynch you when I said you were town... Perhaps realize that an agenda can be tied to *anything* and recognize actual solving effort? Idk

[gobbledygook]

Pilling nightkills is completely unpredictable and not what I would consider good design

I don't see Jingle doing that

Well, now it’s not unpredictable

You could also make a town role informed of the mechanic but make it a powerful role independent of the information like jailkeeper BUT also inform it that it’s role is known to the mafia.

Side note: play one of my games are your own risk. Balance or sanity not guaranteed

[Auro]

I personally love bastard games. Do invite me if you host one.

[Trojan Horses]

RC was really a cop. What.

His play here is pretty much similar to TM. I think I had a light tr on him but then when Eve replaced in, I thought I was mistaken.

[Trojan Horses]

If titus isnt scum i still think eve is.
Who cc'ed venca claim again?

Please never lynch this. Farside’s posting has been so townie it hurts, just like Vecna’s.

Please don't listen to this player.

She doesn't know what she is talking about. She thinks up is down and the moon is made of cheese.

Clearly not someone to be listened to on facts.

~fire

Lolwut

[Churros]

that's it here I guess...