Newbie 2053 | Primroses | Game Over

[Enchant]

Dew is also dead, because i hammered him. You probably should read game before thoughs.

[Foxxi]

UNVOTE: Enchant
VOTE: Cook

I would like a claim from you Cook.

E-1

[Cook]

VT.

[Nahdia]

Vote Count 2.04

Cook (3):

Battle Mage, endlessdark, Foxxi

endlessdark (1):

Cookie Monster

Cookie Monster (1):

Cook

Battle Mage (0):

Amélie

Enchant (0):

Cook

,

Foxxi

Not Voting (2):

Enchant,

endlessdark

, Amélie

Deadline is in

(expired on 2021-02-19 19:45:00)

, at which point we will default to no elimination.

With seven players alive, it takes

four

to reach majority.

Note:

noooooooooooothing

[endlessdark]

WhemeStar was lynched, silly.

I wasn't aware of this but I've just noted this.

Star died at night. What lynch?

Sorry, killed*

[Battle Mage]

UNVOTE:

to give me a chance to catch up

[Battle Mage]

BM, who do you think is best candidates for a town block right now, and, if so, who should you want to block on to?

the first part of that (maybe unintentionally) reads as "hey BM, who do you think is the other mason?" So, no comment.

[Battle Mage]

I would prefer to eliminate endless as I scum read them the most

Enchant, Cook, and BM are the players who have 2 or more foses on them, I suggest sticking to those players when voting.

this pinged me. 'Anyone but me' mindset from endlessdark.

On another topic -- is it normal for so many players to be replaced? It's hard to follow the game when half of the players have been replaced and you need to restart to the context in which you read them.

it's pretty unusual in a game of this pace, and yeah I agree it's not ideal.

[Battle Mage]

Good morning! This game caught my attention a couple days ago and I'm happy to get a chance to be in it. I'm not caught up but before I get into my normal post by post analysis, I would like to say that I support this Cook wagon and I believe Cook is scum. I won't vote yet for the sake of not ending the day too early but that is where my reads lie currently. I'll be back with more content heavy posts after work.

hi! sorry for mistakenly elimming you in our last game - won't happen again!

VOTE:

Cook

ie Monster

There can only be one.

...

I took a peek at the suggested game, and I can see what you are getting at BM. Are you suspecting Cook is trying to play off not caring about an elimination to buy town points then?

And Cook, what do you have to say about the argument BM is making regarding how quiet you have been in comparison to your previous game?

I don't know - it feels more like he's just given up, which doesn't really make sense from a game standpoint (scum in a good position). In my last newbie game scum did similar though and basically threw when they were the top 2 suspects, so maybe it's like Cook-Enchant or Cook-Endless? Or maybe that's what he wants us to think...

I took a peek at the suggested game, and I can see what you are getting at BM. Are you suspecting Cook is trying to play off not caring about an elimination to buy town points then?

And Cook, what do you have to say about the argument BM is making regarding how quiet you have been in comparison to your previous game?

I believe it's entirely a justified argument, however, I'd like to point out I was a Doc in that previous game, and therefore was informed slightly of the setup, had a use in actively fighting the scum team besides dayplay (which, I'd argue, is much more powerful of a motivator to play a game – having something that the other players don't), which is definitely not my strong suit, and also consequentially had a reason to play much more.

that is true.

VOTE: endlessdark
Endlessdark seem intimidating.

Out of all of the RVS posts, this one stuck out because the vote came with reasoning that just doesn't make sense to me but it could just be some joke that I didn't understand.

Anyone else on prism bandwagon?? Only need 2 more to depart!

This is quite rushed. It is page 2 and you are rushing an elimination and I find that to be a big problem.

there wasn't a legitimate alignment-indicative reason for lurking in the first place.

You should perhaps consider this option a bit more heavily.

You know exactly why I am avoiding the thread and why I take issue with it, but I cannot explain beyond what I just said via the ruleset, and you know this and are exploiting it.

I think this is probably true. What I'm not sure of yet is whether this is alignment indicative or simply highlight's overaggression in BM's playstyle.

not moving my random vote atm even though you're tempting.

I agree with BM that this is interesting though. Care to elaborate on the reluctance to move your vote Prism?

I don't like going too far into my predecessor and their posts' analysis but I think Wuwei and Battle Mage both have very townie responses to her. Battle Mage is quite confident she is scum over some fairly small reasons which I find comes from town more because scum are more likely to try to find stronger reasons. Wuwei has a very natural town thought process that flows with his thoughts.

VOTE: qspaces

i like this

I think I see a pattern in the posts that I am finding scummy. WhemeStar is catching my attention a lot.

Town: Battle Mage,
Wu Wei
Null: Qspaces
Scum: Whemestar

this is brilliant

[endlessdark]

I would prefer to eliminate endless as I scum read them the most

Enchant, Cook, and BM are the players who have 2 or more foses on them, I suggest sticking to those players when voting.

this pinged me. 'Anyone but me' mindset from endlessdark.

I'd certainly prefer not to die.

[endlessdark]

On a more serious note, do you think there's substantial suspicion of me at this point to warrant discussing my elimination? It's in the best interest of town not too diffuse attention too much, and especially now that we have 1 day left. At this point, I wouldn't say you're a candidate either, BM, and it's between Enchant and Cook.

[Battle Mage]

I took a peek at the suggested game, and I can see what you are getting at BM. Are you suspecting Cook is trying to play off not caring about an elimination to buy town points then?

And Cook, what do you have to say about the argument BM is making regarding how quiet you have been in comparison to your previous game?

I believe it's entirely a justified argument, however, I'd like to point out I was a Doc in that previous game, and therefore was informed slightly of the setup, had a use in actively fighting the scum team besides dayplay (which, I'd argue, is much more powerful of a motivator to play a game – having something that the other players don't), which is definitely not my strong suit, and also consequentially had a reason to play much more.

Not buying this. Doc might help motivate you, but the difference between the two games is too much. There was no effort this game at all from you to help town. Hell, your last vote was completely random.

eh, that's a valid argument too. Yeah I still think it's probably Cook on balance, partly because I don't want to lose to Cook-scum who didn't even try.

In other news, Amelie's analysis of endlessdark was V good and seemed to come from a town mindset.

[Battle Mage]

I would prefer to eliminate endless as I scum read them the most

Enchant, Cook, and BM are the players who have 2 or more foses on them, I suggest sticking to those players when voting.

this pinged me. 'Anyone but me' mindset from endlessdark.

I'd certainly prefer not to die.

There's a difference between normal wanting to stay alive and a mindset of not really caring who gets elimmed, as long as it isn't you. Scum are generally more survival-focussed (it's literally their wincon) than town.

[Battle Mage]

On a more serious note, do you think there's substantial suspicion of me at this point to warrant discussing my elimination? It's in the best interest of town not too diffuse attention too much, and especially now that we have 1 day left. At this point, I wouldn't say you're a candidate either, BM, and it's between Enchant and Cook.

Slow down Mr Defensive...I wasn't discussing your elimination, I was just giving my thoughts as I catch up. I said you scumpinged me once and I thought Amelie's observations on you had some merit - neither of which amounts to seriously considering you for an elim.

[Battle Mage]

Dew is also dead, because i hammered him. You probably should read game before thoughs.

lol this is town. enchant-scum is significantly more measured and cautious. And I don't think scum ever posts something as antagonistic as this when they are potentially on the chopping block.

[Battle Mage]

VT.

not much else you could claim really

ok fine I think we do Cook today, and look at likely partners tomorrow based on their approach to him (as there isn't much to go on from Cook to others).

VOTE: Cook

[Amélie]

I request that no one votes Cook until I am caught up because if the thread is locked, quoting posts is much more difficult and I have to click the pm button and copy paste it.

Enchant, that's quite rude. I am commenting as I read the thread.

[Amélie]

maybe but you'd be surprised how often stuff like that happens when copy-pasting from scum chats. I know one player who did the same mistake 3 times in 1 game as scum.

Lol, I have no experience with such situations, didn't know that was a thing. I find it weird that somebody would copy paste from another chat.

Hmm I'd have said they sounded pretty disingenuous when claiming that the vote was "just getting the ball rolling" etc.

In recognition of all of this...no unvote?

Maybe I'm naive but Dew's behavior is still to me an indicator of newbieness more than alignment, I don't think they're an optimal elimination.

Cook, I'd like to hear more from you. At this point it's antitown to be lurking as much as you are. Even if your reads are weak, it'd be helpful to share whatever thoughts you have or what intuition tells you.

I continue to think there is something very unnatural about endless darkness. Knowing what we know and assuming that cook is scum, this post feels like tmi.

Why do you think Dew is newbie rather than scummy? Do you think Cook is scummy for lurking or just anti-town?

Because Dew's behavior looks more clumsy than calculated to me.

Cook's lurking is anti town, but currently not indicative of alignment. His early posts were leaning a bit scummy, though, as they were filler.

This makes endlessdark look extremely self conscious of his scum buddy, presumably Cook.

My attention is divided right now and I haven't been able to get into this game so far.

Default to hammering me if there's no other good eliminations.

That C+V is a bit strange, I'll be honest, but it's forgivable.

I'm pretty certain this is not town because I don't think town ever says things like or similar to this. I can understand town being upset, desperate, or mad but just doing nothing to help the game move forward and repeating that they are willing tot be the default hammer is not something I think town would do.

VOTE: Battle Mage

Given your experience, Battle Mage, you should've known Dew wasn't the optimal vote. Your responses to her didn't at all seem to consider that the fact she was new affected her actions.

This is just a bad vote with even worse reasoning behind it. I am inclined to say the scum team is endless dark and Cook at this point.

VOTE: Enchant

my hero solve is Enchant-Cook - Enchant for the weird hammer and Cook for seeming a bit subdued.

I do not agree with this solve but I can understand where it comes from.

This is where I’m going to vote
VOTE: endlessdark

I had problems with Qspaces a while ago but this vote is definitely a good look for that slot.

prodded.

I don't trust BM entirely but go ahead with eliminating me if you need someone at deadline.

Another one of these posts is very alarming and confirms Cook as scum in my opinion.

Alright. First of all, hello! I'm going to admit it's a bit strange to be filling the body of another player - something I have never done before. I am not new to mafia as a game, but I am new to playing here on these forums. With that in mind - I have figured out most of the changes in terminology except I am uncertain on "townblock". Is this the same thing as "towncore" - a group of accepted and considered "confirmed" town?

I am compiling my own reads on everyone - but it is almost 1am and I have to be in bed; so I will return tomorrow with them.

oops. Please disregard that quote. I was trying to figure out what the coding for the vote tag was and did not realize it hadn't been deleted since I hit the back button

I am getting lost with replacements but I'll comment more on foxxi after I figure out who they replaced. But seeing that Foxxi is fairly new and one of their first posts is a reads list very similar to enchants formatting wise, I think they are town that is trying to learn how to make reads lists and be organized.

Town: Battle Mage, Wu Wei, Enchant
Null: Cookie monster
Scum: endlessdark, Cook

[Amélie]

Enchant:

Analysis: The thing that stands out the most to me here is that he asked Dew who she thought was mafia, and never even gave her a chance to reply. He got one vote, and then hammered Dew. Interestingly Qspaces was at E-1 for something like 3 days without Enchant doing to him what he did to Dew with only one day at E-1. I don’t particularly buy the “don’t put people at E-1” advice as a town read myself either. I have done and said similar things as scum many times - it is easy advice to spew for empty town points. Like many of us here, Enchant is also a newer player but this interaction is the scummiest to me.

Why not hammering Qspaces surprise you?

I didn’t say it surprised me. I said it was interesting. You hammered Dew with no warning, and only one vote on yourself, and let Qspaces sit at E-1. If one of you is scum; it’s possible the other is as well.

Ok I just realized that Foxxi replaced Wu Wei so that is already a very good look. About this post, I liked it a lot and I think this is a possibility that we must go over if Cook flips town here which I don't think he will but if he really does, this is something we need to consider as a possibility.

I am on board with Enchant's play being scummy, BUT having played a couple games with them, this does feel much more reminiscent of their town-game than their scum-game. Unnecessarily salty and defensive. Head says scum, heart says town.

Listen to your heart. I believe Enchant is town here because I feel no agenda behind his posts and no strong purpose.

VOTE:

Cook

ie Monster

There can only be one.

If Cook is town, I will be very surprised given these very scummy posts that belong in RVS more than anywhere else.

I took a peek at the suggested game, and I can see what you are getting at BM. Are you suspecting Cook is trying to play off not caring about an elimination to buy town points then?

And Cook, what do you have to say about the argument BM is making regarding how quiet you have been in comparison to your previous game?

I believe it's entirely a justified argument, however, I'd like to point out I was a Doc in that previous game, and therefore was informed slightly of the setup, had a use in actively fighting the scum team besides dayplay (which, I'd argue, is much more powerful of a motivator to play a game – having something that the other players don't), which is definitely not my strong suit, and also consequentially had a reason to play much more.

I do not believe this is an argument in your favor. Town prs like to talk a little less to avoid getting seen by scum.

I took a peek at the suggested game, and I can see what you are getting at BM. Are you suspecting Cook is trying to play off not caring about an elimination to buy town points then?

And Cook, what do you have to say about the argument BM is making regarding how quiet you have been in comparison to your previous game?

I believe it's entirely a justified argument, however, I'd like to point out I was a Doc in that previous game, and therefore was informed slightly of the setup, had a use in actively fighting the scum team besides dayplay (which, I'd argue, is much more powerful of a motivator to play a game – having something that the other players don't), which is definitely not my strong suit, and also consequentially had a reason to play much more.

Not buying this. Doc might help motivate you, but the difference between the two games is too much. There was no effort this game at all from you to help town. Hell, your last vote was completely random.

I really like this post from endless dark which is making me reconsider whether or not I was too quick to call him scum. I'll lift him to null for now.

Dew is also dead, because i hammered him. You probably should read game before thoughs.

lol this is town. enchant-scum is significantly more measured and cautious. And I don't think scum ever posts something as antagonistic as this when they are potentially on the chopping block.

I definitely agree with this.

Town: Foxxi, Enchant, Battle Mage
Null: Cookie monster, endlessdark
Scum: Cook

[Amélie]

After a little bit more thought, I will be dropping Battle Mage because I feel his recent posting has been a little worrisome.
Town: Foxxi, Enchant
Null: Cookie monster, endlessdark, Battle Mage
Scum: Cook

I feel like I am ready to end the day. I believe Cook is scum and maybe this game will have more energy after a scum flip.
VOTE: Cook
That is the hammer.

[Battle Mage]

what about my posting is worrisome?

[Amélie]

It has felt like you wanted to stop the Cook wagon.

[Amélie]

That might be an exaggeration but it feels like you have some hesitancy towards Cook and I do not understand why.

[Enchant]

I request that no one votes Cook until I am caught up because if the thread is locked, quoting posts is much more difficult and I have to click the pm button and copy paste it.

Enchant, that's quite rude. I am commenting as I read the thread.

Sorry, but you say you noticed this game before replacement and already jumped with reasons to call Cook mafia. So, you pointed you read game even before.

Which is really looking strange, because you also didn't notice two obvious things happened. Which really point you didn't properly read even first post, where moderator posts who died. It's understandable, but again, you already agreed with Cook being mafia, for which you need evidence.

I don't want being rude, just point that.

[Battle Mage]

That might be an exaggeration but it feels like you have some hesitancy towards Cook and I do not understand why.

Yeah I think a little hesitancy is fair - I guess I didn't really get a scummy vibe from the way he just sort of, gave up and didn't fight at all. Like I said, it's explainable by either resignation (because him and his partner don't fancy their chances) or, less likely, complacency (he thinks his partner is so good they will win without him). Which I guess is the contrast I pointed out with Endlessdark. Endlessdark is extremely concerned with his own survival, Cook couldn't care less. Initially I also bought his point about being less motivated because he didn't have a PR, but Endlessdark was right to highlight the significant contrast between his play here and in newbie 2052 which suggest that isn't a strong enough explanation.

Nothing wrong with being prudent and taking more time to consider everything anyway.