Open 838 – ISITMAINAC [Endgame]

[Cook]

vc

Looker (1): Jacket
RH9 (1): Scorpious


With 7 alive it takes 4 to reach a decision.
(expired on 2022-01-01 01:47:02) remain.

[RCEnigma]

i'm not VT did you want my full claim

No.

[RCEnigma]

Actually it doesn't matter, we can only exist in 1 setup with multiple nightplay world's.

StD is conftown regardless.

[RCEnigma]

The setup is DDVMTTT with 2 conftown in myself and StD.

4v2v1

Im fairly certain that SK killed greeting last night and maf struck SK. With their BP down they are at risk of losing tonight.
SK also loses if they shoot town tonight. Scum can't CC SK with two alive because they just lose.

Looker/jacket/Scorpius/rh9/Nathan contains all non town

Looker/jacket/Scorpius likely contains all scum and possibly SK but I'm not quite as sure on the SK.

I'm actually sure that Scorpius is conf!scum at this point and Jacket is the likely partner.

So looker/rh9/Nathan is my SK pool with rh9 being most likely to me.

[RCEnigma]

Mmm who killed greeting is actually kind of important. I could see the teams being either Scorpius + Jacket or Rh9 + Looker.

[Scorpious]

The setup is DDVMTTT with 2 conftown in myself and StD.

4v2v1

Im fairly certain that SK killed greeting last night and maf struck SK. With their BP down they are at risk of losing tonight.
SK also loses if they shoot town tonight. Scum can't CC SK with two alive because they just lose.

Looker/jacket/Scorpius/rh9/Nathan contains all non town

Looker/jacket/Scorpius likely contains all scum and possibly SK but I'm not quite as sure on the SK.

I'm actually sure that Scorpius is conf!scum at this point and Jacket is the likely partner.

So looker/rh9/Nathan is my SK pool with rh9 being most likely to me.

Back to the drawing board for you..

I do appreciate your effort. You’re just wrong.

[RCEnigma]

Has to be a vig because of 3 deaths N1, right?

I said it the way I said it intentionally.

Pre mass claim we lived in a potential world with 2 vigs in the setup, but also 1 with the opportunity for scum to counterclaim a pr.

Example, we could still have been in the setup we are currently in but scum could have claimed full vig and we wouldn't have a conftown outside of myself right now.

[Nathann]

I guess I have to properly read the Jacket/Three interactions. I thought I saw Jacket softing Vigilante, which is partly why I wasn't paying too much attention to him.

Scorpious, do you mind actually responding to my 981? And please tell me you have better reason to scumread me than "he said the game isn't lost yet".

[RCEnigma]

Well, only because there was outside potential that all prs -1 shot doc took action (two vig shots +maf kill +SK) against (doc shot)for 4 kills and one doc got a save. And then maf hitting SK the next night with only the full vig getting a kill and 1 shot doc getting a save.

[RCEnigma]

You would have to show me the soft.

[RCEnigma]

Or vig could have holstered and SK hit greeting. I don't think vig is compulsive but I didn't read the rolecard.

[Nathann]

Mmm who killed greeting is actually kind of important. I could see the teams being either Scorpius + Jacket or Rh9 + Looker.

I don't think there is a way to know for sure? The other kill might have gone onto the SK, saved by a Doc (we have an IC after all), or they could've doubled up.

Why do you think Scorpious is scum? I'm not gonna say I

love

his contributions today, far from it, but not quite confirmed scum to me.

[Nathann]

You would have to show me the soft.

If there's a vig, please shoot not_mafia.

This, followed with Not_Mafia dying from what really seemed like a Vigilante shot. It made sense in my head.

[RCEnigma]

Scorpius' flip from scumreading Jacket for lack of involvement of their predecessor to scumreading Jacket all of yesterday all the way up to three's hammer to townreading them today is extremely fishy.

Add jacket fighting for Scorpius when their elim was actually on the table over adse and their is partner equity there for sure.

[Nathann]

ctrl+F'ing "Jacket" in Scorpious's ISO, the townread does seem very out of the blue. So much so I'd rather say it implies that Jacket

isn't

partnered with Scorpious and this is him leaving a false trail for when he's dead. But, I need to give Jacket a second look anyway.

[RCEnigma]

From your perspective one of jacket/Scorpius/looker has to be scum at the very least. The rest depends on your view of RH9. If you think he is town/SK then BOTH scum have to be in that pool of 3. I think I remember mental logging some anti associatives with looker's slot but I don't remember who's iso I was going through at the time.

[RCEnigma]

The setup is DDVMTTT with 2 conftown in myself and StD.

4v2v1

Im fairly certain that SK killed greeting last night and maf struck SK. With their BP down they are at risk of losing tonight.
SK also loses if they shoot town tonight. Scum can't CC SK with two alive because they just lose.

Looker/jacket/Scorpius/rh9/Nathan contains all non town

Looker/jacket/Scorpius likely contains all scum and possibly SK but I'm not quite as sure on the SK.

I'm actually sure that Scorpius is conf!scum at this point and Jacket is the likely partner.

So looker/rh9/Nathan is my SK pool with rh9 being most likely to me.

Back to the drawing board for you..

I do appreciate your effort. You’re just wrong.

Where did I mess up?

[Jacket]

Dragons as confirmed town makes me feel significantly better about my vote on Looker.

[Nathann]

You called him scum, obviously that's where you messed up.

I'm just annoyed because I really thought I had found some anti-associatives for Scorpious and Jacket, plus that the way the EoD wagons were playing out suggested TvT. The team would have to be exactly Looker + RH9 if I hadn't messed up anywhere there, and that's not even thinking about the SK, which I have no clue how to look for.

[Jacket]

You would have to show me the soft.

If there's a vig, please shoot not_mafia.

This, followed with Not_Mafia dying from what really seemed like a Vigilante shot. It made sense in my head.

I don't think I'd have ever overtly called my shot like this as vig, FWIW

[Jacket]

I think it's really super obvious to anyone that's not Three that Scorp wouldn't try to bus his teammate immediately on replace in. But maybe that's because I'm biased.

[Jacket]

Thoughts last night were that I might be being overly generous to Nathann and really need to refresh my read there. Still don't think Scorp is likely to be groupscum. If we're in a SK setup (which I think is confirmed now?) he could potentially be SK. Although that statement could easily apply to anyone.

[RCEnigma]

vc

Three (5) [HAMMER]: Jacket, Three, Greeting, Scorpious, Looker

Looker (2): Nathann, Save The Dragons
Jacket (1): RCEnigma

With 9 alive it took 5 to hammer

Three

, with 3 days, 8 hours, and 57 minutes of discussion time remaining.
(expired on 2021-12-26 22:14:02) remains.

Three has been hammered! The twilight timer already passed.

Scorpius let's look at your perspective for a second. What you're putting out is that the scumteam is RH9 + Nathan and the Three wagon is all town. I can assume this since those are your townreads (Looker and Jacket).

That makes 5 town remaining (you, me, StD, Looker, Jacket)
Except there are only 4 town alive.

[Jacket]

Sorry, holiday weekend then returning to email hell at work.

RH9, and Nathann are my scum reads .
STD could be whatever. No ideas how one would read that.
Looker and Jacket are my towns.

VOTE: RH9

Why looker?

[RCEnigma]

Thoughts last night were that I might be being overly generous to Nathann and really need to refresh my read there. Still don't think Scorp is likely to be groupscum. If we're in a SK setup (which I think is confirmed now?) he could potentially be SK. Although that statement could easily apply to anyone.

Ok. If Scorpius is SK who do you think he plays toward in this endgame?