Newbie 2100 | Town wins

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Newbie 2100 Votecount - 1.9

- Phighter (on mafiauniverse.com)

Votecount

T3 (3):

Wayward Son, Tejate Raichu, KittyTacky

KittyTacky (2):

BloodB0t, Salsabil Faria

BloodB0t (1):

Greeting

CornPuffBuddha (1):

Tejate Raichu

Salsabil Faria (1):

Moonshot

Not Voting (1):

T3

5 votes are required for majority.

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-08-23 15:00:00)

Vote History

Post #7: Calum votes Tejate Raichu
Post #8: Greeting votes Wayward Son
Post #9: CornPuffBuddha votes Tejate Raichu
Post #10: Salsabil Faria votes KittyTacky
Post #11: Emollient votes Tejate Raichu
Post #12: BloodB0t votes Emollient
Post #15: Tejate Raichu votes CornPuffBuddha
Post #17: Emollient votes BloodB0t
Post #18: BloodB0t votes CornPuffBuddha
Post #20: Wayward Son votes Greeting
Post #31: CornPuffBuddha votes BloodB0t
Post #41: BloodB0t votes Greeting
Post #66: Wayward Son votes Calum
Post #78: Greeting unvotes
Post #80: Greeting votes Salsabil Faria
Post #85: Salsabil Faria votes Wayward Son
Post #90: BloodB0t votes Wayward Son
Post #109: Emollient votes Wayward Son
Post #111: Tejate Raichu votes Calum
Post #113: CornPuffBuddha unvotes
Post #122: BloodB0t votes Greeting
Post #123: Greeting votes BloodB0t
Post #126: Emollient unvotes
Post #137: KittyTacky votes Calum
Post #138: BloodB0t votes Calum
Post #148: BloodB0t unvotes
Post #187: Moonshot votes Salsabil Faria
Post #259: BloodB0t votes KittyTacky
Post #260: Salsabil Faria unvotes
Post #261: Salsabil Faria votes KittyTacky

[Tejate Raichu]

UNVOTE: T3

T3's entry and the response to it has given me some things to think about. Feeling a bit less confident in this slot's scuminess now. I intend to look over some posts from T3, Salsabil, and Greeting later though I am a bit busy and will be for the latter half of the day.

In the meantime,

@T3

who would you say is your strongest SR at the moment? Like, if we had to vote right this second who are you parked on?

[Greeting]

@

Salsabil Faria

I gather you think the scum team is

BloodB0t

/

KittyTacky

. Do you think scum!

BloodB0t

is bussing in 259?

[T3]

UNVOTE: T3

T3's entry and the response to it has given me some things to think about. Feeling a bit less confident in this slot's scuminess now. I intend to look over some posts from T3, Salsabil, and Greeting later though I am a bit busy and will be for the latter half of the day.

In the meantime,

@T3

who would you say is your strongest SR at the moment? Like, if we had to vote right this second who are you parked on?

Greeting

More catchup coming soon

[Greeting]

Greeting

More catchup coming soon

Because of one post (23), which you never explained, even though I specifically asked you to (242).

[T3]

Greeting

More catchup coming soon

Because of one post (23), which you never explained, even though I specifically asked you to (242).

When you put it like that…..

I scumread that post because it looked like you were trying to cast shade on things that are NAI, and there was stuff of very little substance that only serves to cast attention on to other players.

In short: this post pinged me very badly

[BloodB0t]

Salsa makes a really good point in 127. Bloodbot does never answer what he gathered.

What did I find? Well, I helped everyone find Calum as scummy. I also personally found Greeting to be scummy.

I realize I need more experience to be able to use a 'reaction' strategy effectively... or perhaps it's better I never use it. But I did answer the question. I'm just not very good, and didn't find something specific I could articulate other than what I already said. People don't seem to like my explanations anyways, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Why bother trying to write something smart and detailed when the effort won't matter anyways?

[BloodB0t]

I have a slight town read on T3.

[Greeting]

Greeting

More catchup coming soon

Because of one post (23), which you never explained, even though I specifically asked you to (242).

When you put it like that…..

I scumread that post because it looked like you were trying to cast shade on things that are NAI, and there was stuff of very little substance that only serves to cast attention on to other players.

In short: this post pinged me very badly

It is not common for so many votes to land on one slot in early RVS. And, the mafia RVS votes are not as random as they could be.

This point did turn out to be moot, but I think I had the right to be concerned.

[BloodB0t]

I tried being 'smart' again this game because of the new crowd, but it seems I'm just not good at playing this game that way, so I'm just going to try not to overthink things.

[Wayward Son]

I have a slight town read on T3.

I'd rather you do this.

I tried being 'smart' again this game because of the new crowd, but it seems I'm just not good at playing this game that way, so I'm just going to try not to overthink things.

Rather than this. Defeatism generally comes off scummy to me.

I'll try to get on soon to answer any questions and give my opinion.

[BloodB0t]

I'm just warning people so they don't get suspicious when I'm not posting my way out there theories for the rest of this game.

[T3]

Your reasoning is that he's too scummy to be scum?????

Calum's ISO is pretty bad. But my worry is that town!Calum is low hanging fruit for scum, and a green flip on Calum wouldn't get us that much information going into D2. I think that a vote on Wayward or Blood, no matter how it flips, would be much more informative to the state of the game.

I'm interested in what my flip could give you?

From my perspective you'll get my Town reads and my best guess for scum.

Fluff

Spoiler:

I'm going to a concert, so I won't be around til late tonight. Evenescence and Korn.

Spoiler: fluff

nice - I’m a casual fan of both evanescence and korn. They’re coming to my city in a week.

[T3]

Your reasoning is that he's too scummy to be scum?????

"Too scummy to be scum" is a fallacy, especially in newbie games. Pretty sure he's just scum.

KT is acting very muted which I think is a scumtell for him.

[T3]

How does a lack of contribution and a bad iso give you a null read on Calum? Normally when people have null reads on someone, it's because they are conflicted between different points that seem to support both a town and a scum. So what about Calum supports him being townie and goes against him being scum? It seems like you're just avoiding giving a real read on him.

See 181.

This is a Newbie game. Some Newbie slots are just like that, they don't fully know how to play, even if they know how to play, they might not know how people play on MafiaScum (long Day Phases, a lot of analysing) they get stressed/discouraged and sometimes even replace out.

Greeting’s defense of Calum is towny - Calum pretty widely suspected and there’s no reason for Greeting to try to stop the momentum of Calum’s wagon.

[T3]

Here are my initial thoughts on the game.

Calum

While the play does look scummy, it could well be the case that he is new (as he states in 55 and simply doesn't have a clue as to what is going on or how to play. I'd rather wait to see how he develops (if indeed he posts anything else) I don't think there would be

much

any info gained from flipping this slot right now.


Also....

I'll go find a profile pic.

can you make this a priority, if you are still playing that is.

Wayward Son

An awful lot of fluffposting as has been pointed out and isn't adding much right now.
I'm struggling to decide whether it's town fluff of scum fluff.

Bloodb0t's ISO is pretty bad.

Can you point out a few things from their ISO that you find bad please?

CornPuffBuddha

I'm liking as town very much, really looks like genuiue attempts at solving the game going on so far.

I'll give a full reads list later if anybody would find that useful, but I think my reads are more or less transparent at the moment.

Yes please!

One more thing (don't think this has been asked yet) - newbies, what's your mafia experience on/off the forum?

I previously played a couple of games on this site, about 15 years ago. I've played on a couple of other forums too.

Tejate Raichu

Seems to be hung up on pushing a Calum lim with a hot mess of opinion on bloodbot.

For example.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on the idea that I was directly defending Bloodb0t's slot. To be clear, at this point in time I don't particularly mind a day 1 elim on them, he's simply not my first choice. I currently don't see a universe where Calum's actions aren't significantly more scummy thus far than Blood's.

So you are fine with a Bloodbot lim... but,

snip...

1) He comes off scummier to me than Bloodb0t at this current moment. This does

not

mean I townread Bloodb0t.
2) scum!Calum has a very high chance of implying a town!Bloodb0t.

TL;DR, I null read Bloodb0t and scum read Calum. I don't believe I ever actually WK'd Bloodb0t in post 48.

Tejate Raichu thinks Calum is guarenteed scum, and Bloodbot is null but also thinks that if Calum is scum Bloodbot is almost certain to be town. but is

still

ok with a bloodbot lim.
So two questions.

1. Is Bloodbot still a null read? (if not, why not?)
2. Why would you be ok with eliminating a null read?

BloodB0t

I'm leaning town at this point. I think I'm reading newbie!town trying to scumhunt (badly).
If any of his detractors have anything to change my mind then I'd love to hear it*.

*Pedit:

@Greeting

I'm aware of your case, I'll share my views on this in another post. This one is already a bit too WoT

Salsabil Faria (SE)

Not liking at all.

It's weird to say role list rather than player list

Looking at Kitty's location and general language I'm going to hazard a guess that English is not their first language. This kind of "case" is just lazy and pointless.

Yeah, right but it would be if it's a

scum-slip

. Iirr,

Kitty

isn't a total newb and the wording can't be proved as a slip, so I'm gonna drop the theory for now.

How could using the "wrong" word

ever

be a scum-slip?

@ Greeting or anyone.

How do we jump start a slow game?

I AM Town, and I wanna win.

@ Calum No not really, I've used it before.

You say you're new but that doesn't mean you're not scum. You seem kinda off kilter this early, if that's even the right way to describe it.

Are you scum?

@ emollient You've become my newest, and maybe strongest town read.

70 was very good! I sure hope you're on our side!

Don't like these. Reasons:

1.

Re:65>> Buddy attempt to town!

Greeting

or scum-theatre attempt with scum!

Greeting

. The underlined part is read to me like what a (newb) scum would say, "

Look, I'm town!

". [There is a term here for it, can't remember]

I read this as a newb asking a

SE

for advice on how to try to get the game going. What do you think of this interaction now, particularly, in light of post 78?


Do you think that newb town might also say the underlined part? If not why not?

Opposite of your[/color]

Wayward

read, null/scum; null/townread on

Calum

, like his posts on page 3 (though I'm not sure about his 58 yet) & on

CornPuffBuddha

for 82 mainly, seems like we're on the same page; rests are null for now.

This is so strange. you like Calum's page 3 posts?
Here is one of them.

I am town.

You, in the same post, just listed this as something a new scum player would most likely say.

Greeting (SE)

I have to say greeting is obv!town.

KittyTacky (SE)

Also, KittyTacky, what are your thoughts so far reading back through the thread? And is there a reason you didn't vote anyone in your opening?

I second this question.

Any thoughts on the thread so far,

KittyTacky

?

I think it's actually easier to read people this time around than in my few previous games, TBH.

And yet we don't have any reads from you other than Bloodbot is prob!town and Calum is prob!newScum

TL;DR

Town:
Greeting, CornPuffBuddha

Null Leaning town:
Bloodbot

Null leaning Mafia:
Wayward Son, Calum, KittyTacky

Mafia:
Tejate Raichu, Salsabil Faria

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

And that's me done for now.

why is greeting obvtown?

[T3]

And another thing: Greeting, you have said a couple times now that Calum is LHF. Think about this from my perspective for a second: my "defenses" of Bloodb0t mostly involved pointing out that, at the time he was actually LHF. I used this to point out a particular post sussing Bloodb0t that I didn't like because it seemed like it was simply trying to reach that LHF rather than actually get a mafia limmed.

Does the same thing not apply to why you think my suspicion of Calum over Blood isn't warranted? If I'm reading correctly, you believe my reasoning for a Calum wagon is bad, and therefor I am scum with Bloodb0t trying to get the LHF. Does that actually make sense, though? Why do you feel so confident that I am trying to push Calum because he's LHF? Why do you seem to think this is any different than my "defense" of Blood?

I have made my case with regard to you and

BloodB0t

, it's in my ISO and I continue to support it. I can obviously see a universe where

BloodB0t

is town LHF. I am not 100% sure on that scumread. It's just the best I have for today, and given the way Day 1 is going now, it will probably be my best case this Day.

Calum

is, in my humble opinion, far lower hanging fruit though.

Part of why I am so reluctant to scumread him for the obvious is my extensive experience of playing Newbie games with players who had similar levels of activity (and sometimes even replaced out) who were all scumread en masse for it.

BloodB0t

would be a different kind of LHF if he's town - the explanation would be erratic behavior and gameplay issues (I have played with players who genuinely attempt to start discussions like this).

Nonetheless, my approach is not without its flaws. What if we're at ELo ("eliminate or lose") and

Calum

is still alive? This kind of slot, if town, is just perfect for the mafia to have in the game because he's totally mislimmable.

I really don't like it when people use the "too scummy to be scum" argument. Usually that person is just... bad scum.

From what I’ve seen, TSTBS in newbie games is neither a town tell or a scum tell, it’s usually that the person’s scummy behavior isn’t actually scummy, but that person can still be scum.

[T3]

Greeting, why did you immediately townread Moonshot? I didn’t see anything AI in his posting.

[T3]

Either Emollient is scum that subconsciously radiates town vibes, or he received a green role PM.

My best guess for N1 (lim)?

This post is towny - I don’t think that scum would just randomly decide to speculate about the N1 night kill in thread. Doing this suggests that Wayward subconsciously knows he is town.

[T3]

@ Calum No not really, I've used it before.

You say you're new but that doesn't mean you're not scum. You seem kinda off kilter this early, if that's even the right way to describe it.

Are you scum?

@ emollient You've become my newest, and maybe strongest town read.

70 was very good! I sure hope you're on our side!

Alright, we’re on the same page here.

@ emollient You've become my newest, and maybe strongest town read.

70 was very good! I sure hope you're on our side!

What was towny about 70?

What were we on the same page about? If we were, why are you casting shade?

We were on the same page about whether Emollient was town or scum, but I also wanted to know your specific reasoning.

[T3]

KittyTacky

32 = At RVS stage, I usually look for any ping from anyone (even if it's very small or not enough to judge) & move forward with my game from there. This post was on page 2 & enough for me to start scum-hunting early.

98, 101 = Doesn't get much from here to change my thought on him.

99, 100, 102, 129, 193, 194, 250 = NAI

128, 166 = Empty read with no reasoning.

137 = Never mentioned his

Calum/T3

suspicion before but popped in to vote them without giving any reasoning.

152 = One liner reasoning & again not enough + don't understand how 135 is a slip when in 124,

Greeting

said: "

BloodB0t is at E-2 now. If you agree with this read, feel free to jump in, but please announce that you're putting him on E-1.

"

178 =

@Kitty

, why do you find

Greeting's defense of Calum is odd

?

My read:

Scum

I strongly agree with your read on KT as of now. KT’s attack on Calum looked manufactured and his tone is far too serious than I would expect from town!KT.

[T3]

Today I would be willing to vote in [KT, Salsa, Greeting].

[T3]

I did scumread Greeting earlier and I still don’t have much reason to townread him, but I think KT is significantly scummier.

VOTE: KT

[Wayward Son]

@ Salsabil You ask a lot of questions, so it's gonna take a bit to respond to all of it. I wanna read your other posts before I start my responses too.

I'll be around on Mafiascum for a while, if anyone wants to discuss our D1 lim.

[KittyTacky]

9 pages and the deadline is in 3 days

Yeah this game is quiet, and I have been more quiet than usual because I don't know what to say when few people are talking.

Yeah, that's why I asked you when you were on. I want your honest opinion on Today, please.

Catching up.

My honest opinion is that I'm pretty sure Calum/T3 is scum, Greeting is wrong town, Blood is also wrong town, you are town, Salsabil is probably town. Don't like the flashwagon on me but I still townread the people on it.