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[Hu Tao]

A bulletproof miller indicates to me there’s a vig in the game. From a setup standpoint, I’m not sure why else the Miller would be bulletproof. Looking at the archives, the only other game with a 1-shot bulletproof Miller did have a vig.

Now, if we get to endgame and there isn’t a vig shot or claim, then I’ll be a little suspicious.

Iavh what do you think of this analysis?

Yeah. I could see it, which is why I don't think RN should be voted today at the very least

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao who is your second most likely scumread?

If I had to choose, star. But I would highly prefer greeting today. Thoughts?

[Hu Tao]

I've made up my mind about a few things. I'm willing to change starfire from scummy to town probably maybe depending on their posts. bob keeps telling me hu tao is town so I might maybe just move hu tao as well.

town

PC
Happy
civil ape
kkfc

lean town

RN
save dragons

null

yimm
bellaphant

lean scum

hu tao
starfire
greeting

scum

naerys
bob

VOTE: bob

Bob is way too low, greeting is maybe town, ST D is....sure a read, talk me through that one? And the Bob one, honestly

Did kkfc not respond to my walk through their iso? I'm sure I raised some talking points.

Now I need to see this. Why is greeting potentially town to you?

[Hu Tao]

Cool, I think we are saying the same thing about the civil/nearys convo: there was a misunderstanding. I think what you've said now is actually what you thought then and that's fine.

I think the bazuf thing bothered me because his push on me felt really bad, but as you said, he hasn't been back. I think activity is nai and it felt like you were implying it wasn't, but reading back that might be a me issue.

The shade thing was also kind of a joke: I'm sure someone had been talking about shade and I was just messing about.

My read on who? You? You are probably town from this chat. I could see std being scum really easily, I've identified them as town fairly quickly in other games. I think if there is scum pushing lhf it's those pushing hu, not std

Can you expand on the StD meta? Usually takes awhile for me to completely read them. Also what's lhf?

[Save The Dragons]

Cool, I think we are saying the same thing about the civil/nearys convo: there was a misunderstanding. I think what you've said now is actually what you thought then and that's fine.

I think the bazuf thing bothered me because his push on me felt really bad, but as you said, he hasn't been back. I think activity is nai and it felt like you were implying it wasn't, but reading back that might be a me issue.

The shade thing was also kind of a joke: I'm sure someone had been talking about shade and I was just messing about.

My read on who? You? You are probably town from this chat. I could see std being scum really easily, I've identified them as town fairly quickly in other games. I think if there is scum pushing lhf it's those pushing hu, not std

Am I a null read or a scum read

[Civil Scum]

I’m interested in Bellaphants answers here.

Also would like to hear from PC some of his reasoning for voting Bob.

If Naerys flips town I will be suspicious of Bob and Happy as I feel they dropped in finally to get town points for interrogating her.

Also just to be clear, I am claiming 2-shot Vig.

[iamveryhappy]

I’m interested in Bellaphants answers here.

Also would like to hear from PC some of his reasoning for voting Bob.

If Naerys flips town I will be suspicious of Bob and Happy as I feel they dropped in finally to get town points for interrogating her.

Also just to be clear, I am claiming 2-shot Vig.

…my vote is on Hu Tao
I didn't really interrogate people, I was just catching up on information they missed earlier.

[Civil Scum]

Since you're here IAVH what do you think of the exchanges in 443?

Valid point from Save The Dragons, Naerys looks to get a lurker slot out which is ehh, I don't like it, it's nullscum for me, but the thing that was highlighted was

not your top suspect

or smth like that
that's the point that just makes it much worse to me
Save The Dragons gets townpoints, still has a bit to go
Naerys - townpoints
UNVOTE:

I actually think Naerys comes out of this exchange for the worse.

I also am not feeling good about her strong belief in RNs claim.

At any rate Happy, am I misreading this post? you seem to dislike Naerys for pushing the lurker spot instead of voting her top read, and then you give her townie points for it?

[Civil Scum]

In hindsight, the post below does not seem to line up very cleanly with Naerys’s later read of Random Nurse.

1-shot

Bulletproof Miller, to be exact.

Sounds legit.

Random Nurse

- Hard to read for me and claims to be a 1-shot Bulletproof Miller, his posts seem to lack a substance, honestly dont know what to think of him right now

Bazuf

- I need more posts from this player. Usage of those "..." in his last post is rubbing me a wrong way, might be a silly thing though.

Bellaphent

- I am inclined to believe Bella is town. Or, at the very least, is trying to be seen to be helpful.

bob3141

- The stuff you wrote about wagons makes sense, i have a town gut feeling there

Civil Scum

- As bob wrote, early wagon might indicate that Scum is a town. Interesting is, that he believe that Bob might be scum.

Greeting

- Too low number of posts to think anything, really.

Hu Tao

- Too little data from posts. Honestly feels like " i am talking, but i dont really put an effort"

iamveryhappy

- He feels as if he is trying to solve. Somehow it doesnt feel entirely good tho, but i cannot really say why. But in later posts feels more towny. Lets just say i have confused gut feelings about him for now.

KatyKimFanClub

- Yes, i admit i thought you wanted to push for Civil. Still feels weird to me.

Political Clout

- Clout vs Starfire interaction feels more like a misunderstanding to me, not as something scum indicative to either player. As of right now, Clout is a null read for me.

Save The Dragons

- Feels very suspicious. And those trolling posts arent really helping.

StarFire

- Same as Clout. Null to me right now.

[Civil Scum]

VOTE: Naerys


What are your current reads? As since your last read list you ahve largly been coasting with the only posts being dfeensive or setting up executions. As you said in post 214 greeting was null yet in your next post you say there must be one scum in Bazuf/ Greeting yet never say way you believe that. And in addition your make this claim when one of them is infact null to you at that point due to low posts

I know Naerys addressed this post but I wanted to voice agreement with Bobs characterization of her previous behavior here.

I also didn’t see much evolution in her reads over time and I’m not really sure why she is voting STD tbh.

[Civil Scum]

What are your current reads? As since your last read list you ahve largly been coasting with the only posts being dfeensive or setting up executions. As you said in post 214 greeting was null yet in your next post you say there must be one scum in Bazuf/ Greeting yet never say way you believe that. And in addition your make this claim when one of them is infact null to you at that point due to low posts

Honestly at this moment i mislike Save the dragons. It might be just me, but his posts seem so lacking. He claims he is trying to solve, but it doesnt really sit well with me.

I guess this is where she explains.

Oddly enough my read is the exact opposite, STDs self-proclaimed entitlement to the benefit of the doubt, especially early on, strikes me as very townie rather than scummy on a very basic psychological level.

[Hu Tao]

I’m interested in Bellaphants answers here.

Also would like to hear from PC some of his reasoning for voting Bob.

If Naerys flips town I will be suspicious of Bob and Happy as I feel they dropped in finally to get town points for interrogating her.

Also just to be clear, I am claiming 2-shot Vig.

…my vote is on Hu Tao
I didn't really interrogate people, I was just catching up on information they missed earlier.

Thoughts on greeting?

[iamveryhappy]

Since you're here IAVH what do you think of the exchanges in 443?

Valid point from Save The Dragons, Naerys looks to get a lurker slot out which is ehh, I don't like it, it's nullscum for me, but the thing that was highlighted was

not your top suspect

or smth like that
that's the point that just makes it much worse to me
Save The Dragons gets townpoints, still has a bit to go
Naerys - townpoints
UNVOTE:

I actually think Naerys comes out of this exchange for the worse.

I also am not feeling good about her strong belief in RNs claim.

At any rate Happy, am I misreading this post? you seem to dislike Naerys for pushing the lurker spot instead of voting her top read, and then you give her townie points for it?

Minus townie points
sorry if confusion.

[Civil Scum]

Noted.

If you are town generally the best thing to do is ask post game. As its really scummy as town should be focused on solving and not on one players view on them as just looks like survivalism. That comes from scum more than town

One could say that whenever a Town player pushes back on an accusation that could also be an instance of survivalism.

Scum want to survive, but can and do frequently bus, and oftentimes Town players will also try to fight to survive to get into endgame.

Certain an element of it when town but you often see it paired with them actively pushing there scum reads.

in this case they were trying to find out why a player scum read them that they now scum read.

Aswell as town reading all the players pushing them. Which kind if reminds me of my first scum game. In that game i made slip pretty early that end up nearly getting me killed but i resorted to town reading my main pushers in order to just look like scummy town.

in this case 90% of tehre posting is either defending or try to placate players pushing them

Again I agree with Bob, especially on the bolded part. I mean, you don’t need to refuse to answer any questions from someone because you have a scum read on them, but I would feel a little better about Naerys if there had been atleast a tinge of that sense in her STD interactions that she was dealing with a possible scum.

[Civil Scum]

Sorry to keep posting like this but ya know, smartphone.

I also don’t like this post.

If i were scum, i would try to either avoid or lash against Random´s probing.
And here i am, trying to answear them all as well as i can.
Might be utterly unbelieveable at this point but not giving up yet.
Just trying to say that no matter what you say, the truth is only one.

Keep

at it.

I agree Naerys has seemed very levelheaded and calm in the given circumstances, but I don’t like that she pointed this out as a defense.

[Civil Scum]

Also, I absolutely dislike almost all of

Civil Scum

’s reads in this game, but sadly I do not know if he’s scum or just confused town.

I mean the tone sounds alright, but the content just does not click with me.

Really Greeting, no read on me at all eh?

[Hu Tao]

Sorry to keep posting like this but ya know, smartphone.

I also don’t like this post.

If i were scum, i would try to either avoid or lash against Random´s probing.
And here i am, trying to answear them all as well as i can.
Might be utterly unbelieveable at this point but not giving up yet.
Just trying to say that no matter what you say, the truth is only one.

Keep

at it.

I agree Naerys has seemed very levelheaded and calm in the given circumstances, but I don’t like that she pointed this out as a defense.

In my opinion that is there best post. Seems genuine

[Civil Scum]

That last post is a little funny coming from you this game Greeting…

I don’t have to write paragraphs with every post. I can just get straight to the point.
If you need to use your post count as an argument to prove that you are contributing to the game (346) then something’s off.

I’m also failing to come up with many points you’ve gotten straight too…

[Civil Scum]

Sorry to keep posting like this but ya know, smartphone.

I also don’t like this post.

If i were scum, i would try to either avoid or lash against Random´s probing.
And here i am, trying to answear them all as well as i can.
Might be utterly unbelieveable at this point but not giving up yet.
Just trying to say that no matter what you say, the truth is only one.

Keep

at it.

I agree Naerys has seemed very levelheaded and calm in the given circumstances, but I don’t like that she pointed this out as a defense.

In my opinion that is there best post. Seems genuine

Could be coached though?

[Yimmy]

ugh i left my laptop charger so now i have to phone post. you guys better cherish every post i make before Thursday night

[Civil Scum]

Naerys since there is more than one scum in 13p, even if they are still null which of your null reads do you think your leaning more towards scum than town

Another hard agree here, being unreadable isn’t scummy.
Hu Tao. Others in the null reads have atleast few townie points in my mind. It’s more of Hu being unreadable to me, but if i had to really pick another scum, it would be Hu.

So being unreadable is scummy?

[Civil Scum]

Hmm my text didn’t follow the quote.

I agree with Hu Tao here, being unreadable is not scummy.

[Civil Scum]

ugh i left my laptop charger so now i have to phone post. you guys better cherish every post i make before Thursday night

Don’t worry about it if it’s too much trouble, everyone here apparently loves lurkers LOL

[Civil Scum]

That last post is a little funny coming from you this game Greeting…

Glad someone else sees it. I think greetings could be scum tbh. He sees people say my name as a potential vote and he votes me

More agreement. Would like to hear clear case on Hu Tao.

[Hu Tao]

Sorry to keep posting like this but ya know, smartphone.

I also don’t like this post.

If i were scum, i would try to either avoid or lash against Random´s probing.
And here i am, trying to answear them all as well as i can.
Might be utterly unbelieveable at this point but not giving up yet.
Just trying to say that no matter what you say, the truth is only one.

Keep

at it.

I agree Naerys has seemed very levelheaded and calm in the given circumstances, but I don’t like that she pointed this out as a defense.

In my opinion that is there best post. Seems genuine

Could be coached though?

That doesn't come off as a calculated post. Seems like emotion of someone trying their best when it's not enough.