Web of Trust - Game Over

[Kcdaspot]

also

waiting on a answer concerning the myk > kit vote!

[Kcdaspot]

I REALLY NEED TO STOP POSTING!!!
ebwop:i'm also iso-ing myk for safety reasons.

[Tasky]

also

waiting on a answer concerning the myk > kit vote!

mykonan trusted Kitoari here

[mykonian]

well no other way to crack it...

trust myk and Lady L

I know lady... This post and the next (where he pronounces that he himself is protown, just as you) aren't convincing. Seriously, why trust in the last round before you have reread?

This is Zang's replacement, right? Zang-Kage still fits. It's very surprising that Kcda does have a gut feeling on JDGA, but completely avoids town's strongest read: Kagelord.

[Kcdaspot]

got a little bit of isoing done.... mainly trying to figure out why people think i'm scummy. looks zang didn't really put enough effort in, as for JDGA's slot I only need to point you to his predecessor's(drench's) iso. Along the same vain I can't tell if its scummy or lack of effort in that slot...

@myk: right, gonna do him next

[Kcdaspot]

WALL POST
My iso on KL

post 2: Trust's wingless out the gate
post 3: logic/fluff
post 4: bit fluffy
post 5: Trust zod.
post 6: thinks dench is scummy
post 7: whines, thinks zang and myk are scum
post 8: as fluffly as a good pillow
post 9: concedes to myk
post 10: trust's kit
post 11: fluff(?)
post 12: futher distrust in myk, suggest a web with my slot
post 13: tiff with myk, provides a suggestion
post 14: suggests a web: Kit, Zod, JDGA, LadyL's slot, and my slot
post 15: WIFOM maybe?
posts 16-18: sucks up to myk
post 19: lolscum, now reads LadyL's slot, myk as town.
post 20: retort's to zod
post 21: suggests LL, myk, KL, zod, kit
post 22: argues impossible for him to be scum
post 23: gets LL to help him make a case(?)
post 24: dismisses one arguement as AtE, makes little sence to anoter <==reread needed


in short i think wing and KL are scum becuase two reasons.
A) KL never mentions Wing EVER except post 2 where he trusts him.
B) after attacking myk for most of the game he starts bouncing a little and sucking up to myk.

also: taking back what i said about JDGA as scum but he needs to post more.
KL: please respond to this because i need to hear why you are not scum.

[Kcdaspot]

EBWOP:

THANKS MOD

[KageLord]

WALL POST
My iso on KL

post 2: Trust's wingless out the gate
post 3: logic/fluff
post 4: bit fluffy
post 5: Trust zod.
post 6: thinks dench is scummy
post 7: whines, thinks zang and myk are scum
post 8: as fluffly as a good pillow
post 9: concedes to myk
post 10: trust's kit
post 11: fluff(?)
post 12: futher distrust in myk, suggest a web with my slot
post 13: tiff with myk, provides a suggestion
post 14: suggests a web: Kit, Zod, JDGA, LadyL's slot, and my slot
post 15: WIFOM maybe?
posts 16-18: sucks up to myk
post 19: lolscum, now reads LadyL's slot, myk as town.
post 20: retort's to zod
post 21: suggests LL, myk, KL, zod, kit
post 22: argues impossible for him to be scum
post 23: gets LL to help him make a case(?)
post 24: dismisses one arguement as AtE, makes little sence to anoter <==reread needed


in short i think wing and KL are scum becuase two reasons.
A) KL never mentions Wing EVER except post 2 where he trusts him.
B) after attacking myk for most of the game he starts bouncing a little and sucking up to myk.

also: taking back what i said about JDGA as scum but he needs to post more.
KL: please respond to this because i need to hear why you are not scum.

First of all, the descriptions of post 22 and 23 are just wrong. Read closer. >.>

Anyway, the reason I didn't mention Wingless is just that I had nothing to say about Wingless. I couldn't tell you two things he has done in this game (besides being part of every web somehow and that info came from you). Also, might be WIFOM, but again, why wouldn't I try to suggest Wingless in a web?

As for the myk situation, my read changed on him. Simple as that. I never sucked up to him. I said his plan was good, which (pretty much) objectively it was. My read on him changed mostly because he actually cared to try things. Scum in this game could just sit back and watch town exclude each other. Lurking obviously isn't really punished here. I realized my initial scum read on him was based more on OMGUS and disliking his playstyle than anything else, so there was no reason not to change the read.

[Kcdaspot]

If Kage is scum, his partner is JDGA/Wingless/Zang.

Really? I don't think scum would leave their partner out of their suggestions. Nothing to lose by putting them in.

Anyway, I'm not scum so I couldn't really say with much certainty what they would do in this game.

Also, given the result of Web 3,

it's impossible for me to be scum

with JDGA (or Zodiark).

For some reason I smell a wifom here... but i'll give you the one about 22, you were responding to someone calling you out on modding your posts

[Kcdaspot]

another EBWOP:
The reason i thought JDGA was scum was because of his predecessor's play, and that fact that he himself has only posted 4 times since he was replaced in.
Long story short:
@JDGA: POST MOAR!

[Kcdaspot]

As for the myk situation, my read changed on him. Simple as that. I never sucked up to him. I said his plan was good, which (pretty much) objectively it was. My read on him changed mostly because he actually cared to try things.

Scum in this game could just sit back and watch town exclude each other. Lurking obviously isn't really punished here.

I realized my initial scum read on him was based more on OMGUS and disliking his playstyle than anything else, so there was no reason not to change the read.

I would think that it would behoove scum to try and advertise trusting them proactively THEN sit back. I've also noted that about... lets say a little more than half? --of your posts were responses to suspicion.

[KageLord]

If Kage is scum, his partner is JDGA/Wingless/Zang.

Really? I don't think scum would leave their partner out of their suggestions. Nothing to lose by putting them in.

Anyway, I'm not scum so I couldn't really say with much certainty what they would do in this game.

Also, given the result of Web 3,

it's impossible for me to be scum

with JDGA (or Zodiark).

For some reason I smell a wifom here... but i'll give you the one about 22, you were responding to someone calling you out on modding your posts

Yeah... I did say it was WIFOMy.

But I didn't say it's impossible for me to be scum. I said it's impossible for me to be scum

with JDGA or Zodiark

. That's just a fact that anyone can know for sure. Cutting out the rest of the sentence is a misrep.

As for the myk situation, my read changed on him. Simple as that. I never sucked up to him. I said his plan was good, which (pretty much) objectively it was. My read on him changed mostly because he actually cared to try things.

Scum in this game could just sit back and watch town exclude each other. Lurking obviously isn't really punished here.

I realized my initial scum read on him was based more on OMGUS and disliking his playstyle than anything else, so there was no reason not to change the read.

I would think that it would behoove scum to try and advertise trusting them proactively THEN sit back. I've also noted that about... lets say a little more than half? --of your posts were responses to suspicion.

Well, when I'm being suspected so much and I know it's wrongfully, what do you think I should do? I've already given my reads and reasons for my top 2 town reads, so all that's left is for me to defend myself. I'd be happy enough with a web like: myk, LL, me, Kito, kcda

[Kcdaspot]

Okay then KL who's your town reads now at this stage?

[Kcdaspot]

EBWOP:

D'OH!

[Kcdaspot]

Also:

"Kc" is fine if you want to refer to me

[Kcdaspot]

i'm gonna ISO zod after thanksgiving... though after skimming i'm inclined to believe he's town...

as far as wingless and JDGA goes i have no qualms about leaving them out...

[Kcdaspot]

kay, since i've had my fill of turkey time for that iso on Zod:

post 1: out the gate questions JDGA'S slot.
post 2: gets clearifications on rules
post 3: trusts drench
post 4: questions setup of game, clarifies for another
post 5: says status of Web (web 2)
post 6: trusts KL, JDGA's slot. calls myk scum
post 7: thinks myk, kit are scum, tries to calm folks
post 8: fluffy. I LIKE COOKIES ZOD!!
post 9-10: puts down solid logic, clears JDGA's slot.
post 11: restates myk as scummy, split between LL's slot and kit's slot for other scum
post 12: V/LA
post 13: responds to KL(?), my slot. asks my slot why is he questioning him.
post 14: complains about state of game
post 15: discovers via logic that one or both of his orginal scumtells are false.
post 16: calls kit scum
post 17: puts down GREAT LOGIC about the game, suggests web: zod, LL, me, wing, JDGA/KL
post 18-19: responds to multiple posts, states some reasons why kit is scum.
post 20: WALL POST >:( : mainly responds to myk's arguements.
post 21: humors kit.
post 22: realizes that every post of his aimed at kit was supposed to be for wingless. fos's LL, kit.
post 23: blames LL and wing for collapse(?)
post 24: thinks KL is slightly scummy, tries to get ppeoples reads.
post 25: dismisses wing from future webs
post 26: responds to KL.
post 27: suggests web: myk, kit, me, zod, LL
post 28: another response to KL.
post 29: goes into depression about state of game

conclusion: flip-flops around from scummy to town and back early, then i read him as pro-town incarnate mainly because of post 17

KL: that eliminates one non-scum to be excluded from your web and since wingless we all agree IS scummy that in my mind leaves only jdga and you as the only other scum

[Kcdaspot]

ebwop: i think considering all that i've discovered, the web in post 27 is my ideal bet.

[mykonian]

I believe Zodiark is town. But for all the others I'd like to do a reread. Tomorrow I should have some time for that.

[JDGA]

Sorry for not posting as much, but exams 'n'all...
They're done now though. I don't really know what to say about my being excluded, other than that you had better be right about KL and wing being scum. If not, we've still got one last chance...
I say go with myk's web, even though I'm not scum. Besides, there -does- have to be one townie out in the end.

[Zodiark13]

Sorry for not posting as much, but exams 'n'all...
They're done now though. I don't really know what to say about my being excluded, other than that you had better be right about KL and wing being scum. If not, we've still got one last chance...
I say go with myk's web, even though I'm not scum. Besides, there -does- have to be one townie out in the end.

As soon as the Webs of Trust collapse for the fourth time, the Viruses win.

[mykonian]

Lets keep JDGA out, shall we?

[JDGA]

Uh...
Whoops.
Epic fail on my part.
I'd been watching the game before I replaced in, but I somehow got the misconception that the limit was five phases. I didn't recheck the rules when I replaced in, and... yeah.
Sorry.

[Kcdaspot]

right well I hope that Kit comes back or the replacement for s/he comes in so this game might have a end.

[Kcdaspot]

EBWOP (gee there's been alot of these lately huh?):

I meant Him/her