Newbie 2038: Elements [Game Over]

[Mizzytastic]

I'd like more detail on why you thought 72 was Spangled/cyl's partner.

Also curious if you have any thoughts as to why FF meta dived you and the conclusions she came to.

[Egix96]

I'd like more detail on why you thought 72 was Spangled/cyl's partner.

Also curious if you have any thoughts as to why FF meta dived you and the conclusions she came to.

I just thought that they were the two scummiest slots overall.

I imagine that ffery was probably planning to cover everyone. Might have been going in alphabetical order?
Personally I don't consider the conclusion to have much relevance; it could easily have just been her natural feelings.

[Spangled]

As for the rest of your post... I wouldn't expect anything less than you defending your actions. Thankfully, I don't have to convince you that you are scum, I have to convince the others. Most of them laid out reasons that your slot is scummy.

I'm just trying to remind them of those reads and add to the narrative.

Er... isn't that what scum would be doing though?

I just figured that my understanding of the word ‘narrative’ and safebet’s weren’t quite the same.

[MURDERCAT]

I imagine that ffery was probably planning to cover everyone. Might have been going in alphabetical order?

I don't think so, seemed to be focused on you

[Umlaut]

Vote Count 4.3

Bromine, ₃₅Be

— reactive nonmetal, standard atomic weight 79.90, group 17, period 4, p-block

Spangled

(2): safebet222, Egix96

Egix96

(1): MURDERCAT

Not voting

(2): Mizzytastic, Spangled

With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-12-03 14:32:00)

[safebet222]

I skimmed FF's iso, Mizzy. I don't quite see where FF was ready to vote Spangled, or where FF particularly pushed for a Spangled elim... She played her scum reads pretty close to her vest. You know, "Welcome to Fferyland."

Nevermind Mizzy, I found it. Post 1100. I suppose I didn't pay much attention to 72 when he was so angry at getting wagoned. I'll have to reread that whole part again.

I reread the section from 1100 on and I am trying to figure out whether the following could be scum theater or not...

Up past midnight. :/

But, 72 metadive done.

72offsuit

Town
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=84499 (Newbie)
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=84118 (Newbie)
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=84085 (Newbie)
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=84399 (Newbie)
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=83106 (Newbie)

Scum
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=83923 (Newbie)
viewtopic.php?t=82578 (Mini Normal - replaced out early day 2)

The two scum game ISOs were different. One is a Newbie game and the other is a Mini Normal (13 players) which is probably the source of the differences.

In the Newbie scum game there were far fewer text speak type abbreviations compared to here. Sentences were longer, and few abbreviations. And there was much less punch in the word choices. The posts come off less aggressive sounding than his town Newbie games. As he was under pressure his posts got shorter and shorter.

In the Mini Normal 72 replaced out, but was in the game long enough to make > 50 posts. Many of the posts were very long. He did some cursory meta research on a player, something didn't notice in his newbie games. He did detailed reads lists and detailed ISOs. There were lots of quotewalls, and fewer interactive posts. Very few posts that looked like phoneposting.

Town Newbie games vary somewhat. Sometimes he's very playful in RVS phase. Sometimes he steps up into the SE role and explains theory, links the wiki, etc. I think he feels more comfortable phone posting in town games (or his schedule varies over time). He seems to start games with the assumption that nobody is town, and lets players prove themselves, or not. This leads to a lot of false positives.

I didn't notice a lengthy 1v1 like he had with JDye, so I didn't see the same degree of aggravated looking posts as here. He bounces around from scumread to scumread and back. Wagon building looks pragmatic.

So yeah, this looks like Town 72

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ehhhhh I see what you’re saying, especially on shorter posts under pressure and less phone-posting as scum, but two scum games hardly makes a scum meta, and scum can emulate their townplay; this could be the scum game where 72 Gets Really Good.

And I’ve been duped by scum (well, one scum) emulating their townplay whose town metas are basically ‘be aggressive and illogical’, and I was completely fooled up until they repped out, and even then I didn’t think that they were scum, in fact I held them as a very strong townread the whole game, until wiser heads prevailed and I was convinced by someone else who I townread even more; until nearing the very end. I mean obviously I’m not townreading 72 here, but you see what I’m saying here?

Anyway, I just don’t think this is conclusive.

I see what you're saying but it's not terribly convincing to me.

Town meta is the baseline. Scum meta differentiates. It wasn't nearly conclusive enough for my tastes, but I've accurately read players for whom I had only town meta before.

I also don't like to look at games from too far back in time. Players learn, evolve, and settle into their playstyles. Recent games are better predictors than earlier ones.

To be sure I understand, though. You agree his play here doesn't look a lot like his two scum games, but you think his play here should be within his scum range?

I think there's a good possibility that it is. Anyone else have an opinion?

[MURDERCAT]

Here's what I think are the most telling interactions:
- hunter push on chess moves (28, 48, 88, 119)
- spangled slot missing from (689)
- ff does an egix meta dive (1038)
- cylstar early push on chess moves (50, 104)
- Egix never pushing chess moves/ff throughout the game
- safebet generally towntelling like all game (1305, 1377, 1653)
- catch up post from spangled is maybe kind IIOA? And maybe the 72 vote is too convenient? (600, 611)
- Hesitance to vote ff from spangled? (875)
- Spangled reaction to 72 and ff claim (1517, 1532, 1544)

[MURDERCAT]

There is nothing in those posts that suggests to me that it couldn't be scum theater.

[MURDERCAT]

Also my attempt at trying to get a read on egix was unsuccessful lol
UNVOTE:

[Mizzytastic]

Even if Spangled is scum it doesn't feel specifically like theatre to me beyond the fact that scum always have to fake some part of their interactions.

Ff is expressing her scum intent there, town reading and keeping alive controversial town has definite strategic benefits. Spangled's interaction there doesn't really have that same feel of intent. There's nothing townie about it either, it's just a non committal stance

[MURDERCAT]

I am tempted to just hammer spangled.

[Mizzytastic]

if nothing else, you are making me feel better about Safebet. I've townread him pretty much all game but I was just kinda worried about how he fit in to some situations with ff scum

I'm kinda tempted to just go with Spangled cos we've all scum read that slot at some point, and Egix not feeling like he needed to manufacture an answer to try and satisfy me despite the fact if I voted there I doubt Spangled is self voting

[Mizzytastic]

If you do I'm not going to complain

[Mizzytastic]

I guess we should wait until he is around?

[MURDERCAT]

I guess we should wait until he is around?

Yeah ok. Intent to hammer you spangled. Please leave your last will and testament to Mizzy if you are town.

[Spangled]

There are, uh, no last wills and testaments in Newbies, or really anywhere outside of Town of Salem... right?
I’m sorry I haven’t been more helpful this game, but I’m resigned to dying; I just haven’t efforted, which, generally, means death, sooner or later.
I was going to suggest someone meta me, as a sort of last-throw kind of thing — although that sounds like it’s a gambit scum!me is executing, but I’m sure you get what I mean — but this game I’ve been pretty far off my town meta — and what little scum meta I have, for that matter — anyway.

I’m sorry, too, that I haven’t really invested. If I’d been around for the pivotal events, expressed my thoughts before and afterwards, I like to think I would have bled town. But! that’s not how it went. Anyway.

It’s probably Egix, unless safebet’s been playing an exceedingly smooth game, but at the same time safebet’s tone has sometimes pinged me (but do I think that because he’s pushed for my death?), and I think Egix has expressed some townie thoughts. I really just don’t know. I think some of the towntells put forward by MC for safebet’s could be interpreted as being LAMIST, really, but I don’t know. Sorry, I’m probably not helping you here Mizzy. I just don’t know.

[Spangled]

oh I missed your birthday MC happy belated birthday

[Spangled]

although I mean you might as well meta me; we’ve got time

[Spangled]

I’ve tried to go back over the game, but I’m more confused than before, not less.
Just safebet’s tone is occasionally bad, at least to me, but he’s made good points, and been willing to push people and confront others, etc. usw.
Egix I feel has also made some good points, but he certainly hasn’t been super townie anywhere.

[MURDERCAT]

Sorry if you are town spangled!

VOTE: Spangled

Good luck mizzy!

Egix/safebet you should reconsider Mizzy tomorrow just to be safe.

[Umlaut]

Vote Count 4.4 (final)

Krypton, ₃₆Kr

— noble gas, standard atomic weight 83.80, group 18, period 4, p-block

Spangled

(3): safebet222, Egix96, MURDERCAT

Not voting

(2): Mizzytastic, Spangled

With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to eliminate.

[Umlaut]

Spangled has been eliminated. He was a

Vanilla Townie

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Night 4

Everyone sleep tight!
Day will dawn in (expired on 2020-12-04 14:35:00).
(If all living players PM me their consent, I will end the night early.)

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