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Post Post #0 (ISO) » Mon Mar 11, 2024 1:09 pm

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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Mon Mar 11, 2024 1:42 pm

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You incompetents, you dimwitted lumbering sheep, muttering through the morass. Screw your misplaced meta, your transitory feelings; Here you will know true scrutiny!
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Mon Mar 11, 2024 1:54 pm

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Behold The Playerlist, equal parts stocked with bullshitters and malevolent evils.

Gimli
Von Payne (Black/Doctor Drew hydra)
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Catgirl Chipotle (Alisae/MariaR hydra)
Silver Ravens (GuyInFreezer/Dunnstral hydra)
Sunflower (fireisredsir/JupiterXV hydra)
Ydrasse

Of these.

I have read posts / seen arguments of Von Payne, Prism, and Silver Ravens that have stuck me as town in places. Nothing should ever be considered surefire one way or the other but I will likely focus on these less. Originally my scumreads were DE, Kiri, Gimli and I'll be reading past page 10 to see if that holds up. I will likely also take a harder look at Catgirl Chipotle and Aureal.
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:01 pm

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Love it when comp crashes in the middle of a long wall post. Guess I'll save in piece meal T_T.

When Isoing Von Payne / Gimli together I get a very clear picture of Black being town. She responds well to the often harsh and overly critically amplified points that Gimli tosses her way. These being the speculations about her entrance which was not engaged in the act of immediately scum hunting, responding to the suggestion that Black implied Gilmi / DE was or could be a S/S pairing, and the entirety of the discussions surrounding whether Gimli did or did not invoke meta when reading/voting Black (Answer: a rose by any other name... : it's meta). I could delve into the particulars of these arguments between the two of them if needed but the reader will find Black coming out ahead here. This does not surpass possible growing pains endemic to poking and prodding for a read on Gimli's part and the first part of 160 would suggest the same even if clearly this issue reignited after. Much more importantly for the both of them are the arguments in relation to DE.
In post 160, Gimli wrote: I can see why I'm ticking so hard as town to DE as I'm doing something very different this game
This is horrific. Black points out much the same in posts 165 and 186. At the time of the read by Gimli's own admission in 174 there is no reason to support it, especially if as Gimli claims that DE has had extensive experience with him so doing something differently from one game to the next shouldn't be surprising and if Gimli has no set meta then there isn't anything DE should be able to believe is behaviorally pertinent in establishing an oracle like read. (There never should be anyway, Meta is Trash). Similarly, Gimli's own town read of DE came immediately afterwards and my doubt is high that #174 would be the reason at that time for Gimli.

Sidenote: I find Sunflower's contemporary 175 read fake. There is no reason to stick with a town read if there is both a good scum and town explanation for DE's behavior. In the single game I have played with him I have also seen DE be a more thoughtful and analytical player so "it feels his brain works this way" strikes me as handwavy to couch a subpar unjustified read.
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:10 pm

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Will edit in that #136 is a shitty post maybe.
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Mon Mar 11, 2024 7:38 pm

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Let's analyze more Gimli posts.

Is DE bleeding town? No. We will get to that. Or maybe he is but I doubt it. Haven't read all that crap.

340 is a nothing readlist. 344: First again a rather harsh view towards SRs posting. It's entirely natural to see a logical contradiction and if unresolved assume a less than towny motive for it. Especially when Gimli was the one pressing Black on her meta comment in the first place and couldn't let it go. So it could be connected to the intricate process of forming or faking reads. 2nd half of this post is basically gaslighting. Soul reads founded on nothing are scummy. And it isn't according to DE founded on nothing, It's Meta somehow, but really, its nothing and that's the point of calling attention to it.

351: From Gimli's perspective the Klick read makes sense. Will read Aureal and edit this but I forgot she was a player at one point.

379: Noting that Black never answered this akaik, but this is WIFOM. I believe we have been told that DE can be this confident as scum too. As for scum strategy, what if all the scum blatantly and absurdly townread each other over nothing? Never could happen right? that kind of thing could easily fuck with people's minds. I've experienced it (we as scum did did lose though). The point is that we cannot know it and speculation is WIFOMy. Also you had just said Klick is town because DE is hard to elim now so... the strategy seems to be working if that was it!

some posts about but mechanics; sure. It is understandable to be worried about a shit result if slide actually made it to the top 3 (despite what we actually got), and people's reasons for it were bonkers, but its possible they didn't understand rule 8 well at the time. On that note will say that post tally the fact that Car got 5 and sheep 8 might be an indication of scum influence. Will have to count votes.

579: Agree with SR read, and the reasons why. Had the same feeling wrt their early game mech talk and after reviewing the other two posts they can thinly be called town observations. On me my content is diametrically opposed to your own reads wondering how much that factored in instead of being overly critical. Entering some kind of null-scum into lets flip em read is jarring to me.

Aureal and Ali/MariaR I have to read more carefully. Agree with Hu Tao. Will edit

606: Turn around on Prism is pleasantly surprising. and good.

The next paragraph is something that is fundamentally wrong. I wonder if you actually believe it, I'm starting to believe that you do. There have been games I've played where stuff like that happens. "I'm town, are you town?" "Yeah I'm town lets rock!". Even for some reason it is true in this game, it is not indicative of being something that more often happens between town than between town and scum or scum and scum than probability would dictate. There isn't anything special going on between you and Kiri. And DE has already said that the reason he locked you as town was due to Meta. Now is what DE said too much for a scum player to go on a limb with? Maybe. I don't think I'd ever do that. But would a chaos prone guy without inhibitions do it as scum? completely possible.

Need to read CC and edit.
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Mon Mar 11, 2024 7:51 pm

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I can't risk putting out a content post tonight. I work slow so will need more time to get everything out.
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Mon Mar 11, 2024 7:51 pm

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did that to dodge prods if that works
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2024 12:36 am

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Mafia ruins lives. I will take a careful look at FE now
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2024 12:51 am

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Reading DE again. As of 144 Gimli is both solving and pocketing Kiri, but not pocketing DE. This continues to be weak reasoning. If you are pocketing then by definition you are not solving. As this is being specifically applied to Kiri here we have to believe that DE formulated his read purely from Gimli's interaction with himself. Which again defies believability. It also incidently runs counter to Gimli asserting that DE is making the soul based on the questioning of Kiri.
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2024 12:55 am

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All of 150 is being backed up by a single question to Kiri "what do you think of DE"
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2024 1:01 am

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VP scum read not fleshed out. Klick vote for basically the same thing he did last game where it was called town for equally bad reasons.
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2024 1:03 am

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283, shouldn't do meta reads this game. Right. That's scummy af
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2024 1:06 am

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I haven't said anything since 301 but I later become a easy vote for DE. I know I'm a soft target so it's scummy
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2024 1:15 am

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Oh 313 comes from scum. Cool.
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2024 1:16 am

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At least that's one useful thing I got out of this
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2024 1:18 am

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Reaction at klicks reads because he crossed out VP and SR?
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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2024 1:22 am

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Actually DE coming to the conclusion that fire is town from that posts reeks too
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:16 pm

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Will I ever finish this? shall see. Obviously Klick quite towny will have to assume Gimli is too.
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:16 pm

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In post 13, ActionDan wrote: I haven't said anything since 301 but I later become a easy vote for DE. I know I'm a soft target so it's scummy
reading more of DE makes this plausible
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:26 pm

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My mind is a bit clearer than yesterday.

despite saying it sucks the first half of 530 comes across as towny.
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:55 pm

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Kirigiri big town
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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:55 pm

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so nice to read only a couple posts. so so so so so so so so so nice
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:56 pm

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I think I'll iso sunflower and made a content post if I still think they are scum, as I'm pretty much giving up my scum read of DE.
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Post Post #24 (ISO) » Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:22 pm

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