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I've never played in real life. I'm not a very nice in person, so I don't have enough friends. I prefer forum mafia games as people actually tend to discuss things and you have more time to think.
Rule wise, games with no lynch are much more interesting. It does often result in sudden bandwagons when the deadline approaches though. But a bandwagon is better than a no lynch.-
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...what?RPG*Twilight wrote: This strikes me as odd. I think what his question is referring to is would a majority of you be willing to do a no-lynch. I dont see how there would be some for a no-lynch and THEN go do bandwagoning. It's really an all-or-nothing kind of deal, the no-lynch. It kind of seems like either A) you're indifferent about it. or B) You dont want to look like you support the no-lynch, but you do. I cant tell. But that seems to be a pretty ambiguous statement. Could you clarify? Especially when you say "A bandwagon is better than a no lynch." Because we're talking about the vote, not the bandwagon. It just seems a bit odd.
I was saying that from the games i've seen with the no lynch rule, when the deadline approaches people tend to bandwagon to quickly get a lynch, and that, in my opinion, a deadline bandwagon is better than a no lynch.
I like games with the no lynch rule, because they are more interesting in my opinion. However, a no lynch should be avoided under all circumstances.
Understand now? Games with 'no lynch' rule = good. Allowing no lynch to occur = bad.-
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*looks at watch*
Hmm, looks like it is about time for random accusation!
RPG Twilight
From the very beginning (and yes, we are still at the beginning), twilight has been questioning a lot of things. Too many things, in my opinion. I understand that the point of the game is to question things, but some of these questions were a stretch. His posts are thick with paranoia for this stage of the game. He could be trying a little too hard to appear town.
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I've never played a game with the random voting, but i can understand why questions would be a better (and more interesting) idea. Even so, it would be a good tactic to appear friendly and get to know the town's mindset a bit.
He asks about the everyone's opinion on allowing a no lynch, but does not give his own until everyone else has given thiers. Then he goes out of his way to explain why a no lynch may be feasible.
He establishes that he is scatterbrained and doesn't have the best memory. A good excuse for a mistake later in the game.
He questions twilight's use of the word agenda, as if he thought twilight was accusing him.
He first advocates lynching lurkers as a policy, and then waters it down a bit with 'if i believe someone to be scum then they're lynch candidate #1'.
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My favorite role is serial killer, because there is nothing more awesome than a lone serial killer winning the game.tracker wrote: What is your favorite role and why?
Cultists. I would just hate to have my role changed mid game.What is your least favorite role and why?
And if we are still doing this question thing, then my question to everyone is: Who is theleastsuspicious player so far?-
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Yeah, I had that thought as soon as I hit submit.RPG*Twilight wrote: The bolded part: Does that not sound paranoid to anyone else?
I'm gonna use the fact that I am a newbie as an excuse on this one.imkingdavid wrote: I am choosing not to answer this for the following reason...
On one hand, we have little to go on so it doesn't hurt to have something to discuss. On the other, I think some of the questions are pointless and it is pretty much all he has been doing all game. But I want to wait for the awol players to post a bit before we start casting votes.imkingdavid wrote: @all: what do you guys think about tracker's continuous questioning? Do you guys see it as him trying to spark discussion or just trying to make it look like he's participating?
And a question about the forums. On other forums there is a way to view all posts by a particular person in a certain topic. Is that possible here, or do we have to do it manually?-
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I've not posted anything substantial in a while, so I will seek to change that now.
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RPG wrote: "Some of these questions were a stretch" Really? where? And how?CommieX wrote:Could you give examples?
I found it hard to believe that RPG could not understand what I was saying there, and it seemed like an attempt to twist my words. However, I've decided to give him the benefit of doubt on this one.RPG wrote:
This strikes me as odd. I think what his question is referring to is would a majority of you be willing to do a no-lynch. I dont see how there would be some for a no-lynch and THEN go do bandwagoning. It's really an all-or-nothing kind of deal, the no-lynch. It kind of seems like either A) you're indifferent about it. or B) You dont want to look like you support the no-lynch, but you do. I cant tell. But that seems to be a pretty ambiguous statement. Could you clarify? Especially when you say "A bandwagon is better than a no lynch." Because we're talking about the vote, not the bandwagon. It just seems a bit odd.Me wrote: Rule wise, games with no lynch are much more interesting. It does often result in sudden bandwagons when the deadline approaches though. But a bandwagon is better than a no lynch.
Yes, what Tracker said here is a bit odd. But I don't get the 'If you are preferring to lynch a lurker, isnt that a case, that he's lurking?' part. I see what RPG is saying but... what does that matter? The important part isRPG wrote:
That bolded part of the quote strikes me as odd. "Anybody" is a vast generalization of... well, everybody. That would include lurkers. If you are preferring to lynch a lurker, isnt that a case, that he's lurking? I just find this a bit contradictory. Sounds like your just going to use any old reason in the book to get someone lynched.Tracker wrote: [...] In short, if I believe you to be scum, I'll do my best to get you lynched, if I don't know, or don't agree with the case on anybody, I would prefer to lynch a lurker.
that Tracker said he would lynch a lurker if he didn't agree with a case.
And while we are on the subject of RPG:
Before this, Tracker had already stated that more than 'findings', he had more of a collection of his thoughts on things he found interesting. In essence, Tracker had already answered the question and offered to show his findings despite this if he received two more requests.RPG wrote: Why would you hold out findings if your town?
And one more thing, a bit off topic
If you want someone to form a prejudice against you right off the bat, that is a good way to go about it.RPG wrote: You did read the sentence before that, right?
As for the others
Canadaseems awfully quick to jump on bandwagons, and only has a few posts with any substance. Though on the latter I can't speak too much as I am probably in the same position.
I did not like how quickimkingdavidwas to cast votes for RPG and then Toon Fighter. He also completely forgot that he voted for Toon Fighter, and later chose to reinstate this vote even though he didn't even remember it previously.
Toon Fighteronly has 4 posts, and spends one jumping on the Tracker bandwagon and another pointing out that he has no findings of his own.
I don't really have much onPaltryExcuse. At one point RPG accuses him of trying to defendsomeone, and PaltryExcuse decides that that someone is Tracker. I might be remembering incorrectly on this one. He investigates RPG's meta, and upon presenting his findings imkingdavid immediately retracts his vote.
Not much onNeo-con Johneither. But one thing is confusing me, though I might be misunderstanding:
To which Neo-con John responds:RPG wrote: didn't even talk to my scum-buddy (who got killed in D1, which I wasn't entirely active on.) Which, if you'll see, is exactly how I'm not playing now.
Maybe i'm missing something but wouldn't the fact that RPG says he is playing completely different from his last game imply that he HAD talked to his scumbuddy rather than had not?Neo-con Johnathan wrote: (1)RPG is scum;
(2)RPG's scumpartner is one of the people he has not interacted with yet.
CommieXmakes alot of comments that I agree with, however I think his vote on Tracker was a bit early, especially since Tracker said he'd post his findings if enough people requesting them.
As forTracker, his posts have already been gone over by everybody. I realize that he injured his hand, but he has yet to post the findings that everyone has asked for.
In this and my previous post, I've bolded names so that they stand out, not because the player is particularly suspicious.-
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Honestly, I don't think much of it at all. I was ready to hammer tracker until 1, I though I was being replaced and then 2, IKD posted. I'll have to look over Neo-Con John's posts and the case against him again.PaltryExcuse wrote:@Gayle: What are your thoughts on the tracker vs. NCJ situation? Is there someone else who you are suspicious of? Any questions are clarifications that need to be made?-
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I mean I was a going to hammer tracker, but IKD suggested that we still have a week and so there is no reason to rush it. I don't think much of the case against NCJ, and am still leaning towards lynching tracker.PaltryExcuse wrote: I'm confused:
A) If you don't think much of it, why were you ready to hammer someone?
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RPG, once again your questions bewilder me. The post I am referring to is 156 by IKD
I wanted to hammer tracker. tracker did another one of his 'will post later' posts, so I waited. When I checked the thread again I saw that I was being replaced, and wondered if my vote would even count and sent a pm to Elmo. After that was cleared up, I checked the thread and IKD had posted the above, and I couldn't exactly just hammer after what he posted, could I?IKD wrote: It appears to me as if, assuming he is scum and tracker is town, he put tracker at L-1 in hopes that someone would quick hammer and he would escape suspicion until Day 2. But we still have a good amount of time until deadline and discussion is still going.-
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Yeah, I'm just saying it didn't seem like a good idea to hammer immediately after someone points out we still have plenty of time.imkingdavid wrote: You're free to do what you want. If you feel that it's a good time to hammer, do so. I was just pointing out the amount of time we had left.
At that time, I didn't think of anyone as outright scum, but I had more confidence in tracker being scum than anyone else, he was one away from lynch, and truthfully, I wanted the day to end. I just don't get tracker in general, and much of what he says doesn't make any sense to me. It was probably based more on feeling rather than fact.PaltryExcuse wrote: Why did you want to hammer tracker, Gayle? The last time I saw reasons from you to lynch tracker was very early in the day.
That all said, I would not vote for tracker now. Re-reading the last two pages and tracker's posts, my suspicions have changed.-
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IKD wrote:What changed between 166 to 172? You seem to be in support for a tracker lynch but suddenly your suspicions have changed.
I was looking forward to RPG calling me out on that.That all said, I would not vote for tracker now. Re-reading the last two pages and tracker's posts, my suspicions have changed.
Yes, that is right. Part of the reason I did not lynch is because I thought it would look suspicious. Am I wrong for not wanting to seem suspicious? The other part being that you suggested hammering might not be a good idea, so I didn't.IKD wrote: [...] I don't want to draw attention to myself by ending after someone points out that it might not be beneficial to do so
IKD wrote:This post sounds like a lot of "I don't really care much about who gets lynched,
Which means I was going to vote for tracker rather than anyone else.I didn't think of anyone as outright scum, but I had more confidence in tracker being scum than anyone else
The people I find most suspect are yourself, PE, and ncj. Yes, two of the three have questioned me recently.IKD wrote:Who have they changed to, then, and would you like to share?
By recent behavior do you mean the part where I've actually been responding to questions and posting instead of lurking? I've been answering honestly, that's all.IKD wrote:I'm not liking this recent behavior at all. FoS: Gayle-
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No, this has nothing to do with suspicions, I just thought you'd out point the contradiction. It doesn't change the fact that I think you are town.RPG*Twilight wrote:
What? I'm not even in your suspect list, yet you wanted me to answer? [...]Gayle wrote:
I was looking forward to RPG calling me out on that.
Its more of what other people said. I'll give a more detailed reply to your post (and PE's posts) later in the day, as I'm short on time right now.RPG wrote: What did he say? What made your suspicions change?-
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Things turned out alot differently than I thought saturday, and as a result I'll be busy until tuesday night, and by then someone will have likely been bandwagoned.
Quickly, I am going to go ahead and vote for NCJ. While I suspect PE and IKD, I can't justify voting for them over NCJ, and at the very least they've actually been posting.
I realize this is a bad time to go V/LA, especially since I promised a post, so I won't fault town for whatever they decide.
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Now, keep in mind this post is based just on a quick review.
The people who voted for NCJ were PaltryExcuse, tracker,imkingdavid,myself, and RPG. RPG is (was) confirmed town. Tracker is likely town. PaltryExcuse started the wagon on NCJ, so he is likely town. I happen to know that I am town. And for now I suspect that IKD is town.
Note that of the people that voted for tracker, only RPG, the confirmed townie, voted for NCJ.
In my mind, the people we should focus on first are CommieX, Canada, and Toon Fighter.
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Exactly right. There is not much more to add to that.PE wrote:@Canada: Right now I'm finding you mightily suspicious. You didn't seem to take a clear side in any direction at any point in Day 1. This could be interpreted as scum waiting to put their vote on the right person at the right time. We have not seen any real scumhunting from you. I'm curious as to your suspicions the most right now as wishy-washy thinking is troublesome.
CommieX
Though he only has 10 posts, I think his scumhunting has more substance than Toon Fighter, who has 19. Too bad he will likely be replaced.
Toon Fighter
He seems to be scumhunting, but there is not a lot of substance. He has voted for CommieX based on his 'earlier suspicions', but a quick glance back reveals that his earlier suspicions are a 'hunch'. I don't understand why he would vote for CommieX over Canada.
As far as suspisciousness (firefox says its not a word) goes Toon Fighter = Canada > CommieX (IMHO).
VOTE: Toon Fighter-
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Anything can be a reason for suspicion. Voting for so many different people can be found suspicious. Especially when you do such a thing as forget who you voted for.imkingdavid wrote: Unless I missed anything. Having 3 different votes and 2 different FoS's by page 8 is hardly a reason for suspicion.
Please tell me exactly what you are suspicious of that I have yet to addressed.IKD wrote: Anyway, at this point, I'm suspicious of Gayle, as I stated before the end of day 1, and still for the same reasons. Also, Canada and CommieX need to post or be replaced. It's been a while since we've heard from either of them, and it's not helpful at all to have absent players in a game with only (now) 7 people.-
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PaltryExcuse wrote:What made you suspect that IKD was town? At the end of the day, I, NCJ and IKD were your top suspects.
What changed between day 1 and 2 is that we have confirmed town and confirmed scum. As simple as it might sound, IKD voted for NCJ when he only had two votes. If I think the people who voted for NCJ are likely town, it only makes sense to focus on the others.IKD wrote:-Now it's day 2 and you immediately drop all suspicions of the previous day (namely on myself and PE), since "PE started the wagon on NCJ" and "for now I suspect that IKD is town".
I was saying that it is ridiculous to just outright say that something isn't suspicious or 'hardly a reason for suspicion'.IKD wrote:I'm just saying that I don't feel that I have been changing suspects that often in relation to other people, nor do I feel that I have changed suspects more often than is acceptable. If you feel different, so be it.
No, I was commenting on the 'hardly a reason for suspicion' as I say above. I will say this though, changing suspicions a lot is different from changing votes alot.IKD wrote:And you accuse me of changing suspicions a lot?
Here's the thing. I don't want to get lynched. Getting nk'd is a better way to lose than getting lynched. And as I've said before, IIKD wrote:You seemed overeager to stay on everyone else's good side (you changed your mind on hammering simply because I commented on how it might not be a good idea. I still feel that if you felt strongly enough to hammer before I posted, you should have felt strongly enough after I posted. I was simply trying to make sure people knew how much time was left.)didn'tfeel strongly enough.
You are correct in that I never stated the why, and I am not about to make a detailed post now either, as I think it is now irrelevant. I'd like to point out that changing suspicions is 'hardly a reason for suspicion'.IKD wrote:Your suspicions on tracker flip flopped from one post to the next. You said who they changed to (myself, PE and ncj), but I don't see where you said why or how you changed your suspicions so quickly.
tracker wrote:reread IKDs posts
With IKDs post count and trackers 'review' speed, this could take some time.
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That is why you defended him 'softly' and did that whole 'scum partner' post; so that you could deny defending him and point out that you looked for his scum partner if you came to be suspect.Toon Fighter wrote: Also, even if you interpret that post as me defending NCJ, why would I do that if I knew he was scum? I would know that, if he were lynched, he would be outed, and I would be looking suspicious if I defended him.
That depends. If Toon Fighter, yourself, or CommieX are scum, then we have a good chance of winning. If IKD or PE are scum, I think we are screwed. If tracker is scum, who knows? Maybe that will change though, since you have joined and we are likely to get another replacement.Hercule Poirot wrote: How good do you think our odds of winning this game are?-
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For the entire game, the people who have lead the discussion were RPG, IKD, and lately PE. Everyone else just sort of either went along with them or defended themselves. RPG got nk'd, and that leaves PE and IKD. If someone is going to be bandwagoned, I doubt it will be either of those two unless they really slip up or you and commiex's replacement make a big difference. The rest of us have all had much stronger cases presented against us than anything against those two.Hercule Poirot wrote:Why would we be screwed if IKD or PE are scum?
The last time I read a Sherlock Holmes story was so long ago that my answer might as well be no.HP wrote:Everyone, have you read the Sherlock Holmes canon?
Yes, this is important. Believe me, it could turn the game around depending on your answer. I know how random this sounds, but this will be important later. I'm not even joking.-
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Unless we don't have a doctor.This game is running the F11 setup, which chooses randomly between these four variations:
* 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Sane Cop, 1 Doctor, 5 Vanilla Townies
* 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 7 Vanilla Townies
* 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Cop, 6 Vanilla Townies
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I don't know about that one. Why is it a scumtell to congratulate town on finding mafia? I probably would have done the same thing if I was the one who replaced into the game.PaltryExcuse wrote: C) In your first post you congratulate the town on finding scum, a serious newbie scum tell.Hercule Poirot wrote:Impressive, catching a scum on the very first day.-
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tracker wrote: Something is striking a cord with me on here but I can't find anything that would be the cause of it.
Can tracker join the wishy washy club?tracker wrote: IKD's posts are radiating something and I determine what or anything concrete
Nothing suspicious. Just thought I'd point that out.TF wrote:PaltryExcuse,tracker, imkingdavid, Gayle, RPG*Twilight (the players who voted for NCJ) are likely innocent, as theycould have voted for tracker(who was also at L-1/L-2 for a lot of time). We even got confirmation on RPG, after his death.
As for actual content in this post... well... I'm gonna jump bandwagons.
VOTE: Hercule Poirot
I went reading in the other newbie games and noticed that fancy area tag. Thought I'd try it out.
For a moment I thought tracker wasTracker wrote:I am going to go in about 30 minutes, have fencing practice todayalsogoing fencing and wondered when it became so popular.-
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Er... you want to go into more detail?SirPent wrote:Tracker: I want to believe he is town, but something is just giving me a scum alarm in my brain right now.... too be watched
Gayle: Veryyyyyyyy Scum.. I put my 5 dollars on him being one of the scum.
HP: TOWN... I don't see the case against him, the only bad thing is he is making a newbie mistake of role fishing.
IC: he is a town alligned player.
Paltry: Third Scum
RPG: Confirmed Town
Toon Fighter: Town
Who is IC?IC: he is a town alligned player.
WHATSirPent wrote: vote: Gayle-
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@SirPent: Have you actually read the thread?
@Toon Fighter:- You have 13 posts total, and you never really post unless someone addresses you directly.
- You jumped on the tracker bandwagon, and your reason for doing so was weak.
- PE points out that Canada never really contributed, but I think you are guilty of the same thing.
- You vote on CommieX either out of nowhere on a hunch, and don't respond to any questions about it.
- When no one went for CommieX and the focus shifted away from you, you reappear with a pointless 'he could be lurking' and an unvote.
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Well, so much for my case against Toon Fighter. I am Vanilla Town, which means this is a fakeclaim and you are mafia.SirPent wrote:Okay it's time to come out about this, I am your cop and I received the information that my replacee found Gayle to be scum last night.
unvote vote: Gayle
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As in, If I am confirmed scum fromSirPent wrote:
Why would you say this after you said your vanilla townie?Gayle wrote:@SirPent:This makes this a triple post, but If I'm confirmed scum, why did you vote for HE (whoever that is)?
That vote was meant to be HP to test my theory on who stays and who goes off the bandwagon.your perspective, why would you vote for anyone else? Why would you even be 'testing theories'?
Also, why this post?
SirPent wrote:Since, there is only one scum left if the cop has a guilty we have him tell us, and we lynch that person game over.
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Damn it, I'm sitting here hitting F5 but no one is here!
@SirPent: I really don't think you read the thread. You didn't know that everyone knew exactly how many mafia were left, and now you fakeclaim. If I'm lynched, the only defense you'll have on Day 3 is Insane Cop, but there is no insane cop in this game.
New post on preview!
Im talking about HP. Why would you put a townie at L-1 if you knew who was scum?Your not town, and I did this by putting HP at L-1 I wanted to see if anyone took the bate
An obvious lie. Elmo would have notified you of any results the second you joined the game.but then I finally got my results back from the mod on the night investigations for my repllacee and they were guilty for gayle, gayle Caught you!-
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Was I really so scummy during the game that people vote for me over SirPent's ridiculous logic and posts that make zero sense?Really?I'll tell you what. I'll go ahead and emo vote. There is no reason to waste time waiting for HP to reply. Either SirPent is mafia or a troll, and either way he should be lynched next.
VOTE: Gayle-
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When tracker postedPE wrote:@Gayle: Why did you self vote? There was nothing to gain by that.
andI find SirPent more scummy than Gaylestillvoted me, I just got really annoyed. And then I thought 'there is no way anybody but tracker would read SirPent's posts and believe he was a cop. When IKD voted me and said 'nobody hammer', I got even more annoyed and thought, 'If i'm going to be lynched, just hurry up and do it so I can join another game'. So to put it simply, I got annoyed. In hindsight, I shouldn't have done it, but I get annoyed at people easily.
If you are not mafia, congrats on getting a townie lynched, and another townie nk'd because you 'just didn't like' somebody. An excellent strategy sure to lead to a townie victory. I salute you, sir.I just didn't like gayle.-
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I was completely wrong the entire game. I don't think I questioned IKD even once. When I hammered myself, I was too focused on SirPent to even consider that IKD might be mafia. Also, it somehow eluded me that hammering myself would also cause another townie to be NK'd. Sorry 'bout that PE.
I wonder how the game would have turned out without the fakeclaim though.-
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Gayle Goon
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- Posts: 964
- Joined: November 2, 2009
Please don't. You are the only mod so far that I haven't quietly mumbled rude comments about. After being in your game, I become SHOCKED when other mods miss a vote. Seriously, don't change a single thing.Elmo wrote:I'll probably change how I do some things on the basis of this game. Any kind of detail will have to wait..
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