In post 19, fathom42 wrote:Noted.
Since we probably won't get that much discussion out of our histories with the game (still want to hear from you, Sampson!), I'd like to ask everyone about their opinion of bandwagoning. I've found that, while it can be useful getting past the random voting stage, its more productive to begin the game with conversation. Bandwagoning, imo, doesn't produce much content for the town to use when compared to good old fashioned questioning.
For example, what do folks think of the exchange me and Tierce just had? I'd say that its the most meaningful thing to happen in the game thus far. I understand that its the early game and that joking around will be rampant, but I'd prefer to take things seriously. Once again, content is important above all else.
Why so tense over one more vote?
Keep in mind this is an RVS, not an attack.
In post 59, syndromeofadown wrote:That's exactly my point. Go back and read the previous pages. I've made my opinion very clear. I have no feelings one way or another about who is scum at this point.
In post 58, Shiidaji wrote:No really, I'd like to hear it, because you're obviously a master at this game, able to weed out scum without batting an eyelash.
In post 62, Tierce wrote:I want to point out that we don't need to lynch anyone fast. If you're not talking about a lynch, what/where do we need to get fast? Discussion? That doesn't require Day 1 voting two days in. Seems to me you're hurrying a bit toward a lynch. Why? We want to lynch scum, and there's nothing wrong if we lynch them ten minutes before the deadline as long as we get it right.
In post 64, Workdawg wrote:Unfortunately, the rest of this conversation reverted back to junky theory discussion.
In post 65, Tierce wrote:In post 47, Shiidaji wrote:Theory discussion doesn't get town anywhere. There are other threads for such things, it generates a ton of 'fluff' that is irksome to sift through while all you get that is relevant to the game is... nil.
You post this, and then several hours later embark on a theory discussion? Not looking very townie there, Shii.
In post 64, Workdawg wrote:SOAD's vote for Shii smells of distancing. Notice how he votes, but then says it's not an attack? He wants to vote for Shii, but he doesn't want people to think he is scummy for doing it. This is scum mentality as they need to vote for someone, but if that person flips town, they will be scrutinized (everyone on the wagon will) and saying "I'm not attacking you" is a good one. (Really it's not, but for some reason people like to do that).
In post 82, haycorn wrote:In post 57, syndromeofadown wrote: If you cannot understand this, I question your grasp on this game.
In post 58, Shiidaji wrote:
Well then, ifyouapparently have a grasp on this game, do enlighten me as to what these 'facts' are derived from. No really, I'd like to hear it, because you're obviously a master at this game, able to weed out scum without batting an eyelash.
In post 61, syndromeofadown wrote:No.
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All I see here is theory argument and fighting about who plays the game better. At first, SOAD's "no" post really stood out to me. I'm not sure what the point of posting such a rude response would be other than to keep the debate going and raise the level of hostility, which to my inexperienced eyes seems scummy.[2]Upon what has to be my fifth re-read (yes, I really was keeping up with the post on my phone) I think I can see where that anger was coming from, as Shii was definitely attacking SOAD's skill as a player, but by the same token, SOAD questioned all our skills first.
As for inte, you should really stop giving newbies a bad name and start learning some social skills. I am actually hesitant to think of you as mafia, because it would mean you are really, REALLY bad at it (and yes, I did just do what I criticized SOAD and Shii for doing.) And also, since your new reply just popped up, go back and review the thread. Tierce is female, and I'm not sure I'd refer to her as "kind-hearted."
I suppose at this point I would be most inclined to VOTE: VOTE: syndromeofadown. Sorry.[3]
In post 91, fathom42 wrote:Personally, I think the Shii/SOAD thing was scummy from both sides. I don't approve of either of them resorting to personal attacks (i.e. "I question your grasp on this game," Shii's sarcasm, etc.). Either one of them could be baiting the other, trying to get them to post something reactionary. I truly hope that the rest of the game is more civil than what just went down, for its easy for scum to play the game when they have their targets angry.
In post 105, syndromeofadown wrote:Ugh, my intuition is really telling me a certain player is scum, but I don't want to put the spotlight on them just yet. For three reasons: one, I would come off hypocritical after all my speeches about day 1; two, my intuition could be wrong and I feel I should wait for when I have a better case against them, and three, I want to keep scum in the dark, make them second guess themselves and look for changes in behavior after posting this. I honestly don't know if I should even be posting this since it goes against every strategy I decided on coming into the game, but for now UnvotePS, what do you guys think the setup is? For now I'm feeling 2 mafia, 6 town, and a power role (doctor if I had to guess)
Tierce said...
In my opinion, appeals to emotion aren't scumtells. Shii says that mafia tends to play with their heart; I disagree. Emotional mafia may slip more easily (after all, they are the ones with things to hide) if riled, but they always have the option to sit back and think their posts through. Emotional, rapid posts tend to read town to me. Town doesn't need to worry so much what other players think.
Posts filled with questions to others, about others. This lets Shii slip quite comfortably under the radar. Further, the whole "what I did" on the first quote, and the later admission that there was intentional riling of SOAD's emotional levels, seems more than a bit odd to me. It feels like Shii is/wants control of the game and what answers and reactions pop up. Who has enough information to do so? Scum. Notice how the only actual read we have from Shii is SOAD, but it's accompanied by questions about haycorn and inte.
In post 127, Cav wrote:Shii: generally town, but his defence of SOADs actions strikes me as odd. A player who reacts passionately isn't scum because they're more invested... wha? I don't follow this logic at all. Null.
Cav posted...
Why weigh in on this? Why not let SOAD answer Haycorn’s points?
Your #117 chastises SOAD for PR fishing but you dismissed it quickly. Also in that post [...]
Admittedly this is to defend yourself against fathom, but are you really arguing that because you too got heated we shouldn’t think you or him scummy? I don’t buy it, but that’s just me.
My null on you comes from the fact that for the most part I like your play, but the way you keep returning to the you vs.SOAD thing bugs me, especially the way you’re jumping in to argue his side, WHILE voting for him.
In post 135, Tierce wrote:Yup, I've mis-read. You could technically do both (controlling and slipping under the radar), but I'll concede that point. It's too early in the game for me to push at vague notions.
What are your currents reads, aside from SOAD?
Another thing: You said my wall had nothing but fluff in it. Anything you'd like to know from me I haven't made known yet?
In post 137, Tierce wrote:When it comes to Shii and being an SE, we have this:
Wiki wrote:Despite appearances, there is no official authority in the SE position. Since they have been on the site for a while, they can aid players who are new to the site like an IC would; but unlike ICs they are under no obligation to do so.Thus I wouldn't put much stock on it influencing play style.
In post 148, Tierce wrote:You say gut scumread on haycorn, consider SOAD the scummiest of the lot, and classify haycorn/SOAD exchange as town vs. scum? I'm missing something here.
You said the exchange felt scum vs. town before. Why the need to reiterate this?
In post 150, Tierce wrote:In post 145, Shiidaji wrote:Above exchange doesn't feel town vs. town. asdfghj I miss double-vote Mafia. Haycorn didn't show any aggression or support for the SOAD wagon until SOAD voted for her. Why?
Not true:
In post 82, haycorn wrote:I suppose at this point I would be most inclined to VOTE: VOTE: syndromeofadown. Sorry.
In post 158, BBmolla wrote:Also, quick question, if you suddenly turned into a DayCop(A cop who can check someone's alignment during the day) who would you check right now and why?
MollaMolla said...
I just played a game where I hammered a VT because he claimed Jailkeeper for half the game. In the end he claimed VT and said I was scum. I was the only claimed PR. I was clear.
I've got a solid town read on him for reasons I'll explain at a later time.
In post 162, haycorn wrote:@BBMolla, for why he is scum, see above. I don't think he's trying to make people not like him. I think he's trying to make people believe that he's someone who should be listened to.
In post 174, BBmolla wrote:Shii why do you think SOAD is scum?