Wow, do I have a long post coming.
False.
This was not necessary.
In post 56, Shiidaji wrote:And since apparently you're still in your little RVS world, this implies you've yet to find anyone even remotely suspicious, correct?
As was this.
In post 57, syndromeofadown wrote:There are no scumtells day 1. Scum is found with a combination of facts and reactions, not reactions alone. You have no idea how I react when I am town. You have no idea how I react when I am scum. If you cannot understand this, I question your grasp on this game.
1. There ARE scumtells Day 1.
2. Facts and reactions is true, but people slip and make mistakes. Scum slips and makes mistakes and that can be spotted.
3. The whole 'I question your grasp' and your read on Shii was unnecessary too.
The whole exchange was painful to read. This is a game, folks. More than that, it is a Newbie game. We're here to learn. There is mafia and there is town, but we're all playing together and trying to have fun. The anger and questioning each other's skills does not help the game and
does not help town
. Please understand that.
In post 63, haycorn wrote:Sorry! My computer blew up and so I have been on my cell this weekend. This is not conducive to thoughtful analysis. I promise to post something well thought out and insightful when I get my new computer set up tonight.
I apologize for my playstyle not helping the town. I do tend to be an observer by nature, but I can see where this would be a problem. As I said, when I am at home tonight and can read more than two lines at a time, I will post something just as suspicious and accusatory as everyone else's posts. I am completely willing to talk-- I just can't find what to say at the moment.
Thanks for posting this, and for your later analysis, even though it was somewhat brief (see my review below).
In post 68, Shiidaji wrote:That wasn't just theory discussion. Do you have anything useful to contribute at all?
What impression does SOAD give you after our exchange?
There you go, this post should have my opinion on it. On both him and you, because obviously you're both subject to scrutiny.
In post 81, inte wrote:i think fathom's flip flop attitude contributes nothing on day one. him pointing out that my post was an OMGUS and forgetting that he himself did one is an attitude of someone trying to shift blame and comfort others. i think tierce is kind-hearted, but could very well be an allied maf. no meaningful opinion on him.
1. Flip flop? Do you expect him to place a random vote and stick with it even though he has no real reason to yet? Changing votes is not a scummy behavior as long as you have valid reasons for it, and "you figured out my alias" isn't quite a valid reason to stick by a vote when someone else is displaying scummier behavior.
2. Me being kind-hearted or not is completely irrelevant to the game. I could be the bitchiest bitch that ever bitched and still be town.
3. I'm female.
In post 82, haycorn wrote:All I see here is theory argument and fighting about who plays the game better. At first, SOAD's "no" post really stood out to me. I'm not sure what the point of posting such a rude response would be other than to keep the debate going and raise the level of hostility, which to my inexperienced eyes seems scummy. Upon what has to be my fifth re-read (yes, I really was keeping up with the post on my phone) I think I can see where that anger was coming from, as Shii was definitely attacking SOAD's skill as a player, but by the same token, SOAD questioned all our skills first.
I suppose at this point I would be most inclined to
VOTE: VOTE: syndromeofadown. Sorry.
What is your reasoning behind this vote? The 'no' post? I think the conversation just devolved into an anger argument, and SOAD stopped (badly, true), instead of continuing to argue pointlessly with the same arguments. Furthermore, don't be sorry! If you're voting on someone, it should be because you think they are mafia. Don't be sorry to lynch them bastards.
How come a RVS vote on the very first page count as an OMGUS? I didn't raise a fuss, and so far fathom42 seems town to me.
In post 86, inte wrote:i agree lurking is scummy, but when you have no input because its day one, i find it hard to make a conversation. i could very well be a cop also, and fellow town are outing me, but then again you risk me being scum. being that it is day one and the only assumption you could of made on my alignment is based on what i've said/not said seems like a random shot in the dark. i might bandwagon if the opportunity arises though.
i also am not completely new to mafia, i've played it a few times on another forum and plenty of times on sc2. i do realize that this forum is more serious and the social aspect is more heavily scrutinized. stay thirsty my friends.
1. We have no input and you say it's hard to make conversation? What would happen if we all took that stance? It may be hard, but we
need
to generate information. You, and everyone, need to create that input you say you don't have.
2. What has your hypothetical cop nature have to do with anything? Do you assume cops lurk by default? How are we outing you?
3. The only assumption we could make of your alignment comes from what you say. So get talking and convince us you're not scum, natch. ;) Being silent is a very very way to slip by the radar, which help mafia, not town.
4. We could not know your mafia play-status. Go back and read everyone's introductions; in comparison, this is the first we hear about your own experience.
In post 88, syndromeofadown wrote:"Town: 1-3
Scum: 3-0"
Who else thinks it might be a good idea to lynch Workdawg just because he might turn out to be dangerous as scum? I know it's metagaming, but he hasn't lost once as scum, but he's lost 3 times as Town. With all else being neutral it might be a good idea to just get rid of the guy who has the highest chances of being dangerous later on?
VOTE: Workdawg
inb4 people call me wishy washy for changing my vote. I know somebody's going to think by voting shii and unvoting I'm trying to distance without bussing, but trust me I'm not. LOL
1. See above about wishy-washy. BUT I'm making a caveat here. Town does not need to worry about changing votes. Your "eee don't think I'm scummy" reaction to your own vote change is somewhat suspicious.
2. Trust you? We'll see about that.
3. As for Workdawg,
what?
That reasoning makes no sense. He is more experienced than us, so most likely he'll have more games as mafia and more games as town than us. Have you gone through all of his games and seen exactly what happened in each one? He has 2/9 chance of being scum here, like any of us. How does the result of other games influence this one? We're different people and the setup/roles may not even be the same.
In post 93, haycorn wrote: In post 91, fathom42 wrote:Personally, I think the Shii/SOAD thing was scummy from both sides. I don't approve of either of them resorting to personal attacks (i.e. "I question your grasp on this game," Shii's sarcasm, etc.). Either one of them could be baiting the other, trying to get them to post something reactionary.
Maybe they are both scum and have prearranged their argument so we never suspect they are in cahoots. Or is that too WIFOM?
We can't know one way or the other. Personally, I do not take any conclusion regarding their alignment from that argument.
