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VT

Hey, me too! You want to be my VT buddy?

Also can't believe I rolled scum on this alt, this means I have to use red instead of green. Who's ever heard of a RED broccoli, c'mon?

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Hello 2 you 2, stranger

Do you expect me to have reads or something?

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I did it purely for the joke

Oh well I'm offended then! I thought you cared what I thought, smh.

Anyway I am too lazy to pretend to have real reads at this point, so here are my fake reads:

elements - town
naerys - town
black - town
gamma - town
davesaz - null
RN - town
dunn - scum
everyone else - i dunno

If you have any questions about these reads, feel free to ask and I will probably be forced to put some more effort into reading the game and then give you an answer.

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UNVOTE:


At this point I can say I heavily town read RN, at least until I develop a different meta for him.

Don't you have any scumreads though?

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What's the basis of scum!Dunn?

You caught me, that was the one read that was 80% fake

the reason for the 20% probably has to do more with his playstyle than his alignment, but I just felt his posts had a tone which doesn't feel towny to me.

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I don’t fully believe in this but might as well see Loki’s response

This but like, my conviction is lacking ten times as much as gamma's.

Still, wagoning a null early Day 1 is not a horrible idea.

VOTE: Cele

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Aren't we like, halfway through the phase?

Oh are we? Then I might do a read of the game later and see if I can find a non-fake scumread to push.

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We could get an actual wagon going if join us though

I mean, if you, me and Gamma all vote Guillo we can also have an actual wagon. I don't have a read on Cele. I have a conflicted read on Guillo. Sounds like the better option.

VOTE: Guillo

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@Nurse are you voting Elly because she didn't answer why she liked Gamma early?

@Elly could you answer Nurse so he stops voting you?

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@Nurse are you voting Elly because she didn't answer why she liked Gamma early?

@Elly could you answer Nurse so he stops voting you?


I'm rusty

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I don't remember what or when Nurse asked me

Well:

Gamma and Black probably town

Gamma has done what so far?

Why not the same amount of puzzlement at both?

I like this
You can be town too, for now

...

...I don't recall you answering Dave's question.

VOTE: Elements

I *think* this is why Nurse is voting you, even though later he claimed it was aimed at dunn (that does make sense when Dave asked Dunn and not you), so I am actually not sure what's the rationale of voting you here.

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Wait did two distinct people get confused with Dunn this game?

I guess this means Nurse isn't scum with Dunn or Elements, and Elements isn't scum with Dunn or Dave. Wow! Me Me Big Brain.

Plot twist: scum team is exactly dunn/dave/elements/nurse

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Tf makes you think I’d want a Guillo wagon? I’ve asked some questions of him but I do that with townreads a lot.

I don't think you want a Guillo wagon particularly, I just think you'd make a nice addition to the townblock I haven't started forming yet but which would theoretically include me, you, Elements and another person or two.

I'll take this as a "no thank you", then.

Though that probably means you are town anyway.

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Oh well.

@Nurse, since Gamma doesn't want in on the townblock, what do you say about being the third member? It's only a temporary block to get the game going, you don't have to commit to it for the length of the entire game.

Same for @Naerys

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Brocoli's entrance screamed "Come, I want attention", which in my opinion is townie cause scum don't do that, they try to blend in.

Hi guillo! It's good to know you TR me. Can you explain to me your reads on Kawaii and Naerys?

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We could get an actual wagon going if join us though

I mean, if you, me and Gamma all vote Guillo we can also have an actual wagon. I don't have a read on Cele. I have a conflicted read on Guillo. Sounds like the better option.

VOTE: Guillo

Anything I can do to help you clear out that conflict?

Probably just play the game and be towny, but talking about your reads would be immensely helpful.

Pedit: okay I am going to read your wallpost now.

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Actually I started reading your wallpost and my main conclusion is you probably come from an era of mafia where scum did very little distancing, if you actually rule out Kyoko/Guillo and all the various Elements pairings. I have seen mafia do more convoluted distancing with my own eyes.

Still, I don't think mafia!Guillo has incentive to make such a post. So uh, UNVOTE: Guillo

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Oh well.

@Nurse, since Gamma doesn't want in on the townblock, what do you say about being the third member? It's only a temporary block to get the game going, you don't have to commit to it for the length of the entire game.

Same for @Naerys

Broccoli is awful vegetable, which i dont like, so nope.

I'm delighted to hear that you judge me by my color and species and NOT by my behavior. That's truly the best way to judge people.

In other news, now that I'm not voting Guillo I need someone else to vote. Do you have any juicy scumreads?

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LOL I was in the middle of writing a post about how I guess I'm kinda okay with voting either CSF or Keyleth (yeah I know LHF etc etc but c'mon everyone else is not exactly scummy), and then 538 dropped. DAMN.

VOTE: Key

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This is a weird post. Acknowledges it is based on playstyle and is very vague... it doesn't actually say or explain anything.

My kind sir, let me explain:
I think your tone is one that comes more often than random from scum. Probably like 60% of the time. I'm referring to, specifically, the complete lack of interest in any fluff and the overly trying hard attitude. Still, it's possible it's just your playstyle. I don't really care because I don't have any other reason to scumread you right now. K.

This feels manipulative

Manipulative: serving or intended to control or influence others in an artful and often unfair or selfish way

I fail to see how calling you town over not wanting to do what I hoped you would do is somehow an attempt to control or influence you. Unless you think I am trying to manipulate you into NOT being in a town core with Elements and me, which is frankly preposterous (I like it!)

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UNVOTE: Keyleth

Did you actually not know the meaning of being manipulative so that you had to look it up in the dictionary and post it here for reference?

Of course I don't know what manipulative means. I also don't know what mafia means, or voting.

I supplied the definition for ease of reference so that when I say I wasn't attempting to control or influence, it would be clear that this is what manipulation means.

PEDIT: wtf has bullying has to do with it? I am LITERALLY saying you are fucking TOWN for not doing what I asked you to do. I didn't nag you to do it. I just stated matter of factly that I guess you don't want to do it, called you town for it, and moved on. HOLY SHIT.

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I like Gamma's post here They can get more points.

VOTE: Keyleth

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Gamma is feeling very much like Gamma!town

Oh she is, alright.

@Gamma listen I really don't care who or what you vote. Not being in a block is not a threat. A block is a group of people who trust each other and are willing to cooperate, and then vote together. If there's no trust then there's no block, it's as simple as that.

I think I would be willing to block with guillo for instance, even though I don't fully agree with his reads, but since right now nobody seems to see Keyleth and CSF scummy I'll just have to swallow my pride and do it.

That said, VOTE: Celeb

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I like Keyleth's playstyle
I can see it being town but also a good way to hide as scum

I personally think it's the latter

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Nurse, I saw your table. Do you have like 0 reads?

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640 bothered me because it was so "mediator-ish" without really adding anything thoughtful. I think we could all see both sides, even if personally we would agree with Gamma or with BQ2: Electric Boogaloo. I don't think it's hard to see that Gamma felt the behavior was manipulative and also that BQ2 did not mean it in that way (or at least says he didn't, which feeds more into it feeling manipulative to Gamma)
And it felt like he had not posted in a while so I went back to see when he posted last and what happened.

So since it's apparent what the situation is, why post at all? 640 feels like a long post about... nothing.

And I didnt remember dave posting recently so I thought "hmm, I'm going to go back and check what has happened between 640 and the last time dave posted because that seems like a scummy "I'm not lurking" post to me. So I did... and while checking when he last posted I read Dave's ISO. It's mostly shading Keyleth, but not trying to start any pressure directly on her.

I think dave is slitherin' rn
VOTE: davesaz

First, while I get whatchu sayin, what exactly does davesaz gain from posting 640 as scum?

Second, I think the reason for making it as town is an attempt to diffuse a TvT. To me it looks like it worked, since Gamma is no longer voting me.

Additionally, I must emphasize that I believe that davesaz is town. I have read two of his scum games and he was extremely easy to spot as scum in both. He does not feel similar in this game.

Also Gamma feels like town here after that argument with BQ2. Could be TvT, but BQ2 is gimmicking so it's naturally harder to read his side of things

Like if he wasn't gimmicking I'm inclined to say that's TVT

How does my gimmicking affect your ability to read me? Can't you read through the gimmick?

Or differently put: what is town indicative about my play, and why is it not town indicative in light of having a gimmick?



As an aside, I dunno if you noticed but my pronouns are "they". So I would appreciate if you use them. Though I am aware that a certain type of users (colloquially known as "alt hunters") may derive immense pleasure from ascribing gender/sex characteristics to a broccoli. If you are one of them, please proceed with using "he".

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I would like to propose a plan:

Every person list 2-4 people they are sure are town with higher than 90% certainty.

Then we make a pool of 4-5 people who never get voted today.

Then we just wagon a random person who's not in the pool, and repeat the same tomorrow. If the reads are accurate, that gives 33% chance to hit scum each day, or about 60% chance to to succeed on either.

My 2 are Gamma and Nurse btw.

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I would like to propose a plan:

Every person list 2-4 people they are sure are town with higher than 90% certainty.

Then we make a pool of 4-5 people who never get voted today.

Then we just wagon a random person who's not in the pool, and repeat the same tomorrow. If the reads are accurate, that gives 33% chance to hit scum each day, or about 60% chance to to succeed on either.

My 2 are Gamma and Nurse btw.

Nice plan, scum

???

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Celeb, may I offer a word of advice?

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If you want to be less scumread, STOP talking about how scummy or not scummy your RVS vote was, and start posting reads on OTHER players.

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Also, I would love to stop talking about RN, but apparently the wagon on me revolves around my RVS vote on him and how I keep talking about him. Should I just ignore my wagon so I can stop talking about RN?

YES

One. Hundred. Percent.

IGNORE YOUR WAGON.

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CSF and Gamma

Curious about CSF btw. That's not someone I expected to see here.

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I think scum are generally way more interested in who

scumreads

who

I'd like to know who you

townread

Hmmm...

I don't think we are at the point in the game where we need to rally everyone to list off their top townreads. I also don't like your "wagon a random person who's not in the pool, rinse and repeat" suggestion on top of that. Feels really agenda driven

Maybe I should explain why I suggested that:

I feel this game is kinda going nowhere. Like most Day 1's, there are a bunch of viable wagons. Here I feel most wagons are like dead inside and no one really feels like they are being pressured, and also no wagon is especially attractive to me. So I think doing something different might be a good idea, regardless of whether that something different is an amazing strategy or just a meh strategy like mine.

What kind of agenda do you think this has? My only agenda is to actually get a serious wagon going on someone who is not consensus town so that reactions and reads happen, and more importantly, we get a flip and can start analyzing stuff.

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WHy is it scummy to want to know people's reads?

For example I would have wanted to wagon CSF or Keyleth (just outta PoE, not due to anything especially scummy), but it feels like people are implicitly TRing them, and then I feel demotivated to do anything about it because people are like "nah" but there was no explicit consensus TR before that. If we have consensus TRs I can start a wagon which I know could get support.

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Hmmm...

Yeah I meant to say townread

I feel this game is kinda going nowhere. Like most Day 1's, there are a bunch of viable wagons. Here I feel most wagons are like dead inside and no one really feels like they are being pressured, and also no wagon is especially attractive to me. So I think doing something different might be a good idea, regardless of whether that something different is an amazing strategy or just a meh strategy like mine.

Why is the Celebloki wagon not attractive to you?

What kind of agenda do you think this has? My only agenda is to actually get a serious wagon going on someone who is not consensus town so that reactions and reads happen, and more importantly, we get a flip and can start analyzing stuff.

Why do you not consider Celebloki a serious wagon? This doesn't really feel like a valid reason to push for everyone to list off their townreads

It's not attractive because I think pushing someone for their RVS votes this late into Day 1 is absurd in the extreme.

I am still voting Celebloki because he's by no means a townread of mine, and technically voting him could be an expected result of following my proposed strategy anyway.

Still, I would love to vote someone else because it doesn't feel like we're going to get much reactions/associations out of this wagon.

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Guillo Bam and Aid

What's that?

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Being generous and assuming we get a pool of 5 to not be limmed that contains 1 scum because its D1 and reads are gonna be bad overall - the odds of at least one success over 2 days should be closer to 40% not 60, I think. If mental math isnt hard now that I'm old

That is like mega un-generous. It's super easy to find 3-4 people who are town in a 13p, so it shouldn't be hard to find 4-5 town in a 17p.

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I don't agree on this reasoning being a good indicator of mafia.

Just to be clear, are you saying that this post by myself is not scum indicative for myself?

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Damn, seems I am POPULAR! I had FIVE notifications on pages 31 and I don't know how many posts talking about my plan on page 32 and calling me town. If this doesn't stop I might turn into a tomato!

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I'm referring to, specifically, the complete lack of interest in any fluff and the overly trying hard attitude.

What I am saying is that I disagree with this reasoning, both in general and when applied to me.

Ohhhh okay makes sense.

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Question, Dunn: Why do you TR me then if you disagree with everything I said so far?

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Anyway I think Black asked who would be a good wagon rn since she doesn't want Naerys. My answer is one of Kawaii/Hu Tao/CSF.

VOTE: Hu Tao

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Why Hu Tao?

I don't feel she's done anything townie, and while looking at Andres' ISO (He was originally a potential vote candidate), I found this which I agree with:

213 - I am not getting the vibes expressed by Hu Tao, which is why I have negative thoughts (I don’t believe the attack).

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Taking this one because 8/25 is my birthday

You were born in two years from now???

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Hmmm I think Dunn's town

Taking this one because 8/25 is my birthday

You were born in two years from now???

Yes I have the Benjamin Button disease or something

Kinda jelly ngl

Naerys looks a little frozen and only posts to defend themselves.

i kinda had lazy Sunday and today i fell asleep after i came home from work lol
i am going to reread a bit a update my RL

WHAT??? You fell asleep instead of playing mafia? How DARE you?

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Good morning!

Why Hu Tao?

I don't feel she's done anything townie, and while looking at Andres' ISO (He was originally a potential vote candidate), I found this which I agree with:

213 - I am not getting the vibes expressed by Hu Tao, which is why I have negative thoughts (I don’t believe the attack).

Is that the only reason? Sounds sus

Can you elaborate on why it's sus?

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I'll be fully honest, I think 858 is smack in Hu Tao's scum meta, BUT I want to hear first what she has to say on why it's sus.

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Having the two largest wagons of the entire day be almost completely disjoint is not giving me any good feelings.
I can't spend time right at bedtime to run this down, with a 7am meeting that I'm a leader for. It will be 2.5 days or less the next time I do have time.

What do you mean by disjoint?

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Like what does that even accomplish? If anything that makes me slightly scum read you for that question

Are you saying you are scumreading me for asking why voting you is sus?

Because I am just going to ask why is it slightly scummy to ask why is it sus to scumread you based on something that I think shouldn't be sus to scumread you on.

Are you confused yet? Because I'm not.

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Naerys, hate to break it to ya, but asking politely for someone to share a read list is not exactly how you hunt scum. Can you vote Hu Tao please? Or Alternatively, give a scum case for somebody else and vote them?

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Fuck

This is literaly my first altslip ever

I blame my browser for being weird with cookies

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well you snipped out the context for both reads so of course they look weird when juxtaposed. If you read the context, the read change isn't even weird IMO.

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actually no, it's not my browser's fault, I just remembered what I did wrong. Damn it.

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Plus the fact that i tend to be used as a limbait by scum.

Can someone here other than Naerys confirm this?

Checking in

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Gamma vs Broccoli (around pages 23-26 or so)
Broccoli being DragonEater´s alt (quite the derp, man) actually makes me think this could be tvt. I know Broccoli likes to pocket people as town. Gamma´s suspicious reaction feels genuine to me.

I dunno who is that Dragoneater guy, but i think you confused me with him. I most definitely don't pocket anyone as either alignment, I just troll.

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well you snipped out the context for both reads so of course they look weird when juxtaposed. If you read the context, the read change isn't even weird IMO.

The only thing I snipped out in the first quote was that kyouko looked at Naerys's ISO and scumread her, which makes it even worse. I snipped out the reasoning in the second quote because it wasn't relevant to my point. The reasons felt like an over justification for the read change. I'm not buying it

You snipped this out:

Naerys feels like she has a decent chance to be scum here,

probably higher than Celebloki from an outside POV

Maybe I'm a dummy (okay, I am a dummy but that's unrelated), but i thought this meant that Kyoko was like "I can see the scumread" rather than "oh yeah Naerys is a big scumread of mine"

Kyoko, am I getting it right?

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Plus the fact that i tend to be used as a limbait by scum.

Can someone here other than Naerys confirm this?

The iso link I posted is one such example.

Ok.

VOTE: Andres

Your time to post more content has arrived

Why not Hu Tao?

I think Andres is like explicitly unable to play due to real life

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Naerys feels like she has a decent chance to be scum here

So yeah after reading closer I don't think Naerys is scummy up to 555. She's towny even.

These reads are so different that I'm having a hard time believing they are real

To me it seems like you were trying to leave room for you to support and eventually join the Naerys wagon but then couldn't justify the read when asked about it, and I think that's more likely to come from scum

VOTE: kyouko

I think you're tunneled, with peace and love.
I think my last 2 posts detail my original impression and how I recognized where it was wrong well enough that it can't be denied they are real thought processes.

Naerys was an "I'll compromise here if I need to but I would prefer one of

my

scumreads davesaz/Celebloki" - Hu Tao is now one of

my

scumreads after a detailed inspection and I'm hoping you'll rejoin me there in flipping scum.
VOTE: Hu Tao

VOTE: Hu Tao

VOTE: Hu Tao

I love being sheeped

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VOTE: Celebloki

We gave them time to breath and has done little with the time we gave them.

Fair point, also Celeb said he wanted to post about something different than Nurse and then disappeared, but still I think Hu Tao is scummier.

I dont want Hu tao, I don't believe they are scum.

Elaborate?

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I don't think Naerys is doing that as much as she did in recent games.

Doing what as much? Not clear what you're replying to

Why is it that you town read Naerys for?

I like her thoughts and I feel like she's trying to figure out people's alignments

I kinda agree with you but I think it was the same level (I.E., a lower level compared to 245) in a recently completed towngame of hers (note: I only skimmed that game so maybe am wrong)

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I believe they are being an entitled brat which i see from town more often than not.
They're tunneling Naerys because they were inaccurate about their meta, which is also such a bad play, that I fail to see how scum would possibly think it is a good push. Scum are more aware of those kinds of pushes and just dont do them.

I think Hu Tao is specifically an entitled brat as scum. Here is a scum game of hers where she bullies me for not having her as my top townread:
link 1 - context
link 2 - entitlement

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Is this even a real thought?

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Sorry for hyperposting but

@Mod shouldn't CSF and Kawaii be prodded?

Also wtf why is Kawaii's only post in the last 72 hours THIS:

What are your thoughts on everyone?

???????????????????

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Why is no one else allowed to have a similar thought?

That's not it, I'm just baffled that this:

In 245 she was pushing a mis elim on a townie that was being hard pushed by a Scum FL.

So she's saying its normal for her to sheep a bad wagon being pushed by scum D1

could be a real thought.

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I'm referencing this whole exchange. dave brought up 245 and Hu Tao used it to justify that she does push people as town D1. I was just saying I thought it was funny she'd used a game where she was pocketed and sheeping scum to push a mis-elim was a good example of why she's not scum here. Sure it may indicate she's not scum, but it certainly indicates she pushes bad wagons.

Oh. O H.

I just realized I read your post in the tone of a tryhard mafiascum player, when it was written in the tone I used to have when I was a teenager making bad jokes (no offense meant, because I think making bad jokes is an art).

Yeah okay nevermind about that whole thing.

Pedit: Gamma what does that mean?

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@Kyoko, I have been keeping track and Hu Tao is at 5 votes. I am still waiting for Naerys to join btw.

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I think the “tell us” feels similar to Black’s post

gotcha

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@Kyoko, I have been keeping track and Hu Tao is at 5 votes. I am still waiting for Naerys to join btw.

Nope I messed up by not counting Gamma's vote

She's at 6.

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[color=00BF00]Hu Tao since this is a large and we're quite close to deadline you should probably claim now (you are at E-2).

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The downside of typing quick is this.

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???? Read what I said that was in regards to. That post has nothing to do with you

damn I feel dumb now

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@Mod VLA until Friday

I kinda agree with Kyoko but at the same time I slightly believe the claim

I don't really have any idea for somebody else to wagon right now and I don't have time to post until Friday most likely so I'm leaving the vote there even though it's non optimum. K bye I really need to go now.

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Welp seems like I'm not getting sleep tonight so might as well play mafia

I'm leaving the vote there even though it's non optimum.

That's a really strange choice

Argh why do you have to make it hard to kill le scum. We're on the same side this game (I hope).

Look the truth is, I WANT to believe that claim but honestly it's a bit phony and I want the possibility for a Hu Tao lim to exist even when I'm VLA. It won't happen without 4-5 other townies also agreeing to it (unless you think all scum would go on that wagon).

If you want I can try casing her more, but I just think she's the likeliest to flip scum.

Obviously I meant the thinking they were hammered part. Dude.

I agree that it was obvious.

Hu's claim of being hammered was quite weird and could be false. Celebloki being so adamant about the vote remaining there seems like self preservation, I'm trying to decide if that feels scum aligned or not.

Why self preservation? I think it's perfectly reasonable not to believe the claim.

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@Black + Gamma

Part of my SR on Hu Tao is based on the game that just finished.

That said, I should really sleep now.

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it's 2 AM

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I feel like such a clown for calling GE obvtown lol.

I also didn't read the last 20 pages of Day 1, I wonder if I should read them or just skip it all.

Somebody mentioned E-1'ing people for claims - who claimed other than Hu Tao?

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Gamma you've still got your rvs vote on me, why?

This seems a bit overly defensive. In a weird way, I could see this be teammate talk. But not too strong of a read right now

!!!!!

Calling it. I was right on this.

VOTE: Elements

Let's listen to me today

k

VOTE: Elements

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I think Gamma and Hu Tao were unaligned. Gamma was also unaligned with Black btw but Black is dead so that's an irrelevant read. In any case I Hu Tao is my top townread right now.

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Actually Guillo and Nurse are also town off of Gamma's flip.

These surface reads will totally not backfire later

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Townie was Kawaii's role (VT).

Naerys why is it scum indicative to make a note of somwthong obvious and then say it's irrelevant?

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There is guaranteed to be at least one person who received the following, per normal rules

Welcome to Large Normal 246! You are a Townie.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

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Good morning, Hu Tao lied. She’s vanilla.

VOTE: Hu Tao

I know she lied but she's town anyway.

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Naerys why is it scum indicative to make a note of somwthong obvious and then say it's irrelevant?

It feels like trying to be seen as doing something while not doing much.

Does it now? I gave three or four other, valid reads.

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Naerys why is it scum indicative to make a note of somwthong obvious and then say it's irrelevant?

It feels like trying to be seen as doing something while not doing much.

Does it now? I gave three or four other, valid reads.

Okay, 3 decent reads. Is every vegetable as confident as you?

I have no idea what this question has to do with your vote on me for "trying to appear like I'm doing something", but the answer is that yes, on this account I often have confident reads.

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I’m certainly not going to listen to Hu Tao. I suppose she could have lied to cover any other PR and avoid getting limmed, but I think it’s more likely she’s a goon.

I am telling you she's a VT who fake claimed doc. I wasn't buying her claim for a second.

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I wish everyone was so sure about that, she should have been the elim yesterday in that case instead of multiple speed wagons on other people that pushes more claim shenanigans.

Well, I was the one who left my vote on her despite her claim and I was actually contemplating CC'ing her claim but decided not to.

@Dave

- can you please point out the distancing posts you felt were similar to Mini 2310?

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Good morning, Hu Tao lied. She’s vanilla.

VOTE: Hu Tao

You could be a scum role cop. You softed doc/bodyguard.

Why would you think scum have 2 goons in a complex setup?

Makes no sense to claim as town to do this.

Wdym by the red?

Also could you quote the soft please?

Naerys it pains me to say this but I agree with Hu Tao that your read is rubbish.

Pedit: Gamma is a her btw.

Additionally, Elements you should probably unvote HT if you are town.

Naur. Another altslip.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Naur. Another altslip.

I'm taking a break from playing on alts after this game, mark my words.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Good morning, Hu Tao lied. She’s vanilla.

VOTE: Hu Tao

You could be a scum role cop. You softed doc/bodyguard.

Why would you think scum have 2 goons in a complex setup?

Makes no sense to claim as town to do this.

Wdym by the red?

Also could you quote the soft please?

Makes no sense as a town role cop to claim vanilla result on me here when goon was flipped already in a complex setup

Oh I see what you mean.

I also felt Celebloki's claim was a blunder if town.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Naerys it pains me to say this but I agree with Hu Tao that your read is rubbish.

Pedit: Gamma is a her btw.

Additionally, Elements you should probably unvote HT if you are town.

Yeah I should
UNVOTE:

Wow that was easy. I was wondering whether it's AI for Elements to be so easy to persuade, but luckily Kyoko is here so I don't have to do any meta research.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Nice, now I can go back to townbinning Naerys and continue with the search for the fabled scum.

I agree with HT that a lot of Elements and Gamma combined ISO looks like distancing, but I feel Elements unvoting here is probably town? Again I don't know how submissive Elements tends to be as scum but it's just my impression of the play that it's coming from town.

Yeah I know I'm hedging. But I am not feeling confident about calling Elements town for "towny behavior" after Gamma flipped scum.

Pedit: or I can just sheep Hu Tao.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Is that it?

No:

VOTE: Elements

Gamma and Black probably town

Gamma and Black probably town

Gamma has done what so far?

It's a meta read based partly on mini open 893

Does anyone else think it's scum indicating when someone isn't voting?

I’ve seen that suggested but never exactly understood the logic of it

VOTE: Kyouko

VOTE: Kyouko

Why did you 2 vote Kyouko?

VOTE: Kyouko

VOTE: Kyouko

Why did you 2 vote Kyouko?

Is wagon

bleagh

All of the above feels like distancing.

Also you repeatedly TR'd Gamma yesterday without ever making a real interaction with her slot, which is kinda weird tbh.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Timmer I think would look bad if it wasn't for the townslips and boy am I a sucker for townslips

Broccoli fight can never be SvS with Gamma, right? Please bonk me if that's wrong I think it's good though?

I could support Hu Tao on Elements if they want.

You are correct, my fight with Gamma is not SvS.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Well I did openly claim so you're always free to check me!

What did you claim?

Spoiler:

I don't

b

elieve the claim at all. I also don't believe for a second that Hu Tao thought she was actually hammered so the claim itself was no way a twilight-esque spew. It was a calculated gambit.

I was waiting for Guillo's opinion on the Hu Tao claim. He's a bold person and if he doesn't think a Hu Tao lim is the play I'll sheep that I guess. I still think Hu Tao is probably scum so the only way she'll go is through limming.

Can I also just say, love it or hate it, having gob in the game really spices things up.

Even though she wants me dead, I still don't think Kyouko's the play today.

This might seem completely out of left field, but I am just pondering scenario's. In a game this size, and considering Hu Tao's claim of Complex Indecisive Doctor, is a second town protective role likely balance-wise or would that be too town sided?

Here is why I thought Celebloki was softing bodyguard. They capitalize a b in the first post here, and in the next post they make they use the word 'bold'. Their third post asks if a second town protective role would be likely.

By the way, I also capitalized a b in 1263

It seems they are instead claiming some kind of a rolecop role, which is confusing to me given their behavior above.

Yeah I also noticed that bolded B and thought it was probably a crumb.

Also the context of those first 2 posts is Celebloki saying they don't believe Hu Tao's claim so it made sense to me that they were also a protective in distress.

Yep.

Lastly I think Gob lied about their reason for replacing out being that they were in too many games. Point being they joined a new game right after replacing out of this one and have posted nearly a hundred times on the site since then.

VOTE: Dunnstral
Gobs reason is his own and this post is really bad.

Naerys, I agree with you that it's not cool to speculate on replacements, but that post is not even mildly scum indicative for Dunn.

I’m certainly not going to listen to Hu Tao. I suppose she could have lied to cover any other PR and avoid getting limmed, but I think it’s more likely she’s a goon.

I am telling you she's a VT who fake claimed doc. I wasn't buying her claim for a second.

If Hu Tao flips Scum I want this slot examined next.

Why exactly? Do you think my persistent SR of Hu Tao Day 1 was just an act? And do you think I'd say the above as a partner?

My plan originally was to investigate the millers. If I live to and through tonight I plan to do that. I won't go further on what my crumbs meant. They do have a purpose, but it's not beneficial to town to go into them right now.

Um, I think it IS beneficial to town to explain the crumbs because you're kinda under fire.

Though I will admit my gut reaction is to believw your claim (just like Hu Tao), so maybe I should just silently let you go on with it.

Since i have seen town!Tao lie about being doctor, i suppose she could be town.
I dont see what scum!Broccoli would gain from defending town!Tao - more likely he would support the easy lim. Defending Hu Tao makes sense only in case of both town or both scum. Both being scum is something to think about.

They are still trying to confuse things by saying they protected Gamma when they didn't. Where is the town motivation there?

Are people not reading the game... like actually.

Yeah I'm really baffled here

Oh wait I understand. Black did the first one. Protected gamma and they both died.

I guess I misinterpreted this post?

No you understood it perfectly. Black used her babysitter on Gamma which resulted in Gamma's death.

I'm confused as to why people think Hu Tao is town and lied.

Oh that's easy.

She didn't even try to sound like she's a real doctor and her VT claim was much more genuine. Also Gamma flip makes Hu Tao very town, Gamma was opportunistically trying to ride on my Hu Tao wagon yesterday for a miselim.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

I strongly TR Dunn here btw

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Actually I think Celeb should explain the crumbs either toDay or tomorrow. It's very anti town to let him slip by with an unresolved inconsistency, even if he's a townread. But if it's veey important for him, he can explain it Day 3.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

So Hu lied about their claim but it's cool because they are obv-town, Dunn can't understand Black's role and how it resulted in Gamma's death, Celeb soft-suggested a protective role and apparently crumbed some clues but now says they are an investigator and yet we are believing them as well even though they will explain itall tomorrow, does that sum things up?

Pretty much, yeah.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

This businessof bolding letters, capitaling things etc, is that commonly done on this site? How often does that actually pay off in some tangible way?

Quite often? Maybe in 30-50% of games, I'd say.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

I got through #909. Through there, I have the game something like this:

Town
{Black, KawaiiKame}
Strong Lean Town
{Celebloki}
Lean Town
{TimmerRC, Dunnstral [Miller Claim], ‪Cat scratch fever, ‬Guillotina}
Slight Lean Town
{ssbm_Kyouko [Miller Claim], Broccoli Quest 2, Random Nurse, Naerys}
Uncertain
{Hu Tao}
Slight Lean Scum
{davesaz}
Lean Scum
{Elements, Keyleth}
Scum
{Gamma Emerald}

Spoiler: With Quotes

[Comments before end of D1]

217 - I can’t say I like the reasoning for the vote expressed here, but I don’t know that Scum openly admits to voting as a form of policy instead of just saying it was RVS. I know Celebloki is getting a lot of heat for this explanation from what I can tell, so I would just say that I don’t get SR the slot for this. I think if Scum had to explain the vote to draw the least amount of suspicion, they probably just say that it’s an RVS vote and that’s it. The extra explanation clearly isn’t angled at making themselves look good.
219 - Interestingly, I’m surprised to actually agree with this thought. It may not be entirely accurate. Still, I like the skepticism that underlies it.
285 - This may be the sort of question Scum asks to appear to be advancing the game. Or it could be genuine curiosity, not sure. If you’re asking me (and I know you’re not), there’s no definitive process that works. At the end of the day, Scum have to bullshit.
293 - I’m not a fan of this post. I would argue Kyouko didn’t seem “afraid”. They were simply trying to connect (yes, despite the vote). I don’t know if Kyouko’s Miller claim was “opportunistic” - I may have to revisit the context.
306 - I can’t say I understand this pivot. If you really believe Kyouko is trying to attack you early because they’re scared of your slot (I presume because you’re good at catching Scum), then why not keep up the pressure after they’ve collected some quick votes?
327 - I agree that Guillotina’s bursts of posts are probably +Towny. Nevertheless, I share Black’s “concern” about the switch to Celebloki there.
348 - Is this back and forth supposed to convince me that Random Nurse and Guillotina can’t be partnered?
384 - Certainly quite a bit of overlap with some of the reactions I have felt. Though the questions themselves are probably easy to fake from Scum, I’ll admit that the level of enthusiasm is probably difficult to sustain from Scum. Though that’s coming from the perspective of someone that doesn’t like playing Scum ever.
391 - I don’t think you can know this @Elements. If the pivot happened within 30 minutes, then a previous post shouldn’t have caused the switch. I would have found it more believable if Guillotina had simply said that they were

also

suspicious of Celebloki for the reasons explained.
402 - Black’s skepticism here in response to Elements claiming to not have a read of Guillotina is, in my mind, warranted.

[Reading After D1 has ended]
449 - This is far fetched. Not a particularly convincing argument from Guillotina.
468 - For reasons specified above, I don’t like this argument from Kyouko.
478 - Obviously Broccoli’s read of Gamma as Scum is negative points. To be totally fair, I don’t think I ever even had a chance to express a read there so I can understand why this opinion might be annoying.
482 - Since this doesn’t read like distancing to me, Celebloki is more often than not Town (assuming this keeps up).
484 - Since we know this is a Scum motivated wagon, these votes from Elements and Broccoli are not positives. Do I think the whole Scum Team jumped on a slot all at the same time? No.
518 - Now this is interesting. Gamma actively arguing against a vote for Guillotina in this way is either a pocket or a Partner. Will have to decide which one.
526 - I don’t know what to make of this interaction between Broccoli and Gamma. Is it too blatant for Partners?
529 - Meh. Ruling out Kyouko and Guillotina over 18 just doesn’t make any sense to me. Dunnstral and Elements could certainly be partnered. If anything, 28 is some evidence in favor of the idea that perhaps Dunn and

Gamma

are not partnered. And the way Gamma shaded Elements is clearly nothing that Scum aren’t capable of doing. This post isn’t particularly impressive.
The interaction between Gamma and Random Nurse I will admit didn’t strike me as Partners. So I would argue there’s some positives there.
536 - This probably just clears CSF for now.
546 - I do agree that Guillotina and Gamma are probably not partnered given 329. I do think that Black’s argument against Guillotina was valid, but I’m having a hard time simply ignoring the more direct interactions with Gamma.
549 - Probably Town indicative for Dunnstral (the attack on Gamma).
563 - Not great in a vacuum. Funny enough, Keyleth SR’ing one of the most widely TR’ed slots in the game is a positive for me.
565 - This certainly confirms the observation above. Also, this is a positive for Naerys - they’re reaching out to a slot that’s +Town in my book to defend another Town that’s being (wrongly) suspected.
567 - If this ended up with a vote, perhaps Broccoli and Gamma are not really partnered.
569 - I don’t know if Gamma as Scum reacts to a Partner’s suspicion this way, but it’s very convincing distancing.
581 - Then again, this feels like a bad vote. Having said that, Gamma trying to move Guillotina from Naerys to Celebloki (not directly, of course) in 582 has to be considered as a subtle defense.
592 - I’m thinking this post from davesaz is bad. I would argue it’s clearly shading a Towny, but it’s also not particularly strong. Just attacking the strength of the read.
595 - All this analysis, only to vote Town. That’s a shame. I remain in disagreement that Gamma flipping Scum spews Elements Town.
602 - This also doesn’t feel like distancing. Considering it’s a “spicy take” from Scum, I can’t imagine it’s accurate. 625 also means that the take is followed with an actual vote, which I would argue is a decent indication of it not being SvS. Also, I don’t think it’s particularly common to accuse a Partner of “bullying”.
603 - I had a good laugh at this. Timmer is again, probably just Town.

As a side note, this game feels very dense. It’s taking me a long time to parse through each page.

626 - Uh oh. Not good from Keyleth.
627 - Yeah, I can’t currently conclude that Broccoli and Gamma are trying to distance here. The use of the word “bullying” and Broccoli’s clear negative reaction to that are pretty Town indicative to me.
639 - Interesting line here from Guillotina.
640 - Now this I would actually vote. davesaz is doing the classic I see my Partner is struggling with their push, so I will argue they’re both Town in a way to protect their position.
648, 665 - We can certainly dispense with the notion that Elements and Gamma can’t be partnered.
658 - Since this is real pressure, Celebloki is probably never Scum here.
674 - It’s going to be hard to trust Kyouko in light of the set of posts culminating here.
691 - There’s something shady about this post. Arguing that your own behavior is +Town because you’re helping de-obfuscate is quite questionable.
692 - @Kyouko, I read Dunn’s post as defending Kawaii from Gamma. Now of course it doesn’t matter. Kawaii was Town, and I agree upon reading more closely that Dunn wasn’t doing that, but instead was reacting to Elements. I think there’s other reasons to believe that Dunnstral is Town in any case.
The point on Kawaii and Timmer was a bit more nuanced, I would argue. TImmerRC seemed confused like you said, and somewhat outraged, that Hu Tao had claimed VT. Kawaii then said “it’s definitely weird” which is another way of saying “it’s Scummy”, which I didn’t agree with (I don’t think Hu Tao is Scummy for claiming VT so early). At the time, I felt the way Kawaii approached the situation was Scummy. I was wrong, obviously.
696 - Though I have to read through the collection of posts here again, the case constructed by Kyouko of Celebloki is probably flawed, and should be scrutinized.
711 - This is Keyleth defending Scum and one of my biggest SRs so I can’t say I think this is great.
715 - I can’t view piling onto Celebloki here as a positive (from davesaz).
723 - I think Kyouko arguing this deep in the game that the reasoning behind an RVS vote is sufficient to justify a large wagon on a player is just a bad look. It may not be coming from Scum, admittedly. As in, why would Scum spend so much time making themselves look tunneled with the primary reason being an RVS vote? But at the time, it was the wagon with the most votes on. So that’s something to consider.
728 - I think voting Elements here is justified.
756 - If I’m being objective, I would think this is a positive from Guillotina. And also, I think Broccoli criticizing the focus on the RVS vote in 755 is a tad positive, but not to the same extent since they found a way to maintain their vote regardless. Now, Celebloki would have to be confirmed Town, but shifting away there I would argue is +Town.
766 - I would argue Dunnstral probably has the game somewhat upside down from reading this (up to that point), but I’m not thinking that’s Scummy.
783 - I would argue this is Scummy from Keyleth.
784 - This reads like a pocketing attempt to me. TR’ing the strategy put forth by Broccoli, I would argue, is being done because Broccoli TR’ed Gamma pretty strongly. My point being that I am not of the mindset that Gamma and Broccoli are partners even if Broccoli seems to have consistently defended Gamma throughout.
817 - Would like to highlight this post from davesaz. Not a good look.
822 - From my perspective, this pool for an execution is problematic since I TR all of these slots. Gotta say - definitively calling Broccoli anything this game is going to be tough (from what I’ve observed so far).
833 - This is the sort of subtle defense of a Partner I would expect to see (davesaz and Gamma, in this case).
848 - I’ll just quickly give my thoughts on Town blocks but I don’t expect to get much of a reaction to it. Town blocks are a necessary evil. Setting up a POE is key to putting Scum in a corner. I don’t think anyone is suggesting that Town blocks should be trusted forever if set up D1 (and Broccoli clearly would have lost the game that way if it wasn’t for Black’s excellent use of their role), but I don’t like these posts arguing against their use. In my experience, they can be extremely effective tools. Having said that, I understand Celebloki’s skepticism. I just think it’s misplaced.
860, 861, 863 - Hm. I started reading this sequence as potentially partners, but the fact that Gamma was completely willing to apply pressure here with a vote deflates that argument to a large extent.
867 - The AtE from Naerys is real.
873 - This is too harsh for partners (though there’s always a chance it’s deception). I’m thinking davesaz and Hu Tao are not partnered as Scum.
909 - I have a couple of broad thoughts. Firstly, Kyouko reevaluating like this is Towny. There’s a couple of things that I have picked up from Naerys that make me think the slot is maybe Town (for example, the AtE in #867). I also think that Kyouko is trying to figure out Naerys’ alignment with nuance, and it doesn’t read like fake reasoning to me. The analysis whether Naerys was being waffly with the points about the millers seems solid. I don’t think the underlying points are super strong per se, but I think it’s a bit too nuanced for Scum.

I'm assuming you didn't see any of the flips yet?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Unofficial VC:

Elements (E-4): Hu Tao, Broccoli Quest 2, Keyleth, Andresvmb
Hu Tao (E-6): Celebloki, Random Nurse
Dunnstral (E-7): Naerys
Broccoli Quest 2 (E-8):
Keyleth (E-8):
ssbm_Kyouko (E-8):
Celebloki (E-8):
Roden (E-8):
TimmerRC (E-8):
Andresvmb (E-8):
Naerys (E-8):
davesaz (E-8):
Guillotina (E-8):
Random Nurse (E-8):

Not Voting: ssbm_Kyouko, Dunnstral, Roden, TimmerRC, davesaz, Guillotina, Random Nurse, Elements,

With 14 alive it takes 8 to eject a player from the Game

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Also Nurse, HT is obvtown. Please unvote and consider voting Elements, or someone in the PoE like Roden or Andres something.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Also Nurse, HT is obvtown. Please unvote and consider voting Elements, or someone in the PoE like Roden or Andres something.

If my vote is important to you then convince me why I should unvote.

Why are you pushing me to vote someone else?

What EXACTLY make Hu Tao so obvTown to you?

Alrighty.

1. You should unvote because I believe you are town and I believe Hu Tao is town and I don't want to spend this day phase on eliminating a VT for no reason. It was abundantly clear yesterday that her claim was fake and everyone chose not to lim her anyway. Why should we lim her for the same fake claim today?

2. I am pushing you to vote someone else because I think you are town and I want your help in solving the game, but not by voting HT.

3. She is obvtown to me because of (a) how Gamma was trying to miselim her yesterday, (b) the cheekiness of her VT claim on her first post, followed by the cheekiness of making an absurd fake claim at E-1, and (c) the way she's opened up today and continued to play today is much more solvy and much less coasty than how Hu Tao usually plays scum. YesterDay I believe I was pushing her for coasting, but she's not coasting this Day phase.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

I DO NOT see that as a soft.

Naerys, understand that if Hu Tao flips Scum I will also be suspecting you because it could be seen as you trying to shift my focus away from HT and onto Celebloki.

If you're Town, understand this possibility. If you're Scum understand that I will eventually catch you.

Hu Tao and Broccoli do.
Damn. This is a mess

It's a soft. But there's like a 60-70% chance it's coming from town!Celeb

[Broccoli Quest 2]

This businessof bolding letters, capitaling things etc, is that commonly done on this site? How often does that actually pay off in some tangible way?

Quite often? Maybe in 30-50% of games, I'd say.

Sorry to harp on this, but 30 to 50% of the time it benefits town? I just don't see how these little clues help since long time players on both sides presumably catch them equally easily?

I meant it's probably used with some effect in about 30-50% of the time. And yeah it can help scum but it often does help town. Idk if more or less often than it helps scum, though.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Hu Tao vs Celebloki could contain a scum.
Hu Tao looks much worse, that slot is untrustworthy. Starting with her is less risky than limming potential useful town PR but also her flip gets plenty of useful info.
I wanted to go this way but allowed Broccoli and Hu to make me hesitate.
Out of the 3 i feel like Hu has the best chance of rolling scum.

VOTE: Hu Tao

My question is why are you only looking in these 3?

Can you do me a favor and look at all the slots that are sort of in the background (off the top of my head, Keyleth, Roden maybe, Andres, maybe someone else) and say if you think there's scum there? And also have a look at the case I made for Elements.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Yeah I might as well claim since it's so implied ay this point. I did soft a PR yesterday when I said:

If it saves us time since we are approaching Deadline, I can go ahead and claim now before we waste time on a wagon on me.

At the time it seemed like I was about to get wagoned and we were getting close to deadline. I didn't want to waste time wagoning me into a claim, then have it dismantle and turn into a panic situation before deadline.

I'm a Town Role Cop. My original plans were to investigate Dunn or Kyouko and confirm their miller status. After Hu Tao's claim, I debated real hard over night on whether I should still check one of the millers or her. I ended up going with Hu Tao and got "Vanilla" back. Someone else dropped crumbs that apparently only I saw that makes me think there are other protectives.

welp

There's a reason I said you don't have to reveal it today

Oh well.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

You made this post and I wonder how you could reply to this without realizing Hu Tao was a Doctor claim:

Celebloki claimed role cop and claimed that Hu is Vanilla. Pay attention, please.
This could be scum disconnected from game. I got my eyes on you.

I think you are the one who is confused here.

Naerys is scum I believe. I might be willing to go there over element's today. Thoughts?

Nah

I think it's not scum indicative for her to have bad logic.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Yeah well not my best play i admit. I am bouncing between you and Cele bcz idk whom to trust. Nurse i believe town and i am inclined to listen to him. This whole situation is a mess. Yeah plus the fact that i kinda fell for your trap with "Cele softed protective". Either you are trying to discredit Cele or Cele is lying and is scum PR. But lol, why would scum PR oust themselves like this? With still so many people alive? More than likely scum is hiding in lurkers.
You lied, Hu Tao. Thats a fact. To get best info from this situation without mislimming potential important PR is to lim you. Or, pushing a lurkers.
It would be neat if some lurkers bothered to come here, tbh. I hate this mess and my thoughts are messed up.

It wasn't a trap though. Celeb DID soft a protective role. It's not scum indicative for HT to point thia out.

Just iso Naerys and look at her last 20 posts or so. It's waffling back and forth between whoever has the read at the moment to blend in

I am not blending in, i am hunting. And i have a habit to act chaotic as town.

This sounds like town!Naerys to me.

I got through #909. Through there, I have the game something like this:

Town
{Black, KawaiiKame}
Strong Lean Town
{Celebloki}
Lean Town
{TimmerRC, Dunnstral [Miller Claim], ‪Cat scratch fever, ‬Guillotina}
Slight Lean Town
{ssbm_Kyouko [Miller Claim], Broccoli Quest 2, Random Nurse, Naerys}
Uncertain
{Hu Tao}
Slight Lean Scum
{davesaz}
Lean Scum
{Elements, Keyleth}
Scum
{Gamma Emerald}

Spoiler: With Quotes

[Comments before end of D1]

217 - I can’t say I like the reasoning for the vote expressed here, but I don’t know that Scum openly admits to voting as a form of policy instead of just saying it was RVS. I know Celebloki is getting a lot of heat for this explanation from what I can tell, so I would just say that I don’t get SR the slot for this. I think if Scum had to explain the vote to draw the least amount of suspicion, they probably just say that it’s an RVS vote and that’s it. The extra explanation clearly isn’t angled at making themselves look good.
219 - Interestingly, I’m surprised to actually agree with this thought. It may not be entirely accurate. Still, I like the skepticism that underlies it.
285 - This may be the sort of question Scum asks to appear to be advancing the game. Or it could be genuine curiosity, not sure. If you’re asking me (and I know you’re not), there’s no definitive process that works. At the end of the day, Scum have to bullshit.
293 - I’m not a fan of this post. I would argue Kyouko didn’t seem “afraid”. They were simply trying to connect (yes, despite the vote). I don’t know if Kyouko’s Miller claim was “opportunistic” - I may have to revisit the context.
306 - I can’t say I understand this pivot. If you really believe Kyouko is trying to attack you early because they’re scared of your slot (I presume because you’re good at catching Scum), then why not keep up the pressure after they’ve collected some quick votes?
327 - I agree that Guillotina’s bursts of posts are probably +Towny. Nevertheless, I share Black’s “concern” about the switch to Celebloki there.
348 - Is this back and forth supposed to convince me that Random Nurse and Guillotina can’t be partnered?
384 - Certainly quite a bit of overlap with some of the reactions I have felt. Though the questions themselves are probably easy to fake from Scum, I’ll admit that the level of enthusiasm is probably difficult to sustain from Scum. Though that’s coming from the perspective of someone that doesn’t like playing Scum ever.
391 - I don’t think you can know this @Elements. If the pivot happened within 30 minutes, then a previous post shouldn’t have caused the switch. I would have found it more believable if Guillotina had simply said that they were

also

suspicious of Celebloki for the reasons explained.
402 - Black’s skepticism here in response to Elements claiming to not have a read of Guillotina is, in my mind, warranted.

[Reading After D1 has ended]
449 - This is far fetched. Not a particularly convincing argument from Guillotina.
468 - For reasons specified above, I don’t like this argument from Kyouko.
478 - Obviously Broccoli’s read of Gamma as Scum is negative points. To be totally fair, I don’t think I ever even had a chance to express a read there so I can understand why this opinion might be annoying.
482 - Since this doesn’t read like distancing to me, Celebloki is more often than not Town (assuming this keeps up).
484 - Since we know this is a Scum motivated wagon, these votes from Elements and Broccoli are not positives. Do I think the whole Scum Team jumped on a slot all at the same time? No.
518 - Now this is interesting. Gamma actively arguing against a vote for Guillotina in this way is either a pocket or a Partner. Will have to decide which one.
526 - I don’t know what to make of this interaction between Broccoli and Gamma. Is it too blatant for Partners?
529 - Meh. Ruling out Kyouko and Guillotina over 18 just doesn’t make any sense to me. Dunnstral and Elements could certainly be partnered. If anything, 28 is some evidence in favor of the idea that perhaps Dunn and

Gamma

are not partnered. And the way Gamma shaded Elements is clearly nothing that Scum aren’t capable of doing. This post isn’t particularly impressive.
The interaction between Gamma and Random Nurse I will admit didn’t strike me as Partners. So I would argue there’s some positives there.
536 - This probably just clears CSF for now.
546 - I do agree that Guillotina and Gamma are probably not partnered given 329. I do think that Black’s argument against Guillotina was valid, but I’m having a hard time simply ignoring the more direct interactions with Gamma.
549 - Probably Town indicative for Dunnstral (the attack on Gamma).
563 - Not great in a vacuum. Funny enough, Keyleth SR’ing one of the most widely TR’ed slots in the game is a positive for me.
565 - This certainly confirms the observation above. Also, this is a positive for Naerys - they’re reaching out to a slot that’s +Town in my book to defend another Town that’s being (wrongly) suspected.
567 - If this ended up with a vote, perhaps Broccoli and Gamma are not really partnered.
569 - I don’t know if Gamma as Scum reacts to a Partner’s suspicion this way, but it’s very convincing distancing.
581 - Then again, this feels like a bad vote. Having said that, Gamma trying to move Guillotina from Naerys to Celebloki (not directly, of course) in 582 has to be considered as a subtle defense.
592 - I’m thinking this post from davesaz is bad. I would argue it’s clearly shading a Towny, but it’s also not particularly strong. Just attacking the strength of the read.
595 - All this analysis, only to vote Town. That’s a shame. I remain in disagreement that Gamma flipping Scum spews Elements Town.
602 - This also doesn’t feel like distancing. Considering it’s a “spicy take” from Scum, I can’t imagine it’s accurate. 625 also means that the take is followed with an actual vote, which I would argue is a decent indication of it not being SvS. Also, I don’t think it’s particularly common to accuse a Partner of “bullying”.
603 - I had a good laugh at this. Timmer is again, probably just Town.

As a side note, this game feels very dense. It’s taking me a long time to parse through each page.

626 - Uh oh. Not good from Keyleth.
627 - Yeah, I can’t currently conclude that Broccoli and Gamma are trying to distance here. The use of the word “bullying” and Broccoli’s clear negative reaction to that are pretty Town indicative to me.
639 - Interesting line here from Guillotina.
640 - Now this I would actually vote. davesaz is doing the classic I see my Partner is struggling with their push, so I will argue they’re both Town in a way to protect their position.
648, 665 - We can certainly dispense with the notion that Elements and Gamma can’t be partnered.
658 - Since this is real pressure, Celebloki is probably never Scum here.
674 - It’s going to be hard to trust Kyouko in light of the set of posts culminating here.
691 - There’s something shady about this post. Arguing that your own behavior is +Town because you’re helping de-obfuscate is quite questionable.
692 - @Kyouko, I read Dunn’s post as defending Kawaii from Gamma. Now of course it doesn’t matter. Kawaii was Town, and I agree upon reading more closely that Dunn wasn’t doing that, but instead was reacting to Elements. I think there’s other reasons to believe that Dunnstral is Town in any case.
The point on Kawaii and Timmer was a bit more nuanced, I would argue. TImmerRC seemed confused like you said, and somewhat outraged, that Hu Tao had claimed VT. Kawaii then said “it’s definitely weird” which is another way of saying “it’s Scummy”, which I didn’t agree with (I don’t think Hu Tao is Scummy for claiming VT so early). At the time, I felt the way Kawaii approached the situation was Scummy. I was wrong, obviously.
696 - Though I have to read through the collection of posts here again, the case constructed by Kyouko of Celebloki is probably flawed, and should be scrutinized.
711 - This is Keyleth defending Scum and one of my biggest SRs so I can’t say I think this is great.
715 - I can’t view piling onto Celebloki here as a positive (from davesaz).
723 - I think Kyouko arguing this deep in the game that the reasoning behind an RVS vote is sufficient to justify a large wagon on a player is just a bad look. It may not be coming from Scum, admittedly. As in, why would Scum spend so much time making themselves look tunneled with the primary reason being an RVS vote? But at the time, it was the wagon with the most votes on. So that’s something to consider.
728 - I think voting Elements here is justified.
756 - If I’m being objective, I would think this is a positive from Guillotina. And also, I think Broccoli criticizing the focus on the RVS vote in 755 is a tad positive, but not to the same extent since they found a way to maintain their vote regardless. Now, Celebloki would have to be confirmed Town, but shifting away there I would argue is +Town.
766 - I would argue Dunnstral probably has the game somewhat upside down from reading this (up to that point), but I’m not thinking that’s Scummy.
783 - I would argue this is Scummy from Keyleth.
784 - This reads like a pocketing attempt to me. TR’ing the strategy put forth by Broccoli, I would argue, is being done because Broccoli TR’ed Gamma pretty strongly. My point being that I am not of the mindset that Gamma and Broccoli are partners even if Broccoli seems to have consistently defended Gamma throughout.
817 - Would like to highlight this post from davesaz. Not a good look.
822 - From my perspective, this pool for an execution is problematic since I TR all of these slots. Gotta say - definitively calling Broccoli anything this game is going to be tough (from what I’ve observed so far).
833 - This is the sort of subtle defense of a Partner I would expect to see (davesaz and Gamma, in this case).
848 - I’ll just quickly give my thoughts on Town blocks but I don’t expect to get much of a reaction to it. Town blocks are a necessary evil. Setting up a POE is key to putting Scum in a corner. I don’t think anyone is suggesting that Town blocks should be trusted forever if set up D1 (and Broccoli clearly would have lost the game that way if it wasn’t for Black’s excellent use of their role), but I don’t like these posts arguing against their use. In my experience, they can be extremely effective tools. Having said that, I understand Celebloki’s skepticism. I just think it’s misplaced.
860, 861, 863 - Hm. I started reading this sequence as potentially partners, but the fact that Gamma was completely willing to apply pressure here with a vote deflates that argument to a large extent.
867 - The AtE from Naerys is real.
873 - This is too harsh for partners (though there’s always a chance it’s deception). I’m thinking davesaz and Hu Tao are not partnered as Scum.
909 - I have a couple of broad thoughts. Firstly, Kyouko reevaluating like this is Towny. There’s a couple of things that I have picked up from Naerys that make me think the slot is maybe Town (for example, the AtE in #867). I also think that Kyouko is trying to figure out Naerys’ alignment with nuance, and it doesn’t read like fake reasoning to me. The analysis whether Naerys was being waffly with the points about the millers seems solid. I don’t think the underlying points are super strong per se, but I think it’s a bit too nuanced for Scum.

Are you saying you didn't check who was eliminated over the night, or any of the night kills at the start of the day?

If you read the spoilers, he did ,as he comments about my associations with flipped scum.

*snipped quote wall of Naerys*

I don't see this as scummy though.I think there are some logical errors related to how they interperet you and Celeboki.

Agreed.

Do you still feel like Elements is a hit Hu Tao? (My topic changing skills are amazing!)

IDK if ir's 100% scum, but it has better chance to flip scum than any of HT/Naerys/Celeb

I feel like such a clown for calling GE obvtown lol.

I also didn't read the last 20 pages of Day 1, I wonder if I should read them or just skip it all.

Somebody mentioned E-1'ing people for claims - who claimed other than Hu Tao?

You should read them all, 20 pages is a lot of content you are missing.

Fine, I might do that later but tbh I don't have a lot of time now.

Good morning, Hu Tao lied. She’s vanilla.

VOTE: Hu Tao

I know she lied but she's town anyway.

You know? how did you figure this?

I know who the real doctor is. I thought it was pretty obvious? Check my ISO.

Naerys is exactly like other games where she was town, but I don't think I've seen her as scum so it's just a weak feeling.

yep.

Since i have seen town!Tao lie about being doctor, i suppose she could be town.
I dont see what scum!Broccoli would gain from defending town!Tao - more likely he would support the easy lim. Defending Hu Tao makes sense only in case of both town or both scum. Both being scum is something to think about.

Havent finished my thoughts here, lol. Sent it by mistake.
Anyway, while faking doctor is something Hu Tao did as town, i think we need to look at her behavior since beginning. First she claims vanilla, then when she gets pushed she claims doctor. At the very best she feels untrustworthy, at the worst these are scummy moves. She could be doing it bcz she knows there are players who have seen her faking doctor as town, so she counts on that those will TR her.
Conclusion: flipping Hu gives us decent info. It solves potential Hu+Broccoli+Gamma buddies.
VOTE: Hu Tao

This is rubbish. You think broccoli was scumreading me yesterday. I was scumreading gamma. And we are all teamed?

You could be. Distancing exists, after all.

You said I claimed doctor as vanilla town before. Yet you think I scum still?

You claim Doctor as vanilla all the time under the exact same circumstances?

If I recall correctly, she did fake claim doctor while being wagoned as VT in the past

VOTE: Hu Tao

Nice naked vote there

Do you think it's scum indicative? I think it might be because I know Hu Tao's wagon is shit.

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Uh, I guess I should ask is Vanilla townie different from townie?

Because you guys keep saying Vanilla, and that isn't in my role pm.

There's no difference, and you are right that in this game it's just called "townie", but in this site the common term is "Vanilla Townie" so people use it anyway.

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There, I am caught up.

Now can we stop wagoning HT and start wagoning Elements who's been lurking since they've been caught?

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Guillotina could you please quote the posts that spew Elements town in your opinion?

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Who is?

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Well, play the game, Elementos

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pagetop!

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Is it bad to townread Kyoko for basically having the same opinions as me?

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1989 is such a laughable reaction to being asked to actually comment on the game that I do think Elements knows they’re going to get executed today.

And I presume you think it's scum, rather than town, who knows they are doomed?

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I absolutely love making fool of myself, ffs -.-
Meh, after i stop banging my head i´ll do some rereading

What is this in regard to?

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Is it bad to townread Kyoko for basically having the same opinions as me?

No I think Kyouko explained in a townier way than you tbf. Not that I think you're scum but I think I Town read her more

Damn. So more words and bigger posts = townier? Good to know.

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Anyway I still think there is/was one scum on Hu Tao's wagon and since I TR everyone else (except Naerys who's just null town), I am going to VOTE: Roden

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I absolutely love making fool of myself, ffs -.-
Meh, after i stop banging my head i´ll do some rereading

What is this in regard to?

It's the naerys thing where she's waffling based on whoever is talking at the moment. I still think she's sus but willing to overlook today

That's actually a really good way to put it.

Is it bad to townread Kyoko for basically having the same opinions as me?

No I think Kyouko explained in a townier way than you tbf. Not that I think you're scum but I think I Town read her more

Damn. So more words and bigger posts = townier? Good to know.

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Anyway I still think there is/was one scum on Hu Tao's wagon and since I TR everyone else (except Naerys who's just null town), I am going to VOTE: Roden

I guess he could be scum. Not sure

I'd still prefer elements

I'm fine with either tbh

I saw Elements wasn't gaining traction so I switched, but I'll switch back if anyone else votes Elly.

@Dave, Naerys - which of Roden/Elements would you prefer voting, and why?

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davesaz

Naerys - meta/gut on similarities to town games
Dunnstral - meta/gut difficult to explain, now seeing what was missing before
Guillotina - Strong dislike for the string of "associations" wallposts, but I saw a town indicator
ssbm_Kyouko - the Gamma meta dive could be an elaborate ruse but otherwise feels very solvy

TimmerRC - flashes of being inquisitive
Keyleth - possible that the innocence is an act but I doubt it

Random Nurse - threatening -> manipulative, in my way of thinking
Broccoli Quest 2 - I get a TMI vibe. Can't really point to anything specific without more flips
Celebloki - Role that is often scum, and scum-sided targeting decisions. Not scum with Hu Tao

Roden - Frozen slot
Elements - More POE than anything. Could be I'm biased to scumread over playstyle
Andresvmb - Would be bottom by a mile if I didn't give some credit for RL difficulty, though if I'm honest with myself the "not scumhunting" thing that I look for is probably less accurate than I think
Hu Tao - known liar, fake claims as scum a lot, possible distancing.

Also I'm mindmelding with most of these reads so I think Dave might be finally town this game

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This sounds like town!Naerys to me.

Care to give me Naerys' full meta? Are they the kind of player that I should have low expectations from?

I am not really sure what "full meta" means, but Naerys tends to semi-lurk, semi-scum hunt, and be overdefensive as town. Which is what she's been doing here.
Additionally her tone sounds similar to her town games but I actually think there's a reasonable chance she could fake that tone as scum so that's probably NAI.

I know who the real doctor is. I thought it was pretty obvious? Check my ISO.

If the doctor is anyone else other than Hu Tao, why are you defending Hu Tao?
I'm not interested in getting the doctor outted, but how did you come by this info considering Celeb is the role cop?

I'd rather not say how I know the doctor's identity.
I've been defending Hu Tao because she retracted the Doc claim (which I thought was scummy), because I believed her VT claim is real (which it probably is), because all of her posting toDay gutpinged me town a lot, and because Gamma, flipped scum, was pretty focused on limming Hu Tao yesterday (in a way that doesn't feel like bussing to me).

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If I recall correctly, she did fake claim doctor while being wagoned as VT in the past

And they've never done it as scum?

I don't think they did it the way it was done here, but even if they did, it would just be slightly scum indicative (due to meta partially nullifying it), and balanced by the other points in my above post.

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Guillotina could you please quote the posts that spew Elements town in your opinion?

Did you check my association analysis I posted on day 1? If not, then do that first.

Just did, I guess I see it. However Elements has been playing incredibly scummy today, including lurking and then soft-omgusing by riding on dave's vague SR of me.

Hu Tao - known liar, fake claims as scum a lot, possible distancing.

Can someone else confirm this?

There was one game where she mindread the cop and faked a guilty on them before they could guilty her.

Don't recall any other fake claims as scum

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I feel town is at a point where they are about to get complacent after Gamma's lucky death by making suboptimal plays.

I agree, but I think the suboptimal play is limming Hu Tao.

Can you explain why you'd oppose Roden?

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This sounds like town!Naerys to me.

Care to give me Naerys' full meta? Are they the kind of player that I should have low expectations from?

I am not really sure what "full meta" means, but Naerys tends to semi-lurk, semi-scum hunt, and be overdefensive as town. Which is what she's been doing here.
Additionally her tone sounds similar to her town games but I actually think there's a reasonable chance she could fake that tone as scum so that's probably NAI.

I know who the real doctor is. I thought it was pretty obvious? Check my ISO.

If the doctor is anyone else other than Hu Tao, why are you defending Hu Tao?
I'm not interested in getting the doctor outted, but how did you come by this info considering Celeb is the role cop?

I'd rather not say how I know the doctor's identity.
I've been defending Hu Tao because she retracted the Doc claim (which I thought was scummy), because I believed her VT claim is real (which it probably is), because all of her posting toDay gutpinged me town a lot, and because Gamma, flipped scum, was pretty focused on limming Hu Tao yesterday (in a way that doesn't feel like bussing to me).

Hu Tao retracted the Doc claim because they were investigated as Vanilla...

So what

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As I said, I believed the Day 1 VT claim

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Let me explain something.

Scum!Hu Tao would not retract the claim the way they did here. They would hard push Celebloki to a lim.

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davesaz should know what I an talking about

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Nuh uh

If you REALLY want to, we can maybe lim her tomorrow (but I'd rather she just gets investigated, because I'm sure we don't have only a singe investigation role this game).

In any case, she's not today's lim. Today we should lim scum.

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Look, I don't know how to make it any simpler for you, Nurse.

A vanilla result is not a guilty on a claimed VT.

Also, Hu Tao is not scum.

While I would quite enjoy seeing your reaction when she flips VT, I also have a desire to win this game, and therefore I am standing my ground that we should be limming scum today.

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I've been slogging through pages the past few days, I feel like I have a decent understanding of the game state at this point. I don't think it really matters if anyone town reads Hu Tao, she still faked a Doc claim and has a history of faking CC-able roles. The fact that she didn't die last night and Black did despite not claiming anything should've already been damning. The guilty from a Rolecop claim just seals it.

I also don't think her interactions with Gamma make her town, it's the opposite tbh. Nearly every game I've been in this past year has had scum hardcore cross bussing themselves even when they gain nothing from it, site meta just seems to be shifting towards that for whatever reason. I don't think it's unreasonable at all for two scum buddies to try to vote each other out in that context, especially since neither actually succeeded in doing that.

The thing about scum meta is actually a valid point. Much more than any of the other points anybody else has raised so far.

I am going to re-read their interactions with each other later today, then, and ascertain whether it's possible it was just weird bussing.

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Let me explain something.

Scum!Hu Tao would not retract the claim the way they did here. They would hard push Celebloki to a lim.

And she would have lost the thunderdome.

I'm not talking about what is optimal play for scum!Hu Tao, I'm talking about Hu Tao's playstyle as scum.

Anyway I'm looking through the combined ISO of Hu Tao/Gamma and I can kindaaaa see them distancing but I still think they are unpartnered.

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I have a valid reason to suspect Gamma and your suspicion on Gamma is OMGUS and you are casing around it. I don't like it.
So… anything else Kyouko?

Wha?

Afaict you’re scumreading me for something I didn’t even do

Gamma give me your town top 3 and your scum top 3 and why please.

Town: you, BQ, Dunn
Scum: Black, Timmer, Celeb

Role of 3 says one of Timmer/Celeb is scum. And possibly Dunn but unlikely.

Kyouko, Guillo and Nurse are 100% townspewed by Gamma.

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Roden is lurker,

i am willing to give him pass

bcz he needed to catch up a lot.

Why?

I'm not saying we should speedlim him while he's catching up, but I think we should let him catch up without giving him a pass and then see what he says.

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2) We cant trust her if she is a known fake claimer as either alignment.
The optimal play is to eliminate Hu Tao to make sure she is indeed town.

Counterpoint: If she's a known fake claimer as either alignment, her fake claim is NAI and you gotta judge her for other aspects of her play.

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To make clear where I stand:

Spewed town by gamma: Nurse, Guillo, Kyouko, Hu Tao(?), Myself (I already know I'm town but objectively I'm also spewed by interactions with Gamma)

Pretty towny: davesaz (mindmeld on reads), Celeb (guilty on HT felt organic), Dunnstral (I already forgot why but I'm pretty sure I have good reasons to TR this slot)

PoE left: Naerys, Keyleth, Roden, Elements, Andres, Timmer

Out of these I'm actually sus of Elements, Roden, Timmer. But I'm pretty sure this is not the exact scum team.

Choose your pick of which of these three to wagon, or make a case on any of the other three in the PoE, and I will vote there.

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Mainly I didn't see anything from him that made me townread him, and additionally the rule of 3 does point to him.

It's pretty weak but I don't have strong scumreads this game.

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To make clear where I stand:

Spewed town by gamma: Nurse, Guillo, Kyouko, Hu Tao(?), Myself (I already know I'm town but objectively I'm also spewed by interactions with Gamma)

Pretty towny: davesaz (mindmeld on reads), Celeb (guilty on HT felt organic), Dunnstral (I already forgot why but I'm pretty sure I have good reasons to TR this slot)

PoE left: Naerys, Keyleth, Roden, Elements, Andres, Timmer

Out of these I'm actually sus of Elements, Roden, Timmer. But I'm pretty sure this is not the exact scum team.

Choose your pick of which of these three to wagon, or make a case on any of the other three in the PoE, and I will vote there.

If it was up to me, no one would be eliminated today except for Hu Tao unless someone comes with a mech scum result on someone else.
I'm not going to delay the optimal play here, the longer Hu Tao lives the better for scum regardless of her alignment, the longer Hu Tao lives, the worse the game state will become, and it is better to eliminate her now than waiting for mylo/lylo situation to do so where we would lose if she is town.

So stop going for the suboptimal play or I'm going to have to retract my townread on you

, because I can only see scum benefiting for letting her live here. We need to know if Hu Tao is town and the only way we are finding out for sure is with her flip.

LOL

Are you THREATENING me?

I'd be down to vote Hu Tao despite my TR if it helped the game state, but not I'm not voting her on principle due to you threatening me. Reads are not punishment (or rewards). They are reads.

2) We cant trust her if she is a known fake claimer as either alignment.
The optimal play is to eliminate Hu Tao to make sure she is indeed town.

Counterpoint: If she's a known fake claimer as either alignment,

her fake claim is NAI

and you gotta judge her for

other aspects of her play

.

I'm judging her for her play in this game, the point 1 which you left out and didnt comment on.

You mean the point 1 which is explicitly about fake claiming?

1)

Hu Tao claims Doctor

under pressure and at a point she was about to be eliminated which if
a) she is scum she did it to bait out the real doctor claim.
b) she is town, she risked making the real doctor counterclaim to save herself as vanilla. Vanilla has one job and that is to cover for PRs.

If you can give me ONE reason that Hu Tao is scum that doesn't include any of the following words, I might be willing to vote her:
{claim, fake, Doctor, Vanilla, role}

If she really is scum, it shouldn't be too hard to find such a reason.

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Dave gob keyleth timmer elements andres.

Not gonna lie, it's kinda crazy that Kyouko has almost the same PoE as myself. EIther she's town and we're totally on the same page, or she's scum trying to pocket me (VERY unlikely because I didn't even see any other posts intending to pocket me). Also since she's spewed town by Gamma then she's probably just town on the same page as myself.

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I very much dislike all the posts where someone is saying "x is spewed by gamma"
seems like a very good way to lose

A. Did you read Gamma's post flip ISO?
B. Any particular association you disagree with?

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So you consider a threat that i stop townreading you? Nooice! =D

Was it NOT an attempt to bully me into submission?

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Because if it wasn't then I rescind what I said in that post

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Elements feels too active and invested

Doesn't she have like 5-6 posts this day phase? Most of which are like one liners?

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Okay it's actually closer to 15 posts

My b

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Anyway Guillo I'm not flipping scum so don't worry about proving we're not partnered lol

I know you are town anyway

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I feel it's the same few people talking. Maybe some people are coasting?

Who specifically are you feeling might be coasting?

I'm fine with roden ir elements but we should decide on one.

Same

Facts: no town PRs CCed them. Hu Tao is confirmed vanilla and can't do it again. So what's the liability now that it's said and done?

Good point actually

I was meta diving gob and noticed a pattern in his scumgames btw. He does not address his partners by name, but he does address town by name. I've seen him use "you" instead of a partner's name where it would make sense to use the name instead.

Do you mind quoting instances of this?

idk i do not have that feeling from elements at all
and you are giving me vibe of someone who is distracted and isnt focusing on game at all
So i am kinda unsure who of you 2 is better choice for lim today

Honestly I'm down to limming either one today and the other one tomorrow, barring some insane mech-related event.

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I'd prefer Roden/Elements > Dave > Timmer toDay. Won't vote Hu Tao, I think that's what scum wanted for toDay and I'm not going to join that wagon even in deadline

Can you please stop having 95% identical thoughts to me?

/playful

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@Naerys, I don't think playful means what you think it means.

It just means I am not saying it aggressively/seriously, but in a lighthearted/jokey tone.

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I was just wondering how they would be summoned from a pt unless they were already on the site and probably following along

What's a pt?

Is this a townslip?

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I actually saw that shortly after I commented on the slip but I am not sure what you meant.

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Celebloki is this the slot you saw protective softs from?

Nope. Unless this is a triple protective game, Roden should be scum.

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I believe that posts 2192 and 2193 show that gob did not react to Hu Tao's claim as if they were a doctor.

I agree

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Celeb, could you please check in this pool after Roden flips?

Naerys, Elements, Andres, Timmer, Keyleth slot


Also, any investigation role that suspects HT should investigate them, and investigation roles that do not suspect HT should probably investigate from that pool.

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Celebloki is this the slot you saw protective softs from?

Nope. Unless this is a triple protective game, Roden should be scum.

Literally just had a simple 13p that had three protectives in it

And that's why you're hard pushing Hu Tao, huh? Because you were recently in a triple protective Simple.

Also, Hu Tao fake claimed doc under the exact same circumstances in that game

Also I feel there's a dofference between a JK/BG/Doc setup and a double doc + Babysitter setup (the latter one is much stronger)

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Celebloki is this the slot you saw protective softs from?

Nope. Unless this is a triple protective game, Roden should be scum.

Literally just had a simple 13p that had three protectives in it

And that's why you're hard pushing Hu Tao, huh? Because you were recently in a triple protective Simple.

Also, Hu Tao fake claimed doc under the exact same circumstances in that game

Also I feel there's a dofference between a JK/BG/Doc setup and a double doc + Babysitter setup (the latter one is much stronger)

Excuse me, but nobody else claimed doc, right? Only Hu faked one

Excuse me, but I may or may not be a doctor.

Can we lim Roden now?

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Is there any particular reason that you think the other person softing Doc is 1) being truthful and 2) not scum?

Yes.

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[color=00BF00]Actually Roden, I might be inclined to believe your claim and that there are two doctors, if you claim fully and your modifier(s) make sense mechanically.

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Considering you didn't immediately vote out Hu Tao for fake claiming Doctor, it's pretty obvious that isn't true.

Do you realize I am the only one who continued to vote Hu Tao after she claimed doc?

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Actually Roden, I might be inclined to believe your claim and that there are two doctors, if you claim fully and your modifier(s) make sense mechanically.

Meh.

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Also Roden never answered my question.

If he believes that two doctors are plausible, how come he cites being a doctor as the reason he pushed Hu Tao?

If he believes it's implausible, well then FMPOV he's likely scum.

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Green and Hu are red team, green is pushing to lim you into me for two mislims

I am not even advocating for your lim right now, what are you talking about

In fact I might even have a tiny townlean on you

Considering you didn't immediately vote out Hu Tao for fake claiming Doctor, it's pretty obvious that isn't true.

Do you realize I am the only one who continued to vote Hu Tao after she claimed doc?

Then ur TRing hu tao makes even less sense

As I said, I never believed her doc claim. I always believed her VT claim. I am TRing her as a VT, not as a doc.

Limming elements and copping roden still solves this

Why not limming Roden and copping Elements? Is Roden your scum partner?

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Green and Hu are red team, green is pushing to lim you into me for two mislims

I am not even advocating for your lim right now, what are you talking about

In fact I might even have a tiny townlean on you

Considering you didn't immediately vote out Hu Tao for fake claiming Doctor, it's pretty obvious that isn't true.

Do you realize I am the only one who continued to vote Hu Tao after she claimed doc?

Then ur TRing hu tao makes even less sense

As I said, I never believed her doc claim. I always believed her VT claim. I am TRing her as a VT, not as a doc.

Limming elements and copping roden still solves this

Why not limming Roden and copping Elements? Is Roden your scum partner?

What?!
When and why are you maybe town leaning me?
What have I done since the start of the day?

I didn't really express that tiny townlean thing

It happened after you called out someone's fake read on you though, lemmie find it

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Elements feels too active and invested

This is such a wild take

Here

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Elements feels too active and invested

This is such a wild take

Here

And that was enough to overhaul the large list of quotes linking me to Gamma?

My scumread on you had sort of faded prior to that because I expected scum!you to react very differently to pressure, so you moved to null.

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It looks like Elements is calling you out on your fake read actually, Broccoli

To me it looks like you are opportunistically changing your read on me from "gambitting town" to "scum" (implied by the assertion my read is fake) because a towny is scumreading me.

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nvm I misread that

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Welp, I was trying to keep Guilll hidden with my claim, but oh well.

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Guillo*

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Naerys and Elements, I would greatly aporeciate if you stop sitting on your hands and doubting my every play, and instead help me vote scum.

Much love, Broccoli.

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They*

I'm outted as a he so you might as well

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Naerys and Elements, I would greatly aporeciate if you stop sitting on your hands and doubting my every play, and instead help me vote scum.

Much love, Broccoli.

The day i dont doubt you at all is the day you should worry.

I like Guillo post much more than yours

VOTE: Roden

Cyan - sounds right

Red - makes sense because I am not an actual Doctor so my claim did sound fake. But you should have realized there was a reason for it, methinks.

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Also I'm not expecting you to not doubt me at all. I am expecting you to not doubt EVERYTHING I say.

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I'd suggest rolecopping Kyouko. When a miller tries to give instructions, do something else.

Kyouko is almost certainly town

We should rolecop in Elements, Naerys, Timmer, Enchant, Andres

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Roden has been yeeted. YEETED.

YEETED!

Roden was:

Spoiler:

Welcome to game! You are a Mafia Complex Alien.

Your team-mates are [Names]. You may talk to them here during the game here].
You have the following active abilities, but may use only one per Night:

Each Night, if no other member of your faction is performing this action, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will die.
Each Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, if your target has a power role, all actions used by that player that Night, and all other actions targeted at that player that Night, will be blocked.

You win if at least one mafia member is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

The Night begins. Deadline is (expired on 2023-12-18 12:08:06).

Thank you, I will be accepting my Paragon of Scumhunters award now.

JK, I am pretty sure Dunn is the one who spotted Roden as scum, I was just the person loud enough to make sure Hu Tao isn't mislimmed.

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Green and Hu are red team, green is pushing to lim you into me for two mislims

Hmmm.

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Btw I kinda think Elements is unaligned with Roden from this:

Green and Hu are red team, green is pushing to lim you into me for two mislims

It looks like Elements is calling you out on your fake read actually, Broccoli

Though this is definitely not 100% certain.

What IS certain is that I'm even more town spewed by Roden.

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Hu Tao is definitely spewed town by Roden unless he lolbussed her while talking about how it's site meta to bus your partner with zero reason and no actual benefit.

Which would be hilarious.

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Green and Hu are red team, green is pushing to lim you into me for two mislims

Hmmm.

yeah, unsurprisingly I take that back

Unsurprisingly, I believe you.

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Btw I kinda think Elements is unaligned with Roden from this:

Green and Hu are red team, green is pushing to lim you into me for two mislims

It looks like Elements is calling you out on your fake read actually, Broccoli

Though this is definitely not 100% certain.

What IS certain is that I'm even more town spewed by Roden.

Sorry I also forgot this quote:

Elements feels too active and invested

This is such a wild take

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Hu Tao (E-7): Hu Taown
Elements (E-7): Scummy
Dunnstral (E-7): Towny
Broccoli Quest 2 (E-7): Towny
Enchant (E-7): ?
ssbm_Kyouko (E-7): Towny
TimmerRC (E-7): ?
Andresvmb (E-7): ?
Naerys (E-7): Prob town
davesaz (E-7): ?
Guillotina (E-7): Want to Town read but not sure.
Random Nurse (E-7): ?

I think as long as we vote in the questionables we win.

Do you disagree that Elements is pretty unpaired with Roden?

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I don't think it's a good idea to discuss the identity of the doctor or even whether there is a doctor or not, as that can only help scum.

Moving on, I hated Keyleth's TR of CSF's post. The fact that CSF flipped scum makes me hate it even more TBH.

VOTE: Key- Enchant

STOP PEDITING ME

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Guillotina, did you protect Celebloki?

No, it was impossible for me to protect Cele again.

Also. Full claim 2-shot Indecisive Doctor, i protected Celebloki on night 1 and Broc last night.

I also received a mod message that someone is town aligned, i will not disclose this info until they decide to claim.

Glad you got the message.

I claim 1-shot Friendly Neighbor.

WHY did you claim??? Both of you

That is SUCH a waste when Guillo was TR'd anyway and I woud never let Naerys lim go through

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Why would you target him though? He claimed doc and was very likely to die

Guillo is practically conftown atp and I can see Naerys going for the conftown and ignoring the fact that it's possible he would die.

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Fine

Can we just speedlim Enchant and then Timmer/Andres?

I guarantee 1-2 scum in this trio.

Also scum probably killed Celeb because I told Celeb to invest them. My bet is Enchant's not Vanilla.

Pedit: having an unvlaimed doc is better because then scum can't kill obvtown every night. Now they can. I have no clue why would Guillo fullclaim here.

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I don't think it's a good idea to discuss the identity of the doctor or even whether there is a doctor or not, as that can only help scum.

Moving on, I hated Keyleth's TR of CSF's post. The fact that CSF flipped scum makes me hate it even more TBH.

VOTE: Key- Enchant

STOP PEDITING ME

Guessing the important stuff came up while you were drafting this?

Yeah

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With claimed/flipped town roles there's like 2 Scum PRs I guess. If there are additional unclaimed town roles it's possible there are 3 scum PRs.

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Hu Tao (E-7): Hu Taown
Elements (E-7): Scummy
Dunnstral (E-7): Towny
Broccoli Quest 2 (E-7): Towny
Enchant (E-7): ?
ssbm_Kyouko (E-7): Towny
TimmerRC (E-7): ?
Andresvmb (E-7): ?
Naerys (E-7): Prob town
davesaz (E-7): ?
Guillotina (E-7): Want to Town read but not sure.
Random Nurse (E-7): ?

I think as long as we vote in the questionables we win.

Spewed town by Gamma: Kyo, RN, Guillo, Broc, Hu Tao (?)

Spewed town by Roden: Broc, Hu Tao, Elements (?)

Too towny to be scum (unless a master scum player): Dunn (finding Roden's bad vote on Hu Tao just doesn't come from scum I don't think), dave (good reads)

Cleared town by claim: Guillo, Naerys

PoE: Enchant, Timmer, Andres

Expanded PoE if you think my association reads are stupid (no idea why you would think that but whatever):

Same as PoE above but I guess Elements, Kyouko and Hu Tao have a small chance to contain one scum.

Anyway, Enchant/Timmer/Andres is guaranteed to contain 1-2 scum. Can we please speedlim here?

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Colored roles are flipped - does this look right so far or am I missing anything?

Babysitter Hider (NOT Combined)
Rolecop

Miller
Miller
2-Shot Indecisive Doctor
1-Shot FN
unclaimed FN
6 VTs

vs.

Complex Alien
goon

??
??

Did anyone other than Guillo claim FN visit?

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No on the speedlim.

Fine. Can we slow-lim Enchant?

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I don't think 6 have claimed VT. I know of two VT claims (Hu Tao and Enchant slot). Maybe put 4 ?? unless there are more VT claims I didn't notice in which case adjust?

I think Kyo just assumed that all non-VTs have already claimed.

Pedit: Yeah I agree, the second FN should just claim.

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Hu Tao (E-7): Scummy
Elements (E-7): Spewed town from both Gamma and Rode
Dunnstral (E-7): Towny
Broccoli Quest 2 (E-7): Spewed town from both Gamma and Rode
Enchant (E-7): Null
ssbm_Kyouko (E-7): Spewed town from Gamma
TimmerRC (E-7): Cant remember
Andresvmb (E-7): Towny
Naerys (E-7): Confirmed Town
davesaz (E-7): Cant remember
Guillotina (E-7): Town
Random Nurse (E-7): Spewed town from Gamma

Do you think the way Roden pushed Hu Tao was just scum bussing?

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Honestly if half the playerlist already claimed, I would like a full massclaim

Order:

Timmer
Andres
davesaz
Kyouko (confirm whether just miller or additional abilities)
Dunn (same as kyo)
Nurse
Broccoli



Already claimed:
Enchant - VT
Elements - VT
Hu Tao - VT
Guillo - 2 Shot indecisive doctor
Naerys - 1 shot FN

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Hu Tao (E-7): Scummy
Elements (E-7): Spewed town from both Gamma and Rode
Dunnstral (E-7): Towny
Broccoli Quest 2 (E-7): Spewed town from both Gamma and Rode
Enchant (E-7): Null
ssbm_Kyouko (E-7): Spewed town from Gamma
TimmerRC (E-7): Cant remember
Andresvmb (E-7): Towny
Naerys (E-7): Confirmed Town
davesaz (E-7): Cant remember
Guillotina (E-7): Town
Random Nurse (E-7): Spewed town from Gamma

Do you think the way Roden pushed Hu Tao was just scum bussing?

No, i just cant let go of the fact they tried to make me CC on day 1. I will never forget it.

I understand that but they did exactly that in a past town game.

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So ypu are vanilla? Just making sure

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Hu Tao (E-7): Scummy
Elements (E-7): Spewed town from both Gamma and Rode
Dunnstral (E-7): Towny
Broccoli Quest 2 (E-7): Spewed town from both Gamma and Rode
Enchant (E-7): Null
ssbm_Kyouko (E-7): Spewed town from Gamma
TimmerRC (E-7): Cant remember
Andresvmb (E-7): Towny
Naerys (E-7): Confirmed Town
davesaz (E-7): Cant remember
Guillotina (E-7): Town
Random Nurse (E-7): Spewed town from Gamma

Do you think the way Roden pushed Hu Tao was just scum bussing?

No, i just cant let go of the fact they tried to make me CC on day 1. I will never forget it.

I understand that but they did exactly that in a past town game.

I dont care. Maybe you guys let people get away with that instead of policying the slot so they stop, but i dont. If Hu is town and we reach lylo we already lost this game because i cant forget that.

I actually think we always lim Hu Tao the day before ELo unless we have a guilty on someone else or something

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Nice job on keeping this game rolling in the right direction with that lim, I'm pretty adrift at the moment in keeping up.

Since my name is naturally coming up as I'm quiet, I'll just say that I'm town and if we need to lim me to narrow the pool of potential scum left I totally get it.

I'm not exactly being a huge help as a member of the living, so if push comes to above and we need a lim target, I'll understand if I'm it.

Eta: I'm just Town. I wish I had something to do at night that's my fave.

do you have any thoughts about the game? Like who is likelier to be scum between Enchant and Andres, and why?

Is there anyone in my town reads you think I might be wrong on?

Pedit: Andres please claim or I will make sure you are policy limmed.

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Meh it could be true I guess but I’m not sure how frequent there’s games with the sort of structure that’s implied here.

Do u realize this is a Complex game

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VOTE: Andres