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VOTE: penguin power-
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I'm innocent, Mr.space police sir-
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Why not join his wagon?
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The lack of wagons aggravates me
Idk what y'all are yapping about-
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Do as I say not as I do
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Why so many questions random nurseIn post 87, Random Nurse wrote:In post 85, davesaz wrote:
PC's vote.In post 79, Random Nurse wrote: What's making you choose PC, Dave?
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you're reading too much between the linesIn post 97, Random Nurse wrote:In post 91, SmileyDude1 wrote:In post 74, Random Nurse wrote:
So, what, you're wanting some wagons to develop?
Sounds a bit suss to me.
Eh don't really agree with this. Early wagons can be illuminating in the sense that it can help glean info based on how people play around said wagons. Why do you think there sus?
Would say Brian Skies gets some town points for pointing this out in their 84 UNVOTE:
To me it just seemed like an eagerness ti get a wagon going, to get someone eliminated that isn't them. Obviously wagons have to happen for the game ti progress but being eager ti get them going just hit different.-
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Let's lim Hu TaoIn post 98, Hu Tao wrote: Hmm. I have no gut reads so far
Edit: @Nurse, you were correct to infer that I was eager to get some wagons going, but the rest was stretching it-
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personal pet peeve but could yall put giant quote walls in a spoiler
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I think y'all are putting too much emphasis on the justification behind votes when most of them are just vibes and gut
the game is still in the figuring-out-each-others phase so I'm not really expecting any vote to be based on a solid foundation. That's not to say I'm not looking for anything though, as for what I'm looking for... I'm not telling you right now-
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VOTE: Hu Tao
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I don't agree with you, let's fight-
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What inconsistencyIn post 124, StraightFlush wrote: VOTE:VOTE: yessiree
I agree that this inconsistency from him is very strange.-
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I see, but you're confusing two things here. I said I'm not expecting votes to be well justified at this stage because I saw people were putting too much emphasis on this. That's not the same as having no reads at all which is Hu's case, and kinda why I was poking at her.In post 134, StraightFlush wrote:
You say you want to get some wagons going, and you’re willing to attempt starting a wagon on someone because they won’t feed into that, but you also say you don’t expect current votes to mean much of anything since we’re still in the feel-it-out phase? Those two don’t really go together, why vote people and start wagons when they won’t mean anything yetIn post 133, yessiree wrote:
What inconsistencyIn post 124, StraightFlush wrote: VOTE:VOTE: yessiree
I agree that this inconsistency from him is very strange.
You also say in the same post that you won’t share what you’re looking for in a wagon/what your standards for voting are, which is scummy behavior in its own right imo
And I think it's pretty self-explanatory I'm obviously not telling y'all what I consider are scummy behaviours so you can do the towny thing instead the scummy thing-
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Not sure what point you're trying to make here...In post 139, Greeting wrote:
I normally consider logical and well-justified arguments as a sign of effort to resolve the game. Surely this does not mean that mafia cannot fake them, but I am far less likely to look at someone who is evidently trying to get somewhere even in the fighting-out-each-other phase.In post 116, yessiree wrote: I think y'all are putting too much emphasis on the justification behind votes when most of them are just vibes and gut
the game is still in the figuring-out-each-others phase so I'm not really expecting any vote to be based on a solid foundation. That's not to say I'm not looking for anything though, as for what I'm looking for... I'm not telling you right now-
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what if they never get up to speed? where do you draw the line? I disagree with this on a more playstyle level, being proactive (pushing and poking) is always better than being reactive (waiting for mafia to make a mistake)
if you think everyone is different in what AI-indicative behaviors they look for, I don't see why you would have an issue with me poking and prodding people? since seeing how they react to pressure is exactly how I like make reads early on
am not sure what you mean by the last part, are you saying Hu Tao is unpopular and anyone who defends her is townie?-
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what makes you think Hu Tao a LHF? She's deffo not a LHF, she's a more of a wasp nest if i say so myselfIn post 160, StraightFlush wrote:
I’m not experienced enough to speak in absolutes here, but it absolutely can be. Prodding readless people this early into D1 is a super LHF way to male yourself look like you’re doing something solvy, which benefits scumIn post 158, SmileyDude1 wrote:Spoiler: quote wall
Would you say that this behavior is AI though? Like do you think it's more just ineffective or more indicative of scum intentions in this instance?-
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Spoiler: hider soft for prosperity-
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that was not a crumb tho, I think it was a straight up claim-
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maybe he's actually a weak hider and got really excited, so latched onto the first opportunity to soft-
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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... lar_NormalIn post 244, Brian Skies wrote: Is weak variation not the normal version of hider?
weak should be part of "regular", but Imma leave it at that-
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In post 231, StraightFlush wrote:
You haven't posted much but your content has been consistently substantive so far, which I think is a towny behavior pattern early-game. You don't seem bothered by people voting you, which is also towny, and we're also mindmelding quite a bit so there might be a bit of bias thereIn post 230, Hu Tao wrote: Why am I town
I said she's a wasp nest because by poking her I've brought the heat on meIn post 243, StraightFlush wrote: Last part isn't linked to Hu Tao at all, I think you may have missed the point of that.
As for the LHF thing I just disagree. You can't become a wasp's nest as a D1 lowposter, that kind of status is reserved for high-volume people who are acting weird imo. I know a lot of people are suspicious of early lowposters by default, and I am too sometimes, but I see it as an unhealthy habit that I want to mitigate.
But I'm curious why you think lowposting and being substantive is town!AI though. Imo only scum bothers appearing be logically consistent for optics sake, while townies can be contradicting and all over the place. So personally I don't find this argument particularly compelling
You claim she's not bothered by people voting her - last I checked I'm the only one voting her and she has immediately discredited and OMGUS'ed my push, so this doesn't actually track either.-
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uncooked macaronis scare meIn post 275, Gypyx wrote: Spoiler: something very scary inside-
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MF THEY LOOK RAW-
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in hindsight I prolly shouldn't have put it out there like that, but I was reading the back and forth between Brian and PC and it was the premise to scumread PC from Brian, and I had thought that was not the caseIn post 258, SmileyDude1 wrote:
also also for posterity sake, IMO PC probs shouldn't answer this right now.In post 257, SmileyDude1 wrote:In post 248, Titus wrote: Just on this page, I see a claim of hider but I don't necessarily believe it. Different roles can fake claim. For instance, a doctor may want to fake being a hider particularly if weak.
Also i'm pretty sure no one's explicitly claimed yet btw, Yessiree has theorized that PC claimed Hider, though they haven't confirmed or denied that yet.In post 249, Hu Tao wrote: I'm so lost as to why someone claimedIn post 238, yessiree wrote: that was not a crumb tho, I think it was a straight up claim
Anyways see you later-
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htinking Brian is town here; gives off the energy from our last game where he was town and how confrontational he was. I also think he would know to have better optics as scum whereas town he would care less
liking my vote still, think I got something there. I find it a little odd how so many people seemed ready to defend Hu Tao. Could either be Hu's partner, or TMIing she's town. Think there's a good chance at hitting scum in that group-
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get generation gapped, guyIn post 301, Brian Skies wrote: I find it interesting all of the people that are voting me are people I don't know. All the people that have experience with me aren't voting me.
There's not really anything I can glean from this alignment-wise. It's just an observation I wanted to point out.-
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how does it read to you?In post 318, Political Clout wrote:
That's not at all how it reads to anyone.In post 290, PenguinPower wrote: i mean, my comment was more stating that titus' reason wasn't valid so not sure why you're quoting me-
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yes penguin corrected her but i do not think he was echoing her sentiment-
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now that we're on the same page, got any new revelation from this revelation?-
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"everyone" "gaslighting" is an oxymoron-
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beat the prod
will be catching up today at work-
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hardly his fault when you're mysterious like the dark side of the moonIn post 386, PenguinPower wrote: what
what a weird thing to double down on...you ok?In post 374, Political Clout wrote: both but to your question titus-
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In post 388, Political Clout wrote:
I wanna talk about brian but I will go back and look at it. from the the three that talked about it iirc it was yessirree. Their vote on me needs explanation too. they have hardly commented on my slot. they hard town read brian not from meta but from what I perceive as a rule of thumb on what scum might do I don't buy it.In post 379, davesaz wrote:
Finding out what, or who, you think is gaslighting.In post 347, Political Clout wrote:
Where are you going with this?In post 339, davesaz wrote:
What do you think that term means, and how does it apply to "everyone"?In post 337, Political Clout wrote: ITT everyone is gaslighting me.Spoiler:
this is your premise for scumreading brian, i found it pretty disingenuous, but it was whatever, chalked it off to early game shenanigans
but you've pretty much tunnelled on this read throughout the entire game, like everything hinges on this brian scumread of yours, and that doesn't feel like a genuine townie mindset. it feels more like scum pressured to "lock in" his scumread for appearances sake-
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you haven't seen my scum game thenIn post 400, StraightFlush wrote: UNVOTE:
I have reached the conclusion that if Brian is scum, then he is an inconceivably bad player. I am not ready to make that assumption.-
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In post 417, Hu Tao wrote: Straightflush/yessireee prob has at least 1 scumIn post 419, Hu Tao wrote: Okay I'm going back to my read of Brian might be scum if Yessir is town. So I'm OK with voting out Brian
VOTE: brianthis makes sense
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I think Hu Tao just living life on fast forward-
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interesting cause thats how i feel about PC in that whole back and forth between themIn post 436, SmileyDude1 wrote: Conclusion: I don't think Brian's PC read is real. I feel like if they were voting PC for AI behavior specifically, they'd have been more likely to allude to that at some point before their argument, and their interaction with PC before they stated the reason they voted there doesn't feel like it was approached in the manner I'd expect if they harbored a preexisting scumlean/scumread of the slot. This feels like it's a justification made in post in response to PC pressuring them to me.
i think we just have fundamental differences in what we consider scummy/townie, but part of my townraed on brian also comes from the last game so theres a bit of meta involved. Things like being confrontational and assertive early on, being critical of the gamestate as time goes on, etc-
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oh, i dropped this /sIn post 452, StraightFlush wrote:
How do you figure? I'm finding HT's reads increasingly hard to follow.In post 449, yessiree wrote:In post 417, Hu Tao wrote: Straightflush/yessireee prob has at least 1 scumIn post 419, Hu Tao wrote: Okay I'm going back to my read of Brian might be scum if Yessir is town. So I'm OK with voting out Brian
VOTE: brianthis makes sense
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Not you too ...In post 458, PenguinPower wrote:
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hardly his fault when you're mysterious like the dark side of the moonIn post 386, PenguinPower wrote: what
what a weird thing to double down on...you ok?In post 374, Political Clout wrote: both but to your question titus
Literally was quite explicit as to the meaning.
I need to start marking my posts with /s-
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viewtopic.php?t=92350In post 459, BlackStar wrote:
Can you post that game?In post 451, yessiree wrote:
interesting cause thats how i feel about PC in that whole back and forth between themIn post 436, SmileyDude1 wrote: Conclusion: I don't think Brian's PC read is real. I feel like if they were voting PC for AI behavior specifically, they'd have been more likely to allude to that at some point before their argument, and their interaction with PC before they stated the reason they voted there doesn't feel like it was approached in the manner I'd expect if they harbored a preexisting scumlean/scumread of the slot. This feels like it's a justification made in post in response to PC pressuring them to me.
i think we just have fundamental differences in what we consider scummy/townie, butpart of my townraed on brian also comes from the last game so theres a bit of meta involved. Things like being confrontational and assertive early on, being critical of the gamestate as time goes on, etc-
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In post 462, Hu Tao wrote:
It does. In my mind.In post 449, yessiree wrote:In post 417, Hu Tao wrote: Straightflush/yessireee prob has at least 1 scumIn post 419, Hu Tao wrote: Okay I'm going back to my read of Brian might be scum if Yessir is town. So I'm OK with voting out Brian
VOTE: brianthis makes sense
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the speed of the Greeting wagon makes me think he's probably not scum here-
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alright, you've convinced me-
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well iirc your wagon had the most resistanceIn post 517, Random Nurse wrote:In post 514, StraightFlush wrote:
This is a strange question to ask as your first real involvement with the game in forever. What’s the intent here?In post 510, Random Nurse wrote: Which wagon so far has had the most resistance?
I haven't been involved with this game because I'm actually busy. If you want to try and use that against me I will basically devour you alive. I'm trying to get back into this game because I have a rare pocket of nothing happening on the hospital floor, so kindly back off and let me play.
Now, when I ask which wagon has the most resistance the reason I ask that is because it's USUALLY a tell on who may be Town or Scum. It also helps me get back into the game, in general, when I've been off for a long while and am lost on how to get back into the game.
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it's a combination of sheeping your read on greeting + other wagons were stale, I don't think a lot can be gleaned from thatIn post 501, SmileyDude1 wrote:
admittedly had slight paranoia creeped in for a sec myself, though I think given the amount of time left, it's semi-inevitable that new wagons are going to coalesce fast here so it feels NAI to me.In post 497, yessiree wrote: the speed of the Greeting wagon makes me think he's probably not scum here
Think the better metric to judge it on would be judging based on who hopped on the wagon and seeing if motivations make sense, do you see any inconsistencies there?-
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Aight, Greeting can go ahead and claim-
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VOTE: Greeting
let's just get this over with
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join the clubIn post 557, Random Nurse wrote: HEY, you forgot SOMEONE.-
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she feels least good about youIn post 567, PenguinPower wrote: Why do you feel good about me?-
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how so?In post 584, Hu Tao wrote: And bad end of day-
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Ehh, it coulda gone either way. Greeting was a nothing slot.
I don't have that kind of patience-
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And I'd do it agane!!-
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I'll fight all y'all
That hammer was town
That flip was not part of the script-
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