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Oh shizz the game started while I was oversleeping
Hiya folks, I’m traveling today so activity should be horribly inconsistent. Looking forward to getting unreasonably paranoid about all of you#Rule6KillsBabies-
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VOTE:VOTE: yessiree
I agree that this inconsistency from him is very strange.#Rule6KillsBabies-
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You say you want to get some wagons going, and you’re willing to attempt starting a wagon on someone because they won’t feed into that, but you also say you don’t expect current votes to mean much of anything since we’re still in the feel-it-out phase? Those two don’t really go together, why vote people and start wagons when they won’t mean anything yetIn post 133, yessiree wrote:
What inconsistencyIn post 124, StraightFlush wrote: VOTE:VOTE: yessiree
I agree that this inconsistency from him is very strange.
You also say in the same post that you won’t share what you’re looking for in a wagon/what your standards for voting are, which is scummy behavior in its own right imo#Rule6KillsBabies-
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I've never gotten the appeal behind using votes to "poke" people personally. Let them get up to speed on their own. At the time Hu said they had no reads, I also happened to not have any reads yetIn post 135, yessiree wrote:
I see, but you're confusing two things here. I said I'm not expecting votes to be well justified at this stage because I saw people were putting too much emphasis on this. That's not the same as having no reads at all which is Hu's case, and kinda why I was poking at her.In post 134, StraightFlush wrote:
You say you want to get some wagons going, and you’re willing to attempt starting a wagon on someone because they won’t feed into that, but you also say you don’t expect current votes to mean much of anything since we’re still in the feel-it-out phase? Those two don’t really go together, why vote people and start wagons when they won’t mean anything yetIn post 133, yessiree wrote:
What inconsistencyIn post 124, StraightFlush wrote: VOTE:VOTE: yessiree
I agree that this inconsistency from him is very strange.
You also say in the same post that you won’t share what you’re looking for in a wagon/what your standards for voting are, which is scummy behavior in its own right imo
And I think it's pretty self-explanatory I'm obviously not telling y'all what I consider are scummy behaviours so you can do the towny thing instead the scummy thing
Come now, it's not realistic for mafia to kowtow to everyone's townie standards at once. I think all of us here are different enough in what we look for in order for that to be the case, so honesty is almost certainly the best policy. Personally, I think the towniest thing someone can do is defend a person who's currently unpopular with a well-reasoned argument#Rule6KillsBabies-
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That's a bit of a stretch.In post 143, davesaz wrote:
Umm, are you saying you're mafia?In post 141, StraightFlush wrote: Come now, it's not realistic for mafia to kowtow to everyone's townie standards at once.#Rule6KillsBabies-
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I’m not experienced enough to speak in absolutes here, but it absolutely can be. Prodding readless people this early into D1 is a super LHF way to male yourself look like you’re doing something solvy, which benefits scumIn post 158, SmileyDude1 wrote:Spoiler: quote wall
Would you say that this behavior is AI though? Like do you think it's more just ineffective or more indicative of scum intentions in this instance?#Rule6KillsBabies-
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(yes I know the irony of my word choice in the first sentence, but you get the point I’m trying to make lol. Can’t say it absolutely is AI, but it can be)#Rule6KillsBabies-
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I don't understand this question, or the conclusion you're getting. I told yess that it's unproductive for him to hide his thoughts on people/standards for voting someone, because we're probably all different enough that mafia won't be able to fit everyone's preferred townie image at once. Judging by how left-field your response is, I can only assume that you misunderstood the conversation.In post 163, davesaz wrote: snip
Who are you referring to when you say it's not realistic for mafia to kowtow? Why use "mafia" there and not "town" or "players"?
I don't generally agree with the notion of "slips", but this feels like there is a subtle mafia point of view aspect to the post.#Rule6KillsBabies-
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Because Smiley asked for my opinion? If I'm not 100% sure about something I think, I'll say so; that situation shouldn't disqualify things from deserving to be said.In post 165, BlackStar wrote:In post 160, StraightFlush wrote:
I’m not experienced enough to speak in absolutes here, but it absolutely can be. Prodding readless people this early into D1 is a super LHF way to male yourself look like you’re doing something solvy, which benefits scumIn post 158, SmileyDude1 wrote:Spoiler: quote wall
Would you say that this behavior is AI though? Like do you think it's more just ineffective or more indicative of scum intentions in this instance?
I'm a little confused. What's the point of saying that something can be alignment indicative but might not be? If you don't feel strongly about it one way or the other then why mention it?In post 161, StraightFlush wrote: (yes I know the irony of my word choice in the first sentence, but you get the point I’m trying to make lol. Can’t say it absolutely is AI, but it can be)#Rule6KillsBabies-
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This exchange reads like scumdistancing imo, just a lot of worst-faith readings of each other and not a ton of substance.
For Brian, I just don't get any read on how he wants to act/what impact he wants to have on the game. The "analyzer" thing and the talk around that is especially weird.
For PC, I just think his early selfvote and posting habits since then have kinda invited this kind of argument, and there's not much benefit for him to continue engaging with it atp#Rule6KillsBabies-
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VOTE: Brian Skies
You're all over the place right now, your response to Smiley seems to confirm that you're making up reasons to hound PC as you go along.#Rule6KillsBabies-
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A lot of your responses to PC's individual comments have been needlessly antagonistic, especially in the last page and a half, and it feeds into my earlier concern about worst-faith readings of each other. Smiley brings up a good point about it being weird that the rolefishing stuff is only just coming up now, and the "analyzer" business you discussed was not at all consistent with your earlier posting in the thread, making it seem like something you made up on the spot to deflect PC's criticism. You also say that nobody really jumped on the PC wagon so you didn't push it, but multiple people besides you/PC voted him around that time so I certainly don't buy that.In post 217, Brian Skies wrote:
How so?In post 216, StraightFlush wrote: You're all over the place right now, your response to Smiley seems to confirm that you're making up reasons to hound PC as you go along.
In general you come off as someone who isn't properly showing their thought processes, and you play it off by suggesting we should all just know what you're thinking. That's not a super healthy dynamic to bring to the thread, and it feels anti-town.#Rule6KillsBabies-
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Current reads, not ordered with in categories since I don't have the braincells for it rn:
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I'm not saying "woah, that's from so long ago" about anything, that's disingenuous. The point is that it should've been discussed earlier instead of getting dredged up during a separate spat. Am I used to faster games where D1 would be done by now? Yes. Is that really coming into play here? No.In post 222, Brian Skies wrote:
What are you even talking about the rolefishing stuff 'only coming up now'? It's been two days and only 9 pages into the game. To say something from the early game is suddenly 'whoa, that's from so long ago, why is it suddenly a concern' is preposterous.In post 220, StraightFlush wrote:
A lot of your responses to PC's individual comments have been needlessly antagonistic, especially in the last page and a half, and it feeds into my earlier concern about worst-faith readings of each other. Smiley brings up a good point about it being weird that the rolefishing stuff is only just coming up now, and the "analyzer" business you discussed was not at all consistent with your earlier posting in the thread, making it seem like something you made up on the spot to deflect PC's criticism. You also say that nobody really jumped on the PC wagon so you didn't push it, but multiple people besides you/PC voted him around that time so I certainly don't buy that.In post 217, Brian Skies wrote:
How so?In post 216, StraightFlush wrote: You're all over the place right now, your response to Smiley seems to confirm that you're making up reasons to hound PC as you go along.
In general you come off as someone who isn't properly showing their thought processes, and you play it off by suggesting we should all just know what you're thinking. That's not a super healthy dynamic to bring to the thread, and it feels anti-town.
The people who jumped on the wagon were Dave and yessiree. I was hoping they saw the same thing I did, but neither of them voted for the same reason I did.And no one jumped on after me.By people jumping onto the wagon, I mean for the rolefishing. Which is what we were talking about. And we even had people say they liked the 'rolefishing' posts with no real rebuttal, which, once again, makes me think people were mostly okay with those posts.
I didn't say you should all know what I'm thinking. I even said people can ask. But there hasn't been much for me to comment on, because I don't find a lot of the discussion or what's happened alignment indicative.
What do you mean by worst-faith readings of each other?
That's a silly perspective to have about the wagon. People can be on the same wagon with different reasons for it. Just because you were the last one aboard before it fizzled out doesn't mean it was a non-starter.
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By worst-faith I mean that if I put myself in your shoes whilst talking with PC, I would probably be less standoffish, regardless of how suspicious I'd be about PC's thread behavior. I would have to make a conscious effort to react the way you reacted to his retorts, which makes me read it as contrived and anti-town.#Rule6KillsBabies-
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Nice color coding, I should try doing stuff like that on this siteIn post 225, Greeting wrote:TOWN
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Interested to hear about those takes on Dave and Nurse, not what I was expecting.#Rule6KillsBabies-
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Yeah the rest of the convo after that definitely made me come closer to your interpretationIn post 227, Greeting wrote:
I'm not at all convinced if this is scum distancing. I do think there is a decent chance of at least one scum amongst these two though.In post 212, StraightFlush wrote: This exchange reads like scumdistancing imo, just a lot of worst-faith readings of each other and not a ton of substance.
For Brian, I just don't get any read on how he wants to act/what impact he wants to have on the game. The "analyzer" thing and the talk around that is especially weird.
For PC, I just think his early selfvote and posting habits since then have kinda invited this kind of argument, and there's not much benefit for him to continue engaging with it atp#Rule6KillsBabies-
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You haven't posted much but your content has been consistently substantive so far, which I think is a towny behavior pattern early-game. You don't seem bothered by people voting you, which is also towny, and we're also mindmelding quite a bit so there might be a bit of bias thereIn post 230, Hu Tao wrote:
Why am I townIn post 221, StraightFlush wrote: Current reads, not ordered with in categories since I don't have the braincells for it rn:
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It's a "you know it when you see it" type of deal. Depends on the pace of the game; I have no experience with this slow-paced of a game (or at least one that's set up like that), so I can't comment much further. If you find that frustratingly vague, I understand.In post 233, yessiree wrote:Spoiler:
what if they never get up to speed? where do you draw the line? I disagree with this on a more playstyle level, being proactive (pushing and poking) is always better than being reactive (waiting for mafia to make a mistake)
if you think everyone is different in what AI-indicative behaviors they look for, I don't see why you would have an issue with me poking and prodding people? since seeing how they react to pressure is exactly how I like make reads early on
am not sure what you mean by the last part, are you saying Hu Tao is unpopular and anyone who defends her is townie?
I'm just sharing my thoughts, you don't need to change your whole playstyle because I criticized it. Sorry if I implied I thought that.
Last part isn't linked to Hu Tao at all, I think you may have missed the point of that.
As for the LHF thing I just disagree. You can't become a wasp's nest as a D1 lowposter, that kind of status is reserved for high-volume people who are acting weird imo. I know a lot of people are suspicious of early lowposters by default, and I am too sometimes, but I see it as an unhealthy habit that I want to mitigate.#Rule6KillsBabies-
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PenguinPower I can’t get a proper impression of you at all, what are your wider thoughts on the game rn#Rule6KillsBabies-
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Your honor, I move that Titus’ suggestion be stricken from the record
(serious take: I respect people who don’t like voting completely new players D1, but returning players with 10k+ posts? Cmon)#Rule6KillsBabies-
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+1 to this, your own standards > someone else’s meta when it comes to making reads.In post 303, KayJayQueue wrote: All that means in my case is that I’m not basing my vote on meta in any way. Just what I see with my own eyes in this game.#Rule6KillsBabies-
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That's not how I read it at all. I thought Penguin was pointing that out as if to say "even if I share your sentiment, it's not relevant here bc it's not his first game back. Therefore I'm still willing to vote him if I think it's good"In post 322, Political Clout wrote:In post 283, PenguinPower wrote:
good - this is his second game back in ages.In post 282, Titus wrote: Not really interested in limming bs day 1 on his first game back in ages.it reads exactly how it's typed out
good - as in that's a good point it's a good post it's a good thing
it's his second game back in ages - correcting them and then repeating the sentiment.#Rule6KillsBabies-
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Of course it's hard to prove that viewpoint when Penguin seems to have no intention of voting Brian regardless but I digress#Rule6KillsBabies-
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Are you sure? I'm pretty sure all three of us are on page 14In post 328, Political Clout wrote:
I don't think we're on the same page.In post 327, yessiree wrote: now that we're on the same page, got any new revelation from this revelation?#Rule6KillsBabies-
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I disagree with the premise of this vote. Nurse has been inactive for a while for unknown reasons to the point of a modprod, and we've had zero chance to see them catch up to important thread activities like the Brian wagon, the whole PC v. Brian thing, Titus actually doing stuff, etc. Not really reasonable to go here until he's engaged againIn post 335, Greeting wrote:
I thinkIn post 334, KayJayQueue wrote:
What do you think a better vote is?In post 333, Greeting wrote: Then again, I feel icky about jumping on theBrian Skieswagon, because I could very well see their posts coming from a townie perspective and also I feel icky about most people who already are voting them.Random Nursecontributed very little and I'm happy with that wagon building up. The posts I read while running his ISO seemed like he really had nothing to say even in the few times when he did post.
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Gm, hasn’t realized the wagons were neck and neck like that until the votals got posted. Could definitely see scum being on both
Hu Tao trying to play kingmaker with who gets hammered seems scummy, but in a “this is so obviously scummy that scum wouldn’t bother trying it” way so idk#Rule6KillsBabies-
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Gm, hasn’t realized the wagons were neck and neck like that until the votals got posted. Could definitely see scum being on both
Hu Tao trying to play kingmaker with who gets hammered seems scummy, but in a “this is so obviously scummy that scum wouldn’t bother trying it” way so idk#Rule6KillsBabies-
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If dave and I are scummates, that was some pretty clumsy distancing from him earlier when he accused me of slipping for no reasonIn post 372, Hu Tao wrote: StraightFlush fell for the bait. So he's probably scum.
I'm going to say Dave/StraightFlush/????#Rule6KillsBabies-
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Go read dave's 163 and the posts it references. As a correction, it was actually BlackStar that first suggested it but dave latched onto the idea quite quickly afterwardIn post 375, Political Clout wrote:
wait slipping on what?In post 373, StraightFlush wrote:
If dave and I are scummates, that was some pretty clumsy distancing from him earlier when he accused me of slipping for no reasonIn post 372, Hu Tao wrote: StraightFlush fell for the bait. So he's probably scum.
I'm going to say Dave/StraightFlush/????#Rule6KillsBabies-
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Ah yes, because me saying "i am town" over and over again would be so useful for convincing people that I'm townIn post 377, KayJayQueue wrote:
So you refute that you and Dave are partners but not that you’re scum. Noted!In post 373, StraightFlush wrote:
If dave and I are scummates, that was some pretty clumsy distancing from him earlier when he accused me of slipping for no reasonIn post 372, Hu Tao wrote: StraightFlush fell for the bait. So he's probably scum.
I'm going to say Dave/StraightFlush/????#Rule6KillsBabies-
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My bad, I mistook you for making a comment that was also made by dave for some reason. So yes, it was just dave making the weird accusation when I look back at the convoIn post 381, BlackStar wrote:
I never accused you of thatIn post 376, StraightFlush wrote:
Go read dave's 163 and the posts it references. As a correction, it was actually BlackStar that first suggested it but dave latched onto the idea quite quickly afterwardIn post 375, Political Clout wrote:
wait slipping on what?In post 373, StraightFlush wrote:
If dave and I are scummates, that was some pretty clumsy distancing from him earlier when he accused me of slipping for no reasonIn post 372, Hu Tao wrote: StraightFlush fell for the bait. So he's probably scum.
I'm going to say Dave/StraightFlush/????#Rule6KillsBabies-
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You say this after being party to the single biggest confrontation of the game so far, and while you're two votes away from hammer. The lack of self-awareness here is astounding.In post 391, Brian Skies wrote:
I'm actually keeping up with the game. Just not a lot of stuff that interests me.In post 387, Political Clout wrote: Brian went back into hiding after coming out of vla to thunderdome with me.
Except the part about you being the scum counterwagon. Which if true, then scum have decided they'd rather let me live, and I'm not sure how I feel about that.#Rule6KillsBabies-
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UNVOTE:
I have reached the conclusion that if Brian is scum, then he is an inconceivably bad player. I am not ready to make that assumption.#Rule6KillsBabies-
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Considering a vote on either Greeting or KayJayQueue. Perhaps Random Nurse too if he continues to get nowhere in terms of thread presence#Rule6KillsBabies-
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While I disagree with his methods/attittude to some extent, I think Penguin's desire to start a third wagon is towny atp. Targeting a null slot is often preferable to picking between wagons that you feel are TvT with some confidence.In post 427, KayJayQueue wrote:
What would be your reasoning for a vote on me?In post 426, StraightFlush wrote: Considering a vote on either Greeting or KayJayQueue. Perhaps Random Nurse too if he continues to get nowhere in terms of thread presence#Rule6KillsBabies-
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Decent list, but I find it hard to believe that Titus and yessiree could be anything resembling null at present. Perhaps a better explanation is in order.In post 434, SmileyDude1 wrote: Quick Readlist time
(Feel better about)
(Feel neutral/eh about)
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yellow= stale read, should be adapted at some point. Though depending on pertinence and inner motivation (warding off my inner lazeball), I may not get around to all of these immediately.
(Blackstar,greeting,Straightflush, Political Clout)
(PenguinPower,Titus, Yessirree, Hu Tao, KayJayQueue)
(Random Nurse, Davesaz, Brian Skies)
greeting and straight were more mind meld reads (found myself agreeing with a lot of what they were saying), that part of my brain became paranoid of (though another part of my brain thinks it may be getting influenced by recent thread events). probs my top priorities in terms of a relook.
Penguin is a case where I feel like they've done a lot to the point they probs shouldn't be in neutral but I haven't gotten around to sorting it yet. Like my gut says it feels good, but I my brain says take another look to be sure. Don't find that one to be a particularly pertinent read to sort atm though.
Nurse and Dave also could be put into stale read given both of those suspicions date back to stuff that happened a while ago now, though I don't think either has really done much since then that warrants raising them. A case of need to see more in that seense#Rule6KillsBabies-
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NAI in a vacuum but when you combine it with just how long it’s been since he was really substantive it starts to get concerning. Definitely more amenable to voting him than I would’ve been three days agoIn post 442, Greeting wrote: How do you feel about his most recent posts?#Rule6KillsBabies-
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How do you figure? I'm finding HT's reads increasingly hard to follow.In post 449, yessiree wrote:In post 417, Hu Tao wrote: Straightflush/yessireee prob has at least 1 scumIn post 419, Hu Tao wrote: Okay I'm going back to my read of Brian might be scum if Yessir is town. So I'm OK with voting out Brian
VOTE: brianthis makes sense
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A bit of mindmelding here. Both reads feel like they originated from inconsequential stuff and got increasingly strong because they continued arguing, not vice versa. That's why I feel PC/Brian is probably TvT currentlyIn post 451, yessiree wrote:
interesting cause thats how i feel about PC in that whole back and forth between themIn post 436, SmileyDude1 wrote: Conclusion: I don't think Brian's PC read is real. I feel like if they were voting PC for AI behavior specifically, they'd have been more likely to allude to that at some point before their argument, and their interaction with PC before they stated the reason they voted there doesn't feel like it was approached in the manner I'd expect if they harbored a preexisting scumlean/scumread of the slot. This feels like it's a justification made in post in response to PC pressuring them to me.
i think we just have fundamental differences in what we consider scummy/townie, but part of my townraed on brian also comes from the last game so theres a bit of meta involved. Things like being confrontational and assertive early on, being critical of the gamestate as time goes on, etc#Rule6KillsBabies-
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This is a strange question to ask as your first real involvement with the game in forever. What’s the intent here?In post 510, Random Nurse wrote: Which wagon so far has had the most resistance?#Rule6KillsBabies-
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If they replaced because life happens, tough but understandable
If they're scum and ragequit, this whole game is a farce#Rule6KillsBabies-
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Alright, time for some late-night wagon analysis.
Firstly, based on the lack of a counterwagon or ANY tangible resistance to Greeting's wagon after it formed, there has to be a heavy scum presence on it imo. If we're dealing with a 10-3 setup, two mafia are on that wagon minimum. I'm willing to be pulled off this theory later if the evidence points to it, but that's what I'm proceeding on for now.
Secondly, Smiley being chosen as the NK tells us quite a bit after reading his ISO. I don't really do detailed readings and note-taking for ISOs much but you can really get a good idea of where his head was at because he was so active. Great town player tbh, let's get on with the loose analysis
Titus: As the originator of the Greeting wagon and the one who really only talked about how much they wanted to launch Greeting past a certain point in the phase, the easy thing to do is point the finger at him. However, I think it's unlikely atp because of how they handled their post-VLA thread presence. They were the lowest poster by far and exclusively tunnelled Greeting past a certain point, which is extremely nooby scumplay and not something I'd expect from anyone in this game, not even myself. I think they were more convinced than most of us that PC/Brian was TvT, but remember that MOST OF US WERE WILLING TO BELIEVE THAT PC/BRIAN WAS TVT REGARDLESS. To the point that we turboed them with no CW. So it's hard to blame Titus for their position.
Me: I was the first to sheep Titus. I look sus. If you scumread Titus or me separately, this probably makes us look more sus. However, I maintain that I am town.
BlackStar: This guy keeps setting off alarm bells for me and this is the loudest one. He was not the FIRST to sheep Greeting, but the SECOND person, which is much better optics from a scum POV. He also didn't have any visible progression from sussing one of PC or Brian to being convinced enough about Greeting to turbo them MINUTES after the opportunity showed itself. His TP in general has also felt kinda sparse, like a lot of his interactions are just single posts spread out by about 12 hours to the point that he rarely ends up appearing in the same conversation more than once. Feels like scum trying to spread themselves out and seem more active/solvy than they actually are.
PenguinPower: Very hard to read for me, I think their thread behavior is broadly deserving of a scumlean because they were active during RVS then fell off slightly, and they also hopped on literally everyone who had anything resembling a wagon during the course of the phase. But their actual behavior within their posts makes them difficult to nail down. Not my first choice for a vote but scum!Penguin would fit kinda neatly into my hypothesis. Would be interested to see others' reads on this slot.
Davesaz: Null slot, not enough content despite no VLA. Some call that scummy in itself but he made vague references to being busy IRL so I'd leave it be for now. His few posted thoughts have been kinda scattered across topics and unclear with their intent (like with his allusions about the AIness of the rolefishing stuff and my alleged "scumslip"), so I can't really know where his headspace is at. True neutral, wouldn't be surprised at scum or town atp
SmileyDude1: He's fucking dead lmao rip
I'll go over the off-wagon stuff briefly but FUCKING HELL IT'S 2AM WHY DID I STAY UP TO WRITE THIS HALF-ASSED SHIT
Brian Skies/KayJayQueue: Lumping them together b/c my thoughts are simple. I think their stance on the Greeting wagon and how they handled it leans towny based on the idea that they smelled a rat and wanted to chase something else. Titus in KJQ's case, PC in Brian's case. Both valid scumreads. However this could also read as distancing depending on how obvious they thought town would find the scumminess of the Greeting wagon. Hence TLs, not TRs.
Hu Tao: As horrible as they've been about explaining their scumreads on myself and Dave, I was among the first on the Greeting wagon and Dave followed later. I can't be too surprised. Seems towny because scum!HT would know I'm town and have no reason to scumread and antagonize me after I defended them earlier in the phase. Can't speak to their behavior on Dave, they might just be naturally suspicious of lowposters or think the scumslip thing was sloppy distancing.
PC: My only reasonably strong off-wagon scumread. Smiley's ISO reads to me as someone who would be very dangerous to scum!PC: someone who isn't tunneling him or even actively campaigning against him, but always keeping him in the corner of his eye throughout the phase despite its many shifts. Read for yourself and you might disagree, but I'm not feeling as good about PC now. However his D1 behavior still felt towny to me, so I'll have to reconcile that somehow.
Not voting anywhere until I hear other thoughts, my vote habits will be terrible if I just focus on my own interpretation of the flips.
Oh I forgot about yessiree. Must ISO him. Too tired. Will do later, hopefully.#Rule6KillsBabies-
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Oh yeah! You tried to hammer but epically failed as yessiree got the buzzer-beater shot. Not sure how to feel about that if you were as absent from the thread as you say you were. I’ll jot you down as mixedIn post 557, Random Nurse wrote: HEY, you forgot SOMEONE.#Rule6KillsBabies-
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Good morning... or afternoon. I've been making progress on improving my sleep schedule lately but this was a setback.
Here's a full readlist:
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Just read yessiree's ISO. I can see why the wagon is forming here.#Rule6KillsBabies-
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Because Penguin voted you and I have no clue what to make of that based on where my reads are at and it’s making me scaredIn post 606, BlackStar wrote:
You've been saying for a while now that you scum read me, so why haven't you voted for me? What are you waiting for?In post 596, StraightFlush wrote: Good morning... or afternoon. I've been making progress on improving my sleep schedule lately but this was a setback.
Here's a full readlist:
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No fucking way I just read the votecount backwardsIn post 609, PenguinPower wrote: the votecount right about you shows that statement to be inaccurate...
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When have I ever said you’re my top scumread? Sure I sussed you D1 but that was very much in the background compared to the other events happeningIn post 613, BlackStar wrote: I still don’t understand why you’ve been saying I’m your top scum read for so long but you didn’t vote for me until I asked you about it#Rule6KillsBabies-
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If you think I order my readlists by read strength, I don’t.#Rule6KillsBabies-
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400 felt like a divine revelation to me lmaoIn post 619, KayJayQueue wrote: Brian did WORK climbing that reads list!#Rule6KillsBabies-
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Where does the Penguin townread come from? What’s the deal with BlackStar? Are your opinions influenced by Smiley’s ISO at all? What do you make of Nurse attempting to hammer at the “same time” as you? Why did you hammer Greeting after heavily shading the wagon based on its speed? Why would you hammer too fast for Greeting to respond after complaining that the wagon is too fast? After reading your posts back I don’t find satisfactory explanations for anything from EoD and this readlist doesn’t quite click for me.In post 627, yessiree wrote: Town
Brian Skies
KayJayQueue
PenguinPower
Random Nurse
BlackStar
davesaz
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StraightFlush
Political Clout
Hu Tao
Scum
Anyway, where my head is at. I'm ok with limming any 1 of the bottom 3#Rule6KillsBabies-
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If you’re referring to 621, that came off to me as only half-serious bordering on shitposty, which would line up with most of your posts. I don’t acknowledge that stuff when I’m not in a fluffy mood.In post 635, PenguinPower wrote:
Would be nice if he answered those directed toward him before asking a paragraph’s worth of his own.In post 632, yessiree wrote: One question at a time buddy#Rule6KillsBabies-
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You are now, why else would I be voting for you. Reading my SoD wallpost makes any other reading impossible; if you read back, you’ll notice that my objection yesterday was limited to you thinking it had been that way since D1 based on an ordering system that actually meant nothing.In post 642, BlackStar wrote:
I’m also interested in finding out who his top scum read isIn post 635, PenguinPower wrote:
Would be nice if he answered those directed toward him before asking a paragraph’s worth of his own.In post 632, yessiree wrote: One question at a time buddy#Rule6KillsBabies-
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You hven’t asked anything that hasn’t been explained well enough in the last few pages buddy#Rule6KillsBabies-
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Dude this is a bad-faith reading of events and you know it, get the OMGUS out of my face. And you have the fucking gall to whinge about authenticity.#Rule6KillsBabies-
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And penguin sheeps him. This is doing so much to confirm that at least one of you is scum#Rule6KillsBabies-
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Does 608-611 mean nothing to you?In post 652, BlackStar wrote: The moment that I question you about this you finally vote for me
Also I assume your nonsense is mainly based on my 614, but the only thing I say there is that I have never SAID you were my top scumread, not that you aren’t it currently. Even in my wallpost where I outline the case against you, I don’t actually say that and that should be worth noting. Your interpretation reads more like scum insecurity about how much you’re being sussed, to the point that you need clarification form me in order to adjust your behavior accordingly.#Rule6KillsBabies-
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If you think my framing of this is scummy I can see why, so go off I guess. But that doesn’t change the fact that your view, and thus your vote, is derived from a bad reading.#Rule6KillsBabies-
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