Not this again lol. VOTE: DrewIn post 4, Doctor Drew wrote: I have so many jokey RVS posts I can make, this is sensory overload.
VOTE: Defective Furtive right? Everyone check out their wiki lol
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Real classy guys, starting while I'm sleeping.
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Under further scrutiny, stealing is illegal, and ipso facto only criminals steal jokes. And the Mafia are criminals, so it stands to reason that stealers are Mafia. VOTE: DeiIn post 6, Dei Ex Machina wrote:SUPCLODPOLES,I'MTHEJESTERANDI'MHERETOTROLLTHEFECALMATTEROUTOFTHISGAME!
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No joke, I just tried playing chess against chatCPG and it's absolutely hilarious, like literally the first moves black made were capturing one of its own pawns with the knight, and then moving that same pawn.In post 21, BloodB0t wrote:-
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So Drew is Mafia 'cause of his sig, got'im.
Page 1 Analysis WITHOUT SIGS:
Spoiler: prompt
It is difficult to definitively determine the alignments of these players based on the information given. The posts contain a mix of humor, strategy talk, and personal interactions, making it challenging to make an accurate assessment. However, some players appear to be targeting others, such as Doctor Drew's focus on Defective Agency, while others seem to be working together, like Porkens's focus on working with the Town to uncover the Mafia.
It is important to keep in mind that in games of Mafia, players often feign being one alignment while actually being the opposite, in order to mislead other players and avoid suspicion. So, it's possible that some players' true alignments may be different from what their posts suggest.
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Try to get it play tic-tac-toe. Spoiler: it's a complete dumbass at playing games.
Just to be clear, is that serious?
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I assume the AI got confused by Drew's sigIn post 45, Nancy Drew 39 wrote: Hectic is in this game?
'This might be the first game where I'm townreading Doctor Drew. Not sure if that's a good or bad sign considering he was town the previous 2 times' - Hectic
'Like I am trying to not be a tunnelly asshole Drew but my patience is running thin' - Titus
'ok just make sure to fuck them, preferably not us pls (人>ω<)' - Morning Tweet-
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It probably can't, but it's funny to ask it and see what it conjures up.
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By the way, if it wasn't obvious, Captain Obvious here is ChatCPG, not meIn post 51, Defective Agency wrote: Well like duh, thank you Captain obvious wrt to the bolded but since we don’t have crystal balls here, we have nothing but their posts to go on.
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Mr. Deadly, you can have a +0.25ChatGPC wrote:As an AI language model, I do not have a physical body and therefore cannot raise my hand. But I am indeed a large language model trained by OpenAI. How can I help you today?-
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@Dei, I'm sure Glance knows why.
There is a specific thing he did that relates to a past game in a certain way.
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In post 97, Doctor Drew wrote: Me pressuring hydras is a long running joke of mine.
I actually would be interested in a serious answer to Nyx's question. Imaginality was the first one to bring up "putting pressure on hydrae" with those words (while @ing Drew), so the fact that you have that as a joke has no relevance whatsoever unless Imaginality is aware of itIn post 99, Doctor Drew wrote: Are they a hydra?andtrusts that you know that they are-
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So now I wanna hear from Drew why did they need to bring 97 up.In post 102, imaginality wrote: Never heard of Doctor Drew or the running joke.
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But I also always click preview before posting, so I don't really know-
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I mean, you ostensibly were serious-ish with your second post, since you did cast a vote for actual game-relevant reasons, mostly skipping the RVS jokesIn post 102, imaginality wrote: My vote on the hydra was rvs in that I didn't have any reason to vote them based on play (it was page 1!) but motivated in that I dislike playing with hydras. I just find them hard to read (also because I generally don't know the meta of the players in them) plus some of them post too much.
So I figure seeing how they react to a wagon on them could help with reading them plus given the choice between catching a scum solo player and a scum hydra I'd rather the latter.
Never heard of Doctor Drew or the running joke.
I don't see posting chatGPT answers as copying Porkens' gimmick in this particular game (if Porkens does that in other games then it would be if someone does it there).
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So you saw the part about hydrae, but somehow entirely relinquished to read the sentence immediately before that clearly indicated who was being talked about?In post 97, Doctor Drew wrote:
Me pressuring hydras is a long running joke of mine.In post 95, Dei Ex Machina wrote:I don't find early-game seriousness or silliness to be AI. It has more to do with playstyle in my experience. I suppose it's fair enough if you do though.
Even then, I don't think you can apply that to imaginality's posting.Their only serious comment so far has been the one about putting hydras under pressure.
You may have a point here.
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Alright then, but if that's the case don't pretend it's Nyx who wasn't clear, she did explicitly say who she was talking aboutIn post 109, Doctor Drew wrote: Nyx, your color scheme posting style is confusing, just throwing that out there.
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I'd guess it isn't truly neutral, no. By the way, I'm also unconvinced that chatgpt would be naturally as forceful as in 61 in advocating for the usefulness of its own use, but the fact is that one can easily get it to espouse pretty much any position by tinkering with the prompt. That is fine; Porkens announced that they meant to use this gimmick already while the game was in the queue, so clearly it's not AI that they are doing this. I am a little nervous that, if they're scum, this may give them somewhat of a weird advantage in that, if they post something wolfy, they may just rebut that it's the AI's doing, so I would kindly request that they also provide us the prompts they use if they wish to keep the gimmickIn post 96, Porkens wrote: Porkens is a dedicated method player in mafia games and will not abandon his persona under any circumstances. Those who target him for using chatgpt are disregarding a valid play style and strategy. Porkens is developing keen insights and will remain an effective and substantial participant in the game.-
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In post 117, imaginality wrote:Spoiler: chatGPT setup spec
Jeepers!
Let's hope NotMafia really did iterate the setup a bit as per rule 2. ("Balance is not guaranteed, I have attempted to make the game as balanced as possible but am limited by what Open Chat GPT can or will generate.")
Also, an important heads-up to people posting chatGPT content, it used the L-word in its answers to me until I told it not to. Something to watch out for
Do note that thereIn queue, Not_Mafia wrote:Set-up is 9-3-1, mafia has daytalk. Set-up was made by Open ChatGPT with prompts by me, roles have been renamed in line with mafiascum nomenclatureisa third party.
What third parties, beside town and mafia, could be added to a setup?
There are various third-party roles that could be added to a Mafia setup, including:
Serial Killer - A player who tries to eliminate everyone else in the game, including both the Town and the Mafia.
Jester - A player who wins if they are eliminated by the Town during the day.
Survivor - A player who wins if they are alive at the end of the game, regardless of which team wins.
Vampire - A player who can turn other players into Vampires and eliminate them at night.
Cult Leader - A player who can convert other players to their cult and eliminate them at night.
These are just a few examples, and there are many other third-party roles that can be added to a Mafia setup to make the game more complex and interesting.
So it seems to think that the Cult is actually a cultafia, so if there is any semblance of balance I strongly doubt there can be one. Unless NM interpreted it as being a standard cult instead.
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I'm not sure that it's true, it's quite plausible that he's trying to get the bot to say what he means it to by manipulating the prompt. In which case the bot would say things in line with Porkens' opinions.In post 137, Menalque wrote: Porkens is basically RPing only more extremely bc he’s not thinking about the game he’s just parroting what the bot says to him
Of course that's why I want Porkens to also post the prompts he's using, instead of just the bot's response-
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Why are you answering to that question? Not only it was for Imaginality, but you did not signal in this thread any actual averseness to hydrae, so it shouldn't even be relevant to you-
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Mhm.
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Sorry, I may have come across a little abrasive. Didn't mean to anger you.In post 163, Doctor Drew wrote: I got a bit angry about it initially, but let it go when I thought about it since I didn't think it was coming from a scum mindset.
Yes, the mhm is me expressing doubt. And yes, the though of b0t/imaginality floated my mind.In post 168, Morning Tweet wrote:
I think I see what you're talking anbout. Like the "Mhm."? I didn't interpret bianco's post like that but i can kiiiiiiiiiind of see the threadsIn post 165, BloodB0t wrote: I just thought 154 was a little weird like bianco was implying imaginality was my partner. [...]
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the "mhm" kind of comes across like a "I might not believe you" if I squint a little
I still think it's a weird comment to make even if you think bianco is saying they suspect you/imaginality, but i think i get what you were talkinjg abt now
Should be 3 and one 3p, at least per the queue post.In post 185, Defective Agency wrote: How many scums are we thinking because if it's 3 I've already found them all
Maybe not but I've got it down to [Dei Ex Machina, imaginality, narrow parking, Menalque, Porkens]
Also, I somewhat disagree with that list. Are Dei there chiefly just because of their KT vote?
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@Porkens, does the content of this whole '''song''' have any actual game-relevance that aligns with opinions you (personally, and not the AI) hold?
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I'd guess MT was on your "lazy hunting" comment. I read it differently, but just to clarify, was it supposed to be a question perhaps?In post 182, Defective Agency wrote:
This contribution feels +scum.In post 176, narrow parking wrote:
this is lazy hunting imo what makes it --EV townIn post 127, KittyTacky wrote: Porkens' gimmick is mildly anti-town imo, particularly if they keep it up after earlygame. I think it's only slightly scummy at this point tho.
bianco is town imo, on vibes.
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Yeah, no, that's not it, I believe Porkens. Nobody here thinks that AI is a mastermind, and most importantly nobody who read the GD thread could possibly think that it was decent at Mafia stuff, and Porkens surely realizes that. BTW, it was anti-town because it essentially obfuscated who said what, not because it evoked a veneer of authoritativeness.In post 239, Dei Ex Machina wrote: Huh, you're right, looking back it did have some "trust me, I'm a useful AI!"-vibe lines, which I had clearly mostly just tuned out
Do you think that would have actually worked out, though? Like, a few people in this playerlist seem to understand that ChatGPT is unreliable, and I guess the rest have worked it out quite quickly. Not trying to question the fact the posting is a bit anti town, but if that was Porkens's plan it just sounds a bit exotic and liable to fall apart immediately.
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Right, since this keeps being talked about, I'll chime on it. For one thing, if there is some glaring differences I would be interested to know too, and it would also not appropriate to try to put forth self-meta myself, so I will not talk of the content of what is being asked and just focus on the form.In post 246, BloodB0t wrote: On Menalque, I thought asking "Show me where bianco isn't being natural and genuine in 1086" would make more sense. And for some reason specifically asking for 3 posts seemed weird to me. My read on Menalque is mostly based on vibes and that question for me was the tipping point for me to want to articulate it, but I'm not always good at articulating good reasons for my reads even though they can be right while nobody else sees it.
Menalque asked specifically for (3) posts fromherethat would have been out of placethere. Supposedly I'm being more natural here, so the direction seems wrong -- after all, I don't think something may be natural and also not fit the tone, moreso as I don't think I was exceptionally awkward in 1068 (or maybe I was, idk, you tell me). And Blood, btw, is also realizing that and suggesting that looking at posts fromtherethat would be offhereworks better.-
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Why Titus specifically? She hasn't really done much yet. Notably, she was into hopping wagons, but not intoIn post 260, imaginality wrote:
Town leans:
Doctor Drew, Dei Ex Machina, Bloodb0t
Menalque
Porkens
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biancospino, Morning Tweet
Need more info:
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Defective Agencyyourwagon specifically.
I'm not sure exactly why did she need to announce that instead of just not voting there? Since you have her in your red reads, are you figuring she was just trying to distance from a town wagon to look better after your flip in case the wagon was to go through?In post 250, Titus wrote:Spoiler:
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In post 269, GrandpaMo wrote: tldr; im a good prompt engineer for chatgpt, so if you want chatgpt to say anything, please tell me to do so, i can do it for u.
There is some contradiction here, chatgpt-generated content is clearly not just random as, per your own admission, one can coach it to say wathever.In post 275, GrandpaMo wrote: the other posts i didnt mention, were all generated by chatgpt and is just rng subjectivity.
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UNVOTE:
I don't like the last posts of Blood. The Titus comment looks appeasing. Also the comment on Mena is just weird -- @blood, what relevance do you think the absence of votes has? Do you think there is some blatant reason why people should be voting there but yet haven't?
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Tbh I'm still quite unconvinced on Imaginality. There is something that rubs me in the wrong way about 155, even in context, but I may just be in a tunnel.
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Then why did you see the need to say that?
Can you name your top SRs?
Really theatrical statement right there, quite the suspense. Is there a reason you actually need to wait till the end of the day?In post 366, GrandpaMo wrote: also i will probably role reveal my role at the end of this day because i feel like it necessary for town to know what my role is to get perspective on the rest of the game.-
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In post 369, BloodB0t wrote: I agree that I look like flailing scum and that it makes sense for Mo to think that.
I wanted to hear from imaginality on TRing me but he's my top scum right now, followed by Porkens. Slight scum on titus and narrowparking.In post 383, BloodB0t wrote:
This is false. I townread people who I thought were somehow picking up on the quality of my posts being poor because of lack of effort. Never once have I mentioned quantity. Hence mischaracterization.In post 374, GrandpaMo wrote: so people u are twmownreading because u agree with their consensus on you that you aren't posting
Pressure is fine and what I expected, I'm okay with being limmed D1.
Ok, so the bolded would mean something pretty soecific. You are implying that GM is trying to deceit Blood into thinking their read on GM were for reasons other than the ones they held at the time and think to have held; but to me it doesn't seem to be the case, if anything it seem to be a faithful, if agressive, outline. Since you made the accusation, surely you have an idea as for why it would be to GM's interest to manipulate Blood as such?In post 434, narrow parking wrote:
this feels townIn post 393, GrandpaMo wrote: im not misunderstanding u nor ur misunderstanding me. i dont think there is anything for us to misunderstand here. u called me town because i was scumreading u for the right reasons. i continue to reaffirm that. u then call me scum because u think i was saying something different. i keep telling u what i mean and meant. i am still scumreading u for the original reason that u sounded like flailing scum and ur recent posts have been scummy. do u understanad? or do u need more clarification?but also very gaslightyfor some reason-
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Ok, thanks, I just don't agree with the word choice then. [6] is the more appealing of your points I think thou, that is confrontational and it does levy an implied accusation of disonesty. Still not gasligthing by the way I interpret the word, and frankly I don't like the use of such heavily charged lexon but wathever-
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KT has mostly talked about chatcpg&porkens all game. Do you think it could possibly be theater? I think not, he latched on it for longer than due but relenting a bit after Porkens stopped their schtick made it not seem coordinatedIn post 480, Dei Ex Machina wrote:
I support putting our vote here (though I am not going to speak in terms of "wanting to yeet" anyone at this point). 219 and 255 did feel a bit disingenuous, and when I asked KittyTacky for elaboration I didn't feel that the answer wasn't very towny either.In post 440, Dei Ex Machina wrote:[...]
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I want to yeet Kitty but I'll see what Morta and Janus want to do with our vote.
VOTE: KittyTacky
@Kitty - let's talk. Any reads? What are your thoughts on this discussion:
Spoiler:
given the other players' reactions to the discussion? Do you think anyone was replying to you in bad faith?
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Just to be clear, are you saying that here is where you are indicating to Drew that you took them seriously on the sheep thing (and so they should've said they were joking there already)?In post 343, Titus wrote:
I'm not ready for sheeps yet. I'll let you know when I am.In post 314, Doctor Drew wrote:I promised her many moons ago that I would sheep her and have her back until proven wrong, so gonna need a real solid case on her.
To be completely honest, if Drew thought you would get the joke, then your response can be just interpreted as a continuation of it. I'm not gonna practice meta archaeology myself to fact check, so if Drew can exhume the game where they did that promise that would be great-
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Know what, I did browse a bit of your past posts filtering for mentions of Titus, and indeed I believe you that you're RPing to have a sheeppact with her, as you seem to do that pretty consistently-
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GM, let's pretend that I believe your claim. Do you know that NP is scum, or just not town?-
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Ok, and the point is?In post 613, GrandpaMo wrote: did yall forget this was an AI generated game-
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VOTE: GrandpaMo
Ok, Porkens & DEM, you seem to have understood what was Grandpa on about. So what was it? I did not grasp that at all-
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Well, apparently the chat can generate daycops of unknown reliability, which is... something for sure, but I don't think it's plausible that GrandpaMo received a daycop PM with an hidden reliability aspect? The game should not be bastard, so I hope that players were told if their reliability was dubious...
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I'm gonna just ask straight out the thing that clearly everyone wants to ask.
@red, yes/no, are you a day investigative of some sort?
I understand that GM was likely just gambiting, but I'd like to put the alternative to rest, thanks.-
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Just leaving this here.
This is MT first post which wasn't obviously rvs, btw.In post 100, Morning Tweet wrote:Spoiler: defective post
LMFAO
that is peak hydra experience. it doesnt get any more hydra than what you just described
Were they scum or town though?
VOTE: Bloodbot
In post 115, Morning Tweet wrote: The subplot where on one side, ChatGPT/Porkens says its suspicious for players to cast doubt on ChatGPT -- and on the other, bloodb0t finds Porkens suspicious for practically assimilatign with the AI, seems notable. I don't like bloodbot's repeated insistence against ChatGPT which feels ultimatley like a distraction to me. Like it mostly goes without saying that ChatGPT isn't exactly sherlock holms yet bloodb0t seems to feel the need to discredit it anyway. Poor learning modelIn post 164, Morning Tweet wrote:
What in god's name compelled bloodb0t to write this? What i mean is, why does bloodb0t care that biancospino votes imagineality here? This is a very weird postIn post 155, BloodB0t wrote: Oh no! My scum partner!
Reading it in context it still doesn't make a lot of sense to meIn post 145, BloodB0t wrote:
How so? Right now I don't feel imaginality has done much that is AI.In post 136, Defective Agency wrote: 1) imaginality's response to us is +++scum.
If you townread bianco and don't have much of an opinion on Imaginality's play.. it's a weirdly, maybe, self conscious comment to tie yourself to biancospino voting imaginalityIn post 146, BloodB0t wrote: Bianco's setup PFP and setup analysis seems towny.
Maybe I'm missing something critical here though that would make the commen t make senseIn post 168, Morning Tweet wrote:
I think I see what you're talking anbout. Like the "Mhm."? I didn't interpret bianco's post like that but i can kiiiiiiiiiind of see the threadsIn post 165, BloodB0t wrote: I just thought 154 was a little weird like bianco was implying imaginality was my partner.
Overall though I think the whole interaction is meh, I just goofed by replying to a question that wasn't for me. I still think bianco is town, imaginality is null.
Okay and I got a better understanding of the initial understanding. That post did seem like it was addressed to you because of the quote, to be fair.
the "mhm" kind of comes across like a "I might not believe you" if I squint a little
I still think it's a weird comment to make even if you think bianco is saying they suspect you/imaginality, but i think i get what you were talkinjg abt now
Here there is the unvote. The previous vote was on Blood, what is it in here that prompted the unvote?In post 305, Morning Tweet wrote: UNVOTE:
the imagineality case by defective doesnt excite me. the 4 bullet point one, you know the one
Ppl suspect imagine but there's not much being laid out, anyone care to enlighten
Mmm what could it beIn post 199, Menalque wrote: morning I have a very important question for you when you get back here next but you have to promise not to be mad at me for asking you
That's 6 of the 14 posts by MT talking about Blood at least tangentially. Much of the other stuff is about Porken's gimmick, in fact some of the first posts I've quoted here are about both.In post 478, Morning Tweet wrote: I think bloodb0ts reaction 395 is towny
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I think bloodb0t's read shifting from town -> scum -> town on Grandpa seemed genuine
Now, the progression here on Blood is naked vote -> light poking/shading -> overt tr, when the consensus seemed to have shifted, and notably the light poking comes with a side of defending Porkens, e.g. in posts 115, 164, 183; and this stopped after the shading dropped. The next notable mention of Porkens was in 656, where she throws in a somewhat hollow accusation that didn't pick up on further.
So what I may see here is that she pushed Blood when it was convenient to do so, and conveniently diminishing worries about Porkens in the process, then dropped it when she got scared that Blood was getting universally tr and finished it off with some meager iota of distancing in the end.
This isn't much reasoned perhaps, but I feel that, if MT has very little associatives with anyone else, there may be fire under the smoke.
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What it is you want me tovote: Titus?
I'm not convinced, but I'm going with the flow.
Anyway, MT stopped protecting Porkens after like 8 pages or so iirc, and it wasn't really blatant or anything, in fact some of the arguments against sring the usage of the chat was not dissimilar from my own. It stopped after it was no more convenient to do so since it was no more convenient to keep poking Blood, and the way that was done was intermingled with poking Blood.-
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Do you think this could have been theatre? It would be kind of weird. By the way, we never heard what the question would've beenIn post 305, Morning Tweet wrote:
Mmm what could it beIn post 199, Menalque wrote: morning I have a very important question for you when you get back here next but you have to promise not to be mad at me for asking you-
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Idk, my point is that it seems not to me. Otherwise I'd find weird that Mena dropped it unresolved-
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I mean, one can make the simpler argument that GM most likely could not have been a <L>er since otherwise he should have already won (and so likely have been removed from the game)In post 799, KittyTacky wrote: Actually no it managed to tell me what a <lword>er was after one reset, but considering it took this much I still doubt it.-
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I'm slacking off, yes.In post 855, Dei Ex Machina wrote: It's not enough to flip my read on the slot just yet, but I agree bianco is coasting.
@bianco, you still haven't answered our question. Why did you vote Titus if you weren't convinced she's mafia?
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As I evidently stated, I was just voting with the consensus. It's not like I'm TRing the slot either, and in fact currently my gut poe is {Porkens, KT, Titus, Mena} and I understand that there is no interest for a Porkens wagon-
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In post 876, Menalque wrote: Yeah it wasn’t kittytackyIn post 878, Menalque wrote: Oh wait I’m dumb there’s a serial killer
Yeah, Mena, I think it's fairly obvious what sort of mechanical confirmation you have. I believe you and it's probably the likeliest you're rightIn post 880, Menalque wrote: This is scum or serial killer unless the SK is gated
VOTE: KT, E-2
But there are at least two obvious alternative means for us to miss a kill. Maf and sk could have stacked. Or MT could have roleblocked the sk n1, assuming delayed means the roeblock would go in effect the following night (@mod, is this how delayed works? In particular, does a delayed action succeed even if its actor died beforehand?)-
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In post 691, furtiveglance wrote:
The setup is 9/3/1. We voted out a lurker VT yesterday, and last night a Mafia and a VT died. So we're now at 7/2/1.In post 689, redFF wrote: someone fill me in
Yeah, there's something wrong about this. Drew, why are you playing dumb about the fact that the literal first thing Red was told ingame was about the setup?In post 919, Doctor Drew wrote:
Red pretending he didn't catch up on the game.In post 918, redFF wrote: dr drew pretending he didn't know there is a 3p
You clearly read the setup, so why play dumb about catching up on the game that you subbed into?-
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I don't think it's purely a gutread. I thought about it some and there is at least one credible scenario I see in which Porkens actually has mech insight and may want to pretend it's not the case; but I'm pretty sure it's not actually even close to a 100% certainty kind of deal.
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If a disloyal Vig shoots and the target survives, it could've been bulletproof scum (like a SK) or a doctored/rolestopped scum, or the Vig itself could have been RB'd. By combining a cop, they know if the nonkill is due to them either failing somehow or the target being bulletproof/doctored but still scum.In post 989, imaginality wrote: Re. Porkens' role: I don't get how a combined cop disloyal vig is different from just a disloyal vig?
Since with a disloyal vig, either the vig shot kills non-town or proves Porkens' target is town if it fails?@mod, can we know what "lockpicking" means? Is the Cop returning Town/non-Town or Mafia/non-Mafia?
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@Dei, tonight I was quite possibly jailkept.
I'm more concerned that if there isn't a SK and the extra kill N1 was a Vig, then the extra kill N3 is unexplained. Unless maybe the 3p is a one-shot Vig Survivor or something-
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Doesn't imply "if not red then not bianco". But most importantly I'm neither BP nor a reflexive Redirector, so.-
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