JOAT uPick | FIN!

[Cabd]

Lto, I'll get Nectarines actually. Final answer.

Titus copied my weak doctoring hider and targeted light. Can't be redirected Which makes this a guilty.

Also uh. Hi...

[Cabd]

Don't go voting quite yet I'm going the fuck to sleep now that I got that out just in case.


Big explanation of why I made the lto alt tomorrow. I will thank Bell for the funniest chance to argue against my own past hydra self though that was fun.

[Cabd]

Lto, I'll get Nectarines actually. Final answer.

Titus copied my weak doctoring hider and targeted light. Can't be redirected Which makes this a guilty.

Also uh. Hi...

How did they use both at the same time?

? The copy was a day action. My role is "one shot hider that is weak but also protects the person you're hiding behind".

[Cabd]

Yeah I was trying out coming back on a low expectations alt and figured I'd roleplay while at it to be extra obnoxious slash for fun.

It wasn't really worth it. My persona lasted like a single phase before I fell into old habits anyways.

Also Titus we will talk post game but I promise it wasn't ill intent. (I know she's dead but she's reading I am sure). The parts about kiddo are real and if you don't want to gouge my eyes out would love to continue that convo.

[Cabd]

Yesterday my decoding attempt was me interpreting Titus as saying they would investigate/kill Laplacian and me trying to tell them to investigate/kill Hu Tao instead. When they said it was risky I figured I didn't know what ability they were actually using so didn't want to try to call targets

It was just an alphabetical chart of fruits to targets yeah. Nectarines is the letter N which is light.

[Cabd]

You had me giggling that entire back and forth about Pooky meta though. I sure didn't expect you to name drop me like that.

[Cabd]

Yeah lights confo scum and we are just try Harding for the last one today before they get to shoot me.

[Cabd]

The upgraded hider and multiple neoghborizer honestly are such me roles I expected to be found out by role choice after lto flipped anyways.


Did Pooky or maria figure it out? I thought that there was a post from each of them that made me think they might have.

[Cabd]

No need to massclaim now. Let's let everyone check in and ensure we don't have like, an independent guilty or anything first. Also it's midnight here and I need sleep soon.

[Cabd]

Yeah I just 36 started the current abyss with her on the back half. Super easy fighting bosses with her.

[Cabd]

So anyways while I wait for the sleep meds to kick in, I uh.

Guess I should clarify that it's still totally possible for the final scum to be Pooky.

[Cabd]

We have mislims to burn so we could sacrifice Pooky to the blood god for the sake of it

And iPhone please stop autocorrecting mislims to Muslims tyvm

Light can live another day if they can amuse me more than bear face.

[Cabd]

That's fine but I would fear for bells sanity.

[Cabd]

Bell you got assigned apples btw. Titus legit picked out three fruits for each person just in case our first set had to be burned, and same for the second set. Always the same starting letter though we did use genus names as trickery around that.

[Cabd]

I'm sad that the guilty was fake. I wanted to run gif over with a steamroller while pretending to be somebody else.

[Cabd]

I mean the mysterious alt known as holy Spirit turtle, obviously. Who is at least 10% less frozen than the guy in the freezer.

[Cabd]

So anyways while I wait for the sleep meds to kick in, I uh.

Guess I should clarify that it's still totally possible for the final scum to be Pooky.

I thought they looked towny on day 1 when they went after relativistic_harmony.

I mean yeah. He did get the silver medal in RH9/TL scum slip finding but it's more fun to razz him anyways.

[Cabd]

I'm sad that the guilty was fake. I wanted to run gif over with a steamroller while pretending to be somebody else.

You never know! It could’ve been a gambit to get themselves cleared. HST loves that kind of thing.

Just what kind of rumors are they spreading about me

Rumor has it you don't brush your teeth after dinner either.

[Cabd]

does anyone remember what bell claimed his abilities were

I have an entire notes pt paranoia prepped for this actually.

[Cabd]

...that I can't see from this account. Of course. One sec.

[Cabd]

Flipped Mafia Role Info:

1-Shot Recharging Universal Finder - You may choose an ability and learn if a player has the ability you chose or not. This ability will be refunded one time if it fails. Partial matches can work in some cases but not others. More discrete ability searches overall should be successful with partial matches. For instance if you look for Roleblocker, and your target has Jailkeeper, you would get a positive result. If you look for Jailkeeper, you're searching for both components in one ability, and a Doctor or Roleblocker ability would get a negative result.

1-Shot Treeviver - You may revive a dead player as a Tree Stump, allowing them to post again.

1-Shot Isolator - You may make a player immune to all abilities for the night, including passive abilities.

Bell's claims about his own role:

I have one ability that takes another player and myself out of the game for one day. If you have something that benefits from that, share.

(Post 11)

Mod just tweaked my ability a little to make it anti-town unless approached in a good way.

(Post 77)

The thing is with that terminally offline lady, is that lich said my role didn’t have much scumminess to it and then said I was scum.

Scum equity = likelihood of being scum. Or % of stocks i own. Er, maybe he was saying that my value as scum wasn’t much because of the ability I claimed but I think they clarified so all they said was, was that I wasn’t likely scum for that claim and the. Said they were scum reading me for it.

(Post 214)

It was in reference to the fact that I can post after I die.

(Post 410)

*shrug* my third ability is a novice 1 shot alibi.
I investigate a player and find out every player that they didn't visit.
This gets more powerful with time.

My bus driver role also has a neighbor component. So I'm kind of like a weird double jail keeper that can talk to that player at night.
I was considering spite locking Pooky into it and then seeing if they could post 1000 pages and convince me they weren't scum over a night phase. But, really I was just going to carefully consider who I wanted to talk with over that time. since, I'm not actually vindictive, I just pretend I will be.

(Post 795)

[Cabd]

I'm not really feeling that much anymore but the parallels to Harmony are pretty funny.

[Cabd]

Lady the second is a giant lovable she-troll, yes.

[Cabd]

Wait if you're serious that's hilarious. What a way to go down with the ship.

[Cabd]

The best part is since we do light first you two get to have 48 hours locked in a domestic dispute pt.

[Cabd]

How was this even going to end. L_G can’t carry.
/:

?

[Cabd]

I'm confused. Is that a bell confession+concession?

[Cabd]

Poking you for reactions will never stop being fun.

[Cabd]

I still personally feel Bell should be using their ability on Cabd this day phase.

Even in light of the loverize?

[Cabd]

so that's redirection or roleblock+murder

How would it be roleblock and murder?

I'm down to kill Light.

Hide resolves before block as well. If you don't believe me ask the mod how those two roles interact.

[Cabd]

Still wanna figure out and give Bell time to act before we proceed.

[Cabd]

Anyways back to sleep for me.

[Cabd]

So bell who are you taking to the basement pt? Go ahead and fire it off and then let's get on our way?

[Cabd]

Realistically, should we not pick our second strongest mafia read?

[Cabd]

Actually no because no matter what they will want to no kill during the night phase where the abductee is gone. So all we're doing here is buying a day potentially for some power roles.

[Cabd]

I think we're far enough ahead that it's fine either way.

Bell targeting me is pretty subpar unless anyone not named light thinks I'm mafia here.

Your tempo note doesn't factor in that if you're town you gave them a two-for-one trade? With the extra titus death as well, that gives scum an entire phase jump since even if bell's chilling with me, they shoot you for a two-bagger.

So him taking me looks just shit here.

[Cabd]

Bell, did Lady the 2nd's gift allow you to nightkill/daykill somebody this cycle?

[Cabd]

Weeeeeird, but kind of on brand.

Okay. Kidnap the bear and we'll deal with you lot later. Can't have lovers in endgame but light first.

[Cabd]

ENjoy your vacation.
Remember, you aren't trapped in there with the bear, the bear is trapped in there with you!

[Cabd]

Bell, I have it on good authority he likes Korean BBQ chicken.

[Cabd]

I kept having to un-type "lady the second" when talking to you. It would have been an instant me-claim.

[Cabd]

I kept having to un-type "lady the second" when talking to you. It would have been an instant me-claim.

TRUE.

No one else calls me that.

To be fair, it seems like in this game people not named Pooky sorta just ignored you in general.

You just can't get any gosh darned respect as a proper women of the chaos faith.

[Cabd]

That you updated my line and not Maria's with the / is a scum claim. Enjoy club fed with Bell.

[Cabd]

VOTE: Light


See you all in the dead thread and or tomorrow.

[Cabd]

Also, this is me campaigning for early night.

[Cabd]

Does beeboy even exist, or is he a doll Maria keeps on her person, like Sabrina in the Pokemon anime?

[Cabd]

As expected. Should we nolim after seeing who we think dunnit just to really rub some salt in?

[Cabd]

But yeah my daughter bit me and I am vla until tomorrow because uh it burns.

[Cabd]

I guess Drew's post does confirm that you in fact used your invention this night, so that's good.

What is weird though(and maybe it is part of NAR, I dunno), but technically it was a day action that I activate it at night.....I guess that means it can be fucked with at night? (ie, can get role blocked)

If the activation is at night, but the effect is during the day, it makes sense it can be roleblocked at night. That doesn't seem weird at all.

Weird might not have the been the right word, was just postulating that maybe a role block wouldn't affect it, but I guess it would

Was it refunded?

[Cabd]

Why did you use it? (Instead of, you know, no-action)

[Cabd]

Lady the 2nd? I do believe it is your turn. Time to come clean about your third troll ability, I presume you're holding behind your back.

[Cabd]

Okay I'm gonna go do the homework of looking at flipped mafia data now.

TBH though I'm hoping it's just one of pooky or Bell and it's a moot point since we autowin tomorrow when we have to eliminate them.

Even better would be it not being them and we get four for four and a best town scummy.

[Cabd]

Final day one count:

Relativistic Harmony (9)

: Ircher, Maid Cafe,

Joyboy,

Doctor Drew,

Titus, LadyTerminallyOffline

, Dunnstral,

Sakura Hana

, Laplacian
Dunnstral (2):

Hu Tao

, Holy Spirit Turtle
Maid Cafe (1): lemon.tangerine

Joyboy

(1):

light_ganski

Doctor Drew (1):

Firebringer

Not Voting (3): Bell,

Relativistic Harmony,

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Now if we include scum fakeclaim 1v1s as townish enough for today in lighter green...

Relativistic Harmony (9)

: Ircher,

Maid Cafe

,

Joyboy,

Doctor Drew,

Titus, LadyTerminallyOffline

,

Dunnstral

,

Sakura Hana

, Laplacian

Dunnstral

(2):

Hu Tao

,

Holy Spirit Turtle

Maid Cafe

(1): lemon.tangerine

Joyboy

(1):

light_ganski

Doctor Drew (1):

Firebringer

Not Voting (3): Bell,

Relativistic Harmony,

PookyTheMagicalBear,

I guess the odds of like, zero mafia bussing day one is pretty silly? Maybe?

[Cabd]

The thing is roles != scummyness or lack thereof so we have to go based upon play.


\Why drew?

[Cabd]

tomorrow has to be the lovers, no?

[Cabd]

We're at 9-1 at the moment, I believe?

Bell
Dunnstral
MariaR
HolySpiritTurtle
Laplacian
Doctor Drew
PookyTheMagicalBear
Cabd
lemon.tangerine
Ircher



let's say drew is town, the mafia nightkills me as the last basiclaly confirmed.

that's 7-1:

Bell
Dunnstral
MariaR
HolySpiritTurtle
Laplacian
PookyTheMagicalBear
lemon.tangerine
Ircher


Flip the lovers, mafia kills again in the chance that all three of {drew, bell, pooks} are town....



4-1 with one more town eliminated form the pool of
{Dunn, Maria, HST, Lap, Lemon, Ircher} to leave 5 total alive.

Then we get one shot at it before xylim, assuming no extra kills remain on the board.

4-1 into 2-1 which is xylim.

So we get, in addition to the lovers, three shots at this. Assuming no extra kills exist. Assuming my math is correct and no kills are blocked either.

[Cabd]

Technically we COULD do the lovers one day later, but absolutely nowhere near XYLIM.

[Cabd]

Essentially, this means I want everyone to name the three players they want to eliminate outside of the lovers and myself, in order of most to least.

[Cabd]

Pooky and Bell.

Are you even reading the thread?

[Cabd]

I could have, but I chose the snark.

It was kind of a major part of their posting yesterday.

[Cabd]

(I guess to be fair, "cabd" is a valid reply within your three if you really think that way)

[Cabd]

This is assuming the lover pair dies.

Mandatory tomorrow IMO

[Cabd]

This is assuming the lover pair dies.

Mandatory tomorrow IMO

I don't think I quite get why it's mandatory. Is it to avoid surprise LimLo / loss?

And avoid a potential scum secondary kill they had to suddenly kill three townies in one shot, yes.

Also because I wanna send Pooky and Bell to meowhalla before endgame anwyays.

[Cabd]

We have "reason" to clear nearly everyone here, though, is kinda the issue.

Right?

Cabd- Got Harmony eliminated form neighborhood stuff, helped push the scumslip (that was true), cleared Joyboy, helped titus get the guilty on light, was the counterwagon to light

Pooky- Pointed out to slip from harmony initially

Bell - Was the counter wagon to Harmony, harmony was very wanting them dead, is a self-resolving treestump who will stay in the game post-death

Maria - Chaos demoness who also happens to be psuedo-cleared by lemon and claimed self resolving, has until 5 alive to do so

Drew - Exists?

HolySpiritFreezer - Counterwagon to Hu Tao, got hutao elim on back of their reflector

Laplacian - Exists? (We know targeted Hu Tao, but NOT any proof of with what)

Lemon - Psuedo-cleared maria, (We do know sent bomb to Hu tao due to watcher fuckery)

Dunn - Remind me I know there's a reason ish?

Icher - Inventor who gave out some pretty weird stuff, otherwise remind me?



At this point, I am assuming that the watch saw anyone who initially targeted Hu Tao that night, which was Sakura, Lemon, Lap.

[Cabd]

Fill me in on what makes Drew, Lap, and Dunn again folks?

[Cabd]

Ah yeah, although I'd argue they were goners anyways it doesn't read like they're aligned and it was the final nail.

[Cabd]

Yeah I highly encourage everyone do one last effort re-read before we vote anywhere.

[Cabd]

Oh yeah, you and Bell got it pretty much immediately but nobody was gonna be able to connect the dots until D2 at the earliest.

[Cabd]

TemporalLich late D1 lead rist:

[Town]

PookyTheMagicalBear - starting to think Pooky might be scum but Pooky is still spewed as town by Bell's perspective slip in 381

Titus - Still very towny, with 1643 being a good post
Firebringer - Gamesolvey for some strange reason

light_ganski - posts like 1318 give me confidence

Laplacian - Still towny imo
Ircher - Still somewhat game solvey

Hu Tao - Towny vibes I guess?

Sakura Hana - same reason as Hu Tao

LadyTerminallyOffline - That stuff about the neighborhood is making me hesitate on LTO being town

Bell - Extremely solvey, but the perspective slip is still worrying
HolySpiritTurtle - Pretty low key town, 1797 seems like an okay read list

Joyboy - Has actually been quite towny lately

lemon.tangerine - posts feel easy to post as scum
Doctor Drew - hard to sort
Maid Cafe - hard to sort but I would say Maid Cafe is scum
Dunnstral - maybe scummy I guess

[Scum]

yeah this lead rist is not looking good...

-TL

This list sure is hilarious in hindsight.

[Cabd]

Btw Titus wanted lap as the fourth. I am weighing that pretty heavily. She has been on fire this game.

[Cabd]

Drew, what do you make of the known fact that lemon sent a bomb vest to hu tao? Do you think that was all theater?

[Cabd]

Things that absolutely bug the shit out of me about Laplacian right now:

A: We have no actual proof there were three targets, we only KNOW of one, which was claimed to be hu tao. (Titus saw him on Bell)
B: If the parity cop is real, they chose two easily flipped townies, and Hu Tao, with a parity-town "clear" that sets Hu Tao up to endgame as "cleared town." Possible luck but weeeeeeeird.
C: They're demoralized as shit, which is kind of where I expect the final maf to be headspace wise.
D: Town already had several other investigative flipped (or claimed, me) (A hider that can basically never die)
E: If the parity cop is real, why wasn't it novice or otherwise gated? A N1 parity cop is fucking HUGE.

[Cabd]

F: He did the bloodstained pooky tell and I took that personally. (This one isn't real)

[Cabd]

It wasn't.

[Cabd]

But I am treating maria as either self-sorting by final 5 or the final five elim and I encourage everyone else to do that same.

[Cabd]

Ircher's inventions really need more clarity on exactly when phases they are handed out and how they work, yes.

[Cabd]

I highly highly doubt it's a 3P killing role, ffery is notorious for letting her third parties town side so if they are out there they should be trying to win with us.

[Cabd]

They are not a danger YET at the very least.

Also, you're not first on MY list today Drew.

[Cabd]

3p also chose a killing role

Roles came before alignments, so no?

[Cabd]

Rip game. Thread dead.

[Cabd]

Okay, further sins have been committed/discovered and I want Laplacian today.

Let me detail...

[Cabd]

Day one ends on post 2353. All of Laplacian's ISO before this post should show a clear TRAJECTORY towards the reads he has, and his eventual targets, yes?

Let's look!


Lap's parity cop targets as claimed were:

Hu Tao, Lemon, and Dr. Drew

Day One Posts Mentioning Hu Tao

VOTE: Joyboy
Comrades, upon rereading I find Joyboy's roster of pirates and foes in revolutionary pamphlet #567 alarming. As has been called out by the ever-vigilant Doctor Drew and Lady Terminally Online, it included the absent light_ganski as an ally of Joyboy's under flimsy pretenses. Furthermore, the only two foes on the roster were Bell, a safe accusation at the time, and LTO, who is new to this union and its unique quirks. Joyboy then even says that LTO and Bell, his only two suspects are

not

aligned, meaning their read list only truly has one suspect in the end. I fear this incoherent list represents not Joyboy's true feelings, but was hastily built with ulterior motives. Joyboy is trying to deflect suspicion from away from his capitalistic lust for treasure.

Comrade, can I direct you to look at lemon?

Comrade Tao, I have already looked at lemon extensively, as per my grandiose speech in 318! I concluded that they where subtly undermining our union with their rhetoric. My post included both a vote for him and a delightful pun! I would be happy to vote him again should we convince more of our fellow workers of the world to unite in this cause. But first, I must investigate LTO's argument and Bell's rebuttal. This may take a while, as the combined length of both rivals the seminal work

Das Kapital

VOTE: Dunnstral

Comrade Firebringer, while our interactions in the past have sadly been few, I now feel compelled to ask why have you aimed your lens of suspicion at Comrade Dunnstral? Perusing the minutes of our past union meetings, the only time I can find you mentioning them was in missive #285. I had assumed this was in jest rather than a serious accusation of Dunn being a perfidious capitalist. Is there any further evidence for these aspersions so I may draw my own conclusions from your logic?

What do you think?

I think

I townread Firebringer and was confused by their vote, since I also townread Dunnstral. And it was right of me to ask since it was a meta argument and this is my 6th game on this site. I also think this is a bullshit post that exists solely because you've scumread me; I don't see anyone else asking other people questions getting

bold accusatory statements

. Likely case, you're tunneled. Worst case, scum trying to set me up as a future wagon.

And to get back in character. Something something unions good

If asking for an actual opinion is accusatory, then...I guess everything is accusatory. I have accused you of being scum, but directly giving you the opportunity to address my concerns is the opposite.

What are your HST and Lemon reads?

Comrade Titus, it was the bolding that I found offensive. As to your clarification and further questions, I have stated my opinions on many of our fellow workers throughout the game. My thoughts on Lemon.tangerine I have made abundantly clear; I find them suspicious across the board, from wording in early discussions, to an unprompted claim. I have happily voted them once, and would do so again without remorse or hesitation.

HolySpiritTurtle I find less clear due to their relative dearth of posts. I tentatively lean town, but this judgement may change after I see their case on Comrade Hu Tao.

I like HT & L_G's interactions around 1330ish.

Can we just put Pooky & Bell on opposite sides of the room? Bell's been the main character for like 90% of the game. Someone just cop/gunsmith him tonight so we can resolve it.

I'm also not reading any ISOs, used up all my tryhard energy thinking of synonyms for union and trying to remember how to spell bourgeoise

That's it. That's the entirety of direct mentions of their thoughts on Hu Tao one way or another before Day One ends. I'm supposed to believe this was his parity cop choice after leaving off on that positive note? (Oh, also, for the record, Hu Tao is NOT in his hero solve)

Let's do Drew next?

Day One Posts Mentioning Doctor Drew

VOTE: Joyboy
Comrades, upon rereading I find Joyboy's roster of pirates and foes in revolutionary pamphlet #567 alarming. As has been called out by the ever-vigilant Doctor Drew and Lady Terminally Online, it included the absent light_ganski as an ally of Joyboy's under flimsy pretenses. Furthermore, the only two foes on the roster were Bell, a safe accusation at the time, and LTO, who is new to this union and its unique quirks. Joyboy then even says that LTO and Bell, his only two suspects are

not

aligned, meaning their read list only truly has one suspect in the end. I fear this incoherent list represents not Joyboy's true feelings, but was hastily built with ulterior motives. Joyboy is trying to deflect suspicion from away from his capitalistic lust for treasure.

As page 47 heralds a friendly wager, I feel it unsporting to not enter

Spoiler: guess

Lemon, RH, Joyboy, Dr Drew

Wow. He literally only mentioned drew ONCE in passing as "Ever-vigilant" and then he's randomly in the hero solve?

Now Lemon gets plenty of mention, so let's go through Lemon.

Day One Posts Mentioning Lemon

Anyway inregards to our setup (i read someone posted it about being alot of 1-shot abilities which ofc it is lol) Id say that alot of ppl probably have much more creative abilities than on other forums.

Just a rumour i heard that setups are often more creative on mafiascum, sooo im expecting ppl to be doing more than complain abt union leaders lol

Aka throw nukes everywhere ty <3

Also n1 actions are gonna be p chaotic i assume bc 14 ppl all using joat actions lol (yes 15-1 is 14 after wagon)

So like what happens if everyone just kills another player?

Our noble group is 17 players, not 15. Likewise, we are blessed with a suite of one shots, made abundantly clear in the pre-game literature. Yet, this post is casual, nay, skeptical, about the existence of our one shots. Observe the hedging: "I read someone posted it", "a rumor", "probably have much more creative abilities". Our JOAT abilities were clear from the moment we signed up for the union!

COMRADES! I ask of you, why would a hard-working member of the proletariat ignore their unique skills and abilities? They would not. JOAT abilities are our way of interacting with the world, our way of finding information, our way of aiding and protecting allies, our way of furthering the perpetual march of progress! To ignore our skills is anathema to everything we stand for!

Therefore, there can be only one conclusion. Lemon.tangerine is a perfidious union-buster, as sour as his name. He has ignored his innate skills to focus on another ability, one shared with all scum. Murder.

VOTE: lemon.tangerine

Anyway inregards to our setup (i read someone posted it about being alot of 1-shot abilities which ofc it is lol) Id say that alot of ppl probably have much more creative abilities than on other forums.

Just a rumour i heard that setups are often more creative on mafiascum, sooo im expecting ppl to be doing more than complain abt union leaders lol

Aka throw nukes everywhere ty <3

Also n1 actions are gonna be p chaotic i assume bc 14 ppl all using joat actions lol (yes 15-1 is 14 after wagon)

So like what happens if everyone just kills another player?

Our noble group is 17 players, not 15. Likewise, we are blessed with a suite of one shots, made abundantly clear in the pre-game literature. Yet, this post is casual, nay, skeptical, about the existence of our one shots. Observe the hedging: "I read someone posted it", "a rumor", "probably have much more creative abilities". Our JOAT abilities were clear from the moment we signed up for the union!

COMRADES! I ask of you, why would a hard-working member of the proletariat ignore their unique skills and abilities? They would not. JOAT abilities are our way of interacting with the world, our way of finding information, our way of aiding and protecting allies, our way of furthering the perpetual march of progress! To ignore our skills is anathema to everything we stand for!

Therefore, there can be only one conclusion. Lemon.tangerine is a perfidious union-buster, as sour as his name. He has ignored his innate skills to focus on another ability, one shared with all scum. Murder.

VOTE: lemon.tangerine

Actually doesn’t this suggest otherwise? Omitting 2 players assumes 3-men team and if my brain still works correctly 17p usually has 4-men team, no?

I would indeed expect a 13-4 split; the foul bourgeoise would have sent no less than that to try, futile though it may be, to shatter our noble spirits. No, Lemon's omission of two comrades is a minor error that I would expect from distraction; instead the smoking gun of their perfidy comes from the skepticism of abilities. Reread their first sentence and tell me that it is not hedging, that is not feigned nonchalance. While the braying of Bell's possible slip still rings in our ears, lemon's words offer a far more damning perspective.

Omgus is nai

I concur. It is a natural reaction when one doubts your revolutionary spirit to lash back with harsh words and accusations. But while nai, it should be still noted in the annals of history in case a pattern of desperate flailing occurs.

Having revisited the minutes of our last union organizing meeting, I have identified several comrades who I believe are wholly devoted to our grand cause.

LTO: Has made herself a valuable member of this union with quick and intelligent reads
Pooky: A friendly comrade. Pocketed me early, so I must reevaluate in days to come
Dunnstral: While quiet, his words and votes are powerful and strategic
Titus: We may disagree, but she has a strong and confident spirit
Firebringer and Maid Cafe: Veteran union workers alike, whose casual play helps put all our hearts at ease.

I also fervently want to believe that Comrades Ircher and Relativistic Harmony can be trusted, but they have not yet demonstrated enough praxis to enmesh themselves within in my good graces.

Upon Joyboy and lemon.tangerine I have already expressed my doubts. Comrade Bell has also been troublesome to interpret, with actions both noble and base. However, suspicion is edging out. Any of these uncouth hobgoblins I would be happy to drag before a council of peers, as well as those suspiciously absent in discussions or in content.

VOTE: Joyboy
Comrades, upon rereading I find Joyboy's roster of pirates and foes in revolutionary pamphlet #567 alarming. As has been called out by the ever-vigilant Doctor Drew and Lady Terminally Online, it included the absent light_ganski as an ally of Joyboy's under flimsy pretenses. Furthermore, the only two foes on the roster were Bell, a safe accusation at the time, and LTO, who is new to this union and its unique quirks. Joyboy then even says that LTO and Bell, his only two suspects are

not

aligned, meaning their read list only truly has one suspect in the end. I fear this incoherent list represents not Joyboy's true feelings, but was hastily built with ulterior motives. Joyboy is trying to deflect suspicion from away from his capitalistic lust for treasure.

Comrade, can I direct you to look at lemon?

Comrade Tao, I have already looked at lemon extensively, as per my grandiose speech in 318! I concluded that they where subtly undermining our union with their rhetoric. My post included both a vote for him and a delightful pun! I would be happy to vote him again should we convince more of our fellow workers of the world to unite in this cause. But first, I must investigate LTO's argument and Bell's rebuttal. This may take a while, as the combined length of both rivals the seminal work

Das Kapital

Good day comrades! I have begun to catch up with the discussions I missed. Oh, that I could forsake sleep to forever revel in the spirit of the proletariat!

Comrade Bell continues to confound. I am no longer unsure if he is a noble revolutionary or a foul capitalist. While I will vote if necessary, I instead urge one of our union's cunning investigators to observe hia actiona closely during the night, as to truly divine his motives. Indeed, perhaps the second night, as his alleged isolation would render our investigator's hard work moot.

I have had little change of heart towards lemon.tangerine this past day. I see no reaaon to claim abilities in the manner they did unprompted, except to gain credibility with an alleged investigative role. Comrades, I remind all of you that fake claiming is easier than normal due to our suites of abilities.

In the past, I expressed my fervent wish to be able to trust Relativitic Harmony's revolutionary spirit. While my opinion has congealed, my wish did not come true. I am beginnimg to suspect RH to be a blaggart and infiltrator of our great union! I ask of you, noble workers, reread their words with a keen eye, see if you can see what I see

As page 47 heralds a friendly wager, I feel it unsporting to not enter

Spoiler: guess

Lemon, RH, Joyboy, Dr Drew

I'm calling the first post a clear RVS vote. The second post turns it into a serious scum read.



Here at least we have a clear trajectory to the read. But with that said... Here's why these targets fucking suck:


A parity cop's optimal town usage is to use a fairly well known target whose alignment you are nearly positive on, alongside two others. This gives you the most bang for your buck. None of the three names he chose as initial targets are in his "townpool".

What is the optimal MAFIA usage of a parity cop? Hint: Pick two murky towns and one scum and then when that scum flips you have a guaranteed mislim, OR when one of those towns dies anyways, well, now you have your murk-scum "cleared as town".

Here's his town pool. Why did none of these serve as the calibration choice?

LTO: Has made herself a valuable member of this union with quick and intelligent reads
Pooky: A friendly comrade. Pocketed me early, so I must reevaluate in days to come
Dunnstral: While quiet, his words and votes are powerful and strategic
Titus: We may disagree, but she has a strong and confident spirit
Firebringer and Maid Cafe: Veteran union workers alike, whose casual play helps put all our hearts at ease.

Why are the results "surprising" here?

Good morning comrades! I hope that we are all well rested and ready to resume our glorious revolution! Through a combination of meditation, interrogation, and rooting through garbage for suspicious evidence, I believe I have identified several comrades who are, surprisingly, trustworthy

From Laplacian's POV, he has a parity result on three people, none of which he was town reading, but one was NOT in his scum pool, and was in his "nulls" as of this point? Why should it be "surprising" to get a result of Hu Tao town? Hint: Because this is informed guilt and he knows Hu Tao is indeed his partner who he spent day one avoiding talking to or about much.

[Cabd]

The drew stuff is damning on its own to me.

The rest is just cherries on top.

[Cabd]

VOTE: Laplacian

[Cabd]

I am by no means infallible, I just think this is a more pressing matter than my concerns of any other slot.

I likely won't be around past today if I am wrong so this was my big spurt of effort AND a way of finishing up my buzzword bingo card with ffery's signature tell.

[Cabd]

Just make sure you're self-resolved before final 5 mmkay? Or otherwise people can quote this post while they put YOU into the woodchipper, lady the 2nd.

[Cabd]

Since you two are around though, please play devil's advocate and tell me areas where I am wrong, best cases stand up to scrutiny.

[Cabd]

I know but I'm bitter because if it ends up needing to matter I won't be around to enjoy it ITT.

[Cabd]

That means we can STILL send Drew over?

Don't tempt me like that

VOTE: Lap

Ha, if this flips town maria will be insufferable tomorrow

Be honest you adore my company.

Drew, look her in the eyes and say "Yes Mistress" if you want to live. Trust me.

[Cabd]

Since you two are around though, please play devil's advocate and tell me areas where I am wrong, best cases stand up to scrutiny.

mm, I suppose if I was to play middle on your case with Lap's actions, I don't think the choices in and of themselves were that bad considering I don't think anyone was hard clear at the time unless I'm mistaken on the timeline.

I think the part of your case that holds the most weight is the posting (or lack of) around the slots.

Plus, Lap outted the result before I did mine, right? If you were mafia with a cop, did a result on your knowing mafia partner, and the result came back as everyone clear, would you instantly out it knowing that the end result is wrong?

Going into night one, there's a psuedoclear on the folks who got Harmony murdered for their slip that you are already town reading, no? Both myself and Pooky were in their deep town reads:

LTO

: Has made herself a valuable member of this union with quick and intelligent reads

Pooky

: A friendly comrade. Pocketed me early, so I must reevaluate in days to come
Dunnstral: While quiet, his words and votes are powerful and strategic
Titus: We may disagree, but she has a strong and confident spirit
Firebringer and Maid Cafe: Veteran union workers alike, whose casual play helps put all our hearts at ease.

The result wasn't "everyone clear" so much as "all aligned" but that also assumes that the parity cop EXISTS, which I am doubting in the first place!

The only thing we know for SURE is that they ended up visiting Bell somehow. It could have been something like a doctor shot to protect Hu Tao from getting vigged that got redirected there.

[Cabd]

Dunnstral is meta.

Dunn also cracked the Titus crumb code then playfully teased her about it in the main thread instead of, you know, dropping the codebook in a mafia PT and shutting the fuck up about it.

[Cabd]

It just leaves Ircher Lap Lover pair and Drew.

We have exactly that number of eliminations left, as chance would have it.

[Cabd]

I wonder how many pages the pooky-bell hood is up to. I'll be really sad if they aren't yelling up a storm.

[Cabd]

I find myself in need of the syryana nodding head gif.


Also proof you haven't been reading the thread because you already know alignments:

You want to nab people for playing suboptimally, let's policy MariaR for the N1 lightning rod fucking up every action.

I feel like everyone got deja vu because I was clear about it.

I'm not lying. There's no reason for me to come into the thread and make up some sort of wild lie like that.

Do I know why Ircher's action went through? No. All I know is I used a lighting rod causing every action to be on Bell. Maybe action order messes with that but shrug.jpg

Can you claim your lightning rod ability again? What modifiers does it have and why did it not show up in watcher results?

All actions go to the person I visit. The only modifier involved is not relevant (as in doesn't matter to the issue at hand) why it did not show up the watcher? your guess is as good as mine.

If you're curious the modifier in question was

compulsive

[Cabd]

You're wasting time arguing with me, instead of picking out who the final scum is if not you!

We have three elims left. You should be selling me on "where to go when we're wrong on you", no?

[Cabd]

zero for two, nerd.

[Cabd]

But while you're here, please do weigh in on the laplacian-cabd slap-fight!

[Cabd]

You get to wait 3.5 hours. D&D.

The real final scum was the dungeon and the dragon all along.

[Cabd]

So you're 100% fine with you into Drew?

[Cabd]

I'm not going to make people vote for my choice,I've articulated which direction I prefer but they can vote either way and I won't be too upset.

[Cabd]

Like, props to Drew if he can be THIS upbeat as the final scum in a game where they got 3-for-3'd but the emotional profile I expect here is bitter and annoyed and tense.

So that's what informs my ordering of elims. (well, that, and the giant case I wrote)

[Cabd]

Oh and right now my third is ircher, subject to change, but inventions don't really matter much in the grand scheme of things and I don't particularly feel GREAT about their content otherwise.

[Cabd]

Ircher, can you fill in my chart for your self town case por favor? You seem to be kind of tangential to the entire thread right now and it's kinda weird

[Cabd]

Ah, the sweet sound of a non-pagetop votecount of resignation-shame.

[Cabd]

If we wait an extra night we know the kill has to come from the currently alive mafia. Or they will need to block or kill Drew if he is town.

Are you still in contact with Pooky?

What if anything has he noted in relation to the new posts that have hit the thread?

[Cabd]

And Bell? What exactly does sir bell have to say?

[Cabd]

Today was an extremely good day in a few aspects but also an extremely bad traumatic day, I am not making any decisions or efforts until tomorrow, apologies.

[Cabd]

Well, I won't be going to a stage play that sets of all sorts of phobia about medical gore, so by definition, yes. It pretty much has to be.

[Cabd]

LIGHT CLAIMED STRONGWILLED GUNSMITH
LIGHT DID NOT FLIP STRONGWILLED

Explain like it's 9 AM and I spent all of last night having nightmares what this means?

[Cabd]

...Ah

[Cabd]

You think the scum factional ability is just that they choose one person to be "strong" or "not redirect-able" each night phase?

[Cabd]

Or alternatively, Ircher is something like strongman-maker?

Enabler I suppose, because wouldn't be one-shot.

I'm off to the zoo with kiddo, I'll logic this out with a chart tonight.

If Icher is Mafia, does everything else still unknown from the mess of night actions slot into place?

[Cabd]

Sure. I'm in.

VOTE: ircher

If this is wrong my preferences are well documented.

[Cabd]

I mean why should we then?

[Cabd]

So basically all three of (lap,ircher,drew) agree final scum is in that list but not them.

Should we go through the list of the rest one more time? We should start with me. I like talking about Me!

[Cabd]

If there is a third party, they are welcome to step forward and talk to me because chances are unless their win condition is explicitly impossible with mine, they will not find a better deal than while I am alive and willing to defend them from the "kill all third parties on the spot" faction.

[Cabd]

I just am unsure that there is. It doesn't fit with mod meta but hey maybe she is gonna shock me. It's that exact thrill that keeps me in closed setups.

[Cabd]

So basically all three of (lap,ircher,drew) agree final scum is in that list but not them.

Should we go through the list of the rest one more time? We should start with me. I like talking about Me!

I enjoyed your pushing of Bell, so like I said.....never vote you(even if you weren't conf town)

Oh you meant you wanted to start talking about us

No no, I literally meant talking about me and everyone else each person TOWN reads in addition to their scum case. Just in case I want pretty detailed opinions on record in case we hit town once or twice whoever is left in endgame final has a bunch of dead flipped town voices and opinions to consult.


Like I said as lto. Sometimes being overly cautious is very worth it. I've been burned by a "games already over lol" game state and then ended up having to nuke varsoon in final three out of what we thought was a win six cycles prior.

[Cabd]

My impression is Maria is claiming undefined "Town revealing role" such that she is literally openly mod confirmed before we get to final three.

It's not exactly a secret given how hard it's being talked about.

And her getting shot is fine for EV anyways.

[Cabd]

Also

Shower thought. What if it's 3 plus a traitor and that's what the "scab" reference laplacian keeps going on about is a hint towards? And then perhaps the first three didn't have any great scum partner interactions with whoever it is. (I mean of course unless it's Dunn which, it could be? But man that cheekyness of the code taunt then, but it's within his skills)

[Cabd]

Also

Shower thought. What if it's 3 plus a traitor and that's what the "scab" reference laplacian keeps going on about is a hint towards? And then perhaps the first three didn't have any great scum partner interactions with whoever it is. (I mean of course unless it's Dunn which, it could be? But man that cheekyness of the code taunt then, but it's within his skills)

Don't traitors typically get endgamed if main faction scum are dead?

Not in ffery-land, they can still win.

[Cabd]

It's not that surprising. I'm kind of high as fuck to NOT think about the bad Saturday thing.

[Cabd]

To be fair you're both in the vague limpool

[Cabd]

If you already posted your other reads somewhere I missed, go for it?

[Cabd]

Yeah, good moderation and a good crew, I'd play with you lot any day, even if high-me apparently puts both Drew and Lap into the same mental house.

[Cabd]

well i can hammer?

Are you gong to be posting more today or was that it?

If you're not gonna effort then just hammer and whoever is alive can sort it out tomorrow if the game isn't over.

[Cabd]

So uh, a kill occured. If we take bell at face value, the lovers are cleared then?

[Cabd]

How did your hood go last evening?

[Cabd]

Oh and....

If it wasn't ircher that has the weirdness about stuff going through it was the recipient.

Which is laplacian. I am pretty sure.


Right now though I need to be talked down from worrying about HST and Dunn.

[Cabd]

Cabd, Maria, Hu, and Lap all visited Joyboy at some point this game

What are your thoughts of this? Mine was the hider n1 to clear him. Lemme track down the others.

[Cabd]

Yeah lights confo scum and we are just try Harding for the last one today before they get to shoot me.

Do you want a mass claim today?

I'm interested in what lemon_ganski and Laplacian did last night

I used a reloader on Joyboy, which would have recharged any ability he used last night. He said he was going to self doc before Sakura spoke up, so I was hoping he'd use that and then get another night to stay alive

Laplacian's visit claim.

[Cabd]

zzz

Did you get or do anything last night

Only possible thing I see where Hu mentioned Joyboy.

[Cabd]

Maria has no claim of using anything on Joyboy.

She needs to disclose that now.

[Cabd]

Need maria's absolute full claim here, full send, then we move on.

[Cabd]

SO like, do either of you genuinely think each other is the last mafia or are we just committing to the bit here?

[Cabd]

I do wanna say if Cabd somehow gets to elo treat him with extreme caution

Not sure you need to shuffle depending on what comes out today, hold up mr. bear.

I don't know that we even get to xylim any more.

[Cabd]

SO like, do either of you genuinely think each other is the last mafia or are we just committing to the bit here?

I've already told Bell if I'm at elo with him and one other I'm voting him 100% of the time full send so he should know there is no hope for him to win if he's mafia

If it's F3 it's even funnier to vote yourself.

[Cabd]

I wanted to ask about that.
If Pooky got the other guy/girl to vote me, would he still lose?

i'm pretty sure the lover mechanism triggers death before parity kicks in

You can ask the Lady Ffery, but uh, yeah.

Lovergents, where are your reads at? Bear, you wanted Ircher and got it, what now?

[Cabd]

im ngl the thing that worries me about Cabd is because the Lemon nightkill feels like a cabd nightkill because

(1) cabd is still alive
(2) cabd doesnt know how to manipulate lemon
(3) lemon shouldnt have gotten nightkilled over cabd or hst imo if its a neutral nightkiller

Maria crumbed friendly neighbor-sending to Lemon my dude.

[Cabd]

Well, not crumbed so much as softed so hard that it blew out my eardrums.

[Cabd]

All roads currently wind through Maria-ville.

[Cabd]

It's either her or hu that killed joyboy.

Your abilities are:

1-shot Day Ability cop - Once during a game day you can investigate another player and learn what kinds of JOAT abilities they have
1-shot Vengeful - If you are eliminated, during twilight you can choose a player to kill on your way out



I'm betting Hu used the daycop on Joyboy right around the time during D1 she started massively swapping her read on him to super positive as setup? NO way they sat on that ability and I can see mafia wanting to use it there.

[Cabd]

Aren't they just going to shoot maria.

Not if she's the mafia you silly goose.

[Cabd]

there's some small part of me that refuses to believe that me and cabd both misread Bell on day one

Can we like, stop trying to shove yourself into the woodchipper, for like, HALF the day phase?

[Cabd]

there's some small part of me that refuses to believe that me and cabd both misread Bell on day one

like maybe Cabd!scum took advantage of my poor vision and easily tunneled gullible town self

or we're both right and Bell is mafia.

I just refuse to believe all three of us are town and we both misread Bell

feels unlikely to happen

Bell is like, the absolute worst person to fake a scum case on if you're scum and know he's town because he WILL beat the rap. In fairness I was alting at the time, but I don't think that would have been optimal given.... I pulled everyone off him and onto Harmony, so...

[Cabd]

Quite aware, and getting that would be fun, but like, do you really think scum-cabd decides to go for it, and then decides "oh never mind instead of pulling off the chef's kiss lemme derail and power bus my partner instead"

Because if you do like, your Cabd model needs updates and sadly for you it's a software as a service, maintenance license will be $1799

p-edit: LMAO you do wow

[Cabd]

Yeah like you telling me why you have so little faith in me, Pooky.

He wasn't towning NEARLY enough that scum-LTO couldn't have burried his fucking ass ten feet under at the point in day one that you and I moved shit onto TL9.


Since when do I halfass ANY of my wild plays?

[Cabd]

"oh never mind instead of pulling off the chef's kiss lemme derail and power bus my partner instead"

well your partner decided to scum slip all over himself in the most hilarious way possible so at that point you pretty much are forced to make an omelette out of the broken bodies of your soon to be dead partners

How so? LTO wouldn't have been expected to notice that whatsoever.

[Cabd]

Oh Lol.

LMFAO, even.

[Cabd]

So uh, why those two targets my dude?

[Cabd]

Gonna slam the brakes on the cabd talk.

I bus drove cabd and lemon.tangerine last night.

what if Cabd somehow psychically knew and decided to shoot himself

Chad move, deserves to win

Wouldn't even be the cheekiest thing i'd ever done. That still belongs to claiming third party as town to get Malakittens to claim mafia in final 3.

[Cabd]

I was going to make a very convincing case that TLO was town because they, somehow reminded me depressingly of my own alt adventure. Right down to the shitty lying that is overtly suspicious as I pretend not to know things I clearly know.

How much fun was it to get scumcased?

[Cabd]

So uh, why those two targets my dude?

You had big town energy and felt like a high priority target, and Lemon barely contributed yesterday but was mostly a random pick since I was tuned out af yesterday

...

[Cabd]

REALLY shoulda been me and drew, Lemon was town-cleareed-ish due to the bomb vest thing well over a day ago.

[Cabd]

So I guess "who shoots me here" is somebody who doesn't think they can take me to F3 for the instant parnaoia wincon.

[Cabd]

Of course, non zero odds that Lap just uh, didn't bus drive a damn thinig and just shot lemon in the face, too.



Can we talk about turtle next, actually? Turtle or Dunn, you pick, bear-bell.

[Cabd]

What other roles did you even submit, Lap?

[Cabd]

Can we talk about turtle next, actually? Turtle or Dunn, you pick, bear-bell.

I don't think Turtle's mafia cuz two scum fake guiltied her

I don't think Dunn's mafia because he's got this serious game face on

I dunno maybe he could be mafia I can't read the dude for shit

I mean, if somebody not me or you is capable of the tripple-fakeout deepwolf, it's HST?

[Cabd]

What other roles did you even submit, Lap?

Double neighborizer and day 2 compulsive vig

And you got triple-parity cop (night) and bus driver (night)?

[Cabd]

Okay I think I'm gonna go shower and think thoughts. They might even end up being shower thoughts.

I REALLY wanted you dead after the ircher flip, Lap. Especially since it was you and not drew who third party parnaoia'd into expanding the scumpool.

But now IDK. Want full massclaim nothing left behind on penalty of instant lim, Maria's up first.

[Cabd]

I mean, if somebody not me or you is capable of the tripple-fakeout deepwolf, it's HST?

does he even like doing those weird gambits? I thought he was a straight shooter, I guess I havent really played with him that much but like the way that d2 went down with the fake cop into the reflector thingy did not feel planned.

tho I guess he could be a fucking criminal mastermind but I just feel like nah?

maybe he's in my blind spot because he has a cute anime avatar and I can never scumread those

It's like, 1% but he has been up close and personal to Spay and I pulling those off on a team with him before and has mentioned how fun it looked so IDK, any game could be the one (TM)

[Cabd]

A horrible truth has come to me.

Laplacian is a dirty, filthy alt.

Wasn't that public knowledge?

[Cabd]

I am unaware of the existence of any alts

Says the mith alt!

[Cabd]

But yeah this game needs like, 500% more Maria and Dunn posting.

[Cabd]

Wait where's the Hu Tao scumread/shade? Dunn called them "null" at most?

[Cabd]

A horrible truth has come to me.

Laplacian is a dirty, filthy alt.

Nope, not an alt.

I mean I have no idea if you are or not I was just trolling Bell.

[Cabd]

I'm annoyed I lived but less annoyed to know it was either a scum gambit or a town busdrive I guess. Just weirdest-ass busdrive ever my dude if you're legit.

I'm gonna go stop posting until Maria shows up and we inspect her bath full of blood to see if it's the blood of the innocent or the guilty.

[Cabd]

Cabd, Maria, Hu, and Lap all visited Joyboy at some point this game

I showered and thought:

I hate that you posted this instead of demanding everyone fullclaim their visits first :/

Why is everyone playing suboptimally? Meme indeed.

[Cabd]

This is why we can't have nice things. Still less bad than that time nacho got eliminated in f3 while mech town cleared. But not getting any further away from it.

[Cabd]

Did someone ask me about Cabd scum.

I don’t think they’re scum this game because of the neighborhood shenanigans, their utilization of Titus, their clear interest and proactivity etc etc.

Would be super surprised if cabd scum.

I’m near certain he’ll die before end game if we don’t hit scum before then.

I did! But then it got moot because of the bus drive.

[Cabd]

Do you have anything in your list of abilities that could explain some of the failed lightning rod sends?

Also curious about this, I have theories but I do want to hear it from everyone offering a yes/no to this first.

[Cabd]

wait whats laplacian supposed to have done to joyboy

Reloader.

[Cabd]

Yeah lights confo scum and we are just try Harding for the last one today before they get to shoot me.

Do you want a mass claim today?

I'm interested in what lemon_ganski and Laplacian did last night

I used a reloader on Joyboy, which would have recharged any ability he used last night. He said he was going to self doc before Sakura spoke up, so I was hoping he'd use that and then get another night to stay alive

Laplacian's visit claim.

[Cabd]

I mean, I have three as well?

[Cabd]

Wait this is NIGHT activated yes? Not a day ability?

[Cabd]

Yah then I have no idea what Pooky means either.

[Cabd]

[Cabd]

I'm gonna go stop posting until Maria shows up and we inspect her bath full of blood to see if it's the blood of the innocent or the guilty.

No really, gonna need to see your blood permit, lass.

[Cabd]

I'm gonna go stop posting until Maria shows up and we inspect her bath full of blood to see if it's the blood of the innocent or the guilty.

No really, gonna need to see your blood permit, lass.

I'm not getting out of full claiming I'm just trying to make you all guess cause it's way more fun that way.

In the "hahahahahahhaaah the game is actually over because it's a confirm-able town role and now we just eliminate laplacian and drew and GG" sort of way? Or infinity less useful?

[Cabd]

Hmmm, I feel like the guesses I saw were friendly neighbor? Or delayed innocent child, I dunno. I didn't sleep for shit, I'm a zombie this morning.

[Cabd]

If it was friendly neighbor aren’t we just back where we started.

This entire game is Waiting for Godot.

It is still day one.

[Cabd]

Is that your way of just asking me to full claim? Daw.

I mean, you're the one delaying the fire brimstone and murder part of the day. DO you really want to deprive a sad puppy of his fire and brimstone and murder daily allotment?

[Cabd]

I see.

I'm willing to hear you out further, please do continue.

[Cabd]

Bad puppy. Down. No kibble.

[Cabd]

My wincon is simple. Use my fractional ability on every alive player.

Cool, so you're immune to your own lightning rod and.... fill us in on everything here, how many living players do you have yet to get?

[Cabd]

Do you like, announce your visitations or something?

Or how did lemon know?

[Cabd]

So should HST have been aware you visited them?

Are you told how many living players you have towards you win condition already?

[Cabd]

And what is that number currently then?

[Cabd]

Like if you want to try to win at all we should be discussing the specifics of all of your abilities here instead of me dragging it out piecemeal lest the dog get his way.

[Cabd]

I am EXTREMELY picky with third parties, but I am usually willing to let them try to joint win, yes.

"Fractional ability checker" does what exactly? And what data do you have from it?

[Cabd]

You lose if endgame triggers before you've accomplished that? Weird.

[Cabd]

Anyways, I'm going to go back to work and think about this all.

[Cabd]

If you at any point crumbed or softed visiting joyboy and your other targets BEFORE today's results got posted that would be swell. So point those out plz.

[Cabd]

Last mafia is Laplacian by the way. Dr. Drew would be arguing himself into a corner with that list of players as I believe we had enough eliminations remaining for Maria, Dr. Drew, and Laplacian.

I mean yes, if this isn't just scum-maria hanging on for extra time, which is still possible.

Heck, five bucks says mafia knows based on their factional stuff that there's a third party and that's why he broughtit up last phase.

[Cabd]

Day one ends on post 2353. All of Laplacian's ISO before this post should show a clear TRAJECTORY towards the reads he has, and his eventual targets, yes?

Let's look!


Lap's parity cop targets as claimed were:

Hu Tao, Lemon, and Dr. Drew

Day One Posts Mentioning Hu Tao

VOTE: Joyboy
Comrades, upon rereading I find Joyboy's roster of pirates and foes in revolutionary pamphlet #567 alarming. As has been called out by the ever-vigilant Doctor Drew and Lady Terminally Online, it included the absent light_ganski as an ally of Joyboy's under flimsy pretenses. Furthermore, the only two foes on the roster were Bell, a safe accusation at the time, and LTO, who is new to this union and its unique quirks. Joyboy then even says that LTO and Bell, his only two suspects are

not

aligned, meaning their read list only truly has one suspect in the end. I fear this incoherent list represents not Joyboy's true feelings, but was hastily built with ulterior motives. Joyboy is trying to deflect suspicion from away from his capitalistic lust for treasure.

Comrade, can I direct you to look at lemon?

Comrade Tao, I have already looked at lemon extensively, as per my grandiose speech in 318! I concluded that they where subtly undermining our union with their rhetoric. My post included both a vote for him and a delightful pun! I would be happy to vote him again should we convince more of our fellow workers of the world to unite in this cause. But first, I must investigate LTO's argument and Bell's rebuttal. This may take a while, as the combined length of both rivals the seminal work

Das Kapital

VOTE: Dunnstral

Comrade Firebringer, while our interactions in the past have sadly been few, I now feel compelled to ask why have you aimed your lens of suspicion at Comrade Dunnstral? Perusing the minutes of our past union meetings, the only time I can find you mentioning them was in missive #285. I had assumed this was in jest rather than a serious accusation of Dunn being a perfidious capitalist. Is there any further evidence for these aspersions so I may draw my own conclusions from your logic?

What do you think?

I think

I townread Firebringer and was confused by their vote, since I also townread Dunnstral. And it was right of me to ask since it was a meta argument and this is my 6th game on this site. I also think this is a bullshit post that exists solely because you've scumread me; I don't see anyone else asking other people questions getting

bold accusatory statements

. Likely case, you're tunneled. Worst case, scum trying to set me up as a future wagon.

And to get back in character. Something something unions good

If asking for an actual opinion is accusatory, then...I guess everything is accusatory. I have accused you of being scum, but directly giving you the opportunity to address my concerns is the opposite.

What are your HST and Lemon reads?

Comrade Titus, it was the bolding that I found offensive. As to your clarification and further questions, I have stated my opinions on many of our fellow workers throughout the game. My thoughts on Lemon.tangerine I have made abundantly clear; I find them suspicious across the board, from wording in early discussions, to an unprompted claim. I have happily voted them once, and would do so again without remorse or hesitation.

HolySpiritTurtle I find less clear due to their relative dearth of posts. I tentatively lean town, but this judgement may change after I see their case on Comrade Hu Tao.

I like HT & L_G's interactions around 1330ish.

Can we just put Pooky & Bell on opposite sides of the room? Bell's been the main character for like 90% of the game. Someone just cop/gunsmith him tonight so we can resolve it.

I'm also not reading any ISOs, used up all my tryhard energy thinking of synonyms for union and trying to remember how to spell bourgeoise

That's it. That's the entirety of direct mentions of their thoughts on Hu Tao one way or another before Day One ends. I'm supposed to believe this was his parity cop choice after leaving off on that positive note? (Oh, also, for the record, Hu Tao is NOT in his hero solve)

Let's do Drew next?

Day One Posts Mentioning Doctor Drew

VOTE: Joyboy
Comrades, upon rereading I find Joyboy's roster of pirates and foes in revolutionary pamphlet #567 alarming. As has been called out by the ever-vigilant Doctor Drew and Lady Terminally Online, it included the absent light_ganski as an ally of Joyboy's under flimsy pretenses. Furthermore, the only two foes on the roster were Bell, a safe accusation at the time, and LTO, who is new to this union and its unique quirks. Joyboy then even says that LTO and Bell, his only two suspects are

not

aligned, meaning their read list only truly has one suspect in the end. I fear this incoherent list represents not Joyboy's true feelings, but was hastily built with ulterior motives. Joyboy is trying to deflect suspicion from away from his capitalistic lust for treasure.

As page 47 heralds a friendly wager, I feel it unsporting to not enter

Spoiler: guess

Lemon, RH, Joyboy, Dr Drew

Wow. He literally only mentioned drew ONCE in passing as "Ever-vigilant" and then he's randomly in the hero solve?

Now Lemon gets plenty of mention, so let's go through Lemon.

Day One Posts Mentioning Lemon

Anyway inregards to our setup (i read someone posted it about being alot of 1-shot abilities which ofc it is lol) Id say that alot of ppl probably have much more creative abilities than on other forums.

Just a rumour i heard that setups are often more creative on mafiascum, sooo im expecting ppl to be doing more than complain abt union leaders lol

Aka throw nukes everywhere ty <3

Also n1 actions are gonna be p chaotic i assume bc 14 ppl all using joat actions lol (yes 15-1 is 14 after wagon)

So like what happens if everyone just kills another player?

Our noble group is 17 players, not 15. Likewise, we are blessed with a suite of one shots, made abundantly clear in the pre-game literature. Yet, this post is casual, nay, skeptical, about the existence of our one shots. Observe the hedging: "I read someone posted it", "a rumor", "probably have much more creative abilities". Our JOAT abilities were clear from the moment we signed up for the union!

COMRADES! I ask of you, why would a hard-working member of the proletariat ignore their unique skills and abilities? They would not. JOAT abilities are our way of interacting with the world, our way of finding information, our way of aiding and protecting allies, our way of furthering the perpetual march of progress! To ignore our skills is anathema to everything we stand for!

Therefore, there can be only one conclusion. Lemon.tangerine is a perfidious union-buster, as sour as his name. He has ignored his innate skills to focus on another ability, one shared with all scum. Murder.

VOTE: lemon.tangerine

Anyway inregards to our setup (i read someone posted it about being alot of 1-shot abilities which ofc it is lol) Id say that alot of ppl probably have much more creative abilities than on other forums.

Just a rumour i heard that setups are often more creative on mafiascum, sooo im expecting ppl to be doing more than complain abt union leaders lol

Aka throw nukes everywhere ty <3

Also n1 actions are gonna be p chaotic i assume bc 14 ppl all using joat actions lol (yes 15-1 is 14 after wagon)

So like what happens if everyone just kills another player?

Our noble group is 17 players, not 15. Likewise, we are blessed with a suite of one shots, made abundantly clear in the pre-game literature. Yet, this post is casual, nay, skeptical, about the existence of our one shots. Observe the hedging: "I read someone posted it", "a rumor", "probably have much more creative abilities". Our JOAT abilities were clear from the moment we signed up for the union!

COMRADES! I ask of you, why would a hard-working member of the proletariat ignore their unique skills and abilities? They would not. JOAT abilities are our way of interacting with the world, our way of finding information, our way of aiding and protecting allies, our way of furthering the perpetual march of progress! To ignore our skills is anathema to everything we stand for!

Therefore, there can be only one conclusion. Lemon.tangerine is a perfidious union-buster, as sour as his name. He has ignored his innate skills to focus on another ability, one shared with all scum. Murder.

VOTE: lemon.tangerine

Actually doesn’t this suggest otherwise? Omitting 2 players assumes 3-men team and if my brain still works correctly 17p usually has 4-men team, no?

I would indeed expect a 13-4 split; the foul bourgeoise would have sent no less than that to try, futile though it may be, to shatter our noble spirits. No, Lemon's omission of two comrades is a minor error that I would expect from distraction; instead the smoking gun of their perfidy comes from the skepticism of abilities. Reread their first sentence and tell me that it is not hedging, that is not feigned nonchalance. While the braying of Bell's possible slip still rings in our ears, lemon's words offer a far more damning perspective.

Omgus is nai

I concur. It is a natural reaction when one doubts your revolutionary spirit to lash back with harsh words and accusations. But while nai, it should be still noted in the annals of history in case a pattern of desperate flailing occurs.

Having revisited the minutes of our last union organizing meeting, I have identified several comrades who I believe are wholly devoted to our grand cause.

LTO: Has made herself a valuable member of this union with quick and intelligent reads
Pooky: A friendly comrade. Pocketed me early, so I must reevaluate in days to come
Dunnstral: While quiet, his words and votes are powerful and strategic
Titus: We may disagree, but she has a strong and confident spirit
Firebringer and Maid Cafe: Veteran union workers alike, whose casual play helps put all our hearts at ease.

I also fervently want to believe that Comrades Ircher and Relativistic Harmony can be trusted, but they have not yet demonstrated enough praxis to enmesh themselves within in my good graces.

Upon Joyboy and lemon.tangerine I have already expressed my doubts. Comrade Bell has also been troublesome to interpret, with actions both noble and base. However, suspicion is edging out. Any of these uncouth hobgoblins I would be happy to drag before a council of peers, as well as those suspiciously absent in discussions or in content.

VOTE: Joyboy
Comrades, upon rereading I find Joyboy's roster of pirates and foes in revolutionary pamphlet #567 alarming. As has been called out by the ever-vigilant Doctor Drew and Lady Terminally Online, it included the absent light_ganski as an ally of Joyboy's under flimsy pretenses. Furthermore, the only two foes on the roster were Bell, a safe accusation at the time, and LTO, who is new to this union and its unique quirks. Joyboy then even says that LTO and Bell, his only two suspects are

not

aligned, meaning their read list only truly has one suspect in the end. I fear this incoherent list represents not Joyboy's true feelings, but was hastily built with ulterior motives. Joyboy is trying to deflect suspicion from away from his capitalistic lust for treasure.

Comrade, can I direct you to look at lemon?

Comrade Tao, I have already looked at lemon extensively, as per my grandiose speech in 318! I concluded that they where subtly undermining our union with their rhetoric. My post included both a vote for him and a delightful pun! I would be happy to vote him again should we convince more of our fellow workers of the world to unite in this cause. But first, I must investigate LTO's argument and Bell's rebuttal. This may take a while, as the combined length of both rivals the seminal work

Das Kapital

Good day comrades! I have begun to catch up with the discussions I missed. Oh, that I could forsake sleep to forever revel in the spirit of the proletariat!

Comrade Bell continues to confound. I am no longer unsure if he is a noble revolutionary or a foul capitalist. While I will vote if necessary, I instead urge one of our union's cunning investigators to observe hia actiona closely during the night, as to truly divine his motives. Indeed, perhaps the second night, as his alleged isolation would render our investigator's hard work moot.

I have had little change of heart towards lemon.tangerine this past day. I see no reaaon to claim abilities in the manner they did unprompted, except to gain credibility with an alleged investigative role. Comrades, I remind all of you that fake claiming is easier than normal due to our suites of abilities.

In the past, I expressed my fervent wish to be able to trust Relativitic Harmony's revolutionary spirit. While my opinion has congealed, my wish did not come true. I am beginnimg to suspect RH to be a blaggart and infiltrator of our great union! I ask of you, noble workers, reread their words with a keen eye, see if you can see what I see

As page 47 heralds a friendly wager, I feel it unsporting to not enter

Spoiler: guess

Lemon, RH, Joyboy, Dr Drew

I'm calling the first post a clear RVS vote. The second post turns it into a serious scum read.



Here at least we have a clear trajectory to the read. But with that said... Here's why these targets fucking suck:


A parity cop's optimal town usage is to use a fairly well known target whose alignment you are nearly positive on, alongside two others. This gives you the most bang for your buck. None of the three names he chose as initial targets are in his "townpool".

What is the optimal MAFIA usage of a parity cop? Hint: Pick two murky towns and one scum and then when that scum flips you have a guaranteed mislim, OR when one of those towns dies anyways, well, now you have your murk-scum "cleared as town".

Here's his town pool. Why did none of these serve as the calibration choice?

LTO: Has made herself a valuable member of this union with quick and intelligent reads
Pooky: A friendly comrade. Pocketed me early, so I must reevaluate in days to come
Dunnstral: While quiet, his words and votes are powerful and strategic
Titus: We may disagree, but she has a strong and confident spirit
Firebringer and Maid Cafe: Veteran union workers alike, whose casual play helps put all our hearts at ease.

Why are the results "surprising" here?

Good morning comrades! I hope that we are all well rested and ready to resume our glorious revolution! Through a combination of meditation, interrogation, and rooting through garbage for suspicious evidence, I believe I have identified several comrades who are, surprisingly, trustworthy

From Laplacian's POV, he has a parity result on three people, none of which he was town reading, but one was NOT in his scum pool, and was in his "nulls" as of this point? Why should it be "surprising" to get a result of Hu Tao town? Hint: Because this is informed guilt and he knows Hu Tao is indeed his partner who he spent day one avoiding talking to or about much.

Add in the weirdness about being informed about third party, expanding the scum pool right when town wants to be narrowing it down.

[Cabd]

Last mafia is Laplacian by the way. Dr. Drew would be arguing himself into a corner with that list of players as I believe we had enough eliminations remaining for Maria, Dr. Drew, and Laplacian.

My one staying thought is why go through the bus drive ringamarole to "clear" me?

[Cabd]

(And I'm sure that murdering the lover pair and going down three slots in one day night cycle towards your win con is purely a cherry on top and not the primary motivation for it!)

[Cabd]

From Lemon's role:

1-shot Even Night Snoopy Coworker. On the even night of your choice, you can target a player to learn what non-factional ability types they have and whether the abilities have been used.

From Hu Tao's role:

Your abilities are:
1-shot Day Ability cop - Once during a game day you can investigate another player and learn what kinds of JOAT abilities they have
1-shot Vengeful - If you are eliminated, during twilight you can choose a player to kill on your way out

Your factional abilities are:
[REDACTED]

I'm pretty sure MariaR is lying. Their factional ability would itself be a factional ability and Lemon wouldn't be able to see it. This means MariaR has another ability she is not claiming.

My impression is that the visiting every night thing was factional, but the factional action cop was a oneshot JOAT ability?

[Cabd]

I'd feel WAY happier about this if you'd used said factional ability cop, ya know, and had results to give us.

[Cabd]

Well I don't really mind if we want to try to win with MariaR. Or if we don't. There's no reason too and she might be screwing us over. If we do decide to do it I'd prefer if we planned things out. If she can get everyone paired before final 3/4 with one of drew/laplacian already dead that would be ideal.

I am at the very least happy to plan out the option and see what sort of cushioning it affords us. If she believes that it's a ninja, then we eliminate Laplacian today 100% of the time, right? That techncially accordingly doesn't endgame her, but also gets us confirmation of that fact, maybe?

I'll let bear and doggo and the TF2 medicboy and HolySickTurtle think about it too. If we ARE going to work with Maria, it needs to be a unanimous decision. And I can HEAR Titus yelling at me from meowhalla.