JOAT uPick | FIN!

[Laplacian]

Comrades, while unions are essential for an equitable work environment, it is still fundamentally a capitalist system! Our union is only the beginning! We can seize the means of production and establish an anarcho-syndicalist council to distribute resources democratically!

[Laplacian]

Nice it begins
VOTE: Firepup

Warning in advance that im playing Infinite Wealth and atm my time for mafia is very limited, but i'll try to read and post at least once a day

Talking about infinite wealth? We have found the bourgeoisie
VOTE: Sakura Hana

[Laplacian]

welcome to the revolution comrade broccoli face

We can all be broccoli faces, for broccoli is a metaphor for our collective strength! Each little bud is individually weak, but they fractally bind together into tasty florets, which then merge into mighty stalks! Do you see comrades? By uniting into florets and stalks, we can be an even better vegetable together!


I'm not sure how the tiny leaves on the plant tie into this yet, but I'll have that figured out for tomorrow's speech.

[Laplacian]

VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

Not only is your vote not on bell, you have not articulated a single reason to suspect he is mafia.

Your only mention of him I can find is this:

bell is mafia btw

my work here is done

And his posts prior to your post 26 have no major feature, except the note about his role being able to take players out of the thread, which you've yet to comment on in any way.

All you've done is make posts in communist/union speak with no substance.

All union speak is substantive. The first step towards progress is awareness, shattering the false consciousness imposed by capitalist hegemony

[Laplacian]

VOTE: LadyTerminallyOffline

I too would like an explanation, comrade Joyboy. Limiting communication is how the capitalist keep us in the dark; only through talking openly can we understand each other and form a stronger union. Or as you may call it, a crew of nakama.

[Laplacian]

Welcome Ojou-Sama! What can we get you?

Coffee? Tea? Or maybe. . .

A scum team? UwU

Is this cafe employee owned?

[Laplacian]

I have to admit I don't much see the point in the excessive role play in a logic game, but clearly with the amount of people participating, they cannot all be mafia? It's just baffling to me but to each their own, I suppose. My point stands though that Pooky's yet to address the point. And the others appear to be role play posting in a way that conveniently skips out on addressing anything that could be alignment oriented in the posting so far.

I'm going to do my best to adjust to ignoring it. But, if the mafia team happens to have most of the role playing posters in it, I reserve the right to be smug in the post game even if we lose.

Roleplay is fun comrade! Play is essential to the mental well-being of all, and this combines acting and improvisation in innovative ways. When the revolution is complete, we will have taken back the time capitalists have stolen from us! When work and time are properly allocated according to needs instead of for heedless profit, we will have more time to play and enjoy life!

Also, the first day of any revolution comes with disorganization and chaos. Logic will come as more information appears - vote patterns and night actions will let us see where allegiances lie! Until then, our principal tool is talking, learning so we may spot inconstancies amongst the petit-bourgeoise traitors amongst us later

[Laplacian]

okay i townread bell now

You guys realize it would also be a scum claim for Pooky not to call me town by page 30 in bell land, right?

My expectations are kind of low there though, uh, assuming Pooky is town this game, which I dunno.

this is such a town bell post

no its not

Town Bell would expect me to read him as town

ould expect me to read him as town
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While I am well-versed in the theories and writing of Marx, Engels, and the other great visionaries, I am woefully ignorant of the works and deeds of Bell. Can you two elaborate on Bell's meta so I may make a more informed decision?

[Laplacian]

I’m tired. I hope someone gets day vigged soon.

I agree comrade. Violence should not be the monopoly of the state! If we are threatened by Pinkertons, we have the inextricable right to fight back!

[Laplacian]

Hey Joyboy, you voted for LadyTerminallyOffline, and when asked about it by several people you transitioned to this weird all caps roleplay and ignored them.

Ah, this is unfortunate. I saw it too but was hoping it would go unnoticed so that I could get more information out of the situation.

Not that anyone wants to engage on it besides us apparently.

I have been comrades with Joyboy in a previous revolution. He sadly did the exact same thing. Given historical determinism, we can expect ALL CAPS forever and discussions of meat soon

[Laplacian]

I have three people on the "I should be paranoid" list.
FB (but they're doing a good job), Dunn, and Laplacian.
I literally dunno which ones, if any are scum.

Based on what?

Laplacian has kind of sidled up to me and been generally supportive, but doesn't quite seem to be talking to or seems content for me not to directly speak with them. I think I'm just being weird there. But it's this zone that kind of occupies my mind, it reminds me of what Drew (and I can think of other times, it's just sort of a commonish ploy) did with FB in our last game together.

You're just blatantly siding up with me. Sometimes you town bin/defend me too fast when you're scum, lately anyway. This one is pretty strong coming from you. For an entrance I mean.

I have a sneaking suspicion FB just likes to be a contrarian and enjoys twisting themselves around when they see something and consider it a strength (I do this too, but on the other hand, I may be projecting).

I asked other comrades about your meta as your perspective was distributed to the masses in revolutionary pamphlet #203. But you are right comrade, I did not directly address you. For that I apologize, as all deserve attention equal to their need.

So how u doin?

[Laplacian]

(And for the no-fun crew who don't like roleplaying, I'll get bored with this communist-manifesto-shitposting bit in a couple days and then start actually trying)

[Laplacian]

uh excuse me but this is a wendy's

Even a humble Wendy's needs a union!

[Laplacian]

Anyway inregards to our setup (i read someone posted it about being alot of 1-shot abilities which ofc it is lol) Id say that alot of ppl probably have much more creative abilities than on other forums.

Just a rumour i heard that setups are often more creative on mafiascum, sooo im expecting ppl to be doing more than complain abt union leaders lol

Aka throw nukes everywhere ty <3

Also n1 actions are gonna be p chaotic i assume bc 14 ppl all using joat actions lol (yes 15-1 is 14 after wagon)

So like what happens if everyone just kills another player?

Our noble group is 17 players, not 15. Likewise, we are blessed with a suite of one shots, made abundantly clear in the pre-game literature. Yet, this post is casual, nay, skeptical, about the existence of our one shots. Observe the hedging: "I read someone posted it", "a rumor", "probably have much more creative abilities". Our JOAT abilities were clear from the moment we signed up for the union!

COMRADES! I ask of you, why would a hard-working member of the proletariat ignore their unique skills and abilities? They would not. JOAT abilities are our way of interacting with the world, our way of finding information, our way of aiding and protecting allies, our way of furthering the perpetual march of progress! To ignore our skills is anathema to everything we stand for!

Therefore, there can be only one conclusion. Lemon.tangerine is a perfidious union-buster, as sour as his name. He has ignored his innate skills to focus on another ability, one shared with all scum. Murder.

VOTE: lemon.tangerine

[Laplacian]

Anyway inregards to our setup (i read someone posted it about being alot of 1-shot abilities which ofc it is lol) Id say that alot of ppl probably have much more creative abilities than on other forums.

Just a rumour i heard that setups are often more creative on mafiascum, sooo im expecting ppl to be doing more than complain abt union leaders lol

Aka throw nukes everywhere ty <3

Also n1 actions are gonna be p chaotic i assume bc 14 ppl all using joat actions lol (yes 15-1 is 14 after wagon)

So like what happens if everyone just kills another player?

Our noble group is 17 players, not 15. Likewise, we are blessed with a suite of one shots, made abundantly clear in the pre-game literature. Yet, this post is casual, nay, skeptical, about the existence of our one shots. Observe the hedging: "I read someone posted it", "a rumor", "probably have much more creative abilities". Our JOAT abilities were clear from the moment we signed up for the union!

COMRADES! I ask of you, why would a hard-working member of the proletariat ignore their unique skills and abilities? They would not. JOAT abilities are our way of interacting with the world, our way of finding information, our way of aiding and protecting allies, our way of furthering the perpetual march of progress! To ignore our skills is anathema to everything we stand for!

Therefore, there can be only one conclusion. Lemon.tangerine is a perfidious union-buster, as sour as his name. He has ignored his innate skills to focus on another ability, one shared with all scum. Murder.

VOTE: lemon.tangerine

Actually doesn’t this suggest otherwise? Omitting 2 players assumes 3-men team and if my brain still works correctly 17p usually has 4-men team, no?

I would indeed expect a 13-4 split; the foul bourgeoise would have sent no less than that to try, futile though it may be, to shatter our noble spirits. No, Lemon's omission of two comrades is a minor error that I would expect from distraction; instead the smoking gun of their perfidy comes from the skepticism of abilities. Reread their first sentence and tell me that it is not hedging, that is not feigned nonchalance. While the braying of Bell's possible slip still rings in our ears, lemon's words offer a far more damning perspective.

[Laplacian]

I specifically did not ask for a day vig because I know I have absolutely no self control

As we have yet to see any comrades overcome with aggressive revolutionary fervor, firing off their dayvigs to lead the vanguard, I must imagine dayvigs are rare. The limitations on bullet hell further imply this.

I asked for, amongst other abilities, a compulsive day 2 vig, but was shunned. And rightly so, as my inspiring prose is best used in organizing glorious revolution, rather than in direct praxis.

[Laplacian]

It was in reference to the fact that I can post after I die.

Comrade Bell, how precisely does this professed ability work? I find myself wary of the mystic and necromantic arts, and would like to know more to assuage my fears.

[Laplacian]

Joyboy is more interesting that Bell

BECAUSE I'M GONNA BECOME KING OF THE PIRATES!

Comrade Joyboy, history has been full of noble thieves such as Robin of Locksley. If you wish my support in becoming King of the Pirates, would you pledge to redistribute the wealth seized from merchant ships to the masses? If not, I must be forced to join my fellow union organizing committee members in denouncing your claim.

[Laplacian]

Joyboy is more interesting that Bell

BECAUSE I'M GONNA BECOME KING OF THE PIRATES!

Comrade Joyboy, history has been full of noble thieves such as Robin of Locksley. If you wish my support in becoming King of the Pirates, would you pledge to redistribute the wealth seized from merchant ships to the masses? If not, I must be forced to join my fellow union organizing committee members in denouncing your claim.

WILL YOU GIVE ME FOOD?

Of course comrade. When the revolution is complete, food will be grown and cooked from each according to their ability, and distributed to each according to their need.

[Laplacian]

Joyboy is more interesting that Bell

On my personal reads level, yeah. On a gameplay level, Bell. What's the downside in limming Bell?

If i had to think of a downside it'd probably being unsure abt bell since from what i remember his posts could come from either alignment. I also checked back and i don't really get the slip comment on them.

Meanwhile Joyboy is a much more attractive vote in my eyes, same as Hu Tao maybe

Did you miss Bell can talk after death?

Titus, why would killing a towns person be better than leaving them alive.

I'm not sure if you're town and you can talk after death so we don't really suffer downsides.

Comrade, how could you say such a thing! If we assume that Bell is a noble comrade, the loss of his vote and loss of a potential 3rd, as-yet-unclaimed skill from Bell would be a loss of all of us in the union. While I myself am not wholly convinced of Bell's devotion to our socialist causes, this is a callous statement I would expect not from a forward-thinking comrade, but rather from the selfish bourgeoise and their jackbooted thugs.

[Laplacian]

Joyboy is more interesting that Bell

On my personal reads level, yeah. On a gameplay level, Bell. What's the downside in limming Bell?

If i had to think of a downside it'd probably being unsure abt bell since from what i remember his posts could come from either alignment. I also checked back and i don't really get the slip comment on them.

Meanwhile Joyboy is a much more attractive vote in my eyes, same as Hu Tao maybe

Did you miss Bell can talk after death?

Titus, why would killing a towns person be better than leaving them alive.

I'm not sure if you're town and you can talk after death so we don't really suffer downsides.

Comrade, how could you say such a thing! If we assume that Bell is a noble comrade, the loss of his vote and loss of a potential 3rd, as-yet-unclaimed skill from Bell would be a loss of all of us in the union. While I myself am not wholly convinced of Bell's devotion to our socialist causes, this is a callous statement I would expect not from a forward-thinking comrade, but rather from the selfish bourgeoise and their jackbooted thugs.

Why would Bell have a third skill? Did scum get yhree skills?

The very formation of this union had all comrades blessed with

up to

three skills. I do not know how many skills he has, but there is the possibility of one more to be seen.

[Laplacian]

hey titus, as of now could you maybe look somewhere else that isnt bell?

I have. Joyboy and broccoli are acceptable.

Note comrades, that after I call out Titus's words as being anti-union, she now casts aspersions on my vegeacious self! There is no supporting evidence in her words. Engels himself described this very action in his work

Behaviors of the Modern Capitalist

as an "OMGUS"

[Laplacian]

Omgus is nai

I concur. It is a natural reaction when one doubts your revolutionary spirit to lash back with harsh words and accusations. But while nai, it should be still noted in the annals of history in case a pattern of desperate flailing occurs.

[Laplacian]

Anyway inregards to our setup (i read someone posted it about being alot of 1-shot abilities which ofc it is lol) Id say that alot of ppl probably have much more creative abilities than on other forums.

Just a rumour i heard that setups are often more creative on mafiascum, sooo im expecting ppl to be doing more than complain abt union leaders lol

Aka throw nukes everywhere ty <3

Also n1 actions are gonna be p chaotic i assume bc 14 ppl all using joat actions lol (yes 15-1 is 14 after wagon)

So like what happens if everyone just kills another player?

Our noble group is 17 players, not 15. Likewise, we are blessed with a suite of one shots, made abundantly clear in the pre-game literature. Yet, this post is casual, nay, skeptical, about the existence of our one shots. Observe the hedging: "I read someone posted it", "a rumor", "probably have much more creative abilities". Our JOAT abilities were clear from the moment we signed up for the union!

COMRADES! I ask of you, why would a hard-working member of the proletariat ignore their unique skills and abilities? They would not. JOAT abilities are our way of interacting with the world, our way of finding information, our way of aiding and protecting allies, our way of furthering the perpetual march of progress! To ignore our skills is anathema to everything we stand for!

Therefore, there can be only one conclusion. Lemon.tangerine is a perfidious union-buster, as sour as his name. He has ignored his innate skills to focus on another ability, one shared with all scum. Murder.

VOTE: lemon.tangerine

Actually doesn’t this suggest otherwise? Omitting 2 players assumes 3-men team and if my brain still works correctly 17p usually has 4-men team, no?

I would indeed expect a 13-4 split; the foul bourgeoise would have sent no less than that to try, futile though it may be, to shatter our noble spirits. No, Lemon's omission of two comrades is a minor error that I would expect from distraction; instead the smoking gun of their perfidy comes from the skepticism of abilities. Reread their first sentence and tell me that it is not hedging, that is not feigned nonchalance. While the braying of Bell's possible slip still rings in our ears, lemon's words offer a far more damning perspective.

Yup, you and joyboy teamed.

Now maybe Bell, maybe TMI. Still you two are likely scum.

Bell's probably the lim so why fight it?

Was this not Titus' initial reason for calling you mafia? While It's not exactly a thesis paper, I hardly think it's entirely a snap decision to call you mafia NOW with no history of reading you as such prior only after you expressed your own read, Laplacian.

hey titus, as of now could you maybe look somewhere else that isnt bell?

I have. Joyboy and broccoli are acceptable.

Note comrades, that after I call out Titus's words as being anti-union, she now casts aspersions on my vegeacious self! There is no supporting evidence in her words. Engels himself described this very action in his work

Behaviors of the Modern Capitalist

as an "OMGUS"

A simple ISO reveals this to be false.

Apologies comrades, I indeed missed this post in my zeal to root out the anti-unionist scum within us. My speech, while no doubt inspiring to the proletariat masses, requires much concentration and occasionally switching to another tab with a thesaurus. While your suspicion of me is baseless as my revolutionary spirit cannot be denied, your feelings were expressed in the past.

[Laplacian]

VOTE: Joyboy
Comrades, upon rereading I find Joyboy's roster of pirates and foes in revolutionary pamphlet #567 alarming. As has been called out by the ever-vigilant Doctor Drew and Lady Terminally Online, it included the absent light_ganski as an ally of Joyboy's under flimsy pretenses. Furthermore, the only two foes on the roster were Bell, a safe accusation at the time, and LTO, who is new to this union and its unique quirks. Joyboy then even says that LTO and Bell, his only two suspects are

not

aligned, meaning their read list only truly has one suspect in the end. I fear this incoherent list represents not Joyboy's true feelings, but was hastily built with ulterior motives. Joyboy is trying to deflect suspicion from away from his capitalistic lust for treasure.

[Laplacian]

Having revisited the minutes of our last union organizing meeting, I have identified several comrades who I believe are wholly devoted to our grand cause.

LTO: Has made herself a valuable member of this union with quick and intelligent reads
Pooky: A friendly comrade. Pocketed me early, so I must reevaluate in days to come
Dunnstral: While quiet, his words and votes are powerful and strategic
Titus: We may disagree, but she has a strong and confident spirit
Firebringer and Maid Cafe: Veteran union workers alike, whose casual play helps put all our hearts at ease.

I also fervently want to believe that Comrades Ircher and Relativistic Harmony can be trusted, but they have not yet demonstrated enough praxis to enmesh themselves within in my good graces.

Upon Joyboy and lemon.tangerine I have already expressed my doubts. Comrade Bell has also been troublesome to interpret, with actions both noble and base. However, suspicion is edging out. Any of these uncouth hobgoblins I would be happy to drag before a council of peers, as well as those suspiciously absent in discussions or in content.

[Laplacian]

VOTE: Joyboy
Comrades, upon rereading I find Joyboy's roster of pirates and foes in revolutionary pamphlet #567 alarming. As has been called out by the ever-vigilant Doctor Drew and Lady Terminally Online, it included the absent light_ganski as an ally of Joyboy's under flimsy pretenses. Furthermore, the only two foes on the roster were Bell, a safe accusation at the time, and LTO, who is new to this union and its unique quirks. Joyboy then even says that LTO and Bell, his only two suspects are

not

aligned, meaning their read list only truly has one suspect in the end. I fear this incoherent list represents not Joyboy's true feelings, but was hastily built with ulterior motives. Joyboy is trying to deflect suspicion from away from his capitalistic lust for treasure.

Comrade, can I direct you to look at lemon?

Comrade Tao, I have already looked at lemon extensively, as per my grandiose speech in 318! I concluded that they where subtly undermining our union with their rhetoric. My post included both a vote for him and a delightful pun! I would be happy to vote him again should we convince more of our fellow workers of the world to unite in this cause. But first, I must investigate LTO's argument and Bell's rebuttal. This may take a while, as the combined length of both rivals the seminal work

Das Kapital

[Laplacian]

Comrades, I have reviewed the contrasting literature of Lady Terminally Online and Bell. I must first say that many of Lady's assumptions to be superfluous to the overall argument. A work of Newton need not recite the axioms of Euclid. Despite this, Bell feels the need to rebut the point about scum win-conditions, despite missing the parenthetical clarification and it being irrelevant.

Percentage of posts pertaining to emotion is a solid point. While pathos is essential for glorious revolution, it must come from a place of understanding the plight of all workers, not just mournfully repeating ones own state in the world.

I am unconvinced by the evolving claim and the straw man, but understand the perspective

However, the fourth point is the most powerful. Bell has cast a single vote, ever, in his 6th post. This vote has sat, unchanged, unmoving, unevolving, for 144 more posts of Bell's and pages upon pages of other posts! Despite the numerous cited instances of Bell decrying LTO's behavior. Another deflection.

LTO's thesis shows her to be incontrovertibly on the right side of history, seeking to root out the capitalist scum for the good of all humankind. I am not swayed by Bell's rebuttal. Should we, as one mind, move to exile Bell to the frozen gulags of Siberia, I will contribute my vote with a clear conscience.

[Laplacian]

Should Comrade Bell be voted out as town, I shall mourn the loss of a noble revolutionary with sympathy. I too have known the pain of being scumread and wagoned day 1.

[Laplacian]

Good day comrades! I have begun to catch up with the discussions I missed. Oh, that I could forsake sleep to forever revel in the spirit of the proletariat!

Comrade Bell continues to confound. I am no longer unsure if he is a noble revolutionary or a foul capitalist. While I will vote if necessary, I instead urge one of our union's cunning investigators to observe hia actiona closely during the night, as to truly divine his motives. Indeed, perhaps the second night, as his alleged isolation would render our investigator's hard work moot.

I have had little change of heart towards lemon.tangerine this past day. I see no reaaon to claim abilities in the manner they did unprompted, except to gain credibility with an alleged investigative role. Comrades, I remind all of you that fake claiming is easier than normal due to our suites of abilities.

In the past, I expressed my fervent wish to be able to trust Relativitic Harmony's revolutionary spirit. While my opinion has congealed, my wish did not come true. I am beginnimg to suspect RH to be a blaggart and infiltrator of our great union! I ask of you, noble workers, reread their words with a keen eye, see if you can see what I see

[Laplacian]

To be clear, my question is why did you make a statement saying you dislike revealing your cards and then claiming your cards out of nowhere(?)

Comrade Bell, I have a question about your abilties as well. Your stump ability, is it as permanent as the spirit of revolution? Or doea it merely last a day after death before rotting away to be forgotten.

[Laplacian]

Let me ask, there’s no explicit mention of duration in the role.

Laplace, walk me through why you think I’m scum this game if you’ve fully caught up. Your flavor writing is getting in the way of providing a clear reason why you’re holding this position.

Since you said Laplace inatead of the dull sobriquet "Lap", I shall indulge with a flavourless explaination.

You're not hard scum, more 'theres been so much both towny and scummy stuff that idfk some invest figure this out'

Scummy:
Early claims bad
Not really scumhunting
Defense appealed to emotion
Did not like your response to LTO'a big case

Towny:
The 'slip' chat was a dumb accusation
Last 10ish pages good
The speed the accusations spun up make me think a scum was on it
Post by post catchup was so weird feels it could only come from town

In conclusion, ????? please someone cop you so i can spend energy reading others

[Laplacian]

VOTE: Dunnstral

Comrade Firebringer, while our interactions in the past have sadly been few, I now feel compelled to ask why have you aimed your lens of suspicion at Comrade Dunnstral? Perusing the minutes of our past union meetings, the only time I can find you mentioning them was in missive #285. I had assumed this was in jest rather than a serious accusation of Dunn being a perfidious capitalist. Is there any further evidence for these aspersions so I may draw my own conclusions from your logic?

[Laplacian]

VOTE: Dunnstral

Comrade Firebringer, while our interactions in the past have sadly been few, I now feel compelled to ask why have you aimed your lens of suspicion at Comrade Dunnstral? Perusing the minutes of our past union meetings, the only time I can find you mentioning them was in missive #285. I had assumed this was in jest rather than a serious accusation of Dunn being a perfidious capitalist. Is there any further evidence for these aspersions so I may draw my own conclusions from your logic?

I think dunnstral pressuring Ircher was a safe bet for scum him to get integrated in the game, and more closely mimics his scum game than town game. His town game is slow and methodical, here he has more takes that seem more fleshed out. Its too fast for town!dunnstral imo.

Thank you comrade for your insights. My crusades for the peoples' glorious revolution have not led my path to cross Dunnstral's in the past, so I am uninformed of his meta. As I find fast, decisive action to be befitting a revolutionary spirit, and am alarmed to hear this may not be the case. Do you have any of Dunnstral's previous revolutionary publications I can browse to confirm the trends within his actions?

[Laplacian]

Comrade Ircher, thank you for your comments on the state of our noble union in 1102. Your words feel true, and if asked by my fellow union organizers, am inclined to recommend you for a position on the union leadership council.

I am also pleased by your comment of LTO's opus, especially that we have a similar understanding. To be direct, did you find her words and case "airtight"? I ask in reference to Comrade Relativistic Harmony's quote in 790, which I find suspiciously agreeable.

[Laplacian]

As page 47 heralds a friendly wager, I feel it unsporting to not enter

Spoiler: guess

Lemon, RH, Joyboy, Dr Drew

[Laplacian]

VOTE: Dunnstral

Comrade Firebringer, while our interactions in the past have sadly been few, I now feel compelled to ask why have you aimed your lens of suspicion at Comrade Dunnstral? Perusing the minutes of our past union meetings, the only time I can find you mentioning them was in missive #285. I had assumed this was in jest rather than a serious accusation of Dunn being a perfidious capitalist. Is there any further evidence for these aspersions so I may draw my own conclusions from your logic?

I’m sorry for interrupting but could you get back to me on my response to within the next *…18 hours?* yeah, I’m okay with you responding in the next 18 hours instead of immediately as long as you’re doing something.

*tilts head*

1. Could you examine why this particular claim is bad to claim early or how claiming it later would provide town with an advantage?
2. I cannot address this. I was. I was also at work constantly being interrupted and I get distracted by pressure. I did say my posting would clear up over the weekend, and it did. In its way.
3. I can’t think of a meaningful way to engage with this statement that isn’t just asking you to explain why having emotional statement or my particular emotions were scummy or scum aligned.
4. Okay.

5.it sure was but that was part of my emotional posting. I don’t think that’s townie. Do you mean that you think that scum tried to capitalize or that Pooky themselves is scum using a that case?
6. Yesh.
7. Sure, my buddies don’t particularly seem hesitant to vote me. As a macro observation.but I have my defenders.
8. It’s a whole bag of worms. It’s tiring being me. This isn’t even a particularly noteworthy game, I’d say about 20% of my games end up with me flailing and getting pressured early before reaching escape velocity.

Of course Comrade Bell, my apologies for not responding sooner. Our discussion was cut short by my dance practice, and I forgot to respond upon seeing the exciting verbal duels occurring in our union hall. It seems you feel some points were addressed

1. The proclaimed neighbor ability of your isolation makes it trivially confirmable. While it is not as pro-town as a physician, I do not find it as suspicious as miller that it must be claimed immediately. However, you clearly disagree from both your reveal and post 800

2. I agree your posting has felt less suspicious as time goes on

3. There's appeal to emotion, and then there's noting but appeal to emotion. LTO's enumeration of posts by appeal was enlightening to me. I do not doubt that your emotions are real, but I do feel that solely relying on them leads to folly.

5. The "slip" felt town vs town. I do not believe there was a slip, merely a natural phrasing when 75% of players will be town. Meanwhile, a fellow town was looking for anything and thought they found a gotcha.

8. While I do not disbelieve your self-meta, I also don't feel energized enough to seek it out.

I hope you find this satisfactory.

[Laplacian]

Wth is a pirate and wth is a crewmate

A pirate is a naval bandit, attacking other ships to try to acquire wealth.
A crewmate is someone who serves with you on a ship.
I hope this aids you Comrade Hana, and advise you to invest in a dictionary.

(99% sure pirate is town lean, crewmate is hard town)

[Laplacian]

VOTE: Dunnstral

Comrade Firebringer, while our interactions in the past have sadly been few, I now feel compelled to ask why have you aimed your lens of suspicion at Comrade Dunnstral? Perusing the minutes of our past union meetings, the only time I can find you mentioning them was in missive #285. I had assumed this was in jest rather than a serious accusation of Dunn being a perfidious capitalist. Is there any further evidence for these aspersions so I may draw my own conclusions from your logic?

What do you think?

I think

I townread Firebringer and was confused by their vote, since I also townread Dunnstral. And it was right of me to ask since it was a meta argument and this is my 6th game on this site. I also think this is a bullshit post that exists solely because you've scumread me; I don't see anyone else asking other people questions getting

bold accusatory statements

. Likely case, you're tunneled. Worst case, scum trying to set me up as a future wagon.

And to get back in character. Something something unions good

[Laplacian]

VOTE: Dunnstral

Comrade Firebringer, while our interactions in the past have sadly been few, I now feel compelled to ask why have you aimed your lens of suspicion at Comrade Dunnstral? Perusing the minutes of our past union meetings, the only time I can find you mentioning them was in missive #285. I had assumed this was in jest rather than a serious accusation of Dunn being a perfidious capitalist. Is there any further evidence for these aspersions so I may draw my own conclusions from your logic?

What do you think?

I think

I townread Firebringer and was confused by their vote, since I also townread Dunnstral. And it was right of me to ask since it was a meta argument and this is my 6th game on this site. I also think this is a bullshit post that exists solely because you've scumread me; I don't see anyone else asking other people questions getting

bold accusatory statements

. Likely case, you're tunneled. Worst case, scum trying to set me up as a future wagon.

And to get back in character. Something something unions good

If asking for an actual opinion is accusatory, then...I guess everything is accusatory. I have accused you of being scum, but directly giving you the opportunity to address my concerns is the opposite.

What are your HST and Lemon reads?

Comrade Titus, it was the bolding that I found offensive. As to your clarification and further questions, I have stated my opinions on many of our fellow workers throughout the game. My thoughts on Lemon.tangerine I have made abundantly clear; I find them suspicious across the board, from wording in early discussions, to an unprompted claim. I have happily voted them once, and would do so again without remorse or hesitation.

HolySpiritTurtle I find less clear due to their relative dearth of posts. I tentatively lean town, but this judgement may change after I see their case on Comrade Hu Tao.

[Laplacian]

VOTE: Dunnstral

Comrade Firebringer, while our interactions in the past have sadly been few, I now feel compelled to ask why have you aimed your lens of suspicion at Comrade Dunnstral? Perusing the minutes of our past union meetings, the only time I can find you mentioning them was in missive #285. I had assumed this was in jest rather than a serious accusation of Dunn being a perfidious capitalist. Is there any further evidence for these aspersions so I may draw my own conclusions from your logic?

What do you think?

I think

I townread Firebringer and was confused by their vote, since I also townread Dunnstral. And it was right of me to ask since it was a meta argument and this is my 6th game on this site. I also think this is a bullshit post that exists solely because you've scumread me; I don't see anyone else asking other people questions getting

bold accusatory statements

. Likely case, you're tunneled. Worst case, scum trying to set me up as a future wagon.

And to get back in character. Something something unions good

If asking for an actual opinion is accusatory, then...I guess everything is accusatory. I have accused you of being scum, but directly giving you the opportunity to address my concerns is the opposite.

What are your HST and Lemon reads?

Comrade Titus, I have presented my reads, but I am still unsatisfied with this discussion. If your intent was to ask me about my reads, to absolve myself of the sins you see, then this is a bewildering way to go approach it! You could merely have said "hey broccoli, who scum?" or a similar vernacular phrase. To quote my question to Firebringer ask "

What do you think?

", implies you are asking me solely about Dunnstral and this vote. If you truly meant to ask me about my opinions overall, this was a sorry attempt to do so.

Furthermore, if you truly wanted my opinions, why bold this question when they are so plainly visible! Today I have posted my changing thoughts of RH, reiterated my opinion of lemon, and discussed my mixed feelings about Bell!

I can't help but see a contradiction here. If you truly wanted my opinions, they are fresh and clear in my isolated body of work, why not look for them? Why not ask plainly? Why use this specific wording and formatting? I await your response.

[Laplacian]

@laplacian
This was the last scum game of dunnstral i remember-
viewtopic.php?t=90851

Thank you Comrade Firebringer for searching the archives for Dunnstral's corpus. I shall read it overnight to seek hints towards Dunnstral's revolutionary spirit or capitalist leanings.

[Laplacian]

gonna skip the gimmick for now since there's 800 posts to catch up. when I'm gone for a day you should all just spend the whole time asking "where's laplacian? i miss his delightful 1800s marxist rp" so my life is easier

[Laplacian]

I like HT & L_G's interactions around 1330ish.

Can we just put Pooky & Bell on opposite sides of the room? Bell's been the main character for like 90% of the game. Someone just cop/gunsmith him tonight so we can resolve it.

I'm also not reading any ISOs, used up all my tryhard energy thinking of synonyms for union and trying to remember how to spell bourgeoise

[Laplacian]

Still not liking RH, hopping on easy wagons. Getting more sus of maid cafe from 1480 and the subsequent page. Town points to Pooky for calling it out

[Laplacian]

Sakura?

Isn't it a bit early. I have literally no info i can be confident on for townreading anyone to the point of townbloccing.

Who are your biggest TRs? Why is about 60 pages not enough?

Firepup and Bell. Why is page count relevant? Literally 70% of those pages have been Bell vs the world

Good catchup earlier, and this post feels towny af to me. Leantown on Sakura

[Laplacian]

Halt please on getting them close to self hammer range.

Titus and I need to do some charting when we both scheduled to do so. In approximately one hour.

They're at E-3. If RH manages gets 2 more votes in the next hour

and

self hammers, that is so much information about vote patterns that when we add N1 actions we can probably solve the game with that alone. If I was still doing the my communist gimmick I'd say you were... stalin

[Laplacian]

Okay, some additional points about Harmony that I feel need to hit the thread so that everyone has the full picture.

1: I used a day action to neighborize two people near the start of this phase. Those two players were Titus and Harmony. (This should make the weird post Titus made make sense now!)
2: Titus and I have been quite talkative and active within our neighborhood, both in terms of reads and a few other things. She helped me proofread my Bell case, for instance. I am nearly at "bet the game on town" level for Titus, and I am unlikely to be talked down from this.
3: My role also created a Titus-Harmony neighborhood that I am unable to see or interact with. Titus will speak to her impression of the Titus-Harmony hood in reply to this post.
4: If any of myself, Titus, or Harmony cease to be alive, all three neighborhoods immediately shut down permanently.
5: Harmony has been incredibly standoffish in our neighborhood, and once I posted the "slip" message in the main thread, they've not posted in the hood or made any attempt to try to talk to me or convince me otherwise
6: My gut is we have mafia trying to shut up to not spew, and I neighbored wrong and hit mafia there.
7: I will be leaving a last will with Titus overnight once the flip is known, (Or right before thread lock should we eliminate harmony) you are not required to follow it should I die, but it should serve to give some additional info that my flip might not. Titus will be doing the same with me in reverse.
8: Harmony did partially claim one of their abilities to both of us separately well before all of this went down.

Oh shiiii, this makes sense. Okay, now I see why we chill. LTO, at approximately what post did you make the neighborhood?

[Laplacian]

Also, Joyboy's been getting townier as time goes on, so UNVOTE:

[Laplacian]

Chatting. Sorry. I am posting on mobile while doing housework while I wait for Titus' availability.

Np, but can you let us know about what post number you started the neighborhood? I want to do look at RH again with this prior

[Laplacian]

Thank you comrade!

[Laplacian]

One more question LTO. Was it only Titus that contributed to 761 or did RH help out? The "airtight" comment in 790 pings me hard

[Laplacian]

... I also just realized you were LT

Offline

, not Online. I read the "terminally o" and just extrapolated wrong

[Laplacian]

RH's claimed abilities give me pause, but they're easy to claim and only ine is verifiable

Also how does the claim verifier work in a game where we're all joats? Does it test 1 ability or all 3?

In conclusion, want some more talking and discussion but still happy to vote in RH in a bit

[Laplacian]

do i still get to lol shoot pooky

you can shoot me any day buddy

Genuinely shocked we havemt seen a dayvig

[Laplacian]

I'm waiting on a response to 2299 by RH

no response

-TL

Yep, that convinced me
VOTE: RH

[Laplacian]

Comrade, a hammer from one of us is a hammer from all of us!

[Laplacian]

Good morning comrades! I hope that we are all well rested and ready to resume our glorious revolution! Through a combination of meditation, interrogation, and rooting through garbage for suspicious evidence, I believe I have identified several comrades who are, surprisingly, trustworthy

[Laplacian]

Good morning comrades! I hope that we are all well rested and ready to resume our glorious revolution! Through a combination of meditation, interrogation, and rooting through garbage for suspicious evidence, I believe I have identified several comrades who are, surprisingly, trustworthy

Weird choice to post this then not actually, you know, just come out and say them in the same post. But you do you.


I have to say the last bits of yesterday were thrilling, and I see why folks play this game more often than once a decade.

Going to wait for a little longer to see if there's claims of a redirector or bus driver

[Laplacian]

Good morning comrades! I hope that we are all well rested and ready to resume our glorious revolution! Through a combination of meditation, interrogation, and rooting through garbage for suspicious evidence, I believe I have identified several comrades who are, surprisingly, trustworthy

Weird choice to post this then not actually, you know, just come out and say them in the same post. But you do you.


I have to say the last bits of yesterday were thrilling, and I see why folks play this game more often than once a decade.

Going to wait for a little longer to see if there's claims of a redirector or bus driver

At least one person got fucked up with

Good to know, which means we'll want to take these results cautiously until we know all the shifts that happened.

Last night I used a triple parity cop. Hu Tao, Doctor Drew, and lemon.tangerine all have the same win condition. Which means either I nailed scum team or more likely, they're all town. If any of those 3 were bus drove, hopefully we can backtrace it and figure out who was actually copped

[Laplacian]

Also, someone also gave me a one-shot item. Thank you anonymous comrade for redistributing your abilities to the masses according to their needs!

[Laplacian]

Also, someone also gave me a one-shot item. Thank you anonymous comrade for redistributing your abilities to the masses according to their needs!

Wait so there is no redirection? I'm so confused

It would appear that somebody sent people targeting you to Bell instead.

If this is true, then it would mean my parity cop went to Dr Drew, lemon, and bell.

[Laplacian]

everyone I checked out had the same win condition. No mention of me going to specific people

[Laplacian]

There is at least 1 scum between Lap and Lemon.

[Logical gaps]

Bell is town.

TItus, what ability led to this? I'm having trouble meshing this with my parity results

[Laplacian]

ok so the mafia had to have bus driven you 2 right

Pooky give me five to lay out what we know.

*grabs popcorn*

[Laplacian]

my visit is completely unrelated to the topic on hand

No, it feels quite related. What was your visit?

[Laplacian]

Lap, did your feedback say your targets are all aligned or specific names?

entire group I visited, no names. LTO asked that last page too, lol

[Laplacian]

Rofl, makes sense why you were confident who the bomber was in 2464

[Laplacian]

Yeah, this resolving with lemon being the bomber makes the most sense, as lemon and bell couldn't both be scum. And what Pooky said wrt lightning rod

[Laplacian]

I still think Lap is lying for the record because of how lap implied their feedback was given, but that'll be sorted out by bullets or endgame.

also, fukkin lol. I'd quote mod coms if I could, but I assume ff phrased it that way because of bus drives

[Laplacian]

The feedback quoted my request to parity cop those 3, but ff themselves said no specific names

[Laplacian]

The feedback quoted my request to parity cop those 3, but ff themselves said no specific names

Something like...this?

I want to parity cop A, B, And C"

These three have parity

This is close. Asking FF exactly how much I can quote now that you and Titus are harping on this

[Laplacian]

Lap, did your feedback say your targets are all aligned or specific names?

entire group I visited, no names. LTO asked that last page too, lol

It's possible all were redirected to bell then

I'd think if there was a town-only lightning rod watcher would have seen a lot more people on Bell

[Laplacian]

There is also the possibility that only myself or LTO was redirected.

I only visited lemon, dr drew, and bell (tried for HT), so if watcher was redirected it would be on to one of those 3

[Laplacian]

Here's what we know

1) An action targeting Hu Tao was redirected to Bell.
2) Lap claimed an action on Hu Tao.
3) Lemon says not bus driver and didn't target Hu Tao.

Then we know that unless lemon specifically claims to have targeted Bell, then there's a scum between them.

And that's because 4) only lemon and lap visisted Bell barring a ninja.

Is this correct? if so, that's weird, i targeted Hu Tao last night and im not a Ninja.

Are you sure you weren't redirected?

Or it's a confirmable action one way or another

[Laplacian]

I think we also need to see what Drew did in light of Sakura Hana's mutual redirect on them and HT

[Laplacian]

VOTE: Maid cafe
No way in hell this is a town ability as claimed, and it's still a lie as no way a lightning rod generates only 3 visits and I get gifted an ability.

[Laplacian]

And for you nerds skeptical about triple parity cop:
1. Ask for cooler abilities, not my fault yall basic
2. Redirects fuck with this hard, as we saw with Maid ruining this ability.
3. You're only seeing the best case scenario: full parity. If I get non-parity, it's like a watcher seeing 3 people at a kill; great but still takes a day or two to resolve.
4. It's swingy. if any of the 3 are jailed or hit by an Isolator like RH or Bells ability the entire investigation fails and is non-refundable. 3x the info, but 3x the odds of wasting it

[Laplacian]

Spoiler: less snark

You know how Fiocchi Rigati looks like a sheet of pasta with pressure applied towards the middle? It meant pressure!

wait, is there supposed to be meaning to pastaposting? I thought you were just breadcrumbing italian union

[Laplacian]

I'm making a chart. There's definitely at least one case where one of two people has to be untruthful.

Laplacian: Can you confirm EXACTLY when you received your item? Was it at the start of the second day phase?

Asked mod to confirm, got it night 1. I don't see scum having gifts as a factional ability, let alone giving me this without someone claiming to try to pocket me. Getting paranoid for 3Ps now

[Laplacian]

And for you nerds skeptical about triple parity cop:
1. Ask for cooler abilities, not my fault yall basic
2. Redirects fuck with this hard, as we saw with Maid ruining this ability.
3. You're only seeing the best case scenario: full parity. If I get non-parity, it's like a watcher seeing 3 people at a kill; great but still takes a day or two to resolve.
4. It's swingy. if any of the 3 are jailed or hit by an Isolator like RH or Bells ability the entire investigation fails and is non-refundable. 3x the info, but 3x the odds of wasting it

I tipped my hand end of day yesterday but I think your role should have had novice added to it for balance reasons.

I do have an ability with novice, but it's sadly not another invest

[Laplacian]

I'm making a chart. There's definitely at least one case where one of two people has to be untruthful.

Laplacian: Can you confirm EXACTLY when you received your item? Was it at the start of the second day phase?

Asked mod to confirm, got it night 1. I don't see scum having gifts as a factional ability, let alone giving me this without someone claiming to try to pocket me. Getting paranoid for 3Ps now

When did you receive the pm? Why not mention this earlier?

I did, it was literally my 4th post today.

[Laplacian]

Dunnstral, did you take any actions last night?

[Laplacian]

Also, someone also gave me a one-shot item. Thank you anonymous comrade for redistributing your abilities to the masses according to their needs!

No mention of time received here

I assumed it was a night action, because it appeared minutes after my invest results, and thus claimed it happened right after claiming my night action. I only checked when LTO pointed out that the timing really mattered.

[Laplacian]

Laplacian to confirm, did you receive this item when the day phase started, or during the night?

I received it at the end of the night when FF was sending the results of night actions. I did not get it earlier in the night

[Laplacian]

Also, someone also gave me a one-shot item. Thank you anonymous comrade for redistributing your abilities to the masses according to their needs!

No mention of time received here

I assumed it was a night action, because it appeared minutes after my invest results, and thus claimed it happened right after claiming my night action. I only checked when LTO pointed out that the timing really mattered.

OK. I don't think this points to 3rd party. The inventor could have a modifier or be a scum factional ability.

Scum factional ability makes no sense afaic. Inventor with a jugg equivalent is a funny idea though

[Laplacian]

L_G's iso is really...

light

on content

@L_G, did you take any actions? The spreadsheet lusts for data

[Laplacian]

It almost looks more like the "mass redirect" only hit people targeting Hu Tao directly onto Bell, not everyone.

Maybe more people took no action than you are thinking.

I mean, the chart I posted contains all claimed actions so far. There's more than three of them.

Not to mention the existence of the invention from an unknown source to Laplacian means we had at least one more floating out there. So why didn't it go to Bell, and the sender shown up in the watch?

The inventor, if town, needs to clarify their target selection (they shouldn't clarify WHAT the invention is), but there's something about this puzzle that feels..... solvable but very off.

Maybe because there is no mass redirect, just the one redirect.

Lemon and maid scum 2024.

This is why I want to flip Maid before lemon. We can see exactly what their ability was and how it worked.

[Laplacian]

I mean, it looks like he's catching up in sequential order. Give him 200 more posts to read and he should see the question

[Laplacian]

Gonna be busy af this weekend but I'll check in periodically. Happy to vote light for votes + vibes + convenient strong willed, maid/maria for using that ability in the first place and so we can see exactly what it is, or hu tao for lack of scumhunting and milquetoast reactions.

[Laplacian]

Gonna be busy af this weekend but I'll check in periodically. Happy to vote light for votes + vibes + convenient strong willed, maid/maria for using that ability in the first place and so we can see exactly what it is, or hu tao for lack of scumhunting and milquetoast reactions.

Is milquetoast the super secret word of the game or something?

Yep. If I say it in 10 different posts I get to recharge my eccocop

[Laplacian]

Gonna be busy af this weekend but I'll check in periodically. Happy to vote light for votes + vibes + convenient strong willed, maid/maria for using that ability in the first place and so we can see exactly what it is, or hu tao for lack of scumhunting and milquetoast reactions.

Is milquetoast the super secret word of the game or something?

Yep. If I say it in 10 different posts I get to recharge my eccocop

What does Bell get from it?

+5 points on the vocab section of the SAT

[Laplacian]

Okay then. I was going to save this. But I don't care anymore

Day cop: HST

... Alright, moving you off the happily vote list

[Laplacian]

Was also denied a day vig. Although I had specified a day 2 compulsory vig to guarantee lulz

[Laplacian]

Is there some reason nobody wants to go after Dunn?

Good posts, engaging with the game, pushed RH. Not conf town by any means, but I'd need to see a very strong case to vote there.

But if we do, whoever hammers has to make a dumb Arnold-esque pun like "Looks like this day is...

Dunn

"

[Laplacian]

Lto, I'll get Nectarines actually. Final answer.

Titus copied my weak doctoring hider and targeted light. Can't be redirected Which makes this a guilty.

Also uh. Hi...

Welcome with that exciting opening

[Laplacian]

Oh yeah also

OMG GUYS I GOT GUILTY ON BELL!!!!!!!!

They are a paranoid cop so would always get a guilty result.

Rofl

[Laplacian]

Yeah lights confo scum and we are just try Harding for the last one today before they get to shoot me.

Do you want a mass claim today?

I'm interested in what lemon_ganski and Laplacian did last night

I used a reloader on Joyboy, which would have recharged any ability he used last night. He said he was going to self doc before Sakura spoke up, so I was hoping he'd use that and then get another night to stay alive

[Laplacian]

Drew’s town. I think.
Yes, yes, late to the party I know.

Sigged

Does this mean you’re scum?

Yes

ggez. get the dayvig boys

[Laplacian]

3708 was me using a novice publishing beholder on Laplacian. No result means they didn't use an investigative ability, or did and was blocked somehow.

Not very exciting. I was hoping Ircher had sent an investigative role, I suspected Titus was a weak hider or similar as they mentioned they could act through redirects and that targeting certain people was risky so didn't think my role would work targeting them. My other options were waiting for lemon_ganski or bell to use their claimed abilities.

Speaking of which. Bell, you can clear somebody with your role now when we eliminate light_ganski.

The triple parity was my only investigative role, sorry

[Laplacian]

Basically I'm 0 for 2 for my abilities being useful ;_;

[Laplacian]

Yeah, because of the lightning rod I learned that Bell, Bell, and Bell all have the same victory condition

[Laplacian]

Like I said, 0/2

[Laplacian]

I am replaying the Phoenix Wright games as we speak to prepare to object to contradictions

[Laplacian]

The best part is since we do light first you two get to have 48 hours locked in a domestic dispute pt.

time to activate my one-shot relationship counselling.

[Laplacian]

Tbh. Then I can be free of Pooky.

you r not being a very good lover bell

now now, try to rephrase this in an "I feel" statement so your partner can understand where you're coming from and how your actions affect each other's emotions

[Laplacian]

I finally was gonna do something last night, but some anti-Union hater stopped me......why can everyone else have all the fun??

'Sup. Roleblock was me using Ircher's gift from earlier

[Laplacian]

Just in case. I see those horns in your avatar's shadow.

[Laplacian]

Also, my other ability is a novice bus driver, so this seemed the safer one to use

[Laplacian]

Shit, your union springs for horns? I got to check with my rep if I get those too

[Laplacian]

Just in case. I see those horns in your avatar's shadow.

Time to claim.

Already said everything in various posts, but for the sake of convenience:

-3x parity cop
-announcing reloader
-novice bus driver

First 2 abilities were useless, bus is unused

[Laplacian]

-3x parity cop. Tried to use it N1 on HT, Dr Drew, and lemon. Lightning rodded to Bell
-Announcing reloader. Used N2 on Joyboy
-Novice bus driver, unused

Also used the roleblock gift N3 on Dr Drew

[Laplacian]

I can confirm the bus drive tomorrow night, but it's also not an intrinsically towny ability so :shrug:

[Laplacian]

E: If the parity cop is real, why wasn't it novice or otherwise gated? A N1 parity cop is fucking HUGE.

Parity cop is also most susceptible of all the redirections that exists in this game, so I don't think of it as that op tbh.

Thank you, I kept saying that day 2 and everyone was going "ItS tOo Op!". 3x the targets means 3x the chance it gets ballsed up, as happened there

[Laplacian]

Things that absolutely bug the shit out of me about Laplacian right now:

A: We have no actual proof there were three targets, we only KNOW of one, which was claimed to be hu tao. (Titus saw him on Bell)
B: If the parity cop is real, they chose two easily flipped townies, and Hu Tao, with a parity-town "clear" that sets Hu Tao up to endgame as "cleared town." Possible luck but weeeeeeeird.
C: They're demoralized as shit, which is kind of where I expect the final maf to be headspace wise.
D: Town already had several other investigative flipped (or claimed, me) (A hider that can basically never die)
E: If the parity cop is real, why wasn't it novice or otherwise gated? A N1 parity cop is fucking HUGE.

For C, yeah, no shit. We're in the boring endgame. 3 scum down, with 10 alive. This is a chess game where you're up a queen and two rooks and the opponent is still shuffling their knight back and forth hoping we run out of time. Your own logic in 4092 says we've got 3 chances barring any double lims; we lose that we deserve it

[Laplacian]

Let me ask, there’s no explicit mention of duration in the role.

Laplace, walk me through why you think I’m scum this game if you’ve fully caught up. Your flavor writing is getting in the way of providing a clear reason why you’re holding this position.

Since you said Laplace inatead of the dull sobriquet "Lap", I shall indulge with a flavourless explaination.

You're not hard scum, more 'theres been so much both towny and scummy stuff that idfk some invest figure this out'

Scummy:
Early claims bad
Not really scumhunting
Defense appealed to emotion
Did not like your response to LTO'a big case

Towny:
The 'slip' chat was a dumb accusation
Last 10ish pages good
The speed the accusations spun up make me think a scum was on it
Post by post catchup was so weird feels it could only come from town

In conclusion, ????? please someone cop you so i can spend energy reading others

So Lap, why didn't you Cop Bell?

There was so much shit around Bell one way or another I figured some other invest would cop him. I suggested it as much myself some time around that post. I instead went after 3 people who I was leaning scum on to either clear them all or confirm there was a scum in there.

[Laplacian]

Yeah, literally 4 posts before that one I say (to simplify) "Idgaf about bell anymore, someone else deal with it"

[Laplacian]

As I said, I wanted to check people I was more suspicious about. I had more than 3 scum reads, and had to narrow it down. L_G and Sakura were also on my possible list to check. The deciding factor for Bell the isolator ability, which would waste my parity cop entirely

[Laplacian]

because yall sus

[Laplacian]

I believe my day 1 thoughts were:

HT was reminding me of scum HT from the last game I played with them
lemon's early posts & unprompted claim felt scummy
you (Drew) was just general vibes

For the others I considered:
Sakura was very neutral to me, wanted any info
L_G I looked at her iso and was unimpressed
Bell was ???, but isolator was a risk

[Laplacian]

All my tryhard energy went into writing like I was the reincarnation of Friedrich Engles

[Laplacian]

Wouldn't say well, but since I started playing again I've been in 3 of 3 games with HT and it gave me just enough pings. Was viewtopic.php?t=92058

[Laplacian]

I highly highly doubt it's a 3P killing role, ffery is notorious for letting her third parties town side so if they are out there they should be trying to win with us.

Titus is gonna scream in the dead thread if I don't say this next piece, isn't 3p anti-town by nature?

And this is a Upick game, ff wouldn't have too much say if someone who rolled 3p also chose a killing role, right?

I mainly bring up the possibility of a 3p since there seems to be an issue with everyone coming to a consensus scum read(maybe besides me, but I have the unique perspective to know I am town)......so I feel like 3p is laying with the town reads.

This is kind of a stream of consciouness post, and I came around to your point as typing this, Cabd, that they are probably not a danger to town anyways lol

I guess my point is that if it gets to a point where it comes close to lylo, don't discount the possibility of a scab amongst us.

Is this a genuine worry of a 3P, or setup spec?

[Laplacian]

I could see a 3P. Ability-wise, Ircher or Maria have the most 3Pesque claimed skills

Also, gonna throw in my vote order as Dr Drew > MariaR > Dunn. Sorry Drew, chats been nice but you're still the scummiest dude floating around here by process of elimination

[Laplacian]

Actually, Pooky's activated BP + reflexive loverizer also has big 3p energy

[Laplacian]

Yes and no. We chose a pool of abilities, then alignments rolled, then abilities picked from our pools. So while I wouldn't call 3Pesque abilities definitive proof, it's still some evidence

[Laplacian]

Day one ends on post 2353. All of Laplacian's ISO before this post should show a clear TRAJECTORY towards the reads he has, and his eventual targets, yes?

Let's look!


Lap's parity cop targets as claimed were:

Hu Tao, Lemon, and Dr. Drew

Day One Posts Mentioning Hu Tao

VOTE: Joyboy
Comrades, upon rereading I find Joyboy's roster of pirates and foes in revolutionary pamphlet #567 alarming. As has been called out by the ever-vigilant Doctor Drew and Lady Terminally Online, it included the absent light_ganski as an ally of Joyboy's under flimsy pretenses. Furthermore, the only two foes on the roster were Bell, a safe accusation at the time, and LTO, who is new to this union and its unique quirks. Joyboy then even says that LTO and Bell, his only two suspects are

not

aligned, meaning their read list only truly has one suspect in the end. I fear this incoherent list represents not Joyboy's true feelings, but was hastily built with ulterior motives. Joyboy is trying to deflect suspicion from away from his capitalistic lust for treasure.

Comrade, can I direct you to look at lemon?

Comrade Tao, I have already looked at lemon extensively, as per my grandiose speech in 318! I concluded that they where subtly undermining our union with their rhetoric. My post included both a vote for him and a delightful pun! I would be happy to vote him again should we convince more of our fellow workers of the world to unite in this cause. But first, I must investigate LTO's argument and Bell's rebuttal. This may take a while, as the combined length of both rivals the seminal work

Das Kapital

VOTE: Dunnstral

Comrade Firebringer, while our interactions in the past have sadly been few, I now feel compelled to ask why have you aimed your lens of suspicion at Comrade Dunnstral? Perusing the minutes of our past union meetings, the only time I can find you mentioning them was in missive #285. I had assumed this was in jest rather than a serious accusation of Dunn being a perfidious capitalist. Is there any further evidence for these aspersions so I may draw my own conclusions from your logic?

What do you think?

I think

I townread Firebringer and was confused by their vote, since I also townread Dunnstral. And it was right of me to ask since it was a meta argument and this is my 6th game on this site. I also think this is a bullshit post that exists solely because you've scumread me; I don't see anyone else asking other people questions getting

bold accusatory statements

. Likely case, you're tunneled. Worst case, scum trying to set me up as a future wagon.

And to get back in character. Something something unions good

If asking for an actual opinion is accusatory, then...I guess everything is accusatory. I have accused you of being scum, but directly giving you the opportunity to address my concerns is the opposite.

What are your HST and Lemon reads?

Comrade Titus, it was the bolding that I found offensive. As to your clarification and further questions, I have stated my opinions on many of our fellow workers throughout the game. My thoughts on Lemon.tangerine I have made abundantly clear; I find them suspicious across the board, from wording in early discussions, to an unprompted claim. I have happily voted them once, and would do so again without remorse or hesitation.

HolySpiritTurtle I find less clear due to their relative dearth of posts. I tentatively lean town, but this judgement may change after I see their case on Comrade Hu Tao.

I like HT & L_G's interactions around 1330ish.

Can we just put Pooky & Bell on opposite sides of the room? Bell's been the main character for like 90% of the game. Someone just cop/gunsmith him tonight so we can resolve it.

I'm also not reading any ISOs, used up all my tryhard energy thinking of synonyms for union and trying to remember how to spell bourgeoise

That's it. That's the entirety of direct mentions of their thoughts on Hu Tao one way or another before Day One ends. I'm supposed to believe this was his parity cop choice after leaving off on that positive note? (Oh, also, for the record, Hu Tao is NOT in his hero solve)

Let's do Drew next?

Day One Posts Mentioning Doctor Drew

VOTE: Joyboy
Comrades, upon rereading I find Joyboy's roster of pirates and foes in revolutionary pamphlet #567 alarming. As has been called out by the ever-vigilant Doctor Drew and Lady Terminally Online, it included the absent light_ganski as an ally of Joyboy's under flimsy pretenses. Furthermore, the only two foes on the roster were Bell, a safe accusation at the time, and LTO, who is new to this union and its unique quirks. Joyboy then even says that LTO and Bell, his only two suspects are

not

aligned, meaning their read list only truly has one suspect in the end. I fear this incoherent list represents not Joyboy's true feelings, but was hastily built with ulterior motives. Joyboy is trying to deflect suspicion from away from his capitalistic lust for treasure.

As page 47 heralds a friendly wager, I feel it unsporting to not enter

Spoiler: guess

Lemon, RH, Joyboy, Dr Drew

Wow. He literally only mentioned drew ONCE in passing as "Ever-vigilant" and then he's randomly in the hero solve?

Now Lemon gets plenty of mention, so let's go through Lemon.

Day One Posts Mentioning Lemon

Anyway inregards to our setup (i read someone posted it about being alot of 1-shot abilities which ofc it is lol) Id say that alot of ppl probably have much more creative abilities than on other forums.

Just a rumour i heard that setups are often more creative on mafiascum, sooo im expecting ppl to be doing more than complain abt union leaders lol

Aka throw nukes everywhere ty <3

Also n1 actions are gonna be p chaotic i assume bc 14 ppl all using joat actions lol (yes 15-1 is 14 after wagon)

So like what happens if everyone just kills another player?

Our noble group is 17 players, not 15. Likewise, we are blessed with a suite of one shots, made abundantly clear in the pre-game literature. Yet, this post is casual, nay, skeptical, about the existence of our one shots. Observe the hedging: "I read someone posted it", "a rumor", "probably have much more creative abilities". Our JOAT abilities were clear from the moment we signed up for the union!

COMRADES! I ask of you, why would a hard-working member of the proletariat ignore their unique skills and abilities? They would not. JOAT abilities are our way of interacting with the world, our way of finding information, our way of aiding and protecting allies, our way of furthering the perpetual march of progress! To ignore our skills is anathema to everything we stand for!

Therefore, there can be only one conclusion. Lemon.tangerine is a perfidious union-buster, as sour as his name. He has ignored his innate skills to focus on another ability, one shared with all scum. Murder.

VOTE: lemon.tangerine

Anyway inregards to our setup (i read someone posted it about being alot of 1-shot abilities which ofc it is lol) Id say that alot of ppl probably have much more creative abilities than on other forums.

Just a rumour i heard that setups are often more creative on mafiascum, sooo im expecting ppl to be doing more than complain abt union leaders lol

Aka throw nukes everywhere ty <3

Also n1 actions are gonna be p chaotic i assume bc 14 ppl all using joat actions lol (yes 15-1 is 14 after wagon)

So like what happens if everyone just kills another player?

Our noble group is 17 players, not 15. Likewise, we are blessed with a suite of one shots, made abundantly clear in the pre-game literature. Yet, this post is casual, nay, skeptical, about the existence of our one shots. Observe the hedging: "I read someone posted it", "a rumor", "probably have much more creative abilities". Our JOAT abilities were clear from the moment we signed up for the union!

COMRADES! I ask of you, why would a hard-working member of the proletariat ignore their unique skills and abilities? They would not. JOAT abilities are our way of interacting with the world, our way of finding information, our way of aiding and protecting allies, our way of furthering the perpetual march of progress! To ignore our skills is anathema to everything we stand for!

Therefore, there can be only one conclusion. Lemon.tangerine is a perfidious union-buster, as sour as his name. He has ignored his innate skills to focus on another ability, one shared with all scum. Murder.

VOTE: lemon.tangerine

Actually doesn’t this suggest otherwise? Omitting 2 players assumes 3-men team and if my brain still works correctly 17p usually has 4-men team, no?

I would indeed expect a 13-4 split; the foul bourgeoise would have sent no less than that to try, futile though it may be, to shatter our noble spirits. No, Lemon's omission of two comrades is a minor error that I would expect from distraction; instead the smoking gun of their perfidy comes from the skepticism of abilities. Reread their first sentence and tell me that it is not hedging, that is not feigned nonchalance. While the braying of Bell's possible slip still rings in our ears, lemon's words offer a far more damning perspective.

Omgus is nai

I concur. It is a natural reaction when one doubts your revolutionary spirit to lash back with harsh words and accusations. But while nai, it should be still noted in the annals of history in case a pattern of desperate flailing occurs.

Having revisited the minutes of our last union organizing meeting, I have identified several comrades who I believe are wholly devoted to our grand cause.

LTO: Has made herself a valuable member of this union with quick and intelligent reads
Pooky: A friendly comrade. Pocketed me early, so I must reevaluate in days to come
Dunnstral: While quiet, his words and votes are powerful and strategic
Titus: We may disagree, but she has a strong and confident spirit
Firebringer and Maid Cafe: Veteran union workers alike, whose casual play helps put all our hearts at ease.

I also fervently want to believe that Comrades Ircher and Relativistic Harmony can be trusted, but they have not yet demonstrated enough praxis to enmesh themselves within in my good graces.

Upon Joyboy and lemon.tangerine I have already expressed my doubts. Comrade Bell has also been troublesome to interpret, with actions both noble and base. However, suspicion is edging out. Any of these uncouth hobgoblins I would be happy to drag before a council of peers, as well as those suspiciously absent in discussions or in content.

VOTE: Joyboy
Comrades, upon rereading I find Joyboy's roster of pirates and foes in revolutionary pamphlet #567 alarming. As has been called out by the ever-vigilant Doctor Drew and Lady Terminally Online, it included the absent light_ganski as an ally of Joyboy's under flimsy pretenses. Furthermore, the only two foes on the roster were Bell, a safe accusation at the time, and LTO, who is new to this union and its unique quirks. Joyboy then even says that LTO and Bell, his only two suspects are

not

aligned, meaning their read list only truly has one suspect in the end. I fear this incoherent list represents not Joyboy's true feelings, but was hastily built with ulterior motives. Joyboy is trying to deflect suspicion from away from his capitalistic lust for treasure.

Comrade, can I direct you to look at lemon?

Comrade Tao, I have already looked at lemon extensively, as per my grandiose speech in 318! I concluded that they where subtly undermining our union with their rhetoric. My post included both a vote for him and a delightful pun! I would be happy to vote him again should we convince more of our fellow workers of the world to unite in this cause. But first, I must investigate LTO's argument and Bell's rebuttal. This may take a while, as the combined length of both rivals the seminal work

Das Kapital

Good day comrades! I have begun to catch up with the discussions I missed. Oh, that I could forsake sleep to forever revel in the spirit of the proletariat!

Comrade Bell continues to confound. I am no longer unsure if he is a noble revolutionary or a foul capitalist. While I will vote if necessary, I instead urge one of our union's cunning investigators to observe hia actiona closely during the night, as to truly divine his motives. Indeed, perhaps the second night, as his alleged isolation would render our investigator's hard work moot.

I have had little change of heart towards lemon.tangerine this past day. I see no reaaon to claim abilities in the manner they did unprompted, except to gain credibility with an alleged investigative role. Comrades, I remind all of you that fake claiming is easier than normal due to our suites of abilities.

In the past, I expressed my fervent wish to be able to trust Relativitic Harmony's revolutionary spirit. While my opinion has congealed, my wish did not come true. I am beginnimg to suspect RH to be a blaggart and infiltrator of our great union! I ask of you, noble workers, reread their words with a keen eye, see if you can see what I see

As page 47 heralds a friendly wager, I feel it unsporting to not enter

Spoiler: guess

Lemon, RH, Joyboy, Dr Drew

I'm calling the first post a clear RVS vote. The second post turns it into a serious scum read.



Here at least we have a clear trajectory to the read. But with that said... Here's why these targets fucking suck:


A parity cop's optimal town usage is to use a fairly well known target whose alignment you are nearly positive on, alongside two others. This gives you the most bang for your buck. None of the three names he chose as initial targets are in his "townpool".

What is the optimal MAFIA usage of a parity cop? Hint: Pick two murky towns and one scum and then when that scum flips you have a guaranteed mislim, OR when one of those towns dies anyways, well, now you have your murk-scum "cleared as town".

Here's his town pool. Why did none of these serve as the calibration choice?

LTO: Has made herself a valuable member of this union with quick and intelligent reads
Pooky: A friendly comrade. Pocketed me early, so I must reevaluate in days to come
Dunnstral: While quiet, his words and votes are powerful and strategic
Titus: We may disagree, but she has a strong and confident spirit
Firebringer and Maid Cafe: Veteran union workers alike, whose casual play helps put all our hearts at ease.

Why are the results "surprising" here?

Good morning comrades! I hope that we are all well rested and ready to resume our glorious revolution! Through a combination of meditation, interrogation, and rooting through garbage for suspicious evidence, I believe I have identified several comrades who are, surprisingly, trustworthy

From Laplacian's POV, he has a parity result on three people, none of which he was town reading, but one was NOT in his scum pool, and was in his "nulls" as of this point? Why should it be "surprising" to get a result of Hu Tao town? Hint: Because this is informed guilt and he knows Hu Tao is indeed his partner who he spent day one avoiding talking to or about much.

This entire case hinges on the fact that I didn't immediately spew any minor suspicion I have. I'm only going to effort post if I have actual evidence. Vibes don't merit a huge wordy post, and huge wordy posts were the only way I was posting D1.

And huge fucking lol on complaining about optimal play. You want to nab people for playing suboptimally, let's policy MariaR for the N1 lightning rod fucking up every action.

[Laplacian]

Here at least we have a clear trajectory to the read. But with that said... Here's why these targets fucking suck:


A parity cop's optimal town usage is to use a fairly well known target whose alignment you are nearly positive on, alongside two others. This gives you the most bang for your buck. None of the three names he chose as initial targets are in his "townpool".

What is the optimal MAFIA usage of a parity cop? Hint: Pick two murky towns and one scum and then when that scum flips you have a guaranteed mislim, OR when one of those towns dies anyways, well, now you have your murk-scum "cleared as town".

Here's his town pool. Why did none of these serve as the calibration choice?

LTO: Has made herself a valuable member of this union with quick and intelligent reads
Pooky: A friendly comrade. Pocketed me early, so I must reevaluate in days to come
Dunnstral: While quiet, his words and votes are powerful and strategic
Titus: We may disagree, but she has a strong and confident spirit
Firebringer and Maid Cafe: Veteran union workers alike, whose casual play helps put all our hearts at ease.

Why are the results "surprising" here?

Good morning comrades! I hope that we are all well rested and ready to resume our glorious revolution! Through a combination of meditation, interrogation, and rooting through garbage for suspicious evidence, I believe I have identified several comrades who are, surprisingly, trustworthy

From Laplacian's POV, he has a parity result on three people, none of which he was town reading, but one was NOT in his scum pool, and was in his "nulls" as of this point? Why should it be "surprising" to get a result of Hu Tao town? Hint: Because this is informed guilt and he knows Hu Tao is indeed his partner who he spent day one avoiding talking to or about much.

Your characterization of how the parity cop works is flawed and approaching from the assumption of not-aligned. Let's break this down further. At the end of day 1 we had 16 alive: 3 scum, 13 town. My pool then is 12 town & 3 scum, so if I pick a completely random player I have a 20% chance of hitting scum in general. This means that my selection in the absence of information is:

All scum = 3/15 x 2/14 x 1/13 = 0.002
All town = 12/15 x 11/14 x 10/13 = 0.484
Non-parity = 1 - 0.484 - 0.002 = 0.514
The hero solve of hitting all 3 scum is so low we can discard it for the rest of the analysis. Note that this math is again, in the absence of information, this is essentially our null-hypothesis. I'd then expect my reads to not be complete and utter potato, and so non-parity has a slightly higher option.

Now, I have 2 possible results, let's look at what they are and the implications

A: I get an aligned result. 3 people who I scumleaned are now town cleared! This is so much information, I have 3 people I can fully trust, and almost certainly puts 1 or 2 scum in the 3 other people I didn't choose for this. This is a metric fuckton of information, game half solved, gg. That's why I posted it so enthusiastically, because holy shit I thought we had cleared 3 people until we realized it was Bell, Bell, and Bell all aligned

B: I get a not-aligned result. This guarantees a scum in the pool, which increases the odds of a random person to 33%. This is above the null chance of 20%, a positive gain. But again, this 33% is our base value! By corroborating with other night results, asking questions, and looking at vote patterns, I was also confident we could narrow down that Thunderdome to get the odds of an individual person being scum to that 50% we would have started with.

Now, you're absolutely right that I could have picked one super townie person to give B a 50/50 shot. Or in practice, 45/45/10 since there were no hard clears at the time. However, that weakens the utility of option A and I was confident we could hit the scum in B within 1 or 2 tries. The chance of A and the still strength of B was enticing enough to go for 3 scummy people.

[Laplacian]

I find myself in need of the syryana nodding head gif.


Also proof you haven't been reading the thread because you already know alignments:

You want to nab people for playing suboptimally, let's policy MariaR for the N1 lightning rod fucking up every action.

I feel like everyone got deja vu because I was clear about it.

I'm not lying. There's no reason for me to come into the thread and make up some sort of wild lie like that.

Do I know why Ircher's action went through? No. All I know is I used a lighting rod causing every action to be on Bell. Maybe action order messes with that but shrug.jpg

Can you claim your lightning rod ability again? What modifiers does it have and why did it not show up in watcher results?

All actions go to the person I visit. The only modifier involved is not relevant (as in doesn't matter to the issue at hand) why it did not show up the watcher? your guess is as good as mine.

If you're curious the modifier in question was

compulsive

I fucking know it was compulsive. They could have warned us so every invest results that night didn't get burnt.

[Laplacian]

You're wasting time arguing with me, instead of picking out who the final scum is if not you!

We have three elims left. You should be selling me on "where to go when we're wrong on you", no?

I'm arguing with you because everyone can see these posts and go "oh, that does make sense" even if you're enjoying your tunnel.

Last scum is Drew. Your own post in 4122 gives town support for everyone except he and I, and I broadly agree with the list. Also notice that as soon as I post last night he immediately starts trying to punch holes in my targeting and distracting with 3P speculation. He sees that I'm back, am the next on the least-towny list, and was trying to grab one extra day.

[Laplacian]

I'm 100% fine with Drew into me. That way we can get that 4 for 4 clean vote sweep.

[Laplacian]

And let's make that 4/4 sweep a reality!
VOTE: Doctor Drew

[Laplacian]

As a reminder, (because I totally forgot it too) no one died last night. I roleblocked Drew. This could be a galaxy brained mafia play, could be that one of pooky and bell are scum in their little shadow realm. But uhhh, yeah

[Laplacian]

Ircher argument makes sense to me. My main reason for townreading him was the roleblock gift, but 4319 is strong. And him posting about me and Dunnstral and completely ignoring the discussion about him immediately before is bad vibes.

VOTE: Ircher

[Laplacian]

My main reason for townreading him was the roleblock gift

You shouldn't town read me off of that.

Agrees, that's why I'm voting you

[Laplacian]

Also

Shower thought. What if it's 3 plus a traitor and that's what the "scab" reference laplacian keeps going on about is a hint towards?

Drew's the one going on about a scab, not me

[Laplacian]

And I stopped being interesting as soon as I finished the communist rp. Next mafia game I'll have to keep my dumb gimmick alllll the way through

[Laplacian]

Gonna slam the brakes on the cabd talk.

I bus drove cabd and lemon.tangerine last night.

[Laplacian]

Also, I thought of a Brexit joke about Ircher's flavor a couple days ago but forgot it. Everyone pretend I just did a great dunk on England and laugh kthxbye

[Laplacian]

Gonna slam the brakes on the cabd talk.

I bus drove cabd and lemon.tangerine last night.

what if Cabd somehow psychically knew and decided to shoot himself

Chad move, deserves to win

[Laplacian]

So uh, why those two targets my dude?

You had big town energy and felt like a high priority target, and Lemon barely contributed yesterday but was mostly a random pick since I was tuned out af yesterday

[Laplacian]

REALLY shoulda been me and drew, Lemon was town-cleareed-ish due to the bomb vest thing well over a day ago.

Almost did drew tbh, ended up switching to lemon while slightly drunk last night. More stylishly tipsy tbh

[Laplacian]

do we really think a triple parity cop and a bus driver is a balanced role

For you, no. For me, yes because I'm a fucking gremlin who has never claimed to be good at this game.

[Laplacian]

What other roles did you even submit, Lap?

Double neighborizer and day 2 compulsive vig

[Laplacian]

What other roles did you even submit, Lap?

Double neighborizer and day 2 compulsive vig

And you got triple-parity cop (night) and bus driver (night)?

Novice bus driver, and the reloader. Honestly I'm just happy an ability actually fucking did something

[Laplacian]

I don't think you're a gremlin fwiw

you're a swell chap and the best Marxist Leninist Union Assistant I could ask for.

I'm just worried your bank account might be a bit large.

Hey, Engels was a factory owner first

[Laplacian]

I mean, if somebody not me or you is capable of the tripple-fakeout deepwolf, it's HST?

does he even like doing those weird gambits? I thought he was a straight shooter, I guess I havent really played with him that much but like the way that d2 went down with the fake cop into the reflector thingy did not feel planned.

tho I guess he could be a fucking criminal mastermind but I just feel like nah?

maybe he's in my blind spot because he has a cute anime avatar and I can never scumread those

Always scumread anime avatars

[Laplacian]

A horrible truth has come to me.

Laplacian is a dirty, filthy alt.

Nope, not an alt.

[Laplacian]

But yeah this game needs like, 500% more Maria and Dunn posting.

So much this. This forum needs some discord pings so we can annoy them until they appear

[Laplacian]

I do enjoy a lot of alternative rock if that makes you feel better. Oh, and ALT is definitely one of my top 20 favorite keys on a keyboard

[Laplacian]

I do enjoy a lot of alternative rock if that makes you feel better. Oh, and ALT is definitely one of my top 20 favorite keys on a keyboard

Best key is { [ btw
It's either the start of some beautiful logic or a matrix. Win-win

[Laplacian]

But seriously I think unfortunately we cannot win with a third party maria even if she is telling the truth.


Somebody not named Maria plot out a way that I am wrong?

From what I can see, Maria gets to be kingmaker in the worst case scenario

Day 5: 6/M/S (M = Maria, S = scum)
Guess wrong, vote out a townie

Night 5: 5/M/S
Lover pair dies

Day 6: 3/M/S
Vote out a townie

Night 6: 1/M/S
Maria sides with whoever she tagged last night. 50/50


If we get Maria now:
N5: 6/S
D6: 4/S (assuming lovers die)
N6: 3/S
D7: 2/S, town has a 2v1 endgame

[Laplacian]

edit since I labelled the end wrong:

Night 6: 2/M/S
Day 7: 1/M/S with the kingmaking

[Laplacian]

I thought we were friends...

There are no friends in the battle to unionize. Only comrades for the cause and traitors.

Also, do we get the full Dahlia breakdown animation when you get hammered?

[Laplacian]

Lap....

The second she wins, she EXITS the game in victory....

In your :kingmaker" scenarios, she exists and then it's 1-1 left and mafia instantly endgames.

Sorry Maria, had you come clean about all this sooner it would have played out differently, but between the drew results, and everything else, it kinda has to be you today then lap tomorrow if you flip non-killing third party.

Thanks, I missed the exit part
VOTE: Maria

[Laplacian]

GG comrades! Thanks ff and prism for running this and making a great theme