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In post 76, Generic wrote:
Estimated completed games:
Have you had victories in a mafia team?:
Favourite alignment:
Estimated completed games: 25? 30? Probably a few hundred on EpicMafia and mafia.gg.
Have you had victories in a mafia team?: My winrate as scum is 45% or so.
Favorite alignment: Scum. Fakeclaiming is my favorite part of the game!
Pfffft, you don't have to be scum to fakeclaim. It's even more fun the other way!
Probably.
I never get to fakeclaim as scum. _._
In post 123, Generic wrote:
That’s a good win rate for a role that is sometimes out of your own hands. Get the wrong team around you and it’s like cycling up a mountain.
What an odd perspective. How is town's success more in their own hands? I'd say it's the other way around, and not just because I have a 100% win rate as Mafia.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 256, Aureal wrote:
I have an idea guys. How about we pretend the last 10 pages never happened and this is page 1? -_-
i feel like it has been mostly civil. i'm sorry if this isn't enjoyable for you
i should probably just step away for the night
I'm glad you're not feeling too distressed by it then, but I would still like to try to yeet scum. I don't feel like this is very likely to accomplish that. Generic seems to be pretty ego-driven, with his fixation on "oooh hoo, I'm gonna catch the one who hasn't been caught!"
The same applies somewhat to all of you who are still dogging Black despite having been clearly warned that this is a regular pattern. It's tempting when dealing with someone who has a strong scum reputation to snatch at any little something that feels weird, I know. You don't wanna be a chump getting fooled. But you've gotta understand that being town does not make someone a logic computer. Black is very open as town and shares her thoughts, even if they're not well formed yet, asks questions that may not end up really have much purpose, shamelessly trying to solve the game rather than look good. This player archetype is apparently pretty hard for some people to figure out, but until I see Black roll scum and mimick it, I'm gonna call her town when I see this sort of thing.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 261, Aureal wrote:
I'm glad you're not feeling too distressed by it then, but I would still like to try to yeet scum. I don't feel like this is very likely to accomplish that. Generic seems to be pretty ego-driven, with his fixation on "oooh hoo, I'm gonna catch the one who hasn't been caught!"
What are your thoughts on players not named Generic and Black?
Still happy with my vote on CCGeek.
Really exasperated with Dunn's vote on you. Like, he opens with acknowledgement that your posting style has you use words expressing uncertainty a lot, then is concerned because you used a question mark on something that wasn't a question. Then the very next sentence is also an acknowledgement that he doesn't think you're a confident player. COME ON MAN Then he basically just goes "this is a good point" a couple times and calls something a false dilemma and scum indicative. I'm not even sure what he's referring to there because it's replying to Dannflor and trying to read Dannflor's wallposting about you is just MAKING MY EYES ROLL OUT OF MY HEAD with how ridiculously he's acting with all the "town Black should've thought about things better" crap.
Why isn't happy doing anything? Weird. If scum has been off your wagon I would guess him over Snivy.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #323 (isolation #21) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:41 pm
Postby Aureal »
Well that's definitely a trade up.
I hate the idea that we're obligated to yeet Black now because of claim stuff when we're like a freaking quarter of the way into the deadline and she was the only major wagon. Great way to score a miselimination and no information there.
And no Black, I couldn't even remember who the other person who had voted you was when I was writing that post. So no read on T3 right now. Really not up to poking and prodding at that stuff right now to try for one, sorry.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #329 (isolation #22) » Thu Sep 21, 2023 3:56 pm
Postby Aureal »
In post 325, Abnegation wrote:
black was at e-2? she's probably town for that lol.
haven't read anything except skimmed the most recent page, will do later.
snerk
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
when you roll scum, on average, how guilty is your conscience
I think I'd have to be able to roll scum more than once within memory to have an 'average'. But yeah, to belabor the point, it was more 'cunning glee' than 'guilt' for the most part. Which I now try to attain as town with ridiculous sneaky plans when opportunities arise.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #452 (isolation #24) » Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:03 pm
Postby Aureal »
In post 370, Dannflor wrote:
is it weird that like no one in the game jumped in to call generic vs. Black TvT
*raises eyebrow*
What do you think I was doing?
Though I suppose he could just have been the brand of troll who doesn't actually care about the game, not quite as confident about that read as I was at the time.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #453 (isolation #25) » Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:40 pm
Postby Aureal »
In post 424, Abnegation wrote:
i am mostly caught up btw, just didn't bother with another post like the ones i was doing.
So... Just curious... Is there someone you wanna vote, or are you cool leaving it where the previous slot holder did?
In post 434, meowmeow wrote:
it isn't a meta read, i think your posts this game are towny
i think 279 in particular comes from scum a very small amount of the time. i think the point about what dunn and dann are doing is like... good and insightful and vibed a lot with how i was feeling as i read the thread. i generally like the sarcasm, both in that post in 172 - it feels consistent and genuine to me, and i think the intuitive approach as scum is to be more polite to dannflor since you really couldn't give an expletive about anything he's saying about black and that's just helpful in case you need him later.
Well crap, I'm supposed to plan out who to be nice to?! Can't I just get him yeeted so I don't have to be nice?!?
In post 439, meowmeow wrote:
i think in the scumgame abnegation linked for iavh he also feels... a bit flat, especially towards the end
however reading his recent games i found this game where iavh is town and super flat and stale (sorry) and multiple people comment on it.
so i think maybe his playstyle has just shifted more generally? i still don't love his posts but whatever
I just glanced through his ISO there but it seemed more in line with my previous experience with him than this game has been. I would say he's very... Demanding. Which isn't happening here.
In post 432, Dannflor wrote:
Where is your head at with regards to this game dunnstral
iamveryhappy has really empty posts where they don't put forth a lot or comment on things. Their 427 does not make sense. I am not seeing a reason to not vote for them, so i will do so.
VOTE: iamveryhappy
You are so wooden that I think you're probably town.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 432, Dannflor wrote:
Where is your head at with regards to this game dunnstral
iamveryhappy has really empty posts where they don't put forth a lot or comment on things. Their 427 does not make sense. I am not seeing a reason to not vote for them, so i will do so.
VOTE: iamveryhappy
You are so wooden that I think you're probably town.
i get "too scummy to be scum" logic in some cases, but i'm not seeing how it applies here. isn't wooden-ness when someone is having difficulty posting in a way that looks natural? not something someone would intentionally avoid doing as scum. why do you think it's town-indicative here?
I may be overstating it with 'probably' but he was coming off like that in Scarfolk too, where he was town. I don't remember ever getting pinged like that reading his play in Team Mafia, where was was scum (and I was scumreading him most of that game). I'm also kinda agreeing with Black's analysis that his vote on her was rather more tortured in how it came across than seems likely for scum.
In post 456, meowmeow wrote:
this is the first time i remember someone has been trying to convince me that i shouldn't townread them
i don't think being sarcastic or rude towards dannflor is particularly helpful regardless of your goals as mafia - it probably makes you less likely to successfully eliminate him
Huh. I didn't think that was quite what I was trying to convey but maybe I am more uncomfortable with townreads than a lot of people because I don't get them that often and they've often been strategically motivated. Like you might do if you're scum here and wanting to get me to feel better about your slot.
I found your reasoning kind of odd and this is still odd. It feels like you're making very broad brush statements which maybe could be applicable in certain situations but I certainly wouldn't agree are categorically true. I'm certainly not nearly as experienced at this as you are but I feel pretty confident that scum can and do use sarcasm and rudeness and it can be quite effective. A townie might well glaze over a wallpost then read someone snarkily dismissing it and go "oh apparently that wallpost sucked anyway, guess I don't need to bother paying attention to it".
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
I think the game state through my Black tunnel makes more sense that way and I just don’t have as much belief in my read reading back through as I did before
Plus both Aureal and meowmeow have told me Black is very town and they can’t both be scum with Black
Why did it take multiple people arguing against your scumread to convince you?
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #520 (isolation #28) » Mon Sep 25, 2023 6:33 am
Postby Aureal »
In post 514, Dannflor wrote:
well, tbh I thought there was a possibility you and Black were S/S. I also don't know you or your relationship with Black and have no basis to decide whether your read on her is actually quality or if you're just town reading her because you like her
it also helps that I know and respect meowmeow's reads and I think that slot is probably town
Odd. That's very much not the impression I got from 310. What were you thinking there?
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #555 (isolation #29) » Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:37 am
Postby Aureal »
Yeah I'm not following that progression either. You voted T3
after
he argued against Black. Then decided that even though he'd pinged you with a scummy townclear of Generic, his argument against Black was just so great it made him town? It feels to me more like you saw that he was actually getting traction with that argument and decided to jump on it and maybe end the day quickly with a big push. I think that makes you two pretty unlikely to be scum together, at the least.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #564 (isolation #30) » Tue Sep 26, 2023 6:08 am
Postby Aureal »
In post 559, Dannflor wrote:
pretty sure that comes from mafia who wants to claim a pr before he dies not an actual pr
Yeah I don't see any reason to think 'Mafia' over 'actual pr' or 'person concerned that the other wagon could still be a pr'
In post 561, Black wrote:
Aureal what is your read on T3? iirc you didn't have a read on him last I checked
Why is Dann your #1 fade choice here?
I went through the game again and didn't see anything that really pinged me. He seems to occupy a pretty solidly reasonable position. Could he be scum, sure. I don't have any reason to particularly suspect him at this point so I'm fine worrying about that later.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 573, T3 wrote:
This logic is so weird that I almost wonder if Dannflor is tunnled town
at risk of being tunneled town this sentence feels performative
Well. That I can actually kinda see. But I largely agreed with your point. I dunno about "most often" but I do agree there's certainly a nice niche in the 'inoffensive and reasonable' read for scum to occupy. I expect it depends on the person whether that's the sort of place they'd likely end up. Maybe T3 doesn't agree with that idea though?
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #658 (isolation #33) » Wed Sep 27, 2023 9:06 am
Postby Aureal »
In post 654, Dannflor wrote:
like i think a lot of the time thunderdoming / being abrasive / not making any apparent allies can be town indicative
but for a certain category of player it is not
I do think this is pretty true. Played in another game with a player who got banned during it and that person seemed to take the same not giving a shit abrasive attitude in all their games, regardless of alignment.
UNVOTE: Dannflor
Might not be a bad idea to think about some things more.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #709 (isolation #36) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 6:22 am
Postby Aureal »
In post 704, Black wrote:
I think Aureal missing my question twice is probably town indicative XD
I think scum!Aureal pays way more attention to the thread and my slot in particular and doesn't miss my questions or ignore me
cry
It's not that I missed it... I just got sidetracked responding to other things because well, I sorta feel like I've expressed a good bit of my suspicions of Dann through my interaction with him and the wagon so I kinda thought what I was doing was answering. I didn't explicitly state my initial reasoning for calling him and CCGeek scum (their slowness to start posting in the thread despite having confirmed) but I think I touched on a fair bit of other stuff. And by the time you brought it up again I was having more doubts so explaining a scumread that's trending down just wasn't a priority.
Also I disagree with this read of what I would do. ._.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #714 (isolation #37) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:56 am
Postby Aureal »
In post 699, Black wrote:
Dann has a good point regarding Generic and thunderdomes and I'm surprised more people haven't mentioned it. I think the effort Dann put into researching Generic's scum games from other sites is town indicative. If he were scum then I don't understand why he would go through all that effort just to not push there
I think Abnegation was fairly townie when she entered the game. Townier than Generic for sure. I'm not really sure I'm getting scummy vibes here. I agree with her that activity level isn't alignment indicative for her
@Dann can you elaborate on your Abnegation scumread?
Logically, the meta evidence presented by Dannflor only supports the conclusion that Generic would do that as scum, refuting the idea that he's town for it. It would be hard to conclude that the slot actually is scum for doing it because that would require evidence that he wouldn't also do it as town.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #784 (isolation #38) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:33 am
Postby Aureal »
In post 780, Black wrote:
Is it really that hard to look at the last page? XD
Someone said you were too carefree to be scum and now you're just running with it huh
I feel like that comment didn't come from someone who's played with Snivy before. He's actually been giving me more serious vibes than usual. It's making me think more of his play in Weird Dreams where he was 3p scum. In contrast, iamveryhappy seems to have just jumped off a cliff in terms of caring which gives me more limbait vibes.
VOTE: camelCasedSnivy
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #819 (isolation #42) » Mon Oct 02, 2023 2:51 pm
Postby Aureal »
Wow, you only played three newbie games and one of them was two years ago. None of them were doc/cop setups. So I don't know why you would associate that setup with those roles.
Guess I'm back to VOTE: camelCasedSnivy then
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #823 (isolation #43) » Mon Oct 02, 2023 3:50 pm
Postby Aureal »
But again, if you were thinking this was NewD3, I don't see any reason you would decide that means there must be a cop. I'd have to go look at the chart to figure what all roles there could be. Cop with doc is just one, and I know there's also a doc with a tracker possibility off the top of my head because I played a game in that configuration.
Like, this whole page makes no sense. We already had T3's claim and discussed which roles might be in play here as a result of that info. And here you are, going "I didn't see the flip" appropos of nothing so you can apparently segue into thinking something about the setup that you have no particular reason to think? It feels really artificial, like you came in with a plan to try to 'townslip' since I expressed suspicion of you last and I've townread you for a townslip about the setup before.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
Oh, well, there's an unbiased and well-defined opinion.
like the newd3 thing is the only thing that i couldve faked and i tried to disregard the point but you want to drag it as if you WANT to vote me
your turn
Bwuh? If we're talking about things you could've faked we can definitely include the claim that Ircher added the flip into the opening post after you looked at it. It took you scarcely two minutes to post after that so I'm kinda confused about how this timeline works. You look at the post, there's supposedly no flip in it and you... what? Start writing a post then refresh the page partway through to see if something has changed, see the flip, delete what you wrote and decide to comment on the confusion you had anyway but without actually specifying why?
And is there supposed to be something wrong with wanting to vote you? Voting people is how the game works. We try to vote out people on the other team. You are my primary suspect for someone on the other team right now. This shouldn't be surprising.
In post 831, Abnegation wrote:
my theories should be taken with a grain of salt but i wonder if 805 might have actually been a rolefish.
Oh, yeah, that's likely part of why it's rubbing me the wrong way.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
at least for abnegation, shes defending aureal by saying she "trusts in her ability to roll town"
That doesn't seem to actually answer Dann's question. You seem to be answering "why don't other people suspect Aureal" rather than "why do you suspect Aureal for saying the same thing that other people are also saying?"
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #853 (isolation #48) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:20 am
Postby Aureal »
Do people think Abnegation's posting here was scummy, surface-level or otherwise? I don't get it. I can't say she's not in my poe but nothing here pinged me.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 694, iamveryhappy wrote:
ofc I wouldn't want to fade T3
I caught onto that soft and by the time I was available to hammer the CW I can't tell between Dann and Dunn I'm dumm kek
great I love being a wagoned
In post 772, iamveryhappy wrote:
also why would I hammer when I know I'm basically kingmade in that situation, we could easily squeeze a few days of discussion in there
@Dunn I don't like ur logic
This kinda just feels like a bad excuse not to hammer Dannflor
You think scum iamveryhappy would be so hesitant to hammer town Dannflor?
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #920 (isolation #50) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:54 pm
Postby Aureal »
In post 895, meowmeow wrote:
i think snivy's read on happy is, like, pretty anti associative? like the feeling i get from it is mostly just 'oh hey snivy is scum and knows happy is town' - idk if that's tunneled but it is what it is. if snivy is scum, it's definitely not an intuitive move to go to bat for happy for like no reason
Intuitive or not, he did do it as 3p scum in Weird Dreams.
maybe i should think happy is town if i don't think he's scum with dannflor or snivy. shrug.
Thought experiment I've been mulling over: if happy is town, that means both Mafia were on the Dunnstral elimination. Why would they both get on that?
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #923 (isolation #51) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 1:13 pm
Postby Aureal »
...Ircher? He was in that game, I guess. I was thinking of his defense of WhemeStar. Although looking back at his ISO now, it's not as defense-like as I remembered. He certainly was awkward though.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 945, Aureal wrote:
Or am I the only one who tries to think about gamestate like this?
I don't think I put enough brainpower into the game to think of it this way
But you post so much more than I do.
BTW can you elaborate on why you think Snivy is town? He's really kinda frustrating me right now with his like, total disregard for explaining most anything about his pov.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 934, Abnegation wrote:
do you think there's a benefit to scum!me in hammering the wagon myself instead of allowing t3 to do it?
Nah, the hammer itself didn't ping me as much as the reasoning behind it. Or lack thereof really. It felt like you jumped from Dann to T3 to Dunn and it didn't really seem like you cared which of the 3 were faded. I guess I would expect town!you to differentiate between the 3 and determine which is the scummiest instead of just going with the flow and wherever the wagons led you
Also, I do feel like while this isn't great in a vacuum, this attitude is possibly town indicative for Alianna at this point. I just finished a game with her and she wasn't seeming terribly motivated there either. Whereas I feel like if she got a Mafia role she'd be more likely to go "yeah!!! Curse is over!!!" and put in more effort.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #1006 (isolation #55) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 2:36 pm
Postby Aureal »
Oh no, Snivy set Alianna up for a page top, clearly they're working together!
I don't even know what to think about Snivy's supposed suspicion of me now, it's so obviously off base that maaaaybe it isn't that likely to be scum. "One thing on the second day" really??
I really don't know where else to look though, Abnegation and iamveryhappy give me more mixed signals and I just kinda want to townbin the rest of you.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 962, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
i think the only way that aureal dies is if i die here so that kinda sucks for me
dann why did you vote me and revoke it anyway
Why do you think Aureal/Dann is the solve?
if aureal is town then she decided to make a read off of one thing on the second day which is a terrible move in my opinion
dann not only was in my iamveryhappy/dunn/dann poe but he is kinda just sitting on the sidelines and NOW is pretending to not be confident on me
Wait, what poe? You've been maintaining a townread on Alanis even as you said there was one scum in that group. If you're still so confident in all that, why start the day like you did, with confusion and then coming after me?
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance