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Post #3614 (isolation #200) » Sun Nov 05, 2023 7:37 am
Postby Ydrasse »
quite curious as the day's end draws near, a wagon begins to slowly coalesce on the innocent ydrasse despite formerly stated townreads... a curious incident indeed...
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Post #3615 (isolation #201) » Sun Nov 05, 2023 7:40 am
Postby Ydrasse »
In post 3608, Andresvmb wrote:
Ydrasse suspected camel but as far as I can tell, never voted there, pushed Titus for seemingly okay reasons, and is landing on me as a vote because they can’t rule me out as Scum (fair) and aren’t feeling imaginality (I have argued the same) or Dragons (I agree) Scum.
In a vacuum, from my perspective, Ydrasse could be Scum. Do I get that feeling when I read them? No? I’m having a tough time contrasting their enthusiasm to start the game given the structure, and the clear boredom they’ve alluded to throughout. So not sure what to make of that. They have expressed several views though - like I think they’ve consistently said that gob and Firebringer are Town (@Ydrasse, has anything changed?), and that they can’t read Prism.
she pronouns plz
my lack of engagement is my MO at this point for games which are the most fun to me in the first few hours because it's shiny and new and then after a while i feel bogged down by having to Explain Myself when my thoughts in my head are a lot more sensible than they are in words.
i think they are still town yes and i think prism is town as well. prism more town than them actually because of the camel push day 1, i considered for a long while if i should treat it like someone just pushing a vanity wagon without much chance of it to go through but i think there was enough intrigue for it that prism falls to town. firebringer's iso looks good to me wrt camel and gob has felt town for most of this game to me. i don't think i have words to explain the last one some people are just town even if the logic is sometimes not it.
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Post #3619 (isolation #203) » Sun Nov 05, 2023 7:55 am
Postby Ydrasse »
it takes like a very brief skim of your iso to look and see that you've had me oscillating around nullish to town and back and forth and i can boil down what you've said about me to "needs more" "exists" "want more" but you've never actually made the effort to engage with me in a way that matters to you or your solving.
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Post #3621 (isolation #204) » Sun Nov 05, 2023 7:58 am
Postby Ydrasse »
In post 3618, Andresvmb wrote:
Okay Ydrasse so what are you defaulting as the Team then?
i'm not defaulting to a team and i feel that should be apparent. this question is inherently a little ? to me because why not just ask "who do you scumread" rather than something this... confining? narrow?
that being said, i'm more amenable to voting t3 now that he's admitting that he... hasn't had much of a read on me? voting me despite never taking the steps to solve me? jjh's vote feels more like a playstyle thing even if i think it is very goofy. i've been reconsidering my vote on you given interactions of the past few pages but i struggle when i see how camel treated you and there's not a lot in reverse for me to rule you out. that's as large as my pool is today.
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Post #3624 (isolation #206) » Sun Nov 05, 2023 8:00 am
Postby Ydrasse »
In post 3622, Prism wrote:
I am beyond frustrated with jjh. If someone else votes imaginality, I will vote there, Ydrasse can join and we can let Andres escape if imaginality is town.
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Post #3795 (isolation #213) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:30 am
Postby Ydrasse »
In post 3783, jjh927 wrote:
Her voting history is super lacking and it's fair to say that any reasonable person would assume I wasn't just gonna up and vote Andres there because I had expressed no intention to do so
so it could plausibly have been a risky bus vote that she had to back off from because of my sudden appearance.
We don't actually see the results of not being confident enough to want Andres at E-1. May be worth a note that the two people who were potentially still able to blitz there were STD and Gob
this is weird and self absorbed. i unvoted because he didn’t feel like a wolf he felt like town who was very upset by how he was treated and there were multiple people who were uncounted for who have a non zero chance of being a wolf imo and wanted to give the dude a bit of breathing room.
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Post #3797 (isolation #214) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 4:04 am
Postby Ydrasse »
be reasonable, offer more than whatever weird protest he’s doing over imaginality and his death sentence, do nothing and make my vote go back there?
and nope not gonna vote until i feel like it. you pressing the matter makes me more unlikely to do so tbh. i am sure the game will find a way to survive.
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Post #3810 (isolation #217) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:16 am
Postby Ydrasse »
In post 3809, Andresvmb wrote:
After reading every single one of gob’s posts D1/D2, it convinces me more and more they’re Scum, not less. I don’t know what else to say. I could read today and think the silly strategies being proposed come from a Town mindset, but the shading of camel (which got reversed multiple times when convenient, with some light defending, and never a vote), and the constant search for an alternative (while not ending with a vote D1, and a vote on imaginality D2, which was at one point the CW to Scum) just don’t give me any fuzzy feelings.
Can someone else tell me why those posts should be read as coming from Town?
i’m not trying to be difficult but whenever i’ve read gobs iso i’ve come to e opposite conclusion, and that they’re playing without tmi; when they did things like defend camel it didn’t feel like it was a buddy running interference. what do you see?
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Post #3839 (isolation #220) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:28 am
Postby Ydrasse »
i’m not entirely sold on gob and i’m sorry andres
i think that the way he treated camel is like… strikingly against how i think a wolf would play this game. in that he’s not taking much care to make his processes look “real” or good in a game where it matters a whole lot how you interact with your fellow wolves. it’s blatantly helpful to the mafia but i don’t think it’s being done intentionally; when he says stuff like “camels been shaded a lot” fmpov it’s a genuine defense of someone they flipped to thinking was town. there’s just no real regard for looking real.
i think the most compelling part is having camel just out of reach for an elimination but camel was that for… a few people i think. and i don’t think the linked scumgame looks like th e game here unless gob factored in being caught out there to here.
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Post #3844 (isolation #223) » Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:33 am
Postby Ydrasse »
VOTE: dragons
i circled around to this earlier based mostly on his reaction to the day 1 wagon on him and camel stuff, dunno if i’ll stick with it since i have the confidence of a pea
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Post #4134 (isolation #228) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:10 am
Postby Ydrasse »
kind of want to ignore wifom and all the psychological aspects and vote t3 for saying they thought andres was town and still hammering and also shirou dying after pushing both fire and t3
maybe it’s a frame job but jesus christ.
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Post #4153 (isolation #234) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:21 am
Postby Ydrasse »
if t3 is town i cannot understand why he called andres town and then hammered even under wanting the day to end. what a horrible play. i wanted the day to end but i wasn’t going to vote because of that
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Post #4156 (isolation #235) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:23 am
Postby Ydrasse »
In post 4136, Prism wrote:
I had to pull an allnighter so I'm too tired to go back and read right now, maybe later.
i hope you know that i am aware you like. won’t like me doing this and it might not be earned but i don’t think i will have the rhetoric to get through to jjh in a way he gets this game and hope that you are town and will interface with him on that front on any degree. thanks.
In post 4153, Ydrasse wrote:
if t3 is town i cannot understand why he called andres town and then hammered even under wanting the day to end. what a horrible play. i wanted the day to end but i wasn’t going to vote because of that
Posts like this make me heavily lean towards scum ydra
i need you to explain to me why you decided to do that
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Post #4200 (isolation #239) » Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:27 am
Postby Ydrasse »
idr if i ever explained that questioning
i thought that trying to insert yourself into an interaction between two people, if they are town, is a little things wolves might not do, they want to be in on the joke but i felt it would be harder to barge in on an interaction like that
it was weird to me that camel dodged what was a relatively easy question to answer and felt… wrong. for lack of a better term. not damning clearly but weird
with retrospect it’s clearer why camel chose that as a jumping off point though.
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Post #4201 (isolation #240) » Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:29 am
Postby Ydrasse »
also t3: i can see the town incentive to end a day but in a game like this it is a lot harder to take it at face value that town does this; a quickhammer like that doesn’t get scrutinized as much i feel because we only get one more chance to hit correctly and thus people aren’t inclined i feel to judge it like they would in a traditional setup. we have to hem and hedge on it and it feels wasteful as well to just… go for it like that despite a town read previously stated.
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Post #4203 (isolation #241) » Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:35 am
Postby Ydrasse »
for early game it was a serviceable way to prod at camel. however i have a curse when i play mafia where i am right early and then wrong on everything after
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Post #4233 (isolation #245) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:54 am
Postby Ydrasse »
i think my reasons are p clear for most though i don’t vote a lot
i voted dragons earlier to help a wagon
i thought patchwork was doing some basic wolfy things and that vote was solidified by titus making some real interesting choices to the point of absurdity
in the middle of that i voted imaginality because i felt that if titus was town they were trying to make me and titus a dichotomy which maybe is worth revisiting now
went back to titus
voted andres because i didn’t think he was towny until he started being really stubborn and i voted dragons because i didn’t know where else to go but i didn’t want andres
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Post #4235 (isolation #246) » Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:15 am
Postby Ydrasse »
okay i understand that you’re ruling people out but why. and furthermore what have i done that’s wolfy this game? if it’s me you should be able to case me
because as it is “poe lol” at this point of the game is like, really lazy solving and frustrating for me when i know i’m town and you’re not offering me a way to dialogue with you about the reasons you suspect me when fmpov they don’t… currently exist?
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Post #4261 (isolation #249) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:30 am
Postby Ydrasse »
at least that feels like the “best” option to me right now, i think that firebringers posts around them feel pretty sparse and even when fb voted dragons it wasn’t a very serious thing, pressure dispersed easily elsewhere
less sure about camels <-> dragons but i think dragons isn’t… ruled out entirely for me
Do you not think StD leaves at some point? Also good morning
hello good morning
and maybe, i’m unsure. yesterday kind of served as a litmus test for who wolves could keep with the wagons and i don’t remember dragons getting ran up much. i think the day ended with only me and jjh on him
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Post #4263 (isolation #251) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:33 am
Postby Ydrasse »
like looking at vcs dragons didn’t get much attention compared to imaginality or t3 who are both here now
i think it could be imaginality still but unsure… i feel okay about t3 evaluating me to the depth he has this game, and i really don’t think he has to do that as wolf when the easier line is to egg on jjh
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Post #4266 (isolation #253) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:38 am
Postby Ydrasse »
like of everyone left
i don’t think it’s prism. the repeated “i’ll post later” attitude scares me because it’s not like anyone is ever going to push prism but the repeated and insistent pushing of camel feels real. maybe it was the long con no one will really go here but meh
i don’t think it’s t3 right now
i don’t… think it’s jjh? i think it’s very strange to be scum and sell your vote to someone but also have a push you want in endgame and you’re like, okayyy i’ll follow you instead. i guess scum jjh assumes he won’t be voted by prism? it feels like it gives up a lot of agency though as wolf to do what you might have to endgame. he still could eventually but it feels very restrained
it could be gob maybe, i think the strength of the push on gob yesterday though wasn’t bussing. it felt more like it was real on townie parts (andres i think?) and fire was feeding into it and making it louder
i think it could be dragons and imaginality
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Post #4270 (isolation #256) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:05 am
Postby Ydrasse »
like in retrospect i don’t think firebringer was playing a foolproof or uncatchable game. i think that he may have had trouble sustaining like… believable energy and logic at this point when he was under more scrutiny if he was forced to play and his other partner left instead.
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Post #4271 (isolation #257) » Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:06 am
Postby Ydrasse »
like i guess too that whoever is his partner has more damning interactions or posts about him than the inverse, or after the elims we’ve had they’re not as likely to be scrutinized for votes etc