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Post #22 (isolation #0) » Thu Feb 08, 2024 2:12 pm
Postby Bingle »
In post 17, Gypyx wrote:
No you're not doing it right, you need to tell me that i suck
See, while you were busy pointing fingers at each other I drank both of your wine glasses. And some whiskey. And some vodka. And some cider. And some lager.
Literally a site culture thing. This site tends to lean towards longer days because people have busy lives, but if we get consensus we can and should hammer early.
yeah so kinda getting weird vibes from leek's overall posting? Kinda feels forced in the realm of wanting to push the game out of RVS while being extremely self-concsious, which is a mindset that more often comes from town than scum
also 43 Feels very much exagerrated in it's "oh yeah, i would be scum next game cause this one i'm totally town !"
am already voting leek but this can be for realsies now
Green: nuanced townread.
Red: scumread based on lamist.
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Post #114 (isolation #16) » Fri Feb 09, 2024 2:39 pm
Postby Bingle »
In post 87, Gypyx wrote:
we agree that town rarely wants to fabricate thoughts that they don't actually have right? At most they play up their reads for getting reactions and stuff
Not really as an aggregate, but certainly with newtown, and the point is taken. I found myself nodding along with the idea of newbtown wanting to push out of RVS, not really knowing how to do so, and coming across as awkward being a thing that makes sense as a basis for a townread.
I can definitely see scum trying to be seen pushing the game out of RVS (Which I think is what you're insinuating) or scum taking refuge in fluff (which Leek insinuated), but I don't think failing to push the game out of RVS is inherently scummy more than just an awkwardness tell.
As far as Leek himself goes, I actually liked 43, but I can agree that 18 and 32 are pretty tryhard. 53 doesn't seem like a scumpost, though. At the very least, I'd be surprised if Will and Leek were S/S.
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Post #149 (isolation #21) » Sat Feb 10, 2024 12:38 pm
Postby Bingle »
@Nora:
What do you think of literally no one following up on your scumread of me and gypyx specifically ignoring it?
Do you think ‘creative’ reads/lines of thought are inherently scummy, towny, NAI, or need to be judged on a case by case? If the last, what do you think about this one and why?
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Post #199 (isolation #23) » Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:48 am
Postby Bingle »
In post 198, SzmarzLeek wrote:
Bingle, you kinda defended my entrance into the thread, but do you have any scumread at this point? what are you thoughts on NotAScum and Nora?
I think we might be having twtbaw case here with NAS
It would be a mistake to assume I was townreading you based on my defense, as it was more about figuring out the push on you than you yourself. I do in fact have reads, I'll share them in a bit.
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Post #200 (isolation #24) » Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:55 am
Postby Bingle »
In post 171, Nora. wrote:
gypyx themself have seemed very townie to me though. They are being aggressive and to-the-point with their posts and there's this investigative tone to them, in a way that I find hard for wolves to replicate for fear of standing out too much. I don't think a wolf would want to invite others to sus them by being rude and forthright with everyone (uhm not rude in a bad sense but like...how do I put it lol, their posts all sound slightly angry).
LMAO if you think Gypyx is aggressive or angry. She's being proactive and setting herself up as a leader, but nothing there is angry. I'm not townreading her, but her goal here is definitely to be town leader.
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Post #201 (isolation #25) » Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:57 am
Postby Bingle »
In post 180, Gypyx wrote:
this made me laugh but also i gotta admit i'm not doing very good mentally so that probably explains the mildly angry at everything vibes you've picked up
Not game relevant, but <3 Gypyx. You know you got people who care and while we don't interact very often I have enjoyed just about every time we have. Take care of yourself and remember that you're awesome.
In post 184, Little Will o' Wisp wrote:
I'd think scum would try to avoid doing the behavior they're scum reading people for. Is this wrong?
This is circular reasoning lol
Agreed. I've actually always thought the opposite was the case. If someone is doing something and yet saying someone else doing the same thing is sus, it's frequently an indication of a guilty conscience projecting their scumminess.
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Post #212 (isolation #29) » Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:33 am
Postby Bingle »
Nora. - Playing genuinely. There's a certain sense of openness when she engages that makes me think she's actively trying to be clear with what she's saying, as opposed to trying to look good saying things. Particularly, 171 is a good example. I don't think her responses are what she thinks I want to hear, nor do they seem particularly pointed to fit an agenda. They seem to be a very good faith engagement all around.
SzmarzLeek - Original entrance was a bit awkward, but he drops into a comfortable place pretty quick. I got some LAMIST vibes early, but by 43 they'd settled down and I think he's been pretty chill since then. I quite like the analysis present (53, for example). I do get some bad vibes off of 181, it feels like he's a little IIoA there, and the lack of conclusions is worrying. I can also grok the Gypyx TMI accusation, but I think given the context of 166 it's not really scum indicative. If Leek is just assuming that Wisp/Gypyx are town for now and reevaluating later, that definitely explains Leek acting like Gypyx is town.
Little Will o' Wisp - Very surface level analysis, not very town. There's nothing really questionable about what he's been doing, but I definitely want to see him make more waves.
Aureal - Aureal's entrance is pretty par for the course, but she hasn't really done anything yet.
Bellaphant - Who?
Gypyx - Definitely the most active, most powerful voice in the thread. Seems investigative, but in a way that could easily be scum powerwolfing. If she's town she probably gets herself shot, so I don't really care about reading her as much at this point.
NotAScum - I'm scumreading him because of the "caught for the wrong reasons" vibe I got from 72, but he's also already got significant antipartner equity with Aureal and Leek, which is odd if he's scum.
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Post #213 (isolation #30) » Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:35 am
Postby Bingle »
In post 209, SzmarzLeek wrote:
because in my experience, not knowing the meta, it's townies that are doing that in more cases
Law of Large Numbers: there are more townies, so there will always be more town examples than scum examples. MS, however, tends to skew towards people who prefer townplay and I think I remember bella being one of them.
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Post #216 (isolation #32) » Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:40 am
Postby Bingle »
Bella hasn't posted on site since her last post in this thread and was similarly absent in the endgame of the last game we played, so might be a genuine IRL flake.
Bella, is there anything killing your motivation here?
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Post #222 (isolation #33) » Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:04 pm
Postby Bingle »
Eh. Gypyx is gonna get shot if she's town, we can wait til that doesn't happen if she's scum. She's a bad lim for today for the same reason I'm a bad lim for today. Cause we scary.
In post 184, Little Will o' Wisp wrote:
I'd think scum would try to avoid doing the behavior they're scum reading people for. Is this wrong?
This is circular reasoning lol
Agreed. I've actually always thought the opposite was the case. If someone is doing something and yet saying someone else doing the same thing is sus, it's frequently an indication of a guilty conscience projecting their scumminess.
Huh. I took the hypocrisy=scummy approach for a while when I started playing again. Didn't really work for anything other than getting me into TvTs.
It does that too. I think the trick is to find things that actually are scummy, as opposed to things that are play style/NAI. Also I get in a lot of TvTs.
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Post #256 (isolation #35) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:10 am
Postby Bingle »
In post 251, SzmarzLeek wrote:
Bingle, what you exactly don't like about Wisp? can you elaborate? maybe I'm missing something here, he seems generally towny and I liked the fact that he was the first person in the thread to give their list of players categorized
S’not anything he’s doing, but more what he isn’t doing. I want to see more solving and engagement from him, and I question how anyone can have a townread there when his contribution is so thin so far.
Oh sweet. I’ve been wanting to play another game with enchant. Enchant rocks.
I am afraid I have some bad news.....
I’m afraid I have some worse news: no whiskey till Saturday. I’m planning on a nice double of glenmorangie 18 to go with a steak dinner and then jack and cokes to close out the night then though.
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Post #287 (isolation #42) » Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:45 pm
Postby Bingle »
In post 275, Doctor Drew wrote:
I am down for limming someone just for being mech forward(sorry mod).
On that note, I think it’s time for mech advice. Doc, you should either target gob or holster tonight, with a preference for targeting gob. I’d estimate the equilibrium to favor an 80/20 split.
The reason for this does have mathematical grounding but requires understanding of topics like Nash equilibriums and a decent grounding in game theory.
With that said, it’d be way more fun if the doc targets someone who isn’t gob and the scumteam no kills to hopefully get a false innocent result on themselves. If there’s no kill tonight, IC can reveal the doc target with no risk so it’s low risk for mason, and it’s not directly impacting the timeline for scum miselim wise so it’s low risk for scum team. And we will get to talk about how Bingle talked scum into no killing night 1 which will be fun for all of the bingles in the thread.
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Post #349 (isolation #44) » Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:36 pm
Postby Bingle »
I feel like I should be obvtown, given both the mechanical and fun deficiency in the nightkill. As such, there are now 3 functional conftown so we’re looking pretty good for a PoE solve.
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Post #357 (isolation #47) » Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:29 am
Postby Bingle »
In post 355, Aureal wrote:
Potential chainsaw (I think that's what it's called?) defense of Leek
It is not, actually. A chainsaw defense is attacking the attacker in lieu of providing reasons to townread the accused. I wasn’t attacking gypyx and I was giving my reasons for thinking leek was town. If anything, I was chainsawing with my vote on Nas, but that would be truly stretching.
Apathetic to the wagons I mean… in a world where Leek is scum I would expect the partner to either defend them by voting the counter wagon or to bus them when they seemed like a lost cause (referring to all those times leek was top wagon) for maximum town cred. Staying on a vanity wagon seems counter intuitive to both those causes while also making you stand out weirdly… Does that make sense?
I think you're saying you're pretty sure me and leek aren't S/S, but what I want to know is what that does for your actual desires. Do you think me or leek is more likely to be scum? Do you think it has to be one of us, or could we both be town? What prompted the thought originally?
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Post #385 (isolation #52) » Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:51 pm
Postby Bingle »
I feel worse about aureal than gypyx, but if we have to lim off wagon I suppose that’s my choice as well. I think Nora has been pretty genuine in her solving.
Gypyx has been a worry of mine. There’s nothing wrong with her posting per say, but it just seems a little manipulative.
I don't even understand what is attempting to be conveyed here by Gypyx
Gypyx pointed out that your analysis of me questioning her was very surface level and missed a lot of thread nuance (like the whole part where we already discussed what I hoped to gain through that and it wasn't a defensive sequence at all), and I don't think that scum calls out their partner for surface level analysis or that scum doesn't really look at the circumstances for their partners interactions in this gamestate. Thus, the two of you are probably not scum together.
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Post #402 (isolation #55) » Sun Feb 18, 2024 6:06 am
Postby Bingle »
In post 398, Gypyx wrote:
is my drew read bad or like is it just that no one cares
Honestly, my way of reading Drew is to leave him alone and see what he does unprompted. He hasn't really done much yet so he could be either alignment. I don't think his leek push is particularly out of character though.
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Post #458 (isolation #57) » Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:31 am
Postby Bingle »
In post 409, Aureal wrote:
Wow, now I'm starting to think you're just trying to shut me down with negativity, lest I actually get into this game.
Gypyx didn't point out shit, you're answering for her (after wringing your hands earlier about people answering for others )
Speaking of 'surface level' analysis, I guess you missed that I wasn't calling Gypyx out at all there except for a faint possibility of TMI about Wisp's alignment?? It was you and Leek I was expressing suspicion about in that post.
VOTE: Bingle
I’m not trying to shut you down in the slightest.
Gypyx accused you of scanning, aka not reading in depth, which checks out but isn’t necessarily a smoking gun. And you were specifically asking about my antipartner read, so
And no, I didn’t think you were at the head of the lim Gypyx brigade. It’s also irrelevant to the antipartner read.