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In post 52, Black wrote:
We could just vote like normal during Night and I can try to do unofficial vote counts or something
I think this is optimal but it sorta defeats the point of the setup a bit.
I don't really think so. We still have to follow through with our votes and that is bound to cause some chaos. It's like Survivor where we all talk about who we're going to vote off the island. Sometimes it might not go according to plan
Yea I get what you're saying, I was just sorta interested to see what happened to a discussion phase without votes and doing this would squash that little fantasy lol.
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Post #65 (isolation #9) » Thu Apr 11, 2024 1:20 pm
Postby OopsieDaisy »
In post 61, Moros wrote:
i think votes give us things to talk about in the night. we are stuck here for seven days.
100% agree votes are like, the driving force behind d1 discussion in like p much every game i've been in. it's why i'm so curious what would happen without votes. would bandwagoning still exist but just with like opinions being shared rather than clear cut votes? how would discussion evolve? hell how would it start when a random voting stage has no voting?
like these are all rly cool questions imo that i would love to learn the answer to, but also it is objectively suboptimal to not just use the usual voting system so i'm not gonna fight it too hard if people wanna do the votes it does make more sense.
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Post #90 (isolation #10) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:17 am
Postby OopsieDaisy »
In post 89, awesomeming327 wrote:
Would scum actually vote differently from what they say though
The main scenario is obvs if a scumbuddy is being wagoned. They can switch to save. The issue is they can also switch just to create paranoia about the above so that worries ne a bit.
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Post #94 (isolation #12) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:45 am
Postby OopsieDaisy »
Like El makes these sorta posts all the time tbh but it's the best thing I have to latch onto when most of the discussion so far has just been discussing how we should handle the voting situation.
In post 93, OopsieDaisy wrote:
Also if votes did exist right now I'd prolly chuck one on El, it's a hella nitpick but 87 reads as busywork for busywork's sake.
El who would you be voting right now?
Probably you accompanied with a "rude' after you vote me
Yea that's why I'm trying to start a push on you. Get some action going ykno
This is the sort of baseless accusaiton I'd expect from Red!Daisy
She's trying to stir things up for the soul purpose of causing chaos so she can manipulate the way the pieces fall back into place. I've seen her do it countless times in irl games. She's known in our mafia group as "Daisy the chaos gremlin"
If you don't believe me you can look and any of Daisy's red games and you'll see exactly that happening
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Post #107 (isolation #16) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:02 am
Postby OopsieDaisy »
In post 106, awesomeming327 wrote:
it is a good strategy because it makes sure that the supposed hang does indeed become the actual hang
would the supposed vote ever be a good vote if so many are agreeing to it tho (if im following the discussion correctly and talking about the same strategy)
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Post #108 (isolation #17) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:03 am
Postby OopsieDaisy »
i suppose the alternate world is like, it's a free for all and cause mafia can act as a group in the votes without a clear majority they prolly dictate how most votes swing so that's also a cringer
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Post #109 (isolation #18) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:05 am
Postby OopsieDaisy »
so they're both bad and at least with one of the strategies it means mafia have to at least believably propose votes/agree in thread rather than get votes on their terms in the day. i can see the point now yea
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Post #134 (isolation #21) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 10:17 pm
Postby OopsieDaisy »
In post 113, Moros wrote:
i think the scum would not intentionally argue for bad strategy
In post 133, Moros wrote:
experience black awesomeming halfasleep towns.
these two posts feel at odds with each other to me. if you're reading players who have been intentionally arguing for bad strategy as town why are these your town reads?
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Post #138 (isolation #23) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 10:27 pm
Postby OopsieDaisy »
ok? i'm talking about your internal logic here and how it isn't adding up, not other people's. (unless the post above is just detailing why you tr awesomeming)
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Post #143 (isolation #25) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 10:51 pm
Postby OopsieDaisy »
In post 140, Moros wrote:
i'm sorry if i was unclear but i don't understand what the issue you have is.
essentially my issue is
you claimed "scum wouldn't intentionally argue for bad strategy", so from my POV that means arguing for bad strategy would be townie in your eyes. you're now claiming you just meant it wasn't alignment indicative but i figured if you don't believe scum would do something you'd prolly townread someone doing it. it's an assumption i just figured it was a fair one to make.
then your townreads come out and i don't rly see anyone on there who's argued for bad strategy in this game (bar halfasleep's jokey mention of fast nights). ping, that's a contradiction in my eyes so i've pushed it.
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Post #193 (isolation #32) » Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:08 am
Postby OopsieDaisy »
i like csf and mirage they're townie to me rn
i think scum would wanna hide in the club of people struggling to do stuff and like, masquerade as one. not to take away from anyone in this pool who is struggling but scum know the game not moving means town get nowhere closer to figuring em out. it also could just be someone is scum *and* is struggling to do stuff that's also a possibility.
i think scum would wanna hide in the club of people struggling to do stuff and like, masquerade as one. not to take away from anyone in this pool who is struggling but scum know the game not moving means town get nowhere closer to figuring em out. it also could just be someone is scum *and* is struggling to do stuff that's also a possibility.
counterpoint: the poe game
yo awesome can you clarify what this means i know poe means process of elimination but idk what the poe game is and how it's a counterpoint to what i've said lmao
i think scum would wanna hide in the club of people struggling to do stuff and like, masquerade as one. not to take away from anyone in this pool who is struggling but scum know the game not moving means town get nowhere closer to figuring em out. it also could just be someone is scum *and* is struggling to do stuff that's also a possibility.
counterpoint: the poe game
yo awesome can you clarify what this means i know poe means process of elimination but idk what the poe game is and how it's a counterpoint to what i've said lmao
"town get nowhere closer to figuring em out" is false because town can get townreads
in. Apologies for the absence, everyone. I've unexpectedly found myself quite busy the last few days, however I now have a brief while in which I shall catch up on what's occurred thus far.
Her engagement feels a bit off. She voted someone who hasn't posted in the game and didn't really comment on some of the more substantive things on page 6
i think scum would wanna hide in the club of people struggling to do stuff and like, masquerade as one. not to take away from anyone in this pool who is struggling but scum know the game not moving means town get nowhere closer to figuring em out. it also could just be someone is scum *and* is struggling to do stuff that's also a possibility.
It's kinda interesting to me you ask CSF about why she suspects Cee Mirage, but then you don't engage with CSF's reply, but then call CSF and Cee Mirage both townie. Like if you think CSF is town and suspects Cee Mirage (who you read as town too) for a reason that's presumably flawed in your eyes, wouldn't you want to comment on it?
I mean you can see my methodology behind the mirage and csf reads below them in that message. I think scum want to slow this game down and make sure as little as possible is gleaned from this Day 1. This is partially off personal experience (last time I was in a super slow D1 like this it was two quiet people who provided little to the discussion who were the scum pair there) and also just because I feel like it's the easiest option for mafia to play out here.
I can see what CSF says there, I don't disagree that voting someone who isn't here won't create much content, but nevertheless I'll take flawed engagement over no engagement right now. I felt my 193 illustrated this point in a less direct manner but sure I'll elaborate on that. It does come off a bit activity police-y which is a bit cringe but there's a difference between someone who lurks but pops in with reads every now and then VS a lot of players right now being lost and unable to provide any.
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Post #234 (isolation #44) » Mon Apr 15, 2024 2:30 am
Postby OopsieDaisy »
I will say to clarify now my reads are like:
CSF/El
Mirage/Imaginality
idk i can't think of stuff for everyone else it's hard to differentiate em but they're all below the above
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Post #236 (isolation #46) » Mon Apr 15, 2024 2:40 am
Postby OopsieDaisy »
awesomeming i'm less sure on i wanna hear him elaborate on halfasleep's question cause yes doesn't rly cut it, tho if he needs to wait to see more engagement from others that's fair it's just any reads/info is important rn. we've only got 3 days left to decide on a vote which sure can be plenty of time but it can also fly by and considering we need a strong town consensus on a vote we need to start organising sooner rather than later
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Post #238 (isolation #48) » Mon Apr 15, 2024 2:45 am
Postby OopsieDaisy »
like idrk what to say about black/titus/black ranger/experience? at least experience and black partook in a lot of the convo around how to play the day out at the start? but im not sure if any of that convo is alignment indicative bar csf painting a target on her back for no reason.
and moros is also noticeably not here but also it came under a lot of pressure from myself & csf so i can see a world where its town and just wanted to have some space to breathe. maybe that's too charitable of a read but it's what brain says so it comes outta mouth.
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Post #239 (isolation #49) » Mon Apr 15, 2024 2:48 am
Postby OopsieDaisy »
drew is memeing but i have a feeling i prolly shouldn't take that too seriously. i forgot about light too she said one of my comments pinged her but never got back to it (tho she's said she's tired so taking that at face value it's NAI)
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Post #240 (isolation #50) » Mon Apr 15, 2024 2:50 am
Postby OopsieDaisy »
hmm maybe there's some double standards going on with my reads on awesomeming and mirage. need to think on that. anyways i'll stop talking now cause i've made tooooo many posts that coulda just been one lmao
In post 239, OopsieDaisy wrote:
drew is memeing but i have a feeling i prolly shouldn't take that too seriously. i forgot about light too she said one of my comments pinged her but never got back to it (tho she's said she's tired so taking that at face value it's NAI)
what makes you say Drew's memeing, seems like he's done some questioning as well
and what would Drew memeing mean to you about his alignment, idk what conclusion you'd come to if you did "take that too seriously"
Like, I build my reads/srz bizness gameplay into my shit posting
Like my 'Ranger Reads List'(TM pending) was correct at the time how I felt about Daisy
In post 239, OopsieDaisy wrote:
drew is memeing but i have a feeling i prolly shouldn't take that too seriously. i forgot about light too she said one of my comments pinged her but never got back to it (tho she's said she's tired so taking that at face value it's NAI)
what makes you say Drew's memeing, seems like he's done some questioning as well
and what would Drew memeing mean to you about his alignment, idk what conclusion you'd come to if you did "take that too seriously"
was mostly expressing that i didn't know if i was supposed to be taking his posts seriously or not. like the readlist with just drew & i on it i had no clue whether that was joking or serious. so like it's hard to get a read on someone where i'm struggling w/ the tone.
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Post #292 (isolation #53) » Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:30 pm
Postby OopsieDaisy »
yo ming was there a reason why you lied during your posts then? i know why el did it w/ me i'm 90% sure it was a meta thing but idk your justification yet
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Post #293 (isolation #54) » Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:41 pm
Postby OopsieDaisy »
also as an fyi i should be away tomorrow cause im going on one of those winged beasts that takes you from a place to another place so if i'm not around that's why, but knowing me i'll still be here lmao
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Post #317 (isolation #55) » Mon Apr 15, 2024 9:12 pm
Postby OopsieDaisy »
In post 307, imaginality wrote:
In other words, ming could have been agreeing with Daisy on how scum would behave and disagreeing that it would stop town progressing. That's how I read it at the time. So I find ming's backtracking about the Titus vote and 'yes' and 'yes there is' posts dubious and think Black could be right about ming being scum.
In post 307, imaginality wrote:
In other words, ming could have been agreeing with Daisy on how scum would behave and disagreeing that it would stop town progressing. That's how I read it at the time. So I find ming's backtracking about the Titus vote and 'yes' and 'yes there is' posts dubious and think Black could be right about ming being scum.
Yea this is how I read it at the time
Wait I was even given an explanation, i was confused at first. huhh
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Post #354 (isolation #57) » Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:03 pm
Postby OopsieDaisy »
i'm not against a ming vote (looks like that's where consensus is headed right now) mostly just because the lying is weird. the town reason for it is he legitimately just thought it was funny. the scum reason is he's using it as an excuse to float through the day without ever actually having to commit to a stance. now it wasn't funny to me so i'm leaning the latter but humour is subjective innit, and at least ming has been actively taking part in the game. even if that activity has mostly not been genuine.
i think if we're to pressure a lurker black ranger is prolly the one i'd go for out of the ones halfasleep suggested? earlier i townread a question halfasleep asked so i've got something resembling a townping there, and titus is on the brink of replacement based on inactivity so i don't think pressure there gets us anything? looking through black ranger's iso the only thing there resembling a read is supporting drew's readlist with drew at the top me at the bottom, which makes me a little worried the reason br sticks out to me like this is because of that but also i wanna hear more so wcyd.