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[geraintm]

Oh....this game is going to be weird from what I've read above.

Will post more later.

This is post 20

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Yeah, well I eat Froot Loops for breakfast.....

[geraintm]

Oh....this game is going to be weird from what I've read above.

Will post more later.

This is post 20

i should have gone with 13.

I am

VOTE: ssbm kyouko

i think ive played with a bunch of you before, i recognise a few from the game i just left, rest i don't. though Jolyene....you ever been in a game before where your status has been annonced like that? very unusual - anyone know if our mob does this sort of thing on a regular basis?

[geraintm]

Oh....this game is going to be weird from what I've read above.

Will post more later.

This is post 20

VOTE: geraintm

rude...

[geraintm]

i think everyone has posted except jackson virgo, but i've checked and they've not been around since they inned into the game

[geraintm]

anyone know if our mob does this sort of thing on a regular basis?

Who's the "our mob"?

yes, moderator, sorry typed too quickly. like, i know what an innocent child is but a day zero one i've not seen before. it is unusual enough that i wondered if the moderator was known for weird roles

[geraintm]

Oh....this game is going to be weird from what I've read above.

Will post more later.

This is post 20

VOTE: geraintm

This is a good point. geraintm, can you elaborate on "weird"?

whats the good point?

weird - because i have never seen a game with day 1 mod confirmed townie before

[geraintm]

whats the good point?

weird - because i have never seen a game with day 1 mod confirmed townie before

A vague "this is weird" suggests that you have more information about the gamestate with which to evaluate it. To me, having an Innocent Child isn't enough to consider this a bizarro world game, but given that your experience is different, your comment makes more sense.

anytime i see something in a game ive not seen efore i consider it weird. a confirmed townie day 1...that to me is unusual and i am just going to come out and say it out loud. to me, there is a difference between a day zero IC and some other day

[geraintm]

yeah not happy with the IC diving line from geraintm. It gets us nowhere and is busywork for everyone.

Vote: geraintm

sorry, it wasnt meant to be work. if i meant work to be done, i would have investigated things myself. i dont think ive ever had this mod before. but others play more often than me

[geraintm]

I kinda feel like Alice is TMIing her partner and that Jolyene's clue about scum shitting themselves implies jolyene knows something that jo thinks that scum also know, like maybe a special kind of traitor.

If that's the case I'd hazard a guess that "our mob" was not a typo but was in fact a traitor crumb and geraintm voting me is chainsawing for Margot

Another case cracked by bdsm_ultimate_detective

if this is your typical kind of guess, you really, really shouldnt guess.

[geraintm]

I kinda feel like Alice is TMIing her partner and that Jolyene's clue about scum shitting themselves implies jolyene knows something that jo thinks that scum also know, like maybe a special kind of traitor.

If that's the case I'd hazard a guess that "our mob" was not a typo but was in fact a traitor crumb and geraintm voting me is chainsawing for Margot

Another case cracked by bdsm_ultimate_detective

Interesting. I can't see the tmi. Can you elaborate on that?


Your take on geraintm make sense. However, I can't see why geraintm would do such a risky play. It could be easily missed or noticed by Town.

a few people here have played with me before. i don't do risky plays. i did some weird plays in some recent games with opening posts, but that is as odd as i get

[geraintm]

Going to try and keep on top of claims

Kazan in post 92 hints at o e
Jolylene in 89 hints at more info

[geraintm]

I love track, and I like to have notes of who claimed what and when for later.

It was a random vote, done same way I do every game.

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As my last game has just finished, my "weird" comment about day zero IC might make more sense. I was a day 3 IC in it, so to see one in this game that flipped straight away I found odd

[geraintm]

2 mafia means two things, either mafia is very strong

or town is very weak (almost to mountainous)

11:2 with ic and no other power roles is quite balanced.

Then game isn't balanced.kayzan has already said they have a PR

[geraintm]

anyone know if our mob does this sort of thing on a regular basis?

Who's the "our mob"?

yes, moderator, sorry typed too quickly. like, i know what an innocent child is but a day zero one i've not seen before. it is unusual enough that i wondered if the moderator was known for weird roles

This line of questioning seems pointless.

i hope my later explanation of where i was coming from makes it more understanable why i was checking it out.

[geraintm]

anyone know if our mob does this sort of thing on a regular basis?

Who's the "our mob"?

yes, moderator, sorry typed too quickly. like, i know what an innocent child is but a day zero one i've not seen before. it is unusual enough that i wondered if the moderator was known for weird roles

This line of questioning seems pointless.

i hope my later explanation of where i was coming from makes it more understanable why i was checking it out.

As of post 93 I have not seen anything that fits that description no.

As my last game has just finished, my "weird" comment about day zero IC might make more sense. I was a day 3 IC in it, so to see one in this game that flipped straight away I found odd

[geraintm]

Going to try and keep on top of claims

Kazan in post 92 hints at o e
Jolylene in 89 hints at more info

Why

it happens to me more than non-zero times a game that later on i sit there and have to ask people what claims there have been in the game. so i've tried to do this a little in my recent games to keep on top of claims so i don't need to investigate through 80 pages late on.

[geraintm]

2 mafia means two things, either mafia is very strong

or town is very weak (almost to mountainous)

11:2 with ic and no other power roles is quite balanced.

Then game isn't balanced.kayzan has already said they have a PR

Are you telling us the scum have no PRs? eyes

no..i was just trying to point out to alicek that their logic has already broken down as kayzan has said they have a role of some sort.
though i hadn't considered that kayzan could have been scum

[geraintm]

this has been pointed out many times by many people

[geraintm]

@nathan - i wouldnt put anything in here about me spotting anyone hinting about any roles, just full on claimed ones. i'm not that dim.

oh, the random vote was the way i always do it, i pick a number and vote that many posts after.

kayzan - you are picking holes then with the difference between "role" and "power role" - i consider any non Vanilla town role a Power role.

this is day 1 - i promise you you will hate nearly everything i post today.

[geraintm]

claims

Kazan in post 92 hints at one
Jolylene in 89 hints at more info - posted later that there are only 2 scum and no daytalk day 1

dwlee99 - 144 - "i have a role"

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geraintm (I think this guy is just a goober, not flailing scum.)

i take it goober isn't complimentary?
im fine with that. i just said in my post mortum to my last game every single one of my day 1 scum pings were wrong.

[geraintm]

Naruto is a classic goober if that helps

i don't actually know who naruto is

[geraintm]

I'm not getting geraintm town vibes, but it's early in the game and I have faith I'll be able to read that slot eventually.

I am sure you will. I def won't be giving off scum vibes this game

[geraintm]

I'm not getting geraintm town vibes, but it's early in the game and I have faith I'll be able to read that slot eventually.

Communism is an ideology America is a country. There are American communists even, and American communist propaganda at that.

I'm a rom-communist

[geraintm]

I'm not getting geraintm town vibes, but it's early in the game and I have faith I'll be able to read that slot eventually.

Communism is an ideology America is a country. There are American communists even, and American communist propaganda at that.

wait i actually have a geninue question that anyone can pitch to answer but this may be a stupid question but

if someone scumreads you and you are town, is it your fault that you have conducted scummy behavior in that person's pov? or is it their fault for reading you wrong?

They may be scum, it is all.a wash

[geraintm]

Sweet I was wondering where you were.

Is this aimed at me?
I had nothing much to say yesterday, I skimmed and Andres basically said everything about me that I could say.
I've not seen anything too weird today except dgb, but I don't think I want to eliminate anyone and I haven't noticed any wagons forming. Maybe with only 2 scum they are harder to get going?

BTW: I predict my elimination day 4

[geraintm]

We do need to eliminate someone of course.

we dont

[geraintm]

We do need to eliminate someone of course.

we dont

and i'd day in a 2 mafia game, day 1 there is even less reason to vote someone off

VOTE: no elimination

[geraintm]

I believe there is obviously mafia on my wagon.

It's day 1. There is never obvious scum, else this game would be easy

[geraintm]

I believe there is obviously mafia on my wagon.

@Nathann I read Ythan’s ISO (it’s short). I don’t know Ythan’s meta, but I’ll say this - I don’t see them as Scum here. It’s early, the takes are dry, but they seem unconcerned about how others perceive them and seem genuine to me. Not rock solid, can be faked, and I don’t trust all my early reads. But at a gut level, seems like Town.

My main issue was that his scumread of geraintm felt opportunistic to me. I got a strong gut feeling that geraintm was a Townie who was tripping over his own words, and that made me see Ythan as scum that's trying to take advantage of anti-Town behaviour.

I know that's not foolproof, but /shrug. I don't have much else, as the rest of his posts don't sway me one way or another, at least not from memory.

Most people try and get me eliminated when they first play with me, you need to be exposed to me and then you'll get used to me. I'm like a slowly infecting fungus of towniness

[geraintm]

I believe there is obviously mafia on my wagon.

@Nathann I read Ythan’s ISO (it’s short). I don’t know Ythan’s meta, but I’ll say this - I don’t see them as Scum here. It’s early, the takes are dry, but they seem unconcerned about how others perceive them and seem genuine to me. Not rock solid, can be faked, and I don’t trust all my early reads. But at a gut level, seems like Town.

My main issue was that his scumread of geraintm felt opportunistic to me. I got a strong gut feeling that geraintm was a Townie who was tripping over his own words, and that made me see Ythan as scum that's trying to take advantage of anti-Town behaviour.

I know that's not foolproof, but /shrug. I don't have much else, as the rest of his posts don't sway me one way or another, at least not from memory.

My view on the main wagon....

I don't see any especial reason theh are the lead wagon, all they have done is be spikey when people have voted for them. The only value of voting them off is to get insight on those pushing thr wagon

[geraintm]

@geraintm

: Why are you still sitting on No Elimination?

Because I think it is best for town, we go into day 2 only 1 townie down and a bunch of night actions to help us tomorrow, rather than killing one of us

[geraintm]

And without 2 scumto.hit, our chances of getting lucky today going in blind are even worse than normal

[geraintm]

the grandpa wagon is dying quickly.
enchant, you are going to go unless things quickly change as no one else has any ideas

Oh yeah that's true that's probably best at this point. I do think GrandpaMo posts that because he's given up hope though
VOTE: Enchant

this vote...dont get it

Lemme start that wagon, then. VOTE: Enchant

and that stinks

I dunno. I feel like being a contrarian isn't the best scum strategy, and Enchant's antics are distracting us from actual scum.

I have been able to correctly town read him when everyone else wanted to eliminate him.

I can't say that I find him townie enough in this game to defend him.

VOTE: Enchant

and that isn't a ringing endorsement either. that feels oppotunistic to say the least.

in factVOTE: dripping goofball

[geraintm]

Well, things changed quickly. Enchant ain't going today either

[geraintm]

Well, things changed quickly. Enchant ain't going today either

Who should go though?

if only there was a wayof going through my posts to see who i am voting for...

[geraintm]

What the hell just happened

GMo for some reason bullshitted he, DGB and I were in a hood.

This post needs to be pinned to the top of every page so those who left for like 5 hours and came back to 10 pages of utter nonsense know what happened.

[geraintm]

I think Koba is playing their passive scum playstyle here.

VOTE: DkKoba

This vote will probably get pivoted onto to another vote. I do not want to go through this day without hammering.

Useless post. It is applying no pressure what so ever

[geraintm]

I think Koba is playing their passive scum playstyle here.

VOTE: DkKoba

This vote will probably get pivoted onto to another vote. I do not want to go through this day without hammering.

Going to work on these players:

Kazyan
Nixie (Titus)
Ythan
DGB
AliceK

Going to continue with this. Titus doesnt seem town yet, tried to get a bit out of her earlier today when GMo was RTing with the fake roleclaim. I dont think I really know how to read her yet though as I've only been town with her once recently. I was scum with her once and scum against her once too, but have only had to read her once recently, and she was a claimed PR that was NKed early, so I didnt have to figure her out in that game either.

Finished reading these. I take Ythan out of poe toDay and would especially like to revisit if Kazyan flips scum and I'm still alive. Those posts in the early 600s where he randomly starts ISOing Kazyan look unnatural to me. If Kazyan is scum Ythan is a plausible partner.

Prefer to vote any of the other 4, in this order:
Kazyan (scummiest imo)
AliceK/DGB (not towny)
Titus (more proficient as town than AliceK/DGB, but also not towny)

Do you think the soft is scummy?

Yes, I don't think we should have any significant roles since we know it's 11:2

See,I get the exact opposite vibe

[geraintm]

looking at the votes on the kazyan wagon

Let's kill kazyan

VOTE: Kazyan

Pedit: it's okay if you wanna bring it up Andre's lmao

this is pants

Let's kill kazyan

VOTE: Kazyan

Pedit: it's okay if you wanna bring it up Andre's lmao

No I really don’t want to open that back up again.

VOTE: Kazyan?

Not sure if I liked their earlier pop-in.

I agree - talk to me about what you’re seeing there. They got called out and immediately produced a response and have somewhat taken a bit of a backseat.

VOTE: Kazyan

the andres progression looks bad to me. they didn't want to go there, but let themselves get persuaded

Not like sitting on Gramps with DGB is doing any good now.

VOTE: Kazyan

That should be 4, or l-3

and that sucks too.

my god, this is a terrible wagon. you an't all be scum can you? if this wagon actually gets pushed over the line then i fully expect it to be 7 terrible, terrible votes

[geraintm]

i do realise that poking holes in every wagon that comes along means teh chances of there being a panic wagon at the end increases. maybe i should just let you all eliinate terribly

[geraintm]

Maybe you suggest someone else instead then?

I'm already voting someone. But I rather no vote than anything but ya'll hate that idea

[geraintm]

Maybe you suggest someone else instead then?

I'm already voting someone. But I rather no vote than anything but ya'll hate that idea

You don't even remember who you vote or you want for me to look personally who you vote so i can consider it?

Top 10 ways to get your scumread killed.

I want you to look , it isn't hard to go back through someone's posts. I am sure you can find other sparky posts where I tell people to do the same.

Yeah, everyone keeps saying they don't think there will be any investigative rolls....
Other people will know set up specs better than me, I'm sure.

[geraintm]

Maybe you suggest someone else instead then?

I'm already voting someone. But I rather no vote than anything but ya'll hate that idea

You don't even remember who you vote or you want for me to look personally who you vote so i can consider it?

Top 10 ways to get your scumread killed.

Can you tell me all ten so I can try and hit them all?

Is hard claiming a role and straight up getting called a liar one of them?

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@andres

898 looked like you didn't want to reopen voting for kazyan. what else does "No I really don’t want to open that back up again" in response to "let's kill kazyan" meant to mean?

981 / 128 - you mooching off someone else's read of kazyan - "talk to me about what you see there"

1003 / 130 you vote

that was the progression to the vote.

but you hadn't mentioned kazyan in any of your posts since 755 /87 - you had gone 30 odd posts without mentioning them or intereacting with them. i dislike how you tag along after someone else to join a wagon

it is actualy weird how little intereaction/thought you give to kazyan

I think {Enchant, Ythan, GrandpaMo} is where my vote will land today most likely, unless something changes. I am not getting negative vibes from Kazyan’s last set of posts. @Koba you tell me what you see, but they just seem to be a hesitant player. I’m not finding it Scummy.

@DW, talk to me about Ythan some more.

i had to go back al ong way to find that, and that was the opposite of wanting to vote for them.

[geraintm]

Although you other points on Andres may have merit. I'm still not going there or dwlee today. Are you willing to vote either AliceK or Kazyan today geraintm? Or you sticking to no lim?

im not on no elimination

[geraintm]

Are you willing to vote AliceK or Kazyan today? I'm assuming your vote is on Andres then which is as good as voting for no elim, but I didn't check where you're at. You normally go no elim D1 I thought

as no one can be bothered to check where i am voting

the grandpa wagon is dying quickly.
enchant, you are going to go unless things quickly change as no one else has any ideas

Oh yeah that's true that's probably best at this point. I do think GrandpaMo posts that because he's given up hope though
VOTE: Enchant

this vote...dont get it

Lemme start that wagon, then. VOTE: Enchant

and that stinks

I dunno. I feel like being a contrarian isn't the best scum strategy, and Enchant's antics are distracting us from actual scum.

I have been able to correctly town read him when everyone else wanted to eliminate him.

I can't say that I find him townie enough in this game to defend him.

VOTE: Enchant

and that isn't a ringing endorsement either. that feels oppotunistic to say the least.

in factVOTE: dripping goofball

and you are wrong about goign for no elim, my last few games i have been the opposite of that.

[geraintm]

andres will shield them anyways bc I know he can read gerain too

I don't need shielding.
Waiting on mod to flip a greenie now and then we can all regroup tomorrow with more info

[geraintm]

If scum think I am worth taking out tonight then I will be shocked. I never, get knightkilled (except last game when I was mod confirmed towni)

[geraintm]

Its day 1, nothing matters

[geraintm]

Just quickly checking in to say hi, away most of the day

[geraintm]

I make it that

Titus was on neither of the other 3 wagons
GrandpaMo was on neither of the other 3 wagons
Kayzan was on the Enchant wagon
Dwlee99 was on the GrandpaMo wagon
Enchant was on none of the other three wagons
Nathan was on the Alice and GrandpaMo one

Man thats weird, so little cross matching between the wagons

Ythan and Andres were on the Kayzan and Grandpamo ones.

i don't know what to make of it so far.




Final elimination vote

Vote Count 1.11

AliceK (7)Titus;GrandpaMo;Kazyan;Dwlee99;Nathann;Enchant;

Jolyne

;

Kazyan (4)ssbm_Kyouko;Andresvmb;Ythan;DrippingGoofball;

DrippingGoofball (1)geraintm;

Dwlee99 (1)AliceK;

this was the previous high watermark of the Enchant wagon

Vote Count 1.8

GrandpaMo (4)Andresvmb;Dwlee99;Ythan;

Enchant

MargotRosa

(3)ssbm_Kyouko;Kazyan;DrippingGoofball;

Beleive this was as high as GrandpaMo got

Vote Count 1.6

GrandpaMo (5)Andresvmb;

Jolyne

;Nathann;Dwlee99;Ythan;

[geraintm]

I didn't have time to expand on my thoughts, it's a bank holiday weekend here.

But yes, I was looking to see if anyone was on multiple wagons, usually where I look when I don't yet have any info to go on.

But it was weird how little there was. And the mini wagons that formed before the final Alice wagon just look a little....isolationist if that makes sense

[geraintm]

I have no reason to doubt that claim, and will be believing it for the rest of the game. My focus will be elsewhere.nlw

[geraintm]

I make it that

Titus was on neither of the other 3 wagons
GrandpaMo was on neither of the other 3 wagons
Kayzan was on the Enchant wagon
Dwlee99 was on the GrandpaMo wagon
Enchant was on none of the other three wagons
Nathan was on the Alice and GrandpaMo one

Man thats weird, so little cross matching between the wagons

Ythan and Andres were on the Kayzan and Grandpamo ones.

i don't know what to make of it so far.




Final elimination vote

Vote Count 1.11

AliceK (7)Titus;GrandpaMo;Kazyan;Dwlee99;Nathann;Enchant;

Jolyne

;

Kazyan (4)ssbm_Kyouko;Andresvmb;Ythan;DrippingGoofball;

DrippingGoofball (1)geraintm;

Dwlee99 (1)AliceK;

this was the previous high watermark of the Enchant wagon

Vote Count 1.8

GrandpaMo (4)Andresvmb;Dwlee99;Ythan;

Enchant

MargotRosa

(3)ssbm_Kyouko;Kazyan;DrippingGoofball;

Beleive this was as high as GrandpaMo got

Vote Count 1.6

GrandpaMo (5)Andresvmb;

Jolyne

;Nathann;Dwlee99;Ythan;

Titus (6)ssbm_Kyouko;Andresvmb;Nathann;Kazyan;DrippingGoofball;GrandpaMo;

That was the Titus wagon

SSBM obv town

GrandpaMo;Kazyan;Dwlee99;Nathann;Enchant
^^ those were the unknowns on the Day 1 wagon

Kazyan on both - and on the Enchant wagon
Nathann on both - and on the GrandpaMo one and also said they were on the Kayzan one

Whoever Townreads Enchant (DGB I think? Anyone else?), can I get a tl;dr? Or maybe even a full read?

In the interest of making something happen, VOTE: Titus.

that was the reasoning on the vote on titus

I just rechecked, I don't think I am. And I was planning on unvoting because it seemed like the gamestate was happy with the wagon. Here's hoping I was wrong.

they posted this later

if i was betting, this would be where i would be looking, but it is pretty circumstantial....

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if i was betting, this would be where i would be looking, but it is pretty circumstantial....

Actually, what was the point of this? You obviously thought I was Scummy, if there a reason you seem afraid of voting me?

Because I did what I do when I have no extra info , look at voting patterns, but I didn't get any strong pings.
And I trust my judgement hardly at all, so I'm not going to lead anywhere. Much more likely today to follow when others make good cases.
I just threw out my quick initial thoughts for others to see

[geraintm]

I have no reason to doubt that claim, and will be believing it for the rest of the game. My focus will be elsewhere.nlw

think this might have been missed by people, but i said yesterday i had no reason not to beleive the claim

[geraintm]

and will be believing it for the rest of the game.

This bit seems like a weird thing to tack on but I'm still not really sure how to interpret it.

it was just meant ot mean "i will take this as fact for the rest of the game and use it to base my reads on, unless contradicted by future info"
I didnt think i needed to put the obvious qualifer on

Shocking that GrandpaMo was lying about their role. What else is new.

Does GrandpaMo have form with this?

Shocking that GrandpaMo was lying about their role. What else is new.

dont say things like this, i'll start thinking i am cleverer than i am.
but do keep saying nice things about me

The reason I’m alive and Kyouko was killed (we were both read as Town by Jolyne, and I also TR Kyouko), is because I was somewhat pocketed by Nathann. That’s a theory. Maybe wrong, but that’s an idea.

GrandpaMo’s atrocious play is never getting NK’ed. Consistently lying about their role is spectacularly aggravating, but probably not what I expect Scum to be doing. geraintm is Town, and Enchant’s healthy skepticism and pointed remarks make them Town in my book.

There’s just not that many options from where I stand.

if grandpamo is town, i don't see them touching them with a NK, scum must hope they get themselves eliminated for their play.
If GrandpaMo is scum, then well played...


the posts leading up to 1480 from Andres and Nathann - i am reading Andres as town and Nathann's vote feels like trying to get out from under pressure and deflect elsewhere. i dunno, i do realise this is just me reading into people's play what i want to.

BTW, with the fake watcher claim this does feel a really, really flat town with barely any roles around

@Kayzan 1520 and the claim of VT
Is everyone in this game who is town trying to get themselves eliminated by faking roles? ANd none of you succeeded? Makes anyone who does actually have a role feel a little better i guess unless their role was really odd and we had an actual Vengeful or something.

I think i would like to push them towards town lean, but their votes are problematic - they were on Alice and Titus and on the Enchant wagon. I think my town lean pile is Andres and GrandpaMo.
scum pile is still likely nathann and then Kayzan - anyone know of games where kayzan has planned fake town roles as scum before?

The two people I want to hear from right now are gera and Enchant. geraintm has repeadly expressed sentiments about waiting until there's more to analyze, Enchant is the only person who consistently scumread Andre on Day 1. I'd like their takes on whether this argument is headed somewhere helpful or down the drain. I'll talk about it if it helps, but I just really want DGB gone.

i have tried looking at the wagons.

Oh, just looked up what supersaint was - it is a vengeful variant i've never come across before. my god this game will be very funny if Mod has put an actual vengeful in the game

@ kayzan 1530 - hmmm, this is pretty good if coming from scum. i am fairly on board with kayzan as likely town

"gera - probably town; would have great restraint to stay off all of these wagons"

^^^ if i am scum and town have managed to quickly eliminate two townies without my involvement, then town is just plain doomed and you should all go home now.

About Andre question, i don't know. If you are town, and townread me, well you doing it right. I saw more bizarre reasons for reads.

About fakeclaims. I don't think it's anti-town to fakeclaim to draw NK. But i simple don't believe you do that with common sense or any sense at all.
For example, why fake Supersaint and expect to be killed? Supersaint is mostly -2 townies via miselim. WHY NIGHTKILL THIS PRESENT? After town literally forced to skip elim to make even amount of players as well. +1 NK. Ergo: -3 Townies just because of supersaint.

Idk why you simple didn't fake 1-Shot Cop or something like that like i did. Yes i made crumbs as well.

so has evreyone claimed to have crumbed a fake role now?

Enchant - crumbed 1 shot cop
Kayzan - crumbed supersaint {< i town read}
grandpamo - faked watcher {<- I town read}

am i missing anything from the rest?

Dwlee99
geraintm;
Ythan;
Andresvmb; {< i town read}
Nathann; {< i scum read}
DrippingGoofball;

[geraintm]

I think my town lean pile is Andres and GrandpaMo.

Talk to me about GMo because I’m really struggling there.

gut feeling that scum wouldnt have blundered so badly the entire game. if they are scum, they won't be allowed to live to the end game. they relly don't need to be the focus today

[geraintm]

I'm not seeing scum!Nathan on iso, though.

Nobody is seeing anything on ISO though, votes are actually actions.

[geraintm]

my fear is that my reads are all wrong, scum think they can lead me on a merry dance and then eliminate me at the end of the game

[geraintm]

I looked at geraintm especially because he escaped my notice all game, but he seems solvey in a genuine way so I wouldn't vote there.

If you think I'm scum you need to believe I managed to get two townies eliminated with no effort whatsoever.
And I think I am an easy scum to spot...

[geraintm]

VOTE: nathann

[geraintm]

8 out of 9 seems high.
I don't think GrandpaMo is going to flip red. I'll obviously be happy if it is but I am not voting there today.

[geraintm]

I have tried looking at enchants recent posts and I can't work out who they actually think is scum

[geraintm]

Gera does not have much to say.

I'm just concise

[geraintm]

@ythan

why is voting the person i find most scummy ridiculous?

I'm not sure what the 2nd comment means - i read a player as town. i also say if they are not town, then by the end of the game the rest of us will make sure their play doesn't let them win?

[geraintm]

8 out of 9 seems high.
I don't think GrandpaMo is going to flip red. I'll obviously be happy if it is but I am not voting there today.

Why so?

why what? Why don't i think they are going to flip as scum? I just don't, i think they are town.
Obviously though i am more than happy to be wrong about this

[geraintm]

Like being arguably wrong is one thing but sharing reads that don't seem to have a basis in reality is suspicious.

my fear is that my reads are all wrong, scum think they can lead me on a merry dance and then eliminate me at the end of the game

you know i have no confidence in my own reads right? I know i am awful at spotting scum in mos games i play - you don't need to tell me that my reads are bad.
but to say they don't have any basis in reality - well i do set out my logic, you can disagree with my thinking but you cannot say i don't set out what my reads are and why. arguing "it is made up" - well that can be said about every read in every game....

i explicity have the read on grandpamo that scum would not have played this badly. i also say it won't impact the end result as town will not let the game end with grandpamo still around so they can be parked for a while.

[geraintm]

And why you think Nathann will? Didn't saw your case.

1406

[geraintm]

i'm around.
i think andres was pretty heavily reading me as town so im sad they are gone.
if someone is going to make a case i am scum, then please try so we can get past that quickly and look at real suspects.

i have bad reads and i am always unable to persuade anyone else in their validity....so maybe they aren't bad?

[geraintm]

Vote Count 1.11

AliceK (7)Titus;GrandpaMo;Kazyan;Dwlee99;Nathann;Enchant;

Jolyne

;

Vote Count 2.FINAL

Titus

Nixie

(6)ssbm_Kyouko;Andresvmb;Nathann;Kazyan;DrippingGoofball;GrandpaMo;

Vote Count 3.FINAL

GrandpaMo (5)Andresvmb;Enchant;Ythan;DrippingGoofball;Kazyan;

Vote 1 still alive
Kazyan;Dwlee99;Nathann;Enchant

Vote 2 still alive

Nathann;Kazyan;DrippingGoofball

Vote 3 still alive

Enchant;Ythan;DrippingGoofball;Kazyan;

Kayzan on all 3
DGB on 2
Enchant on 2
Nathann on 2
Ythan on 1
Dwlee on 1

Me - Zero

[geraintm]

There isn't a chance I'm voting Kazyan.

the only person on all 3 wagons you rule out?
something stinks

[geraintm]

Not based on associatives I just have two next best guesses in Enchant and Gera.

please tell me how you associate me with Kayzan?

[geraintm]

I guess that Andre's death doesn't tell us anything about Ythan, because of that 8/9 consensus I talked about--there wouldn't be any way for Ythan's partner to take the heat off of him, right?

you talked about and i disagreed with

8 out of 9 seems high.
I don't think GrandpaMo is going to flip red. I'll obviously be happy if it is but I am not voting there today.

[geraintm]

i aint voting anywhere outside the Kayzan/DGB/Enchant/Nathan block today.

[geraintm]

VOTE: kayzan nto sure why i havent started with this, it is where i am going to end up

[geraintm]

Gera is your case just that kazyan has been on every wagon and they flipped town? Am I missing something?

at the moment, until i do more work looking at their actual votes, that is the case. im just playing the odds

[geraintm]

Counterpoint: Kazyan has been very townie.

voting townies out every single time is not very townie

[geraintm]

VOTE: AliceK

Can we wagon Dwlee instead or is that not gonna be possible with 20 hours left

oml we've gotta eliminate someone. Neither Nathan nor geraintm want to vote Alice, so can we VOTE: Dwlee?

VOTE: AliceK

Kayzan's Day 1 end of play votes.

Whatever, I'll deal with you later.

Hey Titus, how ya doin'? VOTE: Titus

this was their vote on Titus. it was 1333. Elimination was 1401
i canot see any obvious reasoning to vote Titus in their preceeding votes. there was nothing but waffle after this vote the rest of the day, just promises to solve things the next day and how their reads are getting flipped.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

Bottom text

that was the hammer on GrandpaMo

We're not really "set" on anyone. The two wagons are both people that I'm comfortable yeeting.

this was earlier. they were equally happy to eliminate Ythan, and their posts leading up to the vote on grandpamo were pushing ythan much, much harder.

The biggest info flip right now would be GMo, so that we can properly read all of those reactions to him. Or maybe gera, with the info being "wtf is gera doing", but we don't need to know that to win the game yet.

These plans are more for Day 4, though--it looks like we have a broad consensus on executing Ythan today instead of DGB. I'm willing to wait a little longer for Ythan's input, but if this goes on until the mod starts searching for a replacement, I'll just vote and get it over with.

this is the reasoning post on why to vote for grandpamo - for infomation.
and getting people to agree that Ythan is the consensus elimination....but as i said, voting grandpamo who is town.

yeah, if they have accidentally voted townies every single time and have this reasoning then they stink if they are town, or else stink due to that fresh scum smell.

i am very, very happy with my vote.
the alternative is me

[geraintm]

Counterpoint: Kazyan has been very townie.

voting townies out every single time is not very townie

What your list proves, expect for your lazyness in voting?

happier now with my vote?

[geraintm]

Well it's not good for town but "voted out town" isn't a scum tell unless it's paired with something like opportunism. Don't think Kazyan's votes have seemed opportunistic though

i strongly beg to differ.#

this is about the part of the game where i start getting really, really strong opinions and it will be almost impossible to get me to shift from them, just to warn everyone.

[geraintm]

Since you think I'm scum, who do you think is the other one?

you are going to need to go way beyond just saying you think i am scum at this point of the game.
you are going to need to show how I, as scum, have pushed this game to the current state.

I want to do some NKA with geraintm in mind. gera has been townread by almost everyone after day 1, while having a set of reads that diverge a lot from consensus. Do the deaths of Kyo and Andre--instead of ger at any point--tall us anything about how accurate those reads are, or gera's alignment?

this was your last post about me. it said i was being town read by most people, and that my reads are different to everyone else's.

as i have not been on any eliminations i take pride in that fact, and i am curious how you are going to try and spin me not being wrong every single day (unlike yourself who...checks notes...has voted for a townie every single day).

[geraintm]

sorry - i misread some of your post, am an idiot.

i dont know who else is scum. i think you are the most likely person to be scum through voting and explanations of those votes. i am more than happy to worry about that later.

[geraintm]

i also thing your picture is a QR code every time i see it

[geraintm]

the misread was "Since you think I'm scum" - i twisted it to since i think you are scum"

[geraintm]

Kazyan not getting puahed over the edge now when they could so easily be is telling to me

[geraintm]

people asking for explanations of votes.
i have given the mot detailed explanation of any of mine the entire game...and it has been pretty much allowed to disappear. i think someone went "i don't like the bit on one of the days" but no one has really challenged it.

since i posted, their response is "A townie is voting me, atownie and things are bad"
"enchant sucks at this game because they aren't interested"
self vote
"geraint makes a good point but i am going to make a terrible point about end of game play when we aren't in end of game state
"all my reads were wrong so now all my plans are wrong"

They are at no point progressing the game or explaining how they managed to be so wrong the entire game.

[geraintm]

You didn't even mention me

[geraintm]

no one died?

[geraintm]

i think i'll just get this out of the way now.

I was bulletproof, which is why i believe no one died last night.

i am actually surprised, because i thought i would be left alive to be pushed for trying to get Kayzan gone so hard yesterday and not considering anyone else.

[geraintm]

what logic, getting the claim out?
in my notes from lat night i said to myself i didn't think i would be the target of the night kill because i thought scum would push me for being so fixated on going after kayzan.
but i was so to save time i thought i would share my role.

[geraintm]

today, because i got targeted and i had such a hard on for kayzan, it makes me wonder if i was correct about them?

but, as everyone else got the correct elimination yesterday and i have done the most i can as a townie by sucking up a night kill, i am prepared to step back abit and just let the info i have percolate.

[geraintm]

im done now, it was only for 1 night.
I'm curious if people considered me having a role, if my hints were enough? tell me after the game....

i claimed because i thought the benefits to town of basically narrowing the field down from 6 to 5 is really helpful, and i wanted people to know i was targeted because that info is likely useful to.

[geraintm]

why does my claim have anything to do with enchant then kazyan?

[geraintm]

We really just had an IC, 1-shot bulletproof, and a named townie

i dont know what is balanced, ive never been good at that sort of thing.
i am happy to go with the flow and vote for enchant unless someone can give me a plausable reason not to. i tried making a strong case yesterday on someone, no one else followed me and the rest of town managed to find a scum anyways. my confidence is gone this game, so i'm happy to follow the crowd and go hang out in the dead thread.

[geraintm]

Anyhoo

There are 2 scum left.

It's not me, it's not geraintm, it's not Nathann, it's not Kazyan.

It's

Dwlee and Enchant

, that's my solve.

I'm willing to vote Enchant if you all can promise not to eat each other alive if I'm dead tomorrow while scum!Dwlee chews gum.

J haven't posted much today, I have stepped back a little because I thought the rest of town would be better than me to catch scum

Then this post.

I was wrong. Some of you are dumber than a bag of hammers

[geraintm]

Then this post.

I was wrong. Some of you are dumber than a bag of hammers

I'm risking an insult from geraintm here, but what is so bad about that post? Other than the obvious mistake of the number of Scum alive.

it was the obvious mistake. i used a quote from O Brother to describe it

are we just waiting on the flip now? I am sorry i've been useless today, but don't think i'll be around to drag everyone down tomorrow.

[geraintm]

VOTE: no eliminationi presume we no vote

[geraintm]

i was online when the email came through, hence my promptness.
this is the onyl game i;m in so just want it to progress quickly.

[geraintm]

That is hammer. See y'all in another long time

3 for a majority

[geraintm]

Oh, I didn't know that. Everyday is school day

[geraintm]

I might have misled people
My understanding of my role is I cannot be killed by anyone at night until it is down to 2 people

[geraintm]

I initially thought I couldn't get killed at all, so I was sitting there trying to work out how I could get myself run up and voted out before I realised that wasn't right

[geraintm]

I was really hoping the previous night I would be shot again so we wouldn't have 4 people left

[geraintm]

ah well.
i had no idea how to get into the final 3, but if i had i wouldn't have voted Kazyan, my view on them had flipped hard from earlier in the game.