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Is that a slip?Adel wrote:I can't see Adel being scum with anyone else.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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I saw it more as talking about Guardian and Battousai, and how she couldn't see Adel being Scum with anyone but those two. Obviously, she shouldn't be able to see Adel being Scum period if she's not Scum.JDodge wrote:
Uhm.SensFan wrote:
Is that a slip?Adel wrote:I can't see Adel being scum with anyone else.
If Adel were scum, she'd have to be scum with someone else.
See the logic here?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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I most certainly can't see myself as being Scum with anyone, which is the point I was making.Adel wrote:So who can you see being scum with Guardian? Sensfan?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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No.Adel wrote:
have you ever played with me or read one of the games I've played in before?SensFan wrote:
Is that a slip?Adel wrote:I can't see Adel being scum with anyone else.
(my guess is yes, which makes your posting seem like a transparently exploitative attempt, and really not up to the standard of play I'm expecting from this game. be a baller.)(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Because its page 2?Lord Gurgi wrote:In other news, why is Guardian still breathing?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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2 people were calling for a hammer so I went back and looked at your play thus far. I didn't like you trying to make someone unlynchable, but I thought maybe it was Adel/JDodge scumpair. When Gurgi also called for a hammer, I knew that at least one of them was Town, so I hammered.Guardian wrote:wait -- also -- SF, what reason did you have to vote me, if any?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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I have a very large tendency to gambit.JDodge wrote:
I think lynching Sens is better than lynching Adel thanks to Adel's tendency towards gambitting, meaning that any tells on her are less solid.Guardian wrote:if you have any questions for me or comments on my analysis of the game please present it now. I feel about 85% confident in it.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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I found you suspicious, but not suspicious enough to hammer with potentially only the Scum calling for a lynch. When Gurgi chimed in, I knew there was at least one Town person comfortable with your lynch, so I hammered.Guardian wrote:
so one or two townies and one or two scum wanted me hammered... ergo you hammered?SensFan wrote:
2 people were calling for a hammer so I went back and looked at your play thus far. I didn't like you trying to make someone unlynchable, but I thought maybe it was Adel/JDodge scumpair. When Gurgi also called for a hammer, I knew that at least one of them was Town, so I hammeredGuardian wrote:wait -- also -- SF, what reason did you have to vote me, if any?
you say you looked at my play -- what if anything was suspicious about it?
As I said, I really didn't like the whole MOS thing.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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I don't consider a page 1 vote as comfortable with a lynch.JDodge wrote:
There were 3 people voting him. Of course there was at least one town person comfortable with the lynch.SensFan wrote:
I found you suspicious, but not suspicious enough to hammer with potentially only the Scum calling for a lynch. When Gurgi chimed in, I knew there was at least one Town person comfortable with your lynch, so I hammered.Guardian wrote:
so one or two townies and one or two scum wanted me hammered... ergo you hammered?SensFan wrote:
2 people were calling for a hammer so I went back and looked at your play thus far. I didn't like you trying to make someone unlynchable, but I thought maybe it was Adel/JDodge scumpair. When Gurgi also called for a hammer, I knew that at least one of them was Town, so I hammeredGuardian wrote:wait -- also -- SF, what reason did you have to vote me, if any?
you say you looked at my play -- what if anything was suspicious about it?
As I said, I really didn't like the whole MOS thing.
Don't get me wrong, the lynch was just what this game needed to get kick-started - but your pretense for hammering is bullshit.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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Note that that is not my entire justification. I was suspicious of you, as I have now said 3 times.Guardian wrote:
this.JDodge wrote:
There were 3 people voting him. Of course there was at least one town person comfortable with the lynch.SensFan wrote:
I found you suspicious, but not suspicious enough to hammer with potentially only the Scum calling for a lynch. When Gurgi chimed in, I knew there was at least one Town person comfortable with your lynch, so I hammered.Guardian wrote:
so one or two townies and one or two scum wanted me hammered... ergo you hammered?SensFan wrote:
2 people were calling for a hammer so I went back and looked at your play thus far. I didn't like you trying to make someone unlynchable, but I thought maybe it was Adel/JDodge scumpair. When Gurgi also called for a hammer, I knew that at least one of them was Town, so I hammeredGuardian wrote:wait -- also -- SF, what reason did you have to vote me, if any?
you say you looked at my play -- what if anything was suspicious about it?
As I said, I really didn't like the whole MOS thing.
Don't get me wrong, the lynch was just what this game needed to get kick-started - but your pretense for hammering is bullshit.
citing evidence that at least one townie supported my lynch is a really, really really bad justificatory thing for my lynch.
id say sensfan is maybe even a better lynch than adel.
it is really really bad to lynch someone just because at least one townie (and possibly two scum!) want it.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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The tone of the 3 lynch him posts certainly came off as serious. Are you trying to backtrack from your asking for a lynch? Is anyone else claiming they weren't serious?JDodge wrote:
Because people yelling "LYNCH HIM" on page 1 is somehow more serious?SensFan wrote:
I don't consider a page 1 vote as comfortable with a lynch.JDodge wrote:
There were 3 people voting him. Of course there was at least one town person comfortable with the lynch.SensFan wrote:
I found you suspicious, but not suspicious enough to hammer with potentially only the Scum calling for a lynch. When Gurgi chimed in, I knew there was at least one Town person comfortable with your lynch, so I hammered.Guardian wrote:
so one or two townies and one or two scum wanted me hammered... ergo you hammered?SensFan wrote:
2 people were calling for a hammer so I went back and looked at your play thus far. I didn't like you trying to make someone unlynchable, but I thought maybe it was Adel/JDodge scumpair. When Gurgi also called for a hammer, I knew that at least one of them was Town, so I hammeredGuardian wrote:wait -- also -- SF, what reason did you have to vote me, if any?
you say you looked at my play -- what if anything was suspicious about it?
As I said, I really didn't like the whole MOS thing.
Don't get me wrong, the lynch was just what this game needed to get kick-started - but your pretense for hammering is bullshit.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Fair enough, though I think everyone on the wagon is just as accountable for the fact you were lynched as I was, since they were all calling for a lynch.Guardian wrote:sensfan -- it wud have been nice to say you were suspicious of me, and why, and let me respond to it -- before hammering.
not doing so is uberscumzie(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Had I been voting him and not you, would you have hammered?JDodge wrote:
Hello tomorrow's lynch.SensFan wrote:
Fair enough, though I think everyone on the wagon is just as accountable for the fact you were lynched as I was, since they were all calling for a lynch.Guardian wrote:sensfan -- it wud have been nice to say you were suspicious of me, and why, and let me respond to it -- before hammering.
not doing so is uberscumzie(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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So I am scummy for doing something that you would have done in my spot, because I waited to see if it would have the approval of at least 1 Town person?JDodge wrote:
Yes, because I'd have thought it a well-reasoned hammer instead of pandering to the masses.SensFan wrote:
Had I been voting him and not you, would you have hammered?JDodge wrote:
Hello tomorrow's lynch.SensFan wrote:
Fair enough, though I think everyone on the wagon is just as accountable for the fact you were lynched as I was, since they were all calling for a lynch.Guardian wrote:sensfan -- it wud have been nice to say you were suspicious of me, and why, and let me respond to it -- before hammering.
not doing so is uberscumzie
It's Sens-Flimsy. Calling this now.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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Now see, that's complete bullshit. Do I need to point out the (now 4) times I've said I found him scummy?JDodge wrote:You're scummy for hammering someone on a case you didn't believe in on the basis of pandering to the majority.
More to the point, stop avoiding the question. Why am I scummy for doing something you would have done, but waiting to make sure at least 1 other Town person agrees?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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Yeah, I only hammered after 3 other people voted for him. Real good scumtell there!JDodge wrote:
I've answered your question multiple times. You only showed suspicion after the fact, AND only showed enough suspicion to hammer onceSensFan wrote:
Now see, that's complete bullshit. Do I need to point out the (now 4) times I've said I found him scummy?JDodge wrote:You're scummy for hammering someone on a case you didn't believe in on the basis of pandering to the majority.
More to the point, stop avoiding the question. Why am I scummy for doing something you would have done, but waiting to make sure at least 1 other Town person agrees?you precieved that it was safe to do so, because a majority makeup of the town tomorrow agreed with you..(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Right. But you are saying that I'm Scum for hammering only with support of 50%+ of the Town. Surely that is the case for any hammer...JDodge wrote:
Vote =/= call for the hammer; you yourself said that page 1 votes were pretty much meaningless.SensFan wrote:Yeah, I only hammered after 3 other people voted for him. Real good scumtell there!(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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I would never hammer anyone without 50% of the Town supporting it.JDodge wrote:
You're not at all paying attention to what I am saying.SensFan wrote:
Right. But you are saying that I'm Scum for hammering only with support of 50%+ of the Town. Surely that is the case for any hammer...JDodge wrote:
Vote =/= call for the hammer; you yourself said that page 1 votes were pretty much meaningless.SensFan wrote:Yeah, I only hammered after 3 other people voted for him. Real good scumtell there!
YOU YOURSELF have said, multiple times, that you waited on the hammer until you had (and I paraphrase a bit here) "at least 1 town" calling for it. Hence, you waited for3 peopleto call for the hammer.
This allows you to weasel yourself out of suspicion becausethey asked for it. Sans this confirmation, people would have basis to say "but we were just pressuring him, why the hell did you hammer on page 2", which would thus be bad for you. You saw the opportunity to hammer a townsperson with minimal suspicion being inflicted upon you, and you took it.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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I have been Town before, you realize? And why should anyone end the day without a majority agreeing for a lynch? Why should my opinion override that of the majority?JDodge wrote:
Then again, if by some obscene stretch of the imagination youSensFan wrote:
I would never hammer anyone without 50% of the Town supporting it.JDodge wrote:
You're not at all paying attention to what I am saying.SensFan wrote:
Right. But you are saying that I'm Scum for hammering only with support of 50%+ of the Town. Surely that is the case for any hammer...JDodge wrote:
Vote =/= call for the hammer; you yourself said that page 1 votes were pretty much meaningless.SensFan wrote:Yeah, I only hammered after 3 other people voted for him. Real good scumtell there!
YOU YOURSELF have said, multiple times, that you waited on the hammer until you had (and I paraphrase a bit here) "at least 1 town" calling for it. Hence, you waited for3 peopleto call for the hammer.
This allows you to weasel yourself out of suspicion becausethey asked for it. Sans this confirmation, people would have basis to say "but we were just pressuring him, why the hell did you hammer on page 2", which would thus be bad for you. You saw the opportunity to hammer a townsperson with minimal suspicion being inflicted upon you, and you took it.aretown, you are henceforth urged to grow a pair.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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Why should the person who happens to not be voting someone be more accountable than the 3 people who are calling for a hammer, but happen to be voting that person?JDodge wrote:
If you have a good reason to hammer, then hammer already; you can justify it later. You are human. You are fallible. You are likely to be wrong. That should not stop you in the least.SensFan wrote:
I have been Town before, you realize? And why should anyone end the day without a majority agreeing for a lynch? Why should my opinion override that of the majority?JDodge wrote:
Then again, if by some obscene stretch of the imagination youSensFan wrote:
I would never hammer anyone without 50% of the Town supporting it.JDodge wrote:
You're not at all paying attention to what I am saying.SensFan wrote:
Right. But you are saying that I'm Scum for hammering only with support of 50%+ of the Town. Surely that is the case for any hammer...JDodge wrote:
Vote =/= call for the hammer; you yourself said that page 1 votes were pretty much meaningless.SensFan wrote:Yeah, I only hammered after 3 other people voted for him. Real good scumtell there!
YOU YOURSELF have said, multiple times, that you waited on the hammer until you had (and I paraphrase a bit here) "at least 1 town" calling for it. Hence, you waited for3 peopleto call for the hammer.
This allows you to weasel yourself out of suspicion becausethey asked for it. Sans this confirmation, people would have basis to say "but we were just pressuring him, why the hell did you hammer on page 2", which would thus be bad for you. You saw the opportunity to hammer a townsperson with minimal suspicion being inflicted upon you, and you took it.aretown, you are henceforth urged to grow a pair.
However, when you try to remove self-accountability, that in and of itself is suspicious.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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I don't hammer if a majority don't support it, extenuating circumstances aside. Why should my opinion be more important than the majority's?JDodge wrote:
You're ignoring my point and arguing the basis surrounding the point.SensFan wrote:
Why should the person who happens to not be voting someone be more accountable than the 3 people who are calling for a hammer, but happen to be voting that person?JDodge wrote:
If you have a good reason to hammer, then hammer already; you can justify it later. You are human. You are fallible. You are likely to be wrong. That should not stop you in the least.SensFan wrote:
I have been Town before, you realize? And why should anyone end the day without a majority agreeing for a lynch? Why should my opinion override that of the majority?JDodge wrote:
Then again, if by some obscene stretch of the imagination youSensFan wrote:
I would never hammer anyone without 50% of the Town supporting it.JDodge wrote:
You're not at all paying attention to what I am saying.SensFan wrote:
Right. But you are saying that I'm Scum for hammering only with support of 50%+ of the Town. Surely that is the case for any hammer...JDodge wrote:
Vote =/= call for the hammer; you yourself said that page 1 votes were pretty much meaningless.SensFan wrote:Yeah, I only hammered after 3 other people voted for him. Real good scumtell there!
YOU YOURSELF have said, multiple times, that you waited on the hammer until you had (and I paraphrase a bit here) "at least 1 town" calling for it. Hence, you waited for3 peopleto call for the hammer.
This allows you to weasel yourself out of suspicion becausethey asked for it. Sans this confirmation, people would have basis to say "but we were just pressuring him, why the hell did you hammer on page 2", which would thus be bad for you. You saw the opportunity to hammer a townsperson with minimal suspicion being inflicted upon you, and you took it.aretown, you are henceforth urged to grow a pair.
However, when you try to remove self-accountability, that in and of itself is suspicious.
I am not saying that I am unaccountable. I am not saying that any of us who called for the hammer are any less accountable than you are. I am saying that your waiting until you had that safety net of 3 other people having as much accountability as you is suspicious.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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I feel like you're playing word games here. You agree that my opinion shouldn't be worth more than the majority, but I'm scummy for waiting for me to make a majority of people happy with a hammer to hammer?JDodge wrote:
Never said that. Said that you shouldn't hold back on acting on your opinion for fear of being shunned by the majority.SensFan wrote:
I don't hammer if a majority don't support it, extenuating circumstances aside. Why should my opinion be more important than the majority's?JDodge wrote:
You're ignoring my point and arguing the basis surrounding the point.SensFan wrote:
Why should the person who happens to not be voting someone be more accountable than the 3 people who are calling for a hammer, but happen to be voting that person?JDodge wrote:
If you have a good reason to hammer, then hammer already; you can justify it later. You are human. You are fallible. You are likely to be wrong. That should not stop you in the least.SensFan wrote:
I have been Town before, you realize? And why should anyone end the day without a majority agreeing for a lynch? Why should my opinion override that of the majority?JDodge wrote:
Then again, if by some obscene stretch of the imagination youSensFan wrote:
I would never hammer anyone without 50% of the Town supporting it.JDodge wrote:
You're not at all paying attention to what I am saying.SensFan wrote: Right. But you are saying that I'm Scum for hammering only with support of 50%+ of the Town. Surely that is the case for any hammer...
YOU YOURSELF have said, multiple times, that you waited on the hammer until you had (and I paraphrase a bit here) "at least 1 town" calling for it. Hence, you waited for3 peopleto call for the hammer.
This allows you to weasel yourself out of suspicion becausethey asked for it. Sans this confirmation, people would have basis to say "but we were just pressuring him, why the hell did you hammer on page 2", which would thus be bad for you. You saw the opportunity to hammer a townsperson with minimal suspicion being inflicted upon you, and you took it.aretown, you are henceforth urged to grow a pair.
However, when you try to remove self-accountability, that in and of itself is suspicious.
I am not saying that I am unaccountable. I am not saying that any of us who called for the hammer are any less accountable than you are. I am saying that your waiting until you had that safety net of 3 other people having as much accountability as you is suspicious.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Can you give me any arguments I have refuted, or at least point me to arguments I haven't, in your mind, refuted well enough?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Sure. I disagree with the point, but I see it.JDodge wrote:
The problem isn't that you're refuting arguments, nor that you're not refuting arguments well enough; the issue is that you're outrightSensFan wrote:Can you give me any arguments I have refuted, or at least point me to arguments I haven't, in your mind, refuted well enough?ignoring the point. The point is that you waited until you could spread out the accountability, and then defined your suspicion after-the-fact; you were attempting to make it look like you were just following the town's will when you were following your own.
I would have had no problem if you had just said "I thought he was scum, hence I hammered." I have a problem when you say "I hammered, I thought he was scum but I wanted to make sure at least town person agreed with me."
See my point there?
I don't know how I can better state thatI will never hammer anyone without 50% of the Town agreeing with the hammer. To do so is, in my opinion, saying my opinion is worth more than that of the majority.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Emphasises changed.JDodge wrote:
I don't know how I can better state that in that case,SensFan wrote:I don't know how I can better state that I willneverhammer anyone without 50% of the Town agreeing with the hammer. To do so is, in my opinion, saying my opinion is worth more than that of the majority.if you by some obscene stretch of the imagination you are town, you arestronglyadvised to grow a pair.
Are you implying I am never Town?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Right. But doesn't the fact that I do that regardless of my alignment in general mean that it has nothing to do with my alignment in this game?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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I am not expecting you to hold my hand, and I don't think the condescending attitude was necessary, either. I am just saying that I don't see why I am being called scummy for not wanting to take advantage of a situation and hammer without a majority.JDodge wrote:SensFan wrote:Right. But doesn't the fact that I do that regardless of my alignment in general mean that it has nothing to do with my alignment in this game?Then give examples of this behaviour in the past if you think it will clear you. I am not here to hold your hand and guide you through something that you should know by now.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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I would think that looking for scumbuddies is far less important in a game where hitting either Scum wins the game.Adel wrote:
Note that you didn't answer who you could see being scum with Guardian. How could you hammer in a game where two mislynches=lose for the town without having a good idea about who his scum mate was.SensFan wrote:
I most certainly can't see myself as being Scum with anyone, which is the point I was making.Adel wrote:So who can you see being scum with Guardian? Sensfan?
I just don't think you are ignorant enough not to see that placing someone at lynch-1 is a good way to pressure potential scum and his partner into doing something truly scummy.
Is there anything in particular you expect me to say to the several times you imply I'm not very good at this game?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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1. Uhhh...no. I never said that, or anything remotely like it.Adel wrote:other question you chose not to answer:
1. So all three people voting for Guardian called for a hammer, and you assumed that the one other person besides yourself who wasn't voting for Guardian was obviously scum with Guardian?
2. Did it occur to you that random votes don't count as legitimate suspicion?
3. How many times can we mislynch before the town loses?
2. Yes, it did. It also occured to me that all 3 people voting him, especially jdodge/gurgi were calling for a hammer.
3. Two. I assumed I didn't need to answer this, since it is obvious from looking at the set-up.
4. Right now, no one, since he is apparently Town. I also said in my last post that I didn't, and still don't, see why I should concern myself looking for a scumbuddy, when nailing 1 Scum is enough.
I hammered on page 2 because I did not like Guardian's theory, and all 3 other people voting him appeared to be supporting a lynch.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Adel, if you disagree with the hammer, shouldn't you also have issues with Gurgi and JDodge, who agree with the hammer?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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5. Because I strongly doubted the fact that you actually had some sort of secret scumtell on Guardian.Adel wrote:right before you posted
I postedSensFan wrote:Whatever.
Unvote, Vote: guardian
and then Jdodge postedAdel wrote:Jdodge, from your perspective, did Guardian commit his scumtell yet?
5. Why didn't you showJDodge wrote:
I honestly can barely remember what that tell was. Let me try and remember and I'll get back to you.Adel wrote:Jdodge, from your perspective, did Guardian commit his scumtell yet?anycuriousity about whether or not it applied to Guardian?
6. Why didn't you ask what it was?
7. Why didn't you ask if I thought it applied?
6. I assumed you would have been more explanitory and asked more than just JDodge, if it was serious and concerned others.
7. See above two answers. I didn't pay much attention to a vague guestion asked to someone other than me.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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That's bullshit. I am not sure about Gurgi, but JDodge has said several times that he would have hammered in my spot. If 3 people think Guardian should be hammered, why should I be more suspicious that the other two because I happened to not be voting him?Adel wrote:
actions speak louder than words: you hammered.SensFan wrote:Adel, if you disagree with the hammer, shouldn't you also have issues with Gurgi and JDodge, who agree with the hammer?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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Seeing as its a fairly long list that would take me a few minutes to link and everything, can I ask why you are asking me for this?Adel wrote:What games have you completed?
Please list, with links,allof them.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Alright. Give me a few minutes, though, since I have about 30 completed games.Adel wrote:
So I can read them and potentially build a meta case that either indites or clears you.SensFan wrote:
Seeing as its a fairly long list that would take me a few minutes to link and everything, can I ask why you are asking me for this?Adel wrote:What games have you completed?
Please list, with links,allof them.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Are you ignoring that JDodge has said, since the fact, that he would have hammered?Adel wrote:
dude, you hammered on page 2.SensFan wrote:
That's bullshit. I am not sure about Gurgi, but JDodge has said several times that he would have hammered in my spot. If 3 people think Guardian should be hammered, why should I be more suspicious that the other two because I happened to not be voting him?Adel wrote:
actions speak louder than words: you hammered.SensFan wrote:Adel, if you disagree with the hammer, shouldn't you also have issues with Gurgi and JDodge, who agree with the hammer?
How many games have you read that had left the random stagebefore]/b] page 3?
Do you know what the word "hyperbole" means?
And pretty mucheverygame I play leaves the random stage by page 3...(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Because I assumed you were equally suspicious of Guardian as the other two that had votes on him, who wanted a hammer.Adel wrote:
why did you chose to take this literally?Adel wrote:Scum Fight!
y don't juz lynch Guardian now, plz?
I am not liking how you seem not to comprehend that JDodge and Gurgi did very much want a hammer.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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This should be all of my completed games. It does not include games in which I was replaced.
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Newbie 514
Newbie 550
Newbie 585
Newbie 586
Newbie 608
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Mini 537
Mini 550
Mini 551
Mini 570
Mini 625
Mini Games (Town)
Mini 532
Mini 562
Mini 604
Mini 610
Mini 632
Mini 639
Mini 643
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Mafia 79(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Fair enough.Adel wrote:I am not ignoring what Jdodge has posted. I have a systematic approach towards mafia.
Which post do you interpret as LG calling for a hammer?
How many hammers have you seen before page 3?
Posts by Gurgi: 2, 4, 8
None, actually.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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Yes, I am very aware of the term.Adel wrote:Do you know what the word "hyperbole" means?
why did you chose to take this literally?Adel wrote:Scum Fight!
y don't juz lynch Guardian now, plz?
I guess maybe it was a mistake to take it seriously/literally, but I felt that you wouldn't say that sort of thing unless you meant it.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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I'm not trying to call myself a Newbie at all, you're the one that's been bringing that up. I don't see the difference, though, between three people who all would have hammered if they could, but only one of them being able to.Adel wrote:
Why should you be more suspicious? You actually hammered, and with almost 3k game posts you aren't a newbie who can get away with that as an excuse.SensFan wrote:
That's bullshit. I am not sure about Gurgi, but JDodge has said several times that he would have hammered in my spot. If 3 people think Guardian should be hammered, why should I be more suspicious that the other two because I happened to not be voting him?Adel wrote:
actions speak louder than words: you hammered.SensFan wrote:Adel, if you disagree with the hammer, shouldn't you also have issues with Gurgi and JDodge, who agree with the hammer?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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No, I don't. I would argue that this page 1 was much more informative and serious than the average page 1, though.Adel wrote:
Do you habitually take page 1 hyperbole literally?SensFan wrote:
Yes, I am very aware of the term.Adel wrote:Do you know what the word "hyperbole" means?
why did you chose to take this literally?Adel wrote:Scum Fight!
y don't juz lynch Guardian now, plz?
I guess maybe it was a mistake to take it seriously/literally, but I felt that you wouldn't say that sort of thing unless you meant it.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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That would take a while. Would a screenshot of my Watched Topics (which contains all games I completed without being replaced) be good enough?Adel wrote:
division of labor time: could someone look through his post history (via his profile page) and identify any games that he left out?SensFan wrote:This should be all of my completed games. It does not include games in which I was replaced.
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I don't believe I have ever seen JDodge play before.Adel wrote:Have you ever seen JDodge make early game posts that are full of hyperbole before?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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The fact there was a legitimate bandwagon on him, ESPECIALLY in Gurgi's case when I had JUST said I didn't think I was ready to hammer yet.Adel wrote:what was it about my
and LG's posts calling for a hammer that made you think they were both informative and serious?Scum Fight!
y don't juz lynch Guardian now, plz?
Feel free to quote LG to prove your point.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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Can I ask why you are so quick to assume I am lying about facts that are easily verifiable?Adel wrote:
could someone scan his games and check if JDodge was in any of them?SensFan wrote:
I don't believe I have ever seen JDodge play before.Adel wrote:Have you ever seen JDodge make early game posts that are full of hyperbole before?
Oh, and it looks (just by counting the WT threads and those I posted) that I might have accidentally ommited a game. I will look closer.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Mini 531 - Martyr Mafia was accidentally left off of my list. Kind of ironic in that its the one game I never posted in, although I think it might best demostrate my tendency to make quick, aggressive moves.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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I most certainly was not. Seems VERY odd you would make a mistake like that...Adel wrote:
as scum -- you were scum in that game.SensFan wrote:Mini 531 - Martyr Mafia was accidentally left off of my list. Kind of ironic in that its the one game I never posted in, although I think it might best demostrate my tendency to make quick, aggressive moves.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Sorry, I don't remember everyone in every game I've played in. And I don't like the "at least you left that on your list" dig, as it implies I purposefully left off Martyr Mafia, when it is probably the game that most resembles my play thus far, and I was Town.Adel wrote:what about Mini 537 http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6938 where you were scum and jdodge was town? At least you left that on your list. Jdodge's posts in that game include
on page 1Vote: ryan
QUICK, LET'S SEE HOW QUICKLY WE CAN GET HIM TO POST HIS ROLE PM
and spent every other post in the first 3 pages trolling the fuck our of ryan.
Contribute or die.FairyThatIsPunk wrote: *FairyThatIsPunk is pretending to be in a glass box*(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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100% so.Adel wrote:
Are you confident that you didn't leave any other games off of your list?SensFan wrote:Mini 531 - Martyr Mafia was accidentally left off of my list. Kind of ironic in that its the one game I never posted in, although I think it might best demostrate my tendency to make quick, aggressive moves.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Don't feel like quoting, but the posts leading up to the hammer where both Gurgi and JDodge asked for a hammer. There was also the fact several of the votes come for legitimate reasons, like his MOS idea.Adel wrote:
please respond to this post.Adel wrote:
please quote the posts that led you to believe that his bandwagon wasSensFan wrote:
The fact there was a legitimate bandwagon on him, ESPECIALLY in Gurgi's case when I had JUST said I didn't think I was ready to hammer yet.Adel wrote:what was it about my
and LG's posts calling for a hammer that made you think they were both informative and serious?Scum Fight!
y don't juz lynch Guardian now, plz?
Feel free to quote LG to prove your point.legitimate.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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Probably about half of them. I can take a quick look, though.Adel wrote:
also, from this list, can you point out the games where you attempted gambits?SensFan wrote:This should be all of my completed games. It does not include games in which I was replaced.
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Newbie Games (Town)
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Newbie 550
Newbie 585
Newbie 586
Newbie 608
Newbie 638
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Mini 537
Mini 550
Mini 551
Mini 570
Mini 625
Mini Games (Town)
Mini 532
Mini 562
Mini 604
Mini 610
Mini 632
Mini 639
Mini 643
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I think you missed the point, then. There were 2 Scum, 9 Town (including myself). If I bombed Town, I lost. I bombed N0.Adel wrote:check, I skimmed and thought your role was "suicide bomber" and it said that you won, that meant that you were scum-aligned. good job on vigging successfully.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
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If it was an honest mistake, it has no bearing on your alignment. For someone who has been implying that I am Scum lying about my game history, though, it just seems odd/ironic that you even looked at the game and didn't see my alignment in the first post.Adel wrote:
really? Just how odd does it seem? Do you think I am more likely to make a mistake like that when I am scum or town?SensFan wrote:
I most certainly was not. Seems VERY odd you would make a mistake like that...Adel wrote:
as scum -- you were scum in that game.SensFan wrote:Mini 531 - Martyr Mafia was accidentally left off of my list. Kind of ironic in that its the one game I never posted in, although I think it might best demostrate my tendency to make quick, aggressive moves.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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SensFan wrote:This should be all of my completed games. It does not include games in which I was replaced.
Newbie Games (Scum)
Newbie 613 - Gambited. I left the only comfirmed Innocent alive going into endgame.
Newbie 669 - No real gambit here.
Newbie Games (Town)
Newbie 514 - No gambit
Newbie 550 - Lied in my first post of the game to get a read on people
Newbie 585 - Pulled same gambit as above
Newbie 586 - No gambit
Newbie 608 - No gambit
Newbie 638 - No gambit
Mini Games (Scum)
Mini 537 - Hardly played
Mini 550 - No gambit
Mini 551 - Ridiculous gambit, claimed PR-crippled Cop.
Mini 570 - No gambit
Mini 625 - No gambit
Mini Games (Town)
Mini 532 - No gambit
Mini 562 - Gambit of sorts, proxied my vote to start the game
Mini 604 - No gambit, although this game was rather broken due to luck
Mini 610 - Replaced in, no gambit
Mini 632 - No gambit, unless you consider crumbing the fuck out of a role gambitting. this game was also broken due to luck and a scum that outed his buddy after being lynched.
Mini 639 - Replaced in, barely played. No gambit.
Mini 643 - Barely played, no gambit.
Large Games (Scum)
Realistic Mafia - No real gambit, I guess. This game seemed broken in favour of the Scum, though.
ehobanohar - Barely played, no gambit (not that the set-up really allows any)
Mafia 79 - Replaced in, no gambit.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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I was shocked that anyone who has on my case so much for missing a single game out of 24, and forgetting about a player in a game almost a year ago, would mistake my alignment after checking the front post of a game I linked.Adel wrote:
I think it is scummy how you placed emphasis on "VERY".SensFan wrote:
If it was an honest mistake, it has no bearing on your alignment. For someone who has been implying that I am Scum lying about my game history, though, it just seems odd/ironic that you even looked at the game and didn't see my alignment in the first post.Adel wrote:
really? Just how odd does it seem? Do you think I am more likely to make a mistake like that when I am scum or town?SensFan wrote:
I most certainly was not. Seems VERY odd you would make a mistake like that...Adel wrote:
as scum -- you were scum in that game.SensFan wrote:Mini 531 - Martyr Mafia was accidentally left off of my list. Kind of ironic in that its the one game I never posted in, although I think it might best demostrate my tendency to make quick, aggressive moves.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record