The color red is the color of anger, already assigning a motive to you for killing Totally Awesom Dude. Obvscum.
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Unvote: SnowBunny
We're out of the RVS now.
Anyways, here's a question to everyone who voted charter: Why did you vote for him? I still have no idea why his lynching was turned into a policy lynch based solely on his playing style.
Chibo, why did you seem so ready to vote purely for Chamber's replacement? It seemed to me like you were trying to use the momentum of the bandwagon against him to carry the lynch to his replacement... If this isn't true, what pro-town motives did you have for viewing an "guilty until proven innocent" playstyle? How does that help the town at all?
Manzcar, why was defending Chamber scummy? Defending a player who has come under fire and has a bandwagon smashing into them is normally a pro-town action, for it prolongs the lynch and gives more discussion to the town.
Actual reads to come tomorrow, but I just got back from camp and Im too sleepy to post much else."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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My opinion on the bandwagon on semioldguy:
While I like the bandwagon in terms of the pressure it's giving, I can't say I'm a big fan of where the bandwagon's going. So far, the bandwagon on SoG has made everyone focus on his scumminess, leaving the rest of us in the dark. While I see mentions of what seems to be the general opinion right about now, I don't see it being a valid enough reason to put him at L-2, or even a valid enough reason to put my vote on him just yet.
The first vote he places on Zazie looks like a pressure to get him to be active, rather than an attempt to get a lynch. And as for his supposed "hypocrisy"... I view that as an attempt to avoid saying that it's simply a pressure vote; after all, that would entirely remove its potentcy. Notice how he hints this with the phrase "I am a pressure vote guy though...".
Also, I've been a big fan of semioldguy's aggressiveness; let's not forget who brought us out of the RVS, shall we? I'm getting a pro-town read from him simply because he doesn't seem afraid to mention what looks scummy, nor does he seem to tunnel on anyone; when he sees something scummy, he questions it.
As for who I actually find suspicious at this moment, that award falls to Budja. I'm not a big fan of his complete lack of questioning and scumhunting, and his little counting fiasco seemed to me like an attempt to push the Chamber bandwagon over the edge.
And because Im a big fan of encouragement, here's aVote: Budjato help the explanations come faster."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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That was just the very explanation I was looking for.
Unvote: Budja. Vote: Josh Lyman
That vote will not move until I see five posts from him.
That is a good point, I hadn't thought of that. However, it doesn't explain why semioldguy is still voting for Zazie and in fact pushing for his lynch for no good reason.
It seems to me that you have the two confused. SoG may still be voting for Zazie, but he definitely isn't fighting for the lynch. Right now, he seems to be defending himself, which I think he's doing a pretty good job of.
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Josh Lyman wrote:Hey, Nachomamma, that's one.
This is two.
Three more to go.
Care to make a more realistic case against me?
Sure.
You're being a wee bit overdefensive based on a single vote on you, and you're also assuming I'm making a case on you (in case you haven't gotten this yet, I'm not). I was simply voting to get you to give us more content.
Kirbyoshi wrote:Nacho, your "case" on Josh is pretty hypocritical. You're saying he hasn't posted, yet the only one who's posted less than you is Snow. Please, if you're going to vote for someone, make sure you're not committing the fault you accuse them of. Thank you.Again, where have I been making a case? I just voted, and said the vote wouldn't move until I made five posts. I didn't make a case or accuse of a fault. It just seemed I hadn't seen him post in a while...
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That is a good point, I hadn't thought of that. However, it doesn't explain why semioldguy is still voting for Zazie and in fact pushing for his lynch for no good reason.
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Please elaborate on the part in which you say that that was the explanation you were looking for.
Why Josh and not somebody else?
SoG is going for my lynch.
I wanted an explanation for his action. An explanation is what I got.
Why Josh? I looked through and saw a minimal amount of content from Josh. Posts? Sure. Content? No.
And how do you know SoG is going for your lynch? You aren’t psychic, are you?
ZazieR wrote:Dear SoG,
Can you please help me? When I thought I found the three scum in you, Pome and Manz, Nacho suddenly decided to act as a possible buddy of yours. Whom of the three is not your buddy?
Please respond asap
Zaz
You mind explaining why I'm acting as a scum buddy to SoG? Because I don't agree with a bandwagon that doesn't have a whole lot of thought put into it?
@SoG: Why are you voting for Pome when it seems like Zaz is your #1 suspect?
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Not to me.
-You do tunnel
-You state that you only point out the scummy things of your top 2 suspects.
Making the last two statements invalid.
Surely you're not serious. You have been focused on ONE suspect this entire game, and you're saying someone else is tunneling? Forgive me if I'm missing something here, but the only scummy thing you actually pursued came from SoG.
Secondly, I fail how to see how the second bullet point is scummy. Your two major subjects are the two people who you have the most information on. So, in focusing on the two scummiest, you get a lot better read on someone, as opposed to flying all over the place and pouncing on scummy things about everyone. It doesn't mean your not noting it, but it does mean your keeping silent about it.
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Unvoteas promised. But I still want more content.
@Snow Bunny:
1) To me, vote patterns (how much you vote) are null-tells. You can vote for one person because you find them the scummiest, or you can vote for multiple because you believe in pressure voting.
2) Did you read my bit on SoG's hypocrisy? If so, what do you think about it?
3) Not necessarily stretching. Pointing FoSes without votes down suggests a fear to have to explain a vote.
4) Self-preservation isn't scummy either. If you are a townie and are trying to avoid being lynched, defending yourself and starting a bandwagon against someone else is preventing a mislynch, which is pro-town."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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No, that hammer was from you. And it was completely uncalled for. We just got a new replacement; thus, a new viewpoint on the SoG case. At least wait for the replacement to express his views before hammering :/
MOD: Does her vote count even though it lacked color?
I hope for the town's sake it doesn't. Because that was a very anti-townish thing you just did there, and I'd rather lynch you and hit a scum the first day instead of SoG.
Unvote,Vote: Snow_Bunny
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Alright, I have to disagree with you there. Defending against a weak case is not a scumtell IMO. Townies defend against weak cases so they can shut down stupid bandwagons (like the one on chamber or SoG, for example) before they even begin, or to challenge it (in my opinion, true townies challenge EVERYTHING). Scum defend against said weak cases to protect their partner(s). In other words, I think that it's a nulltell because both sides have equal motive for doing so.Shanba wrote:
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Budja steps in for Josh_Lyman and that, to me, is fairly telling. In my experience, scum are far more likely to step in for each other when the case is weak (which it is) than if they think it's strong: not pointa rguing with the inevitable, but there is ample incentive to try and move lowgrade pressure away from a scumbuddy, since lowgrade can pretty quickly become high grade and then can escalate out of control.
Chibosempai, budja, josh. Also a little bit of pome, nachomamma in the mix for gut reasons I can't really articulate.Vote: ChiboSempai
As for you gut reasons you can't articulate, why did you mention those? Mentioning suspicions without much merit or reason only give scum enough time to read the thread for things to frame you for...-
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My question about the explanation from Budja, was mainly due to: "That was just the very explanationI was looking for."
Please elaborate on that.
Don't like your reason for voting Josh. You stated that he has posts, but no content. What do you ask from him: 5 posts. The right use of words would have been that you wouldn't move your vote until you would see content from him. Explain the choice of words you've used.
Also, I don't like how you're going for pressure votes.
Budja showed some good posts where it was shown that SoG was fighting for my lynch.
Nacho wrote:ZazieR wrote:Dear SoG,
Can you please help me? When I thought I found the three scum in you, Pome and Manz, Nacho suddenly decided to act as a possible buddy of yours. Whom of the three is not your buddy?
Please respond asap
Zaz
You mind explaining why I'm acting as a scum buddy to SoG? Because I don't agree with a bandwagon that doesn't have a whole lot of thought put into it?Looking at the opinion given at Post 257:[/quote]
-You discuss his first vote against me. First of all, you're using your own impression of it. Eventhough SoG had already stated that it was for pressure.
Second, his second vote was the worst vote and you leave that one completely out of your analysis. And I ask once again, why is that?
-The other thing is shown in the paragraph about SoG's aggressiveness. Because as SoG stated before, he only focuses on his top two suspects or one and even then, he was mainly focusing on me at that time. Making the things you said there, untrue.
I was looking for an explanation. His explanation made sense to me. I dropped it. I wasn't looking for anything specific, if that's what you were thinking.
I said 5 posts because I wanted to see how he would respond. If he spammed 5 posts, then I'd know he was in a rush to get the votes off me. If he made 5 content-filled posts, I'd view him as more pro-town. If he make 5 semi-spammy posts, I'd count that as a point against him. In giving him more freedom in how to respond, I gain more information.
Why did I leave SoG's second vote out of my analysis... Because I didn't notice it, maybe? I am human, y'know.
SoG was mainly focusing on you, you were mainly focusing on him. Congratulations, we're back to square one. Oh, and you mentioned other people every now and then, but nothing even kind of significant.-
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Why did I respond before SoG did? Because I saw something that I didn't agree with, so I responded to it. Missed that before in your wave of posts."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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ZazieR wrote:Nachomamma8 wrote:Unvoteas promised. But I still want more content.
@Snow Bunny:
1) To me, vote patterns (how much you vote) are null-tells. You can vote for one person because you find them the scummiest, or you can vote for multiple because you believe in pressure voting.
2) Did you read my bit on SoG's hypocrisy? If so, what do you think about it?
3) Not necessarily stretching. Pointing FoSes without votes down suggests a fear to have to explain a vote.
4) Self-preservation isn't scummy either. If you are a townie and are trying to avoid being lynched, defending yourself and starting a bandwagon against someone else is preventing a mislynch, which is pro-town.You voted Josh for more content, but here you unote him, eventhough you want more content? Yep, needs some explanations.
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So you would recommend to the town to lynch you immediately if Shanba turns up pro-town, right? If not, why not. Being that confident in scum or not-scum suggests something more than just a vanilla townie.
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Shanba wrote:Nachomamma8 wrote:
So you would recommend to the town to lynch you immediately if Shanba turns up pro-town, right? If not, why not. Being that confident in scum or not-scum suggests something more than just a vanilla townie.
Actually, I disagree with this. See Glork's play for example. Players often deliberately overstate their degree of confidence. Plus, some people do just become really convinced they're right.
I forbid any automatic lynching of sempai if I get lynched.
It was a question and not a statement. I was trying to point out how overconfident he was being, I wasn't actually recommending for an automatic lynch tomorrow.-
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Why do you think that chibo's telling the truth? And that was meant to imply scum, not power role...elvis_knits wrote:ChiboSempai wrote:Nachomamma8 wrote:
So you would recommend to the town to lynch you immediately if Shanba turns up pro-town, right? If not, why not. Being that confident in scum or not-scum suggests something more than just a vanilla townie.
Gotta trust in how you play the game right? Sure, I'm game. Go for it. I'm just a vanilla townie but I'm confident that I've nailed a scum player here.
I think chibo is telling the truth.
However, please don't claim like this in the future.
I know nacho sort of goaded you into it, but it's not usually so good for the town to claim when you're not being run up to a lynch. It helps scum find power roles if they can narrow the field.
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Nachomamma8 wrote:elvis_knits wrote:ChiboSempai wrote:Nachomamma8 wrote:
So you would recommend to the town to lynch you immediately if Shanba turns up pro-town, right? If not, why not. Being that confident in scum or not-scum suggests something more than just a vanilla townie.
Gotta trust in how you play the game right? Sure, I'm game. Go for it. I'm just a vanilla townie but I'm confident that I've nailed a scum player here.
I think chibo is telling the truth.
However, please don't claim like this in the future.
I know nacho sort of goaded you into it, but it's not usually so good for the town to claim when you're not being run up to a lynch. It helps scum find power roles if they can narrow the field.
BTW, slight role-fishing tingles from nacho.Why do you think that chibo's telling the truth? And that was meant to imply scum, not power role...-
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Kirbyoshi wrote:
Chibo and Nacho have both raised on my scumdar recently, because of the recent exchange. Nacho was pretty wrong to rolefish there (and yes, that's what "more than vanilla" means imo), but Chibo should have called him on it immediately, rather than broadcasting to everyone, "I'M VANILLA GUYSSSSSSS!" Other than that, Chibo just seems like a new player who gets his words twisted around himself sometimes. Automatically adding some tact and wisdom to his posts would greatly benefit townI don't believe I was rolefishing because I didn't ask for a claim, nor did I infer something was needed. If I was rolefishing, then what was I rolefishing for? A cop with a guilty result or scum, maybe, but that's not really that scummy to me. Secondly, I was pointing out a fact. Copious amounts of confidence suggest knowledge that a vanilla townie shouldn't have. Am I wrong in saying this?-
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No. The cop could be insane, there could be far too many scum for it to matter... Now, in a open game setup (confirmed sanity) with less than 15 players, then I'd say yes, every time. Otherwise, it's basically personal discretion."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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ZazieR wrote:Nachomamma8 wrote:I said 5 posts because I wanted to see how he would respond. If he spammed 5 posts, then I'd know he was in a rush to get the votes off me. If he made 5 content-filled posts, I'd view him as more pro-town. If he make 5 semi-spammy posts, I'd count that as a point against him. In giving him more freedom in how to respond, I gain more information.
Why did I leave SoG's second vote out of my analysis... Because I didn't notice it, maybe? I am human, y'know.
SoG was mainly focusing on you, you were mainly focusing on him. Congratulations, we're back to square one. Oh, and you mentioned other people every now and then, but nothing even kind of significant.In response to the bit about Josh, you still wanted more content from Josh when you unvoted. Which you haven't explained yet why you did that.
You missed the second vote? In Post 256, I give two links to the posts where SoG voted me. In Post 257, you state that SoG'sfirstvote was possibly a pressure vote. Explanation?
Of course I mentioned SoG the most in my posts. He was my top suspect? However, I did point most (If not everything) out that struck me as scummy from other players.
Can't say why that post activated my gut. It just didI asked for more posts becausecontent cannot be measured. Asking for more contents is subjective "Hey, I DID have more content this time", while asking for a set number of posts is objective "Nope, that was 4 posts, not five." I moved the vote because he gave me what I asked for, I told him I still wanted more content so he knew I had my eye on him. Is that a good enough explanation for you?
And where was my analysis again? I'm not a player that worries on every single thing everyone else says; when I search for a reason to vote to lynch someone, I find a good reason. Any person can look scummy if you try hard enough to make him to, and being hung up on one or two words in a person's post is the perfect way to. And you commenting other player's scumminess is NOTHING if you don't follow up with it.
Then why not bring it up later, when you've found the reason of your gut feeling? You're basically screaming at the scum "HEY! Watch out, I might be getting a bit suspicious of you..." or "By the way, I have my suspicions on so-and-so but can't explain them... Mind doing the hard work for me?". Bringing up gut feelings is a useless move as town unless you have something behind them.-
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ZazieR wrote:Nachomamma8 wrote:ZazieR wrote:Nachomamma8 wrote:Unvoteas promised. But I still want more content.
@Snow Bunny:
1) To me, vote patterns (how much you vote) are null-tells. You can vote for one person because you find them the scummiest, or you can vote for multiple because you believe in pressure voting.
2) Did you read my bit on SoG's hypocrisy? If so, what do you think about it?
3) Not necessarily stretching. Pointing FoSes without votes down suggests a fear to have to explain a vote.
4) Self-preservation isn't scummy either. If you are a townie and are trying to avoid being lynched, defending yourself and starting a bandwagon against someone else is preventing a mislynch, which is pro-town.You voted Josh for more content, but here you unote him, eventhough you want more content? Yep, needs some explanations.
And why did you respond before SoG did?But did I ask for posts or content? Hmm...You asked for postsExactly... >.>
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Why aren't you a fan of lynching replacements? Are they auto-town because their predecessors replaced out?
Also, why is Shanba the most scummy, and why does being a replacement auto-clear her?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Because, as of now, no one seems scummy enough to warrant my vote. Budja is my top subject, but he hasn't even replaced in yet. And before you ask why I find him scummy, it's because he was scumhunting less than everyone else in the game, and when he voted, it was always after someone else had voted for that same person, and he never actually added anything to the cases other people made, so it seemed to me like he was just trying to skate along..."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Shanba, honestly, you could warp that no matter what words I used in that situation. I used an objective marker so I could quite literally force him to post more; in asking for more content, I could've guaranteed I would have been ignored. I'm a bit confused as to why this is so scummy, but... meh."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Shanba wrote:Nachomamma8 wrote:Shanba, honestly, you could warp that no matter what words I used in that situation. I used an objective marker so I could quite literally force him to post more; in asking for more content, I could've guaranteed I would have been ignored. I'm a bit confused as to why this is so scummy, but... meh.It's not the words you used, as such. It's that you were trying to get him to do something (i.e. post content) but despite the fact he didn't do it, you unvoted. And this is because you put down such rigid criteria. I reckon I might be getting upset over nothing, but such inconsistencies always draw my attention: I still don't understandwhyyou would use objective criteria at all in such a context.Well then, put yourself in my position. What would you have said if you wanted more content, and when would you have unvoted?-
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Kirbyoshi wrote:Wow, never thought I'd say this, but because of the above post, Shanba's actually starting to look more pro-town. He still has yet to explain away Snow's blunder(s), but on the 545, he basically took the words right out of my mouth, and spat them out a different color Still waiting on Yankee though...with a name like that, he's gonna have to do alot to prove himself town (kidding).
I'd have to agree witth you here. And personally, I can't hold Shanba to Snow's mistakes because we have to keep in mind that they are two different people, and Shanba can only guess why Snow did what she did...
ChiboSempai wrote:Kirbyoshi wrote:Remember that someone with a lot of suspicion cast on them has no choice but to carefully act as pro town as possible. Surely everyone is here to act pro town and not have suspicion, but it seems kind of odd that his post came off to you as exactly what you would expect a townie to say (since you said it's the same as you were about to say) when instead of looking at all of his posts in general and making that assumption. I suppose he's doing a good job then of attempting to rid the suspicion on him.
However... Does that last post take away all of the scummy actions of SB? Does that post take away any doubt that was on him earlier in the game? Remember that he's forced to play 100% like a townie (or he will get lynched) at this point, and him or SB might not have been so careful earlier hence the slip ups. You can't erase the past posts by them...Chibo, if I'm not mistaken, you're voting someone for saying exactly what a townie would say? You're completely and totally tunneling, and due to Shanba's townie actions as of late, it's starting to seem a bit scummy that you haven't changed your mind, not even a little.
Vote: ChiboSempai
Who are your top five suspects as of late? Why?
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I think the case against me is overblown. I think ChiboSempai has now descended into full on tunnel mode is falling prey to confirmation bias (notably when he accused me of slipping: elvis_knits has already explained how that could never possibly be scummy.) I had begun to think we were moving on but it seems not: if you're still going to prosecute the case against me, people, then I want a response to some of my defences.
<snip>Chibo's tunneling seems to me like him desperately to push the bandwagon over the cliff and get you lynched. He's not listening to any reasoning at all, and he's just starting to bother me. His logic makes no sense, and I can't believe he just tried to warp an analysis into a scumtell. An analysis prevents a player from abstaining their opinions on something, and it gives townies insight into other people's play. And if she's purposely excluding information on someone, it's not hard to figure out. Chibo, read the Too Townie fallacy, and stop playing so scummy."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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ZazieR wrote:Nachomamma8 wrote:And where was my analysis again? I'm not a player that worries on every single thing everyone else says; when I search for a reason to vote to lynch someone, I find a good reason. Any person can look scummy if you try hard enough to make him to, and being hung up on one or two words in a person's post is the perfect way to.And you commenting other player's scumminess is NOTHING if you don't follow up with it.
Then why not bring it up later, when you've found the reason of your gut feeling? You're basically screaming at the scum "HEY! Watch out, I might be getting a bit suspicious of you..." or "By the way, I have my suspicions on so-and-so but can't explain them... Mind doing the hard work for me?". Bringing up gut feelings is a useless move as town unless you have something behind them.If the bolded is aimed at me, stop the lies again. Do I need to give examples where I thought somebody was scummy, pointed out why and kept questioning his/her responses till I got what I wanted?
As for the second paragraph, disagreed.Don't be so paranoid.
Also, why do you disagree? For the hell of it?
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ZazieR wrote:Nachomamma8 wrote:ZazieR wrote:Nachomamma8 wrote:ZazieR wrote:Nachomamma8 wrote:Unvoteas promised. But I still want more content.
@Snow Bunny:
1) To me, vote patterns (how much you vote) are null-tells. You can vote for one person because you find them the scummiest, or you can vote for multiple because you believe in pressure voting.
2) Did you read my bit on SoG's hypocrisy? If so, what do you think about it?
3) Not necessarily stretching. Pointing FoSes without votes down suggests a fear to have to explain a vote.
4) Self-preservation isn't scummy either. If you are a townie and are trying to avoid being lynched, defending yourself and starting a bandwagon against someone else is preventing a mislynch, which is pro-town.You voted Josh for more content, but here you unote him, eventhough you want more content? Yep, needs some explanations.
And why did you respond before SoG did?But did I ask for posts or content? Hmm...You asked for postsExactly... >.>
I asked for posts, he gave me posts. So I kept my word...Nacho wrote:Why Josh? I looked through and saw a minimal amount of content from Josh. Posts? Sure. Content? NoAnother game of 'Spot the Contradiction'. Who will win after ZazieR?Announcer (muttering): Mhm. Mhm. Oh, dear. (turning back to the audience) It seems ZazieR was disqualified from 'Spot the Contridiction because he is utterly, utterly wrong. We apologize for the misunderstanding, people. Here is Nachomamma to explain why this is so.
Nachomamma: Thank you. ZazieR is wrong because the very contridiction he is trying to point out doesn't exist. Ouch. I have already explained why I asked for an objective measure (posts) instead of what I truly wanted, a subjective measure (content). Even if you disagree with me, please don't make me explain the same thing more than five times. Thank you, and goodnight.-
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ZazieR wrote:Nachomamma8 wrote:Because, as of now, no one seems scummy enough to warrant my vote. Budja is my top subject, but he hasn't even replaced in yet. And before you ask why I find him scummy, it's because he was scumhunting less than everyone else in the game, and when he voted, it was always after someone else had voted for that same person, and he never actually added anything to the cases other people made, so it seemed to me like he was just trying to skate along...Then why didn't you vote him earlier?
Also, this was the reason why you voted him the first time, yet his explanation was worth an unvote. What changed?Because I was fairly inactive and didn't do anything. It changed because that explanation can't extend over a long period of time; it was more an excuse for the moment rather than for an entire game.-
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ZazieR wrote:Nachomamma8 wrote:ZazieR wrote:Nachomamma8 wrote:And where was my analysis again? I'm not a player that worries on every single thing everyone else says; when I search for a reason to vote to lynch someone, I find a good reason. Any person can look scummy if you try hard enough to make him to, and being hung up on one or two words in a person's post is the perfect way to.And you commenting other player's scumminess is NOTHING if you don't follow up with it.
Then why not bring it up later, when you've found the reason of your gut feeling? You're basically screaming at the scum "HEY! Watch out, I might be getting a bit suspicious of you..." or "By the way, I have my suspicions on so-and-so but can't explain them... Mind doing the hard work for me?". Bringing up gut feelings is a useless move as town unless you have something behind them.If the bolded is aimed at me, stop the lies again. Do I need to give examples where I thought somebody was scummy, pointed out why and kept questioning his/her responses till I got what I wanted?
As for the second paragraph, disagreed.Don't be so paranoid.
Also, why do you disagree? For the hell of it?
Nope, I have my reason. No point in telling as it would lose its purpose due to that.
If it wasn't aimed at me, then what was the point of the bolded?Fair enough. And the point of the was a declaration to some of the less aggressive of the players in this game.-
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ZazieR wrote:Nachomamma8 wrote:Will look at it some other time.
But do you agree with what Yankee said about the way you play this game and in the game you linked and why?Definitely agree. I paid more attention to that game than this one, and overall, my play is just worse in this game.-
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I asked for posts because posts are measurable. I wanted content because content is good. I didn't ask for content because content is immeasurable, and I didn't want posts without content because they're useless.ZazieR wrote:Post 633 (Not a fan of quote pyramids)
Anyway, yes, there is. You state that you asked for posts, so that it would lead to more content. But in the second quote, you state that you see posts, but no content (before Josh gave the (almost) five posts).-
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Shanba wrote:Nachomamma8 wrote:
I asked for posts because posts are measurable. I wanted content because content is good. I didn't ask for content because content is immeasurable, and I didn't want posts without content because they're useless.ZazieR wrote:Post 633 (Not a fan of quote pyramids)
Anyway, yes, there is. You state that you asked for posts, so that it would lead to more content. But in the second quote, you state that you see posts, but no content (before Josh gave the (almost) five posts).By asking for posts rather than content, don't you risk getting posts without content?
Mmf.
There's a lot of irrelevant stuff from zazie this time. Like asking pome what a "sitting" is. Look it up in a dictionary. I don't really like this style, it just clogs my brain trying to process it all.
I'll check Nacho's link to see if the meta holds, but I'm still in favour of lynching Yankee.But by asking for content rather than posts, I risk getting nothing. I'd rather see that he bullshits his way through five posts because it shows that he's trying to get the vote off him in a hurry; otherwise, he could've ignored me and posted nothing, which wouldn't have drawn any suspicion to him whatsoever.-
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Shanba wrote:Yet if he had just bullshitted 5 posts off in a hurry, would you have lifted your vote since he had fulfilled your condition? If not, why did you lift your vote when he hadn't given enough content by your own admission?He did, and I did. He fulfilled the condition I set before him, so I removed my vote. I was planning on pressing the matter, but it slipped my mind and he was replaced by someone who gave us adequate content.-
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POP QUIZ: When does the deadline end?
Answer: In two days. Closest person to lynch is Shanba at 4 votes, then Yankee at 2. Take's 6 to kill...
Unvote, Vote: ChiboSempai
I want him to die because he's too confident to be scum.
I wouldn't mind Pome dying because EK's reasons are sound.
I wouldn''t mind Shanba dying because that's the only lynch I could honestly see us putting into action today."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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ZazieR wrote:Nachomamma8 wrote:POP QUIZ: When does the deadline end?
Answer: In two days. Closest person to lynch is Shanba at 4 votes, then Yankee at 2. Take's 6 to kill...
Unvote, Vote: ChiboSempai
I want him to die because he's too confident to be scum.
I wouldn't mind Pome dying because EK's reasons are sound.
I wouldn''t mind Shanba dying because that's the only lynch I could honestly see us putting into action today.Regarding Pome, EK stated she thinks Pome is acting townier. So what's up with what you said?
Also, with this said, I prefer lynching Pome. I'll only switch at deadline if needed.Pome hasn't been acting townier, despite what EK said. The points EK brought up against Pome and the behaviors she described haven't ceased to happen.-
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You made a mistake. Chibo was overaggressive, and his incessant tunneling of Shanba was a bit... put-offish. He seemed DAMN sure of Shanba's guilt, and I want to know what went wrong."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Whose side do you find yourself closer to agreeing with? Mine, or his?
And off topic, have you ever been an SK before, and if you have, could you link me to the game? I just want to see how you handled that game XD"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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That's bullshit, and you know that as well as I do. You were TUNNELING on Shanba all day yesterday. I know you weren't the only one to vote Shanba, but you definitely didn't make a tiny little effort to pursue anyone else, at all. You even said that Snow_Bunny's replacement would be guilty until proven innocent.
You bring up that I put suspicion on you yesterday. That's because I was suspicious of you tunneling yesterday, and now I'm suspicious of you tunneling to get a mislynch today. Now, give me the explanation I asked for earlier, and tell me how you believe your actions were pro-town."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I'd recommend not reading off into the nightkill too much. It's scum playground for WIFOM and that kinda thing. Any other suspects? I'd really like to hear from Greendude's replacement, once he gets here."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I asked you for a simple explanation. Why aren't you giving me one? Why are you dodging my request?
And now, let me make something clear that you aren't understanding. At this moment, I don't care who voted for Shanba; a lot of people did. I care why YOU voted for Shanba, okay? Try to reiterate your case against him. You don't have to make it long, just make one.
Yesterday, you were POSITIVE he was scum. Everyone else voting for him wasn't so sure, now were they? So far, you have given me nothing as to why Shanba's case was so goddamn irrefutable. Before, you even said that if Shanba was town, then we could lynch you... Why shouldn't we make you follow through on your promise?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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