Mini 852- Crayola Catastrophe Game Over (Post 1158)

[ZazieR]

Hi, SoG

SoG

, why nothing against Post 36?

Don't we love unanswered questions ?
State why you didn't respond to them,

SoG

after answering them

[ZazieR]

For

Pome

:

As you can see, I don't have very many reads, but I'm doing this because I think it's important to contribute.

Noticed that. One scum read, two you think are town and all the others come basically down as neutral. So why did you make a list, instead of focusing your post mainly on the player you think is scummy?

Secondly, you write at SoG a bit that you don't think it's scummy to be not voting. Yet, it's SocioPath who attacks Manzcar for something like this on this page. Why didn't you point this out at SocioPath, especially when you said that you like his views?

Also, Zaz= he/him

[Pomegranate]

For

Pome

:

As you can see, I don't have very many reads, but I'm doing this because I think it's important to contribute.

Noticed that. One scum read, two you think are town and all the others come basically down as neutral. So why did you make a list, instead of focusing your post mainly on the player you think is scummy?

Secondly, you write at SoG a bit that you don't think it's scummy to be not voting. Yet, it's SocioPath who attacks Manzcar for something like this on this page. Why didn't you point this out at SocioPath, especially when you said that you like his views?

Also, Zaz= he/him

Thanks, but I probably won't be able to answer them until Wednesday, as will be V/LA later today and tomorrow. I'm sorry for the inconvenience, and will answer it then.

[Kirbyoshi]

Budja:

Ok, maybe there was no buildup, but even if there wasn't, that makes it even more scummy. Point is, SOG had no reason to vote Zazie, and then just came in, did it, and left. No explanation, no leading into it in the post, nothing; just a vote.

[SocioPath]

Point is, SOG had no reason to vote Zazie, and then just came in, did it, and left. No explanation, no leading into it in the post, nothing; just a vote.

Well according to some, cases are scummy.

[ChiboSempai]

which post # did SoG vote for zazie?

[ZazieR]

He voted twice for me.
Here and here (Posts 127 and 173)

[Nachomamma8]

My opinion on the bandwagon on semioldguy:

While I like the bandwagon in terms of the pressure it's giving, I can't say I'm a big fan of where the bandwagon's going. So far, the bandwagon on SoG has made everyone focus on his scumminess, leaving the rest of us in the dark. While I see mentions of what seems to be the general opinion right about now, I don't see it being a valid enough reason to put him at L-2, or even a valid enough reason to put my vote on him just yet.

The first vote he places on Zazie looks like a pressure to get him to be active, rather than an attempt to get a lynch. And as for his supposed "hypocrisy"... I view that as an attempt to avoid saying that it's simply a pressure vote; after all, that would entirely remove its potentcy. Notice how he hints this with the phrase "I am a pressure vote guy though...".

Also, I've been a big fan of semioldguy's aggressiveness; let's not forget who brought us out of the RVS, shall we? I'm getting a pro-town read from him simply because he doesn't seem afraid to mention what looks scummy, nor does he seem to tunnel on anyone; when he sees something scummy, he questions it.

As for who I actually find suspicious at this moment, that award falls to Budja. I'm not a big fan of his complete lack of questioning and scumhunting, and his little counting fiasco seemed to me like an attempt to push the Chamber bandwagon over the edge.

And because Im a big fan of encouragement, here's a

Vote: Budja

to help the explanations come faster.

[Budja]

What kind of explanation are you expecting?
I simply miscounted with the chamber votes, besides I was attempting to stop a possible lynch at least for the moment. If you see that as scummy, there not much I can do about it.
My lack of content, well I'll try to up that. I haven't got a great feel for this game yet.

Ok, maybe there was no buildup, but even if there wasn't, that makes it even more scummy.

Yes it does. That was my point

The first vote he places on Zazie looks like a pressure to get him to be active, rather than an attempt to get a lynch. And as for his supposed "hypocrisy"... I view that as an attempt to avoid saying that it's simply a pressure vote; after all, that would entirely remove its potentcy. Notice how he hints this with the phrase "I am a pressure vote guy though...".

That is a good point, I hadn't thought of that. However, it doesn't explain why semioldguy is still voting for Zazie and in fact pushing for his lynch for no good reason.

[Nachomamma8]

That was just the very explanation I was looking for.

Unvote: Budja. Vote: Josh Lyman

That vote will not move until I see five posts from him.

That is a good point, I hadn't thought of that. However, it doesn't explain why semioldguy is still voting for Zazie and in fact pushing for his lynch for no good reason.

It seems to me that you have the two confused. SoG may still be voting for Zazie, but he definitely isn't fighting for the lynch. Right now, he seems to be defending himself, which I think he's doing a pretty good job of.

[Budja]

If I am lynched the rest of the town should force you to address every single self reminder you've been noting in the thread. In fact, you should probably address them all now so we can lynch you and save the town from my mislynch.

See this post ^ . SOG hasn't been strongly fighting for the lynch, but he

is

pushing it.

[Josh Lyman]

@Josh

What I don't like about your semi-random vote is:
-It was based upon lurking, while the game had started that day.
-You were the 11th player to post. Only Kirby (The one you voted based upon 'lurking') came after you.

Okay, fine. Yes, it was based on lurking,

on the first day.

What is it about 'jokevote' that you don't get? And, yes, everybody else had posted; that's why I singled out Kirby

for not posting.

Can you say "overanalyzing?" I knew you could.

*Except ZazieR, but I need to stay far, far away from the crazy right now.

Then what are you calling me here?

Sorry, I forgot I had written that. I was frustrated at the time with all your 'reminders.'

[Josh Lyman]

Hey, Nachomamma, that's one.

This is two.

Three more to go.

Care to make a more realistic case against me?

[Kirbyoshi]

Nacho, your "case" on Josh is pretty hypocritical. You're saying he hasn't posted, yet the only one who's posted less than you is Snow. Please, if you're going to vote for someone, make sure you're not committing the fault you accuse them of. Thank you.

[Budja]

Demanding content would be better than posts. Josh can spent the most of his posts defending himself. IMO, that whole fuss over the random vote is a bit much.

[Josh Lyman]

Demanding content would be better than posts. Josh can spent the most of his posts defending himself. IMO, that whole fuss over the random vote is a bit much.

I agree, on both points. I promise content tomorrow.

[Manzcar]

MOD - Due to real life personal issues that have arisen I am unable to play for a while therefor I need to be replaced. Sorry for any problems that this causes.

[ZazieR]

My opinion on the bandwagon on semioldguy:

While I like the bandwagon in terms of the pressure it's giving, I can't say I'm a big fan of where the bandwagon's going. So far, the bandwagon on SoG has made everyone focus on his scumminess, leaving the rest of us in the dark. While I see mentions of what seems to be the general opinion right about now, I don't see it being a valid enough reason to put him at L-2, or even a valid enough reason to put my vote on him just yet.

The first vote he places on Zazie looks like a pressure to get him to be active, rather than an attempt to get a lynch. And as for his supposed "hypocrisy"... I view that as an attempt to avoid saying that it's simply a pressure vote; after all, that would entirely remove its potentcy. Notice how he hints this with the phrase "I am a pressure vote guy though...".

Also, I've been a big fan of semioldguy's aggressiveness; let's not forget who brought us out of the RVS, shall we? I'm getting a pro-town read from him simply because he doesn't seem afraid to mention what looks scummy, nor does he seem to tunnel on anyone; when he sees something scummy, he questions it.

As for who I actually find suspicious at this moment, that award falls to Budja. I'm not a big fan of his complete lack of questioning and scumhunting, and his little counting fiasco seemed to me like an attempt to push the Chamber bandwagon over the edge.

And because Im a big fan of encouragement, here's a

Vote: Budja

to help the explanations come faster.

Regarding SoG's votes on me:
-The first vote was indeed stated to be a pressure vote.
-The second vote is the hypocrite vote. How come you didn't include this vote in your analysis of the SoG wagon and what's your opinion of it?

I have one other thing to respond to later on.

[ZazieR]

Also, I've been a big fan of semioldguy's aggressiveness; let's not forget who brought us out of the RVS, shall we? I'm getting a pro-town read from him simply because he doesn't seem afraid to mention what looks scummy, nor does he seem to tunnel on anyone; when he sees something scummy, he questions it.

SoG

, your opinion of this quote please.

[ZazieR]

That was just the very explanation I was looking for.

Unvote: Budja. Vote: Josh Lyman

That vote will not move until I see five posts from him.

That is a good point, I hadn't thought of that. However, it doesn't explain why semioldguy is still voting for Zazie and in fact pushing for his lynch for no good reason.

It seems to me that you have the two confused. SoG may still be voting for Zazie, but he definitely isn't fighting for the lynch. Right now, he seems to be defending himself, which I think he's doing a pretty good job of.

Please elaborate on the part in which you say that that was the explanation you were looking for.

Why Josh and not somebody else?

SoG is going for my lynch.

[ZazieR]

Dear SoG,

Can you please help me? When I thought I found the three scum in you, Pome and Manz, Nacho suddenly decided to act as a possible buddy of yours. Whom of the three is not your buddy?

Please respond asap

Zaz

[ZazieR]

@Josh

What I don't like about your semi-random vote is:
-It was based upon lurking, while the game had started that day.
-You were the 11th player to post. Only Kirby (The one you voted based upon 'lurking') came after you.

Okay, fine. Yes, it was based on lurking,

on the first day.

What is it about 'jokevote' that you don't get? And, yes, everybody else had posted; that's why I singled out Kirby

for not posting.

Can you say "overanalyzing?" I knew you could.

Once again, it's based upon the 'semi-' bit.

[ZazieR]

Demanding content would be better than posts. Josh can spent the most of his posts defending himself. IMO, that whole fuss over the random vote is a bit much.

It's the only thing he has to defend against, which is almost the only thing he does lately though.

[semioldguy]

Hi, SoG

Hi. The answers are there pretty clearly if you look for them (though probably not in that same post). You seem a little over-concerned with this vote on you considering the attention you are giving it despite that it is the only one you've gotten.

SoG

, why nothing against Post 36?

I thought I'd responded to this one in my last big post, but I guess I deleted that part accidentally. What it said was something like "Why would I? He didn't vote for a color being unreadable."

Also, I've been a big fan of semioldguy's aggressiveness; let's not forget who brought us out of the RVS, shall we? I'm getting a pro-town read from him simply because he doesn't seem afraid to mention what looks scummy, nor does he seem to tunnel on anyone; when he sees something scummy, he questions it.

SoG

, your opinion of this quote please.

Looks good to me

[semioldguy]

This is a bad wagon right now. We need to run up a counter wagon to get some responses.

Unvote; Vote: Pomegranate