I just woke up...late night last night.Katsuki wrote:Lets see, we've had 11 confirm, but only 5 post. Where the hell is everyone else??
@UncertainKitten: I agree that it's probably not a good idea to claim game of origin, especially at this time.
I just woke up...late night last night.Katsuki wrote:Lets see, we've had 11 confirm, but only 5 post. Where the hell is everyone else??
Are you worried about him catching you in this game?Coach Travis wrote:Vote:LynchMepls For playing a crucial role in catching me in my first game as scum.
Bolded area is a superfluous qualification of the first clause. Read his posts and look for this type of language; you'll find it in abundance.Coach Travis wrote:Giving you a second vote is hardly bandwagoning, andeither way it's at least as likely for town to bandwagon as it is for scum. The fact you're already so worried about getting lynched you're resorting to an OMGUS vote makes you look worse than you did before.
Coach Travis wrote: Though reading more posts about it I can see how I overreacted a bit, and it's not a scum tell, so I won't just judge him on that.
(Coming back to this in point E.)Coach Travis wrote: Right now I think I'll leave vote on zwet, because I find them equally scummy, so there's no need to change it.
At first I thought this post was aboutCoach Travis wrote:Tanstalus wrote: @everyone, what alignment is most likely to not pay attention to detail in posts?
Townie, because mafia need to pay attention to everything they say, to make sure they don't do something stupid to get caught, so they're focus is a bit more defensive, where townies are more focused catching scum, so they tend not to worry as much about defense.
I think it’s interesting that CT is thinking of being careful not in reading, but in writing, to the point that he misreads the question and responds based on the misread. This misunderstanding of Tans' question is an unusual slip and reveals what CT is being careful about in the game.Tanstalus wrote:If you are town you are scouring everyones posts for the smallest tell.
It looks like he is still going to push the Zwet vote, but is leaving room to—or perhaps preparing to—jump wagons if he needs to do so. Phrasings like “there’s a chance” and “If I wasn’t so convinced…I’d consider voting…” and “anyone I haven’t mentioned” are also suspect. He’s again indicating that we shouldn’t be surprised to see him jump wagons if someone else gets a good wagon going on another player.Coach Travis wrote: Basically, there's a chance [Tans] is fact just a sloppy scum, but right now I don't feel that way and think zwet would be the much better lynch, because he seems more in control of himself, and looks like he's deliberately playing scummy, which I don't like.
I also agree about lurking being a big problem, and if I wasn't so convinced zwet was scum, I'd consider voting MPR as well, just because he needs to contribute something soon. In other news, I'm liking Dekes so far, so there's someone else I could add to my list of town reads. Right now my only strong scum read is zwet, but I'm not liking the inaction from MPR, and anyone I haven't mentioned could potentially be scum, but I still haven't had enough time to look into them.
This still looks like he’s balancing between two people who are receiving negative attention right now, which again indicates he’s looking for the best wagon.Coach Travis wrote:And yeah, I get that zwet may be similar in his other games, but just in general the way he comes off I'm not liking at all, and with that type of player I'd always prefer to have them lynched because even if he's town I'm not finding him terribly helpful, and so far he's done nothing to make me think he's town. I've never got the point of playing mafia if you're going to be that deliberately unhelpful. MPR's fishing is getting ridiculous though, so I'm also suspicious of him.
It isn't that it's false, just that it's a very self-protective comment. No one would have questioned you saying "Giving you a second vote is hardly bandwagoning," so it feels like the extra comment about it being just as viable a town tell as a scum tell feels like you are trying to cover all the bases in case you get called on it.Coach Travis wrote:I seriously don't get what's wrong with that post. From experience I know town are as likely to bandwagon as scum, I've seen it happen so many times where a bandwagon is almost all townies. Nothing I said there was false, or unnecessary.jenniwren wrote:A)The way he responds to Zwet’s first vote on him is, in tone,a lot more serious than required.Bolded area is a superfluous qualification of the first clause. Read his posts and look for this type of language; you'll find it in abundance.Coach Travis wrote:Giving you a second vote is hardly bandwagoning, andeither way it's at least as likely for town to bandwagon as it is for scum. The fact you're already so worried about getting lynched you're resorting to an OMGUS vote makes you look worse than you did before.
Again, it's not that what you're saying is wrong or doesn't make sense, but that it is worded so as to give you as much leeway as possible.Coach Travis wrote:Once again, nothing there that doesn't make sense. I already explained the thing with zwet's fake claim, and never seeing anything like that before on day 1. Of course I was going to feel strange about it at first, but once people explained how it's just a normal thing he liked to do, I realized I was wrong. And in this case, it was fine to leave my vote on zwet because both of them were still getting some suspicion, so even if tans was getting a bit more attention, it made sense to me to just keep the vote where it was.jenniwren wrote:His analysis of Zwet in Post #148 is also full of qualifying information; he retracts his accusations about the BW being scummy, because of what other people say about it and about his reaction.Coach Travis wrote: Though reading more posts about it I can see how I overreacted a bit, and it's not a scum tell, so I won't just judge him on that.C)Also in Post #148, he suggests Tans and Zwet are scumbuddies who are distancing. He then says(Coming back to this in point E.)Coach Travis wrote: Right now I think I'll leave vote on zwet, because I find them equally scummy, so there's no need to change it.
Or maybe he didn't do anything?Coach Travis wrote:Surprised I'm still alive, guess the scum figure I'm still too suspicious to kill off. Anyway, more bad news:I tried tracking zwet, but was unable to determine anything. So either he's immune, or I got blocked. Either way, it's not good. Seeing as MPR was town, I may have to reconsider some things, but I'm still not liking zwet all, so he's currently back to being my top suspect.
If this works like any other block, then that would mean that he was just blocked in general, and whomever he tracked is inconsequential.Katsuki wrote:I have never ever heard of track immunity before. So for me, either he got blocked, or he is lying about being blocked.
I think you're wrong about that. A cop with a guilty verdict is better off trying to get that person lynched without claiming right away so that he can live through another night. When it looked like people were not going to pay attention to you, that's when he did claim...because heCoach Travis wrote:Oh, wow! People actually believe that claim with all the blatant lying he's done this game? This is just ridiculous, and makes me further convinced he's scum, clearly playing off the fact that my ability failed on me, so I couldn't figure him out. I doubt he even targeted me, to be honest. If he was really a cop with a guilty, he would have brought this up the instant the day started, or at least as soon as I mentioned what happened, he wouldn't have waited until people were generally convinced to ignore me for the day. This just seems like scum wanting to remove someone they find an annoyance.Vote:zwet
Coach Travis wrote:I can understand not wanting to lynch a claimed cop I guess, even though I don't believe in the claim in the least bit, because it's impossible to get a straight up scum read on me, I'm not a miller or anything like that. Until I can indisputably prove otherwise, I'm willing to at least consider that maybe he is a cop, and the mafia did something to make the investigation turn up that way, maybe did something to me so I'd turn up scum on an investigation, I know a power like that is not unheard of(I had it in my scum game).
Because I don't want to die, I propose a way out of this, so neither of us need to be lynched:I target him again tomorrow, and if he's still alive I wait until he reveals his investigation target and their alignment, then if my power actually works, I can confirm or deny his targeting that person. If it goes through and he targets no one and is alive, I assume he was blocked, and could be a cop, same thing for if we name the same person. If I get a different name than he lists, we can assume my first guess was right and he's lying. I'd much rather do this than have either of us lynched for now, since I know I'm town.
So, going with that, I'llunvoteVote:Mcgriddlebecause he was my next suspect after zwet, and he too has contributed pretty much nothing to this game.
Read the theories CT has posted about why Zwet may have gotten a guilty verdict. This is one of them.tanstalas wrote:And what do you mean about given a false alignment by the mafia? Do you mean that the mafia may have switched him as well thinking that a cop would investigate the "outed power role"?
Uh-huh. This is a pretty brazen comment to make since you think CT is still the best choice of the day.tanstalas wrote:This is all a big theory, however if I was mafia and we had a bus driver AND a RB I think I would have done the exact same thing. RB the tracker and swap him with a scum buddy while killing another person hoping to get a doc or cop.
No. I want to hear from more people. I JUST said that in my last post.tanstalas wrote:The tone I am getting from you indicates you would rather lynch him without letting everyone weigh in on what has happened.
jenniwren wrote:I'd love to hear from more people now.
Lol, you were in a game with someone I know (Newbie 995), and you seemed to be playing similarly. I couldn't hide behind Zwet because I figured he might be vig killed, and I didn't want to hide behind Dekes, because I figured he was way too obv-town to live. I didn't have a good read on SpyreX, and I had a slight scummy vibe from LMP and VV. I didn't know what would happen if I hid behind Tans, and McGriddle was seeming pretty scummy, so...yeah, lol. I took a chance on you. I had a gut feeling after I sent in the pm that I should see if KDub would let me change it, but I convinced myself it would be okay. Never, ever, ever going against a gut feeling EVER again. Good job, though...seriously.Katsuki wrote:Well
Why me anyways?