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I have a question about bargain phase rule 7.
7) Players are only allowed to be involved in one completed bargain per phase.
Does this mean we are allowed to bargain as much as we want during the phase, but are allowed only one completed bargain per phase, or are we only allowed to bargain one-at-a-time until fall-through or deal completion?-
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Scum can bid on pro-town items just to jack the price up. If they win, they are stuck with something useless, but if we win it makes it costly.
We can bid on pro-scum items to jack the price up, but the primary problem is it's 60points vs 20 points vs 20 points vs 20 points vs 20 points vs 20 points vs 20 points vs 20 points vs 20 points vs 20 points, thus causing the difficulty.
We can probably plan a course of action, but part of it requires knowledge of whether or not scum have an Independent NK or if they have to buy it.-
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@Magua- Yeah, taken together they may be, but it's not a comprehensive case building up to a vote, it's the sum of each thing taking individually. And also because there was no RVS.
I'm torn on the whole claiming thing. We don't know if scum has a NK or had to buy it, and anything we plan will also be directed by scum if made public.
The only real claim that makes sense for town is the night kills, so we can distinguish if it's the only one, and, if not, who the vig target is compared to the mafia target. And as long as you don't block the vig, we should know by tomorrow.
@Lurc- Would scum rather kill Magua the roleblcoker with 14 points, or hiplop with 20 points? From what you've said twice, they always want to kill the highest point total. Why would they ignore a power role to do so?-
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@Magua- I think only the NKs should claim, and that town should direct them.
Unvote.
hiplop- null
Lurconis- town
uncledaphne- town
sorgster- town
SodaSpirit17- town
KlazamBV310- null
VoidedMafia- null
Empking- null
PeregrineV -town
Mego - seems town, gut says otherwise
DeathRowKitty- town
MorthasThemarshallShanba- null
Magua- town
this is where I'm feeling now, combination of meta, gut and current play.
Re: Uncle voters- So the thinking is that not only will scum spend 25% of their points on a NK, that they would also announce it?
Not to mention the fact it is public knowledge, so we can direct it for tonight.
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In post 213, Mego wrote:In post 212, uncledaphne wrote:*sigh*Vote:MegoFor not doing anything more than attack me for being stupid. Not caring about my ability. It just seems like he looked at me and said, easy target lets go.
I do care about the fact that you used 75% of your points on a 100% nightkill. That's one of the main reasons I, as well as several others, am voting you.
Also, let's think logically for a moment. I started a wagon on the person with the fewest points left. In the scenario where I was scum and you were town (which is not what is actually happening here), would it make any sense for me to want you lynched? As scum, I would be going after the player with the most amount of points. Granted, you are a bit of an easy target, but scum would jump on your wagon later rather than leading it.
Bear in mind that being an easy target does not automatically excuse you from being scummy and anti-town.
It just occurred to me that by "ability" you may have been referring to your playing ability, which so far appears to be non-existent.
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@Magua- Scum has an 10% chance of roleblocking a town-bought power if you hadn't claimed (and assuming your town).
You have a 8.25% chance of blocking the NK, assuming they get a free one.
Any redirection has the same chance of redirecting a free NK anywhere.
If we decide to do claims, it should probably be during the bargain phase, since where things are now might not be where they end up.-
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In post 239, uncledaphne wrote:Ah yes, and I also have the doc.
OK, first, LMAO.
Second, why would you do that, when you can only use one ability a night (yes, this is an assumption based on all games with multiple abilities)?
Third, why claim it? I don't think you can doc yourself.
pedit:
In post 0, Thestatusquo wrote:5) You may bid on, and win, as many abilities as you would like to spend points on.-
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In post 283, Magua wrote:In post 280, Shanba wrote:I'm more concerned with why you would buy either of them at all.
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So the scum don't have them. Seemed obvious to me.
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Well, in effect that is a non-answer. Or, I should say, it's the generic answer you would give regardless of alignment.
If you have a town plan for it's use, you don't want to give it away.
If your scum, you wouldn't admit it anyway.
So, neutral face because while I would like more info, you really can't, won't or shouldn't give any more.
Also, if Uncle weren't being such a derp, that would be his same excuse for buying both NK and doc.-
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Protect: -claimed by Uncle
Role Block -claimed by Magua
Nightkill: (100%) claimed by Uncle
What we really need is Uncle to play a normal game and discuss his possible use of the abilities. Otherwise, it makes more sense to lynch him so the "hard" NK is controlled, even at the loss of the doc.
But we need his input now, because if we can get him to sell the NK or not use it or use as directed, then we don't want to lynch him.
I'm not sure if the "soft" NK should claim. If it's in town hands we could ask they refrain from using it tonight. If in scum hands, it doesn't matter what we want.
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In post 68, Thestatusquo wrote:Current bids:
Night Kill 100%: 15 points
Investigate 100%: 6 points
Protect: 5 points
50% investigate: 4 points.
Phase ends in (expired on 2011-09-27 09:47:00)
You did, and you're probably right, but you first brought it up after half the stuff was already bidded on.
Do we want to try that for tomorrow?-
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In post 326, Thestatusquo wrote:Please read my post and the rules of the game. Every question you just asked is explained already.
Fair enough, but wanted to check first.
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Claiming Bus driver, roleblock and 25% nightkill won in most recent auction. Almost had the regular NK too, but too expensive.
Mighty confused how Sorgster goes from a suspect that people are hesitant to vote, to Soda being scum and tagging 1-2-3 votes in a row.
@Grey, bv310- So is Sorgster scum? You both believe so because you voted him based on the roleblock being used on him. But you want to give him a "pass" because he has the night investigation? If he's scum his results are useless. Your reason stinks, badly.
Vote: GreyIce
FoS: bv310
@hiplop- sheeping? Just like you did one page ago, in post 365?
FoS: Hiplop-
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In post 397, sorgster wrote:In post 339, SodaSpirit17 wrote:Alright, my 50% investigate actually worked!
bv is townguys. Unless if he's likegodfatheror some shit.
1.Why are people voting bv after these results?
2.Why does godfather come up into your head sodaspirit? It is a small game, I doubt there would be a godfather.
In post 391, GreyICE wrote:In post 375, SodaSpirit17 wrote:sorg is pretty much always awful (sorry) this isn't a scum-tell
and there was a death last night, so i dont see how sorgster being roleblocked makes him scum.
I think grey (UD) bought the 100NK. idt he bought doctor or bus.
Isssss it just me or does this guy kinda have to be scum?
Ain't no way he's flipping town.
Vote: SodaSpirit17
Sorg's bought himself a phase with that investigation, so we give it to him.
@Sorgster- 1. If Soda is scum as indicated by greyIce, his results are invalid.
2. I've seen them in minis before. Maybe a balance to all the town points they have to buy investigate.
@Hiplop- yeah but twice in a row with less than no reason is just about crossing the border from lazy to scummy, knowwutimean?-
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In post 412, Magua wrote:Sorgster wrote:who were x and y? Can you please say that?
I see zero reason to say that at this time.
With the roleblocker unclaimed, it's safe to assume it's in scum hands. In order to prevent "guys, I was roleblocked!" tomorrow, Sorgster should trade the 100% investigation to someone in the bargain phase. I'm ok with not lynching him today if he agrees with this.
Roleblocker claim
In post 412, Magua wrote:If someone claims the roleblocker, then Sorgster should give the 100% Investigation to bv310.
Roleblocker claim
In post 412, Magua wrote:Peregrine and Lurconis both just don't seem to even be bothering to play, which is really throwing me off. I can understand being suspicious of bv310, but to FoS him/vote him the page after someone outs an inno report on him, without mentioning the report at all, is just...yeah.
Odd, becuase I claimed three of the powers sold at auction, then pointed out where three players all posted consecutively after one another, TWICE, while at the same time all three voting for the same person, BOTH TIMES.
@hiplop- The case on both players both times?-
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@Grey- Since you did replace in for the megascummy UncleDaphne, he claimed about 6 different things. Did he win anything other than the NK? If so, who were your targets?
Not seeing the Godfather role being part of the setup. Scum can make themselves "investigation immune" by buying the investigation role. Giving them an "add-on" doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
I am really conflicted about the Sorgster lynch. On the one hand it would verify the existence of the factional scumkill. On the other hand, if he turns up town we have no fallback plan.
And I feel like some people are missing. Who have we not heard from in a while?-
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In post 488, GreyICE wrote:Okay, so Sorgster trades it to Magua with the condition Magua uses it on whoever this mysterious X is, and we're done.
Unvote
Vote: PeregrineV
Yoooooouuuu've done nooooooottthing.
And that's by your normal standards of posting.
Just as long as it's not OMGUS voting, since I'm currently voting you from post 394.
Did you respond to it in a manner that I missed that helped explain your behavior?-
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@GreyIce- part of it was your ability to have any answers whatsoever to Sorgsters hypotheticals.
In post 356, GreyICE wrote:In post 353, sorgster wrote:In post 349, Magua wrote:That's all I wanted to know.
sorgster is mafia then. He was roleblocked last Night.
1. There are more than one scum. More than any one of them could have done the killing action.
2. Scum may need to be able to buy the powerups to use the actions.
3.Scum could have targeted empking as well.
4.Scum could have attacked whoever bought bulletproof.
5.Who was protected by the protect action? They could have been a target.
1) -_-
2) Unlikely given setup
3) No
4) No
5) Emphatically not
Scumclaim, lynch.
Specifically 4 and 5. You claimed to have nothing else, yet you know protect was not used? Stuff like that where you "know" and I don't know, I need explained to me. Otherwise, I feel you have inside knowledge (ie scum).-
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In post 520, GreyICE wrote:Isn't this a completely different reason than the first reason you voted for me?
It's actually a combination.-
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In post 527, GreyICE wrote:I'm actually kind of curious right now, as the originator of those questions Sorgster
Can you think of any?
In post 526, sorgster wrote:and the answer is?
@Sorgster- I think this was directed to you.
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In post 519, PeregrineV wrote:@GreyIce- part of it was your ability to have any answers whatsoever to Sorgsters hypotheticals.
In post 356, GreyICE wrote:In post 353, sorgster wrote:In post 349, Magua wrote:That's all I wanted to know.
sorgster is mafia then. He was roleblocked last Night.
1. There are more than one scum. More than any one of them could have done the killing action.
2. Scum may need to be able to buy the powerups to use the actions.
3.Scum could have targeted empking as well.
4.Scum could have attacked whoever bought bulletproof.
5.Who was protected by the protect action? They could have been a target.
1) -_-
2) Unlikely given setup
3) No
4) No
5) Emphatically not
Scumclaim, lynch.
Specifically 4 and 5. You claimed to have nothing else, yet you know protect was not used? Stuff like that where you "know" and I don't know, I need explained to me. Otherwise, I feel you have inside knowledge (ie scum).
In post 523, GreyICE wrote:In post 521, sorgster wrote:Someone could have more than one reason for voting someone.
I'm curious why you're asking me about this now, two weeks after I posted that.
I'll happily explain, but it's... odd timing... to say the least.
In post 524, sorgster wrote:Regardless of how strange the timing is , can you answer peregrine's question?
In post 525, GreyICE wrote:Yes
In post 526, sorgster wrote:and the answer is?
In post 527, GreyICE wrote:I'm actually kind of curious right now, as the originator of those questions Sorgster
Can you think of any?
In post 529, sorgster wrote:What's the question? I've been completely confused.-
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In post 532, sorgster wrote:Going to say the answer is no and peregrine was the originator of those questions.
In post 353, sorgster wrote:In post 349, Magua wrote:That's all I wanted to know.
sorgster is mafia then. He was roleblocked last Night.
1. There are more than one scum. More than any one of them could have done the killing action.
2. Scum may need to be able to buy the powerups to use the actions.
3.Scum could have targeted empking as well.
4.Scum could have attacked whoever bought bulletproof.
5.Who was protected by the protect action? They could have been a target.-
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In post 534, sorgster wrote:Those are statements not questions. I have no idea what the answrr to who was protected by the protect action is.
Right, but those statements are the answers to which GreyIce is Supplying, and asking you, Sorgster, why do you think he gave the answers he gave?
In post 356, GreyICE wrote:In post 353, sorgster wrote:In post 349, Magua wrote:That's all I wanted to know.
sorgster is mafia then. He was roleblocked last Night.
1. There are more than one scum. More than any one of them could have done the killing action.
2. Scum may need to be able to buy the powerups to use the actions.
3.Scum could have targeted empking as well.
4.Scum could have attacked whoever bought bulletproof.
5.Who was protected by the protect action? They could have been a target.
1) -_-
2) Unlikely given setup
3) No
4) No
5) Emphatically not-
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In post 527, GreyICE wrote:I'm actually kind of curious right now, as the originator of those questions Sorgster
Can you think of any?
In post 536, sorgster wrote:I don't know.
Question from Grey to Sorg.
Answer from Sorg to Grey.
Which takes us back to the original conversation:
In post 523, GreyICE wrote:In post 521, sorgster wrote:Someone could have more than one reason for voting someone.
I'm curious why you're asking me about this now, two weeks after I posted that.
I'll happily explain, but it's... odd timing... to say the least.
In post 524, sorgster wrote:Regardless of how strange the timing is , can you answer peregrine's question?
In post 525, GreyICE wrote:Yes
In post 526, sorgster wrote:and the answer is?-
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In post 539, sorgster wrote:In post 0, Thestatusquo wrote:Auction Mafia
6) All abilities areonlyusable for the night phase they are purchased for, unless otherwise stated.
@5)No one claimed the protect or how bus drive was used so my defence stays the same.
Now you are saying the mafia bought protect and protected their own NK from themselves, or town bought protect and protected the NK, but doesn't want to tell anyone. Why would they not want to tell anyone?
Bus drive WAS NOT directed to EmpKing, and it's target is still alive, so that doesn't work.-
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