Mini 1247- Auction Mafia: Abandoned

[PeregrineV]

/confirm

[PeregrineV]

I have a question about bargain phase rule 7.

7) Players are only allowed to be involved in one completed bargain per phase.

Does this mean we are allowed to bargain as much as we want during the phase, but are allowed only one completed bargain per phase, or are we only allowed to bargain one-at-a-time until fall-through or deal completion?

[PeregrineV]

Scum can bid on pro-town items just to jack the price up. If they win, they are stuck with something useless, but if we win it makes it costly.

We can bid on pro-scum items to jack the price up, but the primary problem is it's 60points vs 20 points vs 20 points vs 20 points vs 20 points vs 20 points vs 20 points vs 20 points vs 20 points vs 20 points, thus causing the difficulty.

We can probably plan a course of action, but part of it requires knowledge of whether or not scum have an Independent NK or if they have to buy it.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Magua

1. Bid on roleblock, and said he would explain why after the auction, no explanation yet.
2. Admitted to winning, thus outing himself as a power role.
3. Found bv310 scummy from a single post, but no clear explanation of why.

[PeregrineV]

@Magua- Yeah, taken together they may be, but it's not a comprehensive case building up to a vote, it's the sum of each thing taking individually. And also because there was no RVS.
I'm torn on the whole claiming thing. We don't know if scum has a NK or had to buy it, and anything we plan will also be directed by scum if made public.

The only real claim that makes sense for town is the night kills, so we can distinguish if it's the only one, and, if not, who the vig target is compared to the mafia target. And as long as you don't block the vig, we should know by tomorrow.

@Lurc- Would scum rather kill Magua the roleblcoker with 14 points, or hiplop with 20 points? From what you've said twice, they always want to kill the highest point total. Why would they ignore a power role to do so?

[PeregrineV]

@Magua- I think only the NKs should claim, and that town should direct them.

Unvote.

hiplop- null
Lurconis- town
uncledaphne- town
sorgster- town
SodaSpirit17- town
KlazamBV310- null
VoidedMafia- null
Empking- null
PeregrineV -town
Mego - seems town, gut says otherwise
DeathRowKitty- town
MorthasThemarshallShanba- null
Magua- town

this is where I'm feeling now, combination of meta, gut and current play.

Re: Uncle voters- So the thinking is that not only will scum spend 25% of their points on a NK, that they would also announce it?
Not to mention the fact it is public knowledge, so we can direct it for tonight.

Vote: Mego

(I'll go find the post)

[PeregrineV]

*sigh*

Vote:Mego

For not doing anything more than attack me for being stupid. Not caring about my ability. It just seems like he looked at me and said, easy target lets go.

I do care about the fact that you used 75% of your points on a 100% nightkill. That's one of the main reasons I, as well as several others, am voting you.

Also, let's think logically for a moment. I started a wagon on the person with the fewest points left. In the scenario where I was scum and you were town (which is not what is actually happening here), would it make any sense for me to want you lynched? As scum, I would be going after the player with the most amount of points. Granted, you are a bit of an easy target, but scum would jump on your wagon later rather than leading it.

Bear in mind that being an easy target does not automatically excuse you from being scummy and anti-town.

It just occurred to me that by "ability" you may have been referring to your playing ability, which so far appears to be non-existent.

This post.

[PeregrineV]

@Magua- Scum has an 10% chance of roleblocking a town-bought power if you hadn't claimed (and assuming your town).
You have a 8.25% chance of blocking the NK, assuming they get a free one.
Any redirection has the same chance of redirecting a free NK anywhere.

If we decide to do claims, it should probably be during the bargain phase, since where things are now might not be where they end up.

[PeregrineV]

Ah yes, and I also have the doc.

OK, first, LMAO.

Second, why would you do that, when you can only use one ability a night (yes, this is an assumption based on all games with multiple abilities)?

Third, why claim it? I don't think you can doc yourself.

pedit:

5) You may bid on, and win, as many abilities as you would like to spend points on.

[PeregrineV]

I'm more concerned with why you would buy either of them at all.

...

So the scum don't have them. Seemed obvious to me.

[PeregrineV]

Elaborate.

Well, in effect that is a non-answer. Or, I should say, it's the generic answer you would give regardless of alignment.
If you have a town plan for it's use, you don't want to give it away.
If your scum, you wouldn't admit it anyway.

So, neutral face because while I would like more info, you really can't, won't or shouldn't give any more.

Also, if Uncle weren't being such a derp, that would be his same excuse for buying both NK and doc.

[PeregrineV]

Protect: -claimed by Uncle
Role Block -claimed by Magua
Nightkill: (100%) claimed by Uncle

What we really need is Uncle to play a normal game and discuss his possible use of the abilities. Otherwise, it makes more sense to lynch him so the "hard" NK is controlled, even at the loss of the doc.

But we need his input now, because if we can get him to sell the NK or not use it or use as directed, then we don't want to lynch him.

I'm not sure if the "soft" NK should claim. If it's in town hands we could ask they refrain from using it tonight. If in scum hands, it doesn't matter what we want.

@Uncle- Your real thoughts in a participatory manner, please.

[PeregrineV]

Current bids:

Night Kill 100%: 15 points
Investigate 100%: 6 points
Protect: 5 points
50% investigate: 4 points.

Phase ends in (expired on 2011-09-27 09:47:00)

I did say don't bid on that shit. I wasn't joking :/

You did, and you're probably right, but you first brought it up after half the stuff was already bidded on.

Do we want to try that for tomorrow?

[PeregrineV]

@Magua- Will the mod replace a player at the request of other players? Otherwise, you may be right about Uncle, but I also think he feeds off of the attacks on him to dumb it up, so to speak.

I don't have to tell you the problems with the claiming the 25% NK, do I?

[PeregrineV]

So are we in Bargain phase? And how much longer does it last? Not sending any PMs until confirmed Bargain phase.

[PeregrineV]

Please read my post and the rules of the game. Every question you just asked is explained already.

Fair enough, but wanted to check first.

Completely unofficial
(expired on 2011-09-30 21:26:00)

[PeregrineV]

Are we organizing this time, or is it going to just be will-nilly again?

Do we claim or night actions and targets?

If so, I think random order would be best.

[PeregrineV]

@IceyGuy- Claim please, abilities from yesterday and the targets.

Was there a 100% investigate from yesterday? Did anyone get/use it?

[PeregrineV]

I used busdriver last night and re-directed actions on Magua to another player.

[PeregrineV]

Claiming Bus driver, roleblock and 25% nightkill won in most recent auction. Almost had the regular NK too, but too expensive.

Mighty confused how Sorgster goes from a suspect that people are hesitant to vote, to Soda being scum and tagging 1-2-3 votes in a row.

@Grey, bv310- So is Sorgster scum? You both believe so because you voted him based on the roleblock being used on him. But you want to give him a "pass" because he has the night investigation? If he's scum his results are useless. Your reason stinks, badly.

Vote: GreyIce

FoS: bv310

@hiplop- sheeping? Just like you did one page ago, in post 365?

FoS: Hiplop

[PeregrineV]

Alright, my 50% investigate actually worked!

bv is town

guys. Unless if he's like

godfather

or some shit.

1.Why are people voting bv after these results?
2.Why does godfather come up into your head sodaspirit? It is a small game, I doubt there would be a godfather.

sorg is pretty much always awful (sorry) this isn't a scum-tell
and there was a death last night, so i dont see how sorgster being roleblocked makes him scum.
I think grey (UD) bought the 100NK. idt he bought doctor or bus.

Isssss it just me or does this guy kinda have to be scum?

Ain't no way he's flipping town.

Vote: SodaSpirit17

Sorg's bought himself a phase with that investigation, so we give it to him.

@Sorgster- 1. If Soda is scum as indicated by greyIce, his results are invalid.
2. I've seen them in minis before. Maybe a balance to all the town points they have to buy investigate.

@Hiplop- yeah but twice in a row with less than no reason is just about crossing the border from lazy to scummy, knowwutimean?

[PeregrineV]

who were x and y? Can you please say that?

I see zero reason to say that at this time.

With the roleblocker unclaimed, it's safe to assume it's in scum hands. In order to prevent "guys, I was roleblocked!" tomorrow, Sorgster should trade the 100% investigation to someone in the bargain phase. I'm ok with not lynching him today if he agrees with this.

Roleblocker claim

If someone claims the roleblocker, then Sorgster should give the 100% Investigation to bv310.

Roleblocker claim

Peregrine and Lurconis both just don't seem to even be bothering to play, which is really throwing me off. I can understand being suspicious of bv310, but to FoS him/vote him the page after someone outs an inno report on him, without mentioning the report at all, is just...yeah.

Odd, becuase I claimed three of the powers sold at auction, then pointed out where three players all posted consecutively after one another, TWICE, while at the same time all three voting for the same person, BOTH TIMES.

@hiplop- The case on both players both times?

[PeregrineV]

@Grey- Since you did replace in for the megascummy UncleDaphne, he claimed about 6 different things. Did he win anything other than the NK? If so, who were your targets?

Not seeing the Godfather role being part of the setup. Scum can make themselves "investigation immune" by buying the investigation role. Giving them an "add-on" doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I am really conflicted about the Sorgster lynch. On the one hand it would verify the existence of the factional scumkill. On the other hand, if he turns up town we have no fallback plan.

And I feel like some people are missing. Who have we not heard from in a while?

[PeregrineV]

@Sorgster- should you flip town, who should we look at to be scum?

[PeregrineV]

Okay, so Sorgster trades it to Magua with the condition Magua uses it on whoever this mysterious X is, and we're done.

Unvote

Vote: PeregrineV

Yoooooouuuu've done nooooooottthing.

And that's by your normal standards of posting.

Just as long as it's not OMGUS voting, since I'm currently voting you from post 394.

Did you respond to it in a manner that I missed that helped explain your behavior?

[PeregrineV]

@GreyIce- part of it was your ability to have any answers whatsoever to Sorgsters hypotheticals.

That's all I wanted to know.

sorgster is mafia then. He was roleblocked last Night.

1. There are more than one scum. More than any one of them could have done the killing action.
2. Scum may need to be able to buy the powerups to use the actions.
3.Scum could have targeted empking as well.
4.Scum could have attacked whoever bought bulletproof.
5.Who was protected by the protect action? They could have been a target.

1) -_-
2) Unlikely given setup
3) No
4) No
5) Emphatically not

Scumclaim, lynch.

Specifically 4 and 5. You claimed to have nothing else, yet you know protect was not used? Stuff like that where you "know" and I don't know, I need explained to me. Otherwise, I feel you have inside knowledge (ie scum).

[PeregrineV]

Isn't this a completely different reason than the first reason you voted for me?

It's actually a combination.

[PeregrineV]

I'm actually kind of curious right now, as the originator of those questions Sorgster

Can you think of any?

and the answer is?

@Sorgster- I think this was directed to you.

@Mod- When does day2 end?

[PeregrineV]

@GreyIce- part of it was your ability to have any answers whatsoever to Sorgsters hypotheticals.

That's all I wanted to know.

sorgster is mafia then. He was roleblocked last Night.

1. There are more than one scum. More than any one of them could have done the killing action.
2. Scum may need to be able to buy the powerups to use the actions.
3.Scum could have targeted empking as well.
4.Scum could have attacked whoever bought bulletproof.
5.Who was protected by the protect action? They could have been a target.

1) -_-
2) Unlikely given setup
3) No
4) No
5) Emphatically not

Scumclaim, lynch.

Specifically 4 and 5. You claimed to have nothing else, yet you know protect was not used? Stuff like that where you "know" and I don't know, I need explained to me. Otherwise, I feel you have inside knowledge (ie scum).

Someone could have more than one reason for voting someone.

I'm curious why you're asking me about this now, two weeks after I posted that.

I'll happily explain, but it's... odd timing... to say the least.

Regardless of how strange the timing is , can you answer peregrine's question?

Yes

and the answer is?

I'm actually kind of curious right now, as the originator of those questions Sorgster

Can you think of any?

What's the question? I've been completely confused.

[PeregrineV]

Going to say the answer is no and peregrine was the originator of those questions.

That's all I wanted to know.

sorgster is mafia then. He was roleblocked last Night.

1. There are more than one scum. More than any one of them could have done the killing action.
2. Scum may need to be able to buy the powerups to use the actions.
3.Scum could have targeted empking as well.
4.Scum could have attacked whoever bought bulletproof.
5.Who was protected by the protect action? They could have been a target.

[PeregrineV]

Those are statements not questions. I have no idea what the answrr to who was protected by the protect action is.

Right, but those statements are the answers to which GreyIce is Supplying, and asking you, Sorgster, why do you think he gave the answers he gave?

That's all I wanted to know.

sorgster is mafia then. He was roleblocked last Night.

1. There are more than one scum. More than any one of them could have done the killing action.
2. Scum may need to be able to buy the powerups to use the actions.
3.Scum could have targeted empking as well.
4.Scum could have attacked whoever bought bulletproof.
5.Who was protected by the protect action? They could have been a target.

1) -_-
2) Unlikely given setup
3) No
4) No
5) Emphatically not

[PeregrineV]

I'm actually kind of curious right now, as the originator of those questions Sorgster

Can you think of any?

I don't know.

Question from Grey to Sorg.
Answer from Sorg to Grey.

Which takes us back to the original conversation:

Someone could have more than one reason for voting someone.

I'm curious why you're asking me about this now, two weeks after I posted that.

I'll happily explain, but it's... odd timing... to say the least.

Regardless of how strange the timing is , can you answer peregrine's question?

Yes

and the answer is?

[PeregrineV]

Auction Mafia

6) All abilities are

only

usable for the night phase they are purchased for, unless otherwise stated.

@5)No one claimed the protect or how bus drive was used so my defence stays the same.

Now you are saying the mafia bought protect and protected their own NK from themselves, or town bought protect and protected the NK, but doesn't want to tell anyone. Why would they not want to tell anyone?

Bus drive WAS NOT directed to EmpKing, and it's target is still alive, so that doesn't work.

[PeregrineV]

Unofficial VC


SodaSpirit17 (4): Lurconis, hiplop, Voidedmafia, sorgster
Sorgster (1): bv310
GreyICE (1): PeregrineV
Voidedmafia (1): Shanba
PeregrineV (1): GreyICE
DeathRowKitty (1): SodaSpirit17

Not voting (1): DeathRowKitty, Magua

[PeregrineV]

Any word on the mod?

[PeregrineV]

@Magua- If it was any consolation, I was going to 25% NK on you tonight.

Scum was Magua, DeathRowKitty, and Lurconis.